More bad press coming to the sport

[scottya]

First off who ever it was in NSW to give my number out to the local paper can you stop doing it thanks

Now here is the story
Was at Rising press meeting today & get a phone call from a local paper in Sydney
Asking for fight photos of a fighter (wont name them)

Story is he use to be a fighter now gone down a different path & got him self in trouble with the law

And they wanted to pay good money for a photo of him fighting
which this guy was quick to say there were a few people from in Sydney that said to ring me for a pic ?

Got chatting with this guy ask for more info on the story
Which he said he wasnt going to bring up his past about fighting
So i asked him why he wanted the photo but couldnt answer

Got chating a bit more & asked has he every been to a show talked to a figher,trainer or even fan
To which he told me "no dont know nothing about the sport & never seen a show"

Then asked him again if he dosent know about the sport why would you want a photo of this fighter fighting ?
Still wouldnt answer

Then he tryed to put it back onto me why i wouldnt give a photo & why i am sticking up for this fighter

Dont think he like my answer cos i told him your going to write a story on this guy bring it back on the sport & trash talk it when you know nothing about it

He soon hung up :D


So what i can work out the story will be run in the next few days in the local paper in Sydney

Should be a nice read since he knows nothing about the sport

*end of rant*

[witt]

nice work Scottya.. What was the writer of the stories name?

in peoples defence, theyre probably just giving your number out because thats your business so just helping you make coin. guess they know now you dont deal with papers :P

[Sonic]

Scotty, who ever gave out your number could have just been trying to do you a favour and might not have neceserilly known the story behind it so you should welcome your number being handed out. You could of just said no sorry mate, instead of maybe being construed as showing the sport in a bad light by being defensive.

The guy's only doing his job and the next time he might ring you for a photo because he wants to promote our sport in good light, look upon it as a good thing your number's getting out there, word of mouth is how good business works.

[Bushi]

Might have been one of the promoters that uses you, by popular demand..;)

[witt]

quote:Originally posted by Sonic

Scotty, who ever gave out your number could have just been trying to do you a favour and might not have neceserilly known the story behind it so you should welcome your number being handed out. You could of just said no sorry mate, instead of maybe being construed as showing the sport in a bad light by being defensive.

The guy's only doing his job and the next time he might ring you for a photo because he wants to promote our sport in good light, look upon it as a good thing your number's getting out there, word of mouth is how good business works.


Unfortunately the guy's job is being a blood sucking Pariah. It's going to do more damage to the sport by having a fighter with a bad story plastered over the newspapers than if someone refuses to help the journalist do it on principle.

[kathy]

The story will still go ahead with or without an image.
I admire your principles though.

[Sonic]

quote:Originally posted by witt

quote:Originally posted by Sonic

Scotty, who ever gave out your number could have just been trying to do you a favour and might not have neceserilly known the story behind it so you should welcome your number being handed out. You could of just said no sorry mate, instead of maybe being construed as showing the sport in a bad light by being defensive.

The guy's only doing his job and the next time he might ring you for a photo because he wants to promote our sport in good light, look upon it as a good thing your number's getting out there, word of mouth is how good business works.


Unfortunately the guy's job is being a blood sucking Pariah. It's going to do more damage to the sport by having a fighter with a bad story plastered over the newspapers than if someone refuses to help the journalist do it on principle.


I know what you mean but journalist's (and i'm not one btw) do a lot of good work as well, it's not all negative, that's like saying all cops are corrupt pigs.

And what do you mean damage to the sport what damage can that do? There are bad apples in every sport/profession and your average joe realizes this.

[scottya]

They can run the story but i wouldnt ever hand over a photo to a story like this
Even when fighters ask for photos to go in there local paper i make sure i know what the story is about before i hand them over

Last time someone named me to have taken a photo of some thing i was lucky enough to spend 6 hours in a cop shop while they looked at just about 500gig of photos
Thats why i dont like been named for a photo when it comes to the law

[Voice]

so let me get this right...you are happy to make posts saying people have done illegal things, comment on some members having sex with other members of their own family, even try to get people fired, yet you won't sell a photo which you own copyright on...lmao.:D

I'm just kidding Scotty, even Hitler had some principles, I'm sure;)

[spano]

scottya u shud of told him to send the money first an sent him a pic of ya balls lol!! i say fuk that dude an anyone who wants to right or talk $hit bout our sport!!

