What do you eat after training at night?

[adrian]

Question for you guys who work full time then go to training and get home late. What do you eat for dinner?

[Sor.NakSooMuayThai]

Meal replacement, high protein, low carb and fat.

[DazMon]

I have a big dinner, can't help it, and I regret it.
Thats why its taking me so long to get below 84kg!

[sting like a BEE]

On the way home...
always drop by McDonalds, HJ's, KFC or Red Rooster for a Large meal.
Train alot = eat alot.

[adrian]

Sor.NakSooMuayThai,

Meal replacement as in a shake?


Dazmon,

Does your partner have dinner waiting for you? Otherwise if you make it yourself do you find yourself eating too late?

[Dynamite Drew]

i had dinner every week nite after training at my sponsors ...... a Thai restaurant

[Sor.NakSooMuayThai]

yeah Adrian, we are lucky there are so many diet drinks on the market today, so you have heaps of options to choose from. Some protein shakes can be used as a meal replacement too...

[Phreak]

If the good lady has cooked then i'll eat whatever she has made. If not, then she'll cop a spinning back fist then I'll have a protein shake, low fat cottage cheese & tuna on Dried crackers. Then whatever else I can find in the cupboards.

[KbKw]

I take the time to cook a good meal. Nothing replaces good, whole food. Though, it's not that hard a task..

If i'm feeling like something easy, eggs or the like, i'll usually steam up some veg (Broccoli, bok choy etc..) and scramble eggs with some baby spinach. Hearty and fills you up! I generally have my protein shake after training while i'm still at the gym, so i'm not that hungry once I get home. All depends on my mood! More than most I still find myself with take-away chinese. mmmmmmmm

[DanielBoonchu]

after training I eat pad thai with pig or chicken and sticky rice. sometimes fish.
and lots of water:)

[witt]

I struggle to eat sometimes after training. Its easier to smash a meal replacement / protein shake than to digest a big steak. But I can easily smash a big pasta dish straight after. not steak or chicken though. roast is also tough. spesh since i get home n smash like a litre of water, dont really leave room for food. end up eating pretty late :-\

[KbKw]

Plus you must get tired from all the smashing....(Sorry, couldn't resist)

[LOWKICK87]

tuna, beans, eggs

[LOWKICK87]

milk

[witt]

quote:Originally posted by KbKw

Plus you must get tired from all the smashing....(Sorry, couldn't resist)




damnit.

[kingwaa]

just becarefull having meal replacements late at night as alot of them are hi in carbs. depending on what your weight goal is of course.

but protein and fats is what you want after lunch, limit your carbs to next to nothing
once again depending on your goal.

im lucky enough to be able to eat what i want and keep the weight down

[KbKw]

At night^^ And it only really applies to carbs such as bread, pasta, rice. Should def get your carbs from vegetable sources.

[LeewkMT]

I have a high protien/low carb shake most of the time unless something has been cooked for me and is ready when i walk through the door!

[Barbarian]

Alot of people eat the right things after a late gym session but then got to bed to soon after eating.your body needs time to start digesting before your metabolism slows down during sleep.also a glass of cold water first thing in the morning will fire up your metabolism before breakfast

[awon]

quote:Originally posted by Barbarian

Alot of people eat the right things after a late gym session but then got to bed to soon after eating.your body needs time to start digesting before your metabolism slows down during sleep.also a glass of cold water first thing in the morning will fire up your metabolism before breakfast


it give me diarrhea

[P-DYNAMO]

When keeping weight down,it will be a Protien Shake (WPI) right after training and a couple hours later another shake with a can of tuna..
When weight isnt and issue a killer Pasta a couple nights a week,Kangaroo Steaks on another couple nights,and something with Lamb or beef on other nights..
And never miss out on a Pizza with the lot with Extra egg and chilli atleast once a week...mmmmmm Pizza
Damn im hungry now..I hate cutting weight:(

[KbKw]

I love Kangaroo! Anyone have that pre-marinated one they sell at woolworths? Good ****...

[adrian]

quote:Originally posted by Barbarian

Alot of people eat the right things after a late gym session but then got to bed to soon after eating.your body needs time to start digesting before your metabolism slows down during sleep.also a glass of cold water first thing in the morning will fire up your metabolism before breakfast



Yep. By the time I've got back, finished making a meal and eating it's pretty much time for bed. How much time would you leave to digest? 2 hours?

I guess the foods suggested like cottage cheese, eggs and canned tuna will cut down cooking time.



KbKw,

So would potatoes be an okay carb at night?

[WD40]

Hey Adrian, after training when it's late at night I would most likely go for one of those John West 98% fat free tins of tuna and maybe a few dry biscuits. I would try to eat most of my carbs n proteins (rice, meat, veges) during the day. I find I usually eat much less at night do it this way hence can drop weight rather quickly if need be. But the real reason is i CBFkd in the kitchen these days, need a wifey haha.

[KbKw]

I'd favour towards sweet potato for the night carbs. That and alot green veg. Though, if you're cutting, just stick to the green veg.

[adrian]

Thanks guys.

[climax warrior]

Pineapple Express Plan

Morning - Pineapple Pieces along with Pineapple Juice.

Mid Morning - Pineapple Protein Shake

Lunch - Grilled Chicken/Rice/Pineapple Salad and Pineapple Juice.

Afternoon - Pineapple Protein Shake and a Pineapple Carb Bar

Dinner - Pineapple Salad and Pineapple Souffle.

Bed Time - Pineapple Juice.

Note: Abstinence from Sun - Thurs, for a BIG weekend ;)

[KbKw]

...Is that a joke^?

[KbKw]

...you just can't tell on this forum these days

[berzerker]

HAHAHA...i'm laughing so hard at climax warrior

if you understand what bukake is then you'll get why his diet includes pineapple

i read tommy lee's autobiography (pamela anderson's ex) a couple of years ago and he suggests you consume lots of celery in your diet to improve your bukake skills

[sarah george]

hey adrian i would get a slow cooker you can chuck all your veg and meat lamb, beef and chicken any one off them tast good before you go to work does not take long for prep you can let it cook for up to 15 to 18 hours so when you come home you have a good home cooked meal ready to eat you can get special sachets at any store for slow cookers or just beef, veg or chicken stock is just as good :D

[blacklisted]

tofu, nuts, vegetables, tempeh, fruits, cereals etc. vegetarian life is infinitely times better. it's 2009. stop consuming animals.

[adrian]

quote:Originally posted by climax warrior

Morning - Pineapple Pieces along with Pineapple Juice.

Mid Morning - Pineapple Protein Shake

Lunch - Grilled Chicken/Rice/Pineapple Salad and Pineapple Juice.

Afternoon - Pineapple Protein Shake and a Pineapple Carb Bar

Dinner - Pineapple Salad and Pineapple Souffle.

Bed Time - Pineapple Juice.

Note: Abstinence from Sun - Thurs, for a BIG weekend ;)



LOL! You're very considerate.

[adrian]

quote:Originally posted by sarah george

hey adrian i would get a slow cooker you can chuck all your veg and meat lamb, beef and chicken any one off them tast good before you go to work does not take long for prep you can let it cook for up to 15 to 18 hours so when you come home you have a good home cooked meal ready to eat you can get special sachets at any store for slow cookers or just beef, veg or chicken stock is just as good :D


Sounds alright. Means I'd have to prep in the morning though and usually it's a mad rush to work and breakfast at my desk.

[adrian]

quote:Originally posted by blacklisted

tofu, nuts, vegetables, tempeh, fruits, cereals etc. vegetarian life is infinitely times better. it's 2009. stop consuming animals.



I've actually almost cut out red meat from my diet except the odd steak maybe once a month. Chicken once or twice a week. The rest is mainly fish but even then there's concerns about mercury, pesticides in farmed fish, etc.

Can't bring myself to go vego though.

[blacklisted]

and how do you feel after cutting red meat from your diet? from talking to people who have done similar they feel healthier and more energetic after cutting red meat as they up their intake of fruits, vegetables, legumes etc to fill themselves.

[adrian]

I guess I feel healthier. Increased my fruit and veg intake and haven't been sick for almost 2 years as well. Don't think I've even had a cold in that time.