[ChrisQ]

quote:Originally posted by spano
i say fuk that dude an anyone who wants to right or talk $hit bout our sport!!


We don't necessarily know that he was going to write anything negative about the sport. Let's just wait and see...

[spano]

yea thats true but he knows nothin bout the sport so there cudn be much good thats gonna come from this!!

[scottya]

Why would you ask for a photo of a fighter fighting if your not going to link it back to the days when he used to fight
And what the reporter told what his charges were they could be link back to when he was a fighter

He asked me for photos from one set fight which lost me as the other fighter has never done an thing wrong that i know of
So why he wanted photos from that fight has got me stuffed ?


If he wanted the run of the mill photo wouldnt you just get a photo of him walkig out of the court house ?

[Steve P]

Can't be that bad if he walks out of the court house..

Unfortunately there have been a few off field incidents in Sydney that are major. Scandals sell papers. Sales make profit. That is how the world goes round.

[1crain1]

slightly O/T; after a fight one of the melb promoters gave my number out to a guy who shoots porn. funny ****.

'cept i figure if someone wants a ph. # i always clear it with the owner before handing it out.

[Voice]

quote:Originally posted by 1crain1

slightly O/T; after a fight one of the melb promoters gave my number out to a guy who shoots porn. funny ****.

'cept i figure if someone wants a ph. # i always clear it with the owner before handing it out.

haha, did you get a callup?

Funny you mention that, I had someone (about 15mins after an argument late at night) think they were funny by subscribing with my email address to a porn site...came in the next morning and found the activation password in my inbox.
But as it turns out the porn site scalped his IP address and sent it in the verification email.
Silly prick...Charles Darwin got it all wrong. Of the 10 billion perfectly functioning sperm available to finish the job every thousand years or so a retard wins the race and a prize moron is born.

[1crain1]

yea. it was ****ed straight off the bat. was paying way more than any modelling work would so i asked him to email some pics through to my phone. hardcore gay porn.

pretty funny that some of it was shot in a gym i recognised.

not so funny people giving out my number to people i don't know.

i think i should be flattered.

[Bushi]

Maybe you misunderstodd him, he was actually "saying show us your TATTS" ;)

[Steve P]

Can the publicity be as bad as this?

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/29/1091078212886.html?from=storylhs

[ChrisQ]

Have a feeling it could be this?

http://www.theage.com.au/national/conflicting-stories-about-terror-suspect-20090806-ebhr.html

[scottya]

Your on the money ChrisQ
but wasnt that paper that was after the photo

So mite be a few more stories to come out yet

[Voice]

remember that several papers are linked...ie. Fairfax Media, News Corp.
Could be an associated paper to The Age or could by co-incidence be a parallel story by another journo.
Wissam was a pretty damn good kickboxer so I guess showing a pic of him in action is pretty standard journo procedure.

[Voice]

ah there it is, page 2 of the sydney morning herald. The Age and SMH are linked under Fairfax.

[DazMon]

I bet Nick Kara is gunna be rapt(?) that he's in a photo for something related to crime!
I better keep it for him.

[scottya]

On the funny side of things when the guy from the paper rang me he kept saying Wissam name
I couldnt think of Humble last name thinking it was him at first

Even told the reporter he got the wrong guy the only thing Humble has ever done wrong was meet me lol

[Steve P]

I hate terrorism, and I can't understand it. But I won't comment on this one.

If there are a heap of outrageous comments on here, they will be available on an online search available to everyone (and the media)when they plug in Wissam's name into Google. The media to keep the story alive, will publish. It sells papers.

Be careful what you say, or perhaps don't say anything at all. The sport has had enough negative publicity.

[humble]

I have direct experience with the media and how they troll website forums like leeches. I agree with Steve, the less said, the better. Then maybe they will have to do some REAL investigation and reporting.