[blacklisted]

that's great to hear. check this website out: http://www.goveg.com/ - it's full of good advice, meal plans, etc.

[adrian]

quote:Originally posted by blacklisted

that's great to hear. check this website out: http://www.goveg.com/ - it's full of good advice, meal plans, etc.





Damn. I love the odd bit of bacon and sausage. 10 reasons not to eat pigs:

http://www.goveg.com/f-top10pigs.asp

Pretty much the reason why I only eat free range chicken and eggs. I'd buy organic but it costs too much to do it regularly.

[blacklisted]

read this as well: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/05/08/2565046.htm

woolworths, the fresh food people.

[Dynamite Drew]

quote:Originally posted by blacklisted

tofu, nuts, vegetables, tempeh, fruits, cereals etc. vegetarian life is infinitely times better. it's 2009. stop consuming animals.


so should we all be gay as well ? it seems the in thing for 2009 as well ?

i eat meat and lots of it and no way i gonna stop to just applease some whack job nutters

[adrian]

quote:Originally posted by blacklisted

read this as well: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/05/08/2565046.htm

woolworths, the fresh food people.



Sick (as in disgusting, terrible, etc.).

[blacklisted]

that is a really good point that you make. i am astounded at your logic and my lack thereof. however, i require further clarification on your initial point re:homosexuality. also, what does 'applease' mean? i'm not familiar with the term.

[adrian]

quote:Originally posted by Dynamite Drew

quote:Originally posted by blacklisted

tofu, nuts, vegetables, tempeh, fruits, cereals etc. vegetarian life is infinitely times better. it's 2009. stop consuming animals.


so should we all be gay as well ? it seems the in thing for 2009 as well ?

i eat meat and lots of it and no way i gonna stop to just applease some whack job nutters



Heh heh. Well, similar to being vegetarian being gay is probably good for the environment in terms of population control. I'm willing to give being veggo a shot. Not sure bout the other.

[Barbarian]

at least an hour,if ya get up after a meal and do the dishes and move around a little it helps digestion.if your eating lots of veg and little meat digestion will be faster.quote:Originally posted by adrian

quote:Originally posted by Barbarian

Alot of people eat the right things after a late gym session but then got to bed to soon after eating.your body needs time to start digesting before your metabolism slows down during sleep.also a glass of cold water first thing in the morning will fire up your metabolism before breakfast



Yep. By the time I've got back, finished making a meal and eating it's pretty much time for bed. How much time would you leave to digest? 2 hours?

I guess the foods suggested like cottage cheese, eggs and canned tuna will cut down cooking time.



KbKw,

So would potatoes be an okay carb at night?

[Hellfighter]

can anyone explain to me in detail when it suddenly became healthly and the "in thing" to not eat meat?

I'm pretty sure our ancestors didn't suddenly stop bashing wildlife over the head and think, "damn, that branch looks kinda tasty!"

[blacklisted]

there's a difference between eating to survive and commodifying life.

[Hellfighter]

really... did it start when speciesism became something or was it when the value of the dollar actually started meaning something to everyone?

[Dynamite Drew]

humans are natural omnivors ..... eat meat and plants

in todays society , its the PC whack job nutter nazis that wanna change everything

if they want be vegans and not eat meat , fine , i dont care , just dont expect everyone else to be in it

[blacklisted]

humans are "naturally" omnivorous? the human body was not "intended" to do anything. evolution is not predictive. we deal with circumstances as they occur and adapt accordingly.

[KbKw]

Why would you wanna give up meat anyway? What's better than a big, fat juicy T-bone and chips?!? Mmmmmm
Or a pizza with so much meat on it, you start seeing those couple of peices that you can't recognise what animal it came from. Now that's a meal!

[humble]

quote:Originally posted by blacklisted

humans are "naturally" omnivorous? the human body was not "intended" to do anything. evolution is not predictive. we deal with circumstances as they occur and adapt accordingly.


Yes, by their inherent nature, humans are omnivorous. There can be no doubting it. Evolution in it's darwinian reference has been debunked many times over. If however what you mean by evolution is that humans evolve and change according to environment then yes there is merit in that.

Having said that, the environment has been manipulated, polluted, abused and monopolized for monetary gain, greed and imbalanced power.

With these things in mind all sub systems have also copped a flogging as people jump at opportunities to commercialize living down to a tee.

As such, you cannot hunt wild game and have your feed like you used to. There is a corporate body ensuring they keep tight control over stock market figures when it comes to meat, poultry and fish industries. Who pays for it? Humankind!

I can understand people not wanting to eat meat because of health reasons, ie the meat and chicken industries have largely been destroyed. I can understand that they'd prefer meat and poultry the way nature intended them, free ranging, eating foods that they were naturally created to eat and free of hormones. I respect both of those decisions if they are health concious decisions. I personally only buy halal and free range organic meats and poultry whenever possible.

What I don't respect is far fanged, over philosophical, hippie do gooders refusing to eat meat because they feel sorry for animals or come from a animal cruelty angle. I agree that slaughtering methods should be humane as should breeding and raising methods and side with them if this is their beef (no pun intended) but I refuse to just accept it as a general rule to stop consuming a necessity.

Being a creationist, I believe animals were put on earth by God for me to consume. Like my ancestry, I like eating them.

Animals like cows and Lambs have long digestive tracts, they're herbivores. Carnivores have short digestive tracts. Humans by nature have medium digestive tracts and most science and common sense spells that we eat a plant and vegetable based diet with complimentary and adequate amounts of meat.

Obviously civilizations, cultures, blood types and so on differ and you do get your odd folk who go against the rules but try and feed a Mediterranean a diet full of rice and pasta and they will blow out to inexcusable proportions. Most Europeans are also like this.

Try and feed an Asian a diet high in meat and beans and likewise you will affect their health.

Having said all that, I usually have a protein drink made up of isolate, concentrate, egg albumen, calcium caesinate and milk protein straight after training mixed in with some electrolytes and occasionally some waxy maize.

An hour or so later I'll have a light meal, usually home made stir fry light on the rice.

[Voice]

I know plenty of vegetarian males with habits like wombats...eats, roots, shoots and leaves...:D

[Hironaka]

If you don't eat red meat, you may as well hand in your penis and testicles. You are no longer a man.

[purple warrior]

quote:Originally posted by Hironaka

If you don't eat red meat, you may as well hand in your penis and testicles. You are no longer a man.


What if youre from the isle of Lesbos and you eat pink goods...[:p]

[KbKw]

Prech Humble! That's the truth! Well said..

[adrian]

I don't think there's anything wrong with eating meat. It's just that there's something wrong with the meat today that's mass produced.

Think about it. Animals penned in with no exercise, so many of em in one place so if one gets sick they all get sick. Plus they're being fed ground up, processed recycled bits of themselves. That can't be healthy.

Farmed fish sounds horrible as well. I love salmon and it's suppose to be good for you but then you hear about the small enclosures they have in the sea and all the sea lice and disease that spread among them because they're jammed in so tight.

Only way to go is buying meat freshly slaughtered from some farm but who's got the time to do that.

[humble]

quote:Originally posted by adrian

I don't think there's anything wrong with eating meat. It's just that there's something wrong with the meat today that's mass produced.

Think about it. Animals penned in with no exercise, so many of em in one place so if one gets sick they all get sick. Plus they're being fed ground up, processed recycled bits of themselves. That can't be healthy.

Farmed fish sounds horrible as well. I love salmon and it's suppose to be good for you but then you hear about the small enclosures they have in the sea and all the sea lice and disease that spread among them because they're jammed in so tight.

Only way to go is buying meat freshly slaughtered from some farm but who's got the time to do that.


precisely.

Dr Berrardi who practices what he preaches, trains a lot and eats well experimented with vegetarianism on purpose.

He went almost complete vego for a while and got good results but did miss meat as he loves it.

With the quality of sea farming what was once our safe haven away from steroided poultry and cattle is now just as bad.

I'm personally involved with a group who are still trying to find some free range breeders and get permission to slaughter our own feed weekly or bi-weekly.

Usually local breeders and what not are friendly enough to let you buy and slaughter so long as you clean up your mess.

Otherwise, dig a big hole in the back yard and put up your monkey bars and sharpen the blades! :D

Alternatively grab your boat and rod and go for gold.

[adrian