[U.LOCO]

Well the wait is over was looking at saturdays Heraid Sun and on page 7 is a story on a bashing by a former kickboxer,what a joke shame on the reporter Mark Dunn [}:)][}:)][}:)].

[Voice]

Humble's name isn't Wissam. One would hope people on the forum would check the spelling and context of the claim before even mentioning they knew Humble. This isn't the sort of thing you want to get associated with, even mistakenly.

[DazMon]

Who is the former kickboxer that did the bashing?

[Steve P]

quote:Originally posted by DazMon

Who is the former kickboxer that did the bashing?


http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,27574,25898642-2862,00.html

More of the same. If the guy is before the courts, it is poor form by the media to discuss other incidents which could sway a future potential juror. A biased approach, in that they show a link to Wissam Fattal in a bout, and in their words, "Take a beating".

[scottya]

well there you go
now i know why they wanted a photo of steve aswell now & if i had a photo of wissam & steve fight

guess the herald couldnt get a photo in the end

[Voice]

quote:Originally posted by Steve P

quote:Originally posted by DazMon

Who is the former kickboxer that did the bashing?


http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,27574,25898642-2862,00.html

More of the same. If the guy is before the courts, it is poor form by the media to discuss other incidents which could sway a future potential juror. A biased approach, in that they show a link to Wissam Fattal in a bout, and in their words, "Take a beating".

I went to the fight the week before at Melb Town Hall when Fattal and Nic Kara went to war...awesome fight and Fattal smashed Nic but Steve must have been close to 8kgs heavier than Nic and really bullied Fattal.

It is kind of odd they linked the video of Steve beating Fattal to this story...is it meant to make the public feel better that Fattal 'got what he deserved'?? lol
Wonder why they didn't show the Kara fight instead?

Some nice one-liners by Shiv once again.

[ECKS]

lol no relevance at all aye Voice.

[Steve P]

Wissam Fattal trial has just started. Story below:

Five Muslim men planned attack on NSW army base, Supreme Court told

FIVE Muslim men planned an armed terrorist attack on a Sydney army base to further the cause of Islam by killing as many people as possible, a Supreme Court jury heard today.


Prosecutor Nick Robinson SC said the men took a number of steps in preparation for the attack, including sending one of their number to Somalia to obtain a fatwa or religious decree to permit the plan to go ahead.Mr Robinson said members of the group used the code “the man who has gone to Perth” when talking about Yacqub Khayre’s trip in search of a fatwa. The plan was that five or six men armed with high powered weapons would enter the Holsworthy Army Base and fire at and kill as many people as possible before they were either killed or overwhelmed.

They planned to use weapons that could fire at least 60 bullets. On trial are Saney Edow Aweys, 26, Mr Khayre, 22, Abdirahman Mohamud Ahmed, 25, and Wissam Mahmoud Fattal, 33,and Nayef El Sayed, 25. They have all pleaded not guilty to conspiring with each other and persons unknown between February 1 and August 4 last year to do acts in preparation for, or planning a terrorist act or acts.

Mr Robinson said the men believed Islam was under attack from the West and that Australians and the Australian Government were oppressing innocent Muslims in Afghanistan. They were also upset that another man had been convicted of terrorist acts in this country. “The Crown case was that this was to advance the cause of Islam,” he said. Opening the Crown case, Mr Robinson said Mr Fattal left his home in Lakemba in NSW and visited the Holsworthy base to assess its suitability for carrying out the terrorist shootings. Mr Khayre texted him the address of the base from a public phone in High St , Preston in Victoria. Mr Robinson said the men needed to obtain the fatwa from Somalia because they could not find an Australian-based sheik to issue one. As they were planning the attack members of the group exchanged texts and messages and had conversations, some of which were secretly recorded and would be played in court. Before the trial commenced, Justice Betty King warned the jury that the trial was about the alleged commission of a criminal offence, not about Islam.

“The Islamic faith is not on trial,” Justice King said. “It isn’t about being a Muslim.”
The trial is continuing.


Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/five-muslim-men-planned-attack-on-nsw-army-base-supreme-court-told/story-e6frfkvr-1225921088341#ixzz0zOJdkmS9

[Hironaka]

Bad for the sport.

[crispi]

Bad for the sport.

Took you a while.. But you got there in the end.

[Voice]

oh not this again...they aren't even mentioning that Fattal is a kickboxer anymore, right? Why troll this up?

[Steve P]

oh not this again...they aren't even mentioning that Fattal is a kickboxer anymore, right? Why troll this up?

Do you think they won't play footage or mention he was a kickboxer when the trial concludes? The allegations of this trial are violence, and kickboxing is a violent sport. It could be too prejudicial if the media showed fight footage or link him to the sport. The post was put on the forum like a lot of other posts - it involved someone in the sport and there was media interest.

[Hironaka]

oh not this again...they aren't even mentioning that Fattal is a kickboxer anymore, right? Why troll this up?

Court artist sketches of three of the accused and one picture of Fattal in a typical kickboxing pose in the Herald Sun today.

[tryhard]

Court artist sketches of three of the accused and one picture of Fattal in a typical kickboxing pose in the Herald Sun today.

Maybe they'll draw one of him doing the Ram Muay tomorrow ? :cool:

[Adambjjoz]

Can you imagine the difficulty in trying to shoot off a bazooka at an army base while doing a Ram Muay ???

Charges should be dismissed on that alone !!! :)

[Hironaka]

Can you imagine the difficulty in trying to shoot off a bazooka at an army base while doing a Ram Muay ???

Charges should be dismissed on that alone !!! :)

Can you imagine anyone being taken as a serious threat while doing a Ram Muay?

[berzerker]

Can you imagine anyone being taken as a serious threat while doing a Ram Muay?

depends if they're shooting an arrow in their ram muay or in this case shooting taking a hint out of jwp's ram muay and shooting a bazooka rather than a 6 shooter.

[Steve P]

Wissam Fattal was convicted today of terrorist charges. No mention of fight sports in the article thankfully.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw-act/three-melbourne-men-guilty-of-planning-terror-attack-on-nsw-army-base/story-e6freuzi-1225975368101

THREE Melbourne men have been found guilty of planning a suicide attack on Sydney's Holsworthy Army Barracks. At the end of a 12 week trial Saney Edow Aweys, 26, Wissam Mahmoud Fattal, 33 and Nayef El Sayed, 25 were found guilty of conspiring to do acts in preparation for or planning a terrorist act. As jurors left the court following the verdict, Fattal said: "Islam is truth religion. Thank you very much.'' Yacqub Khayre, 22, Abdirahman Mohamud Ahmed, 25, were found not guilty of the same charge.

The home-grown terror plot was designed to bring a fatwa down on Australia and had its genesis in the seething anger among a small group of Muslim men, some of them refugees, at their belief Islam was under attack from the West. Aweys, 26, of Carlton North, Khayre, 22, of Meadow Heights, Ahmed, 25, of Preston, Fattal, 33, of Melbourne, and El Sayed, 25 of Glenroy pleaded not guilty to conspiring with each other and people unknown between February 1 and August 4 last year to do acts in preparation for, or planning a terrorist act or acts.

Justice Betty King released Khayre and Ahmed after both were acquitted. Before they left the dock the men hugged their co-accused. Justice King remanded Fattal, Aweys, and El Sayed in custody. They will appear in court for a mention hearing on January 24.
Abdirahman Mohamud Ahmed later told reporters he was very relieved following an anxious wait for a verdict. "I think justice has been served,'' he said. When asked about the convictions of three of his co-accused, he replied: "It's unfortunate but this is God's will. I just want to tell them to be patient. They'll get out one day.'' Mr Ahmed said he wanted to spend his day at home with his family. "See my daughters. Been a long time,'' he said when asked of his plans. Omer Shere, a representative of the Somali community, said the community had faith in the justice system."We trust the system,'' he said. Mr Shere said the two men's acquittal was a relief and their families were waiting for them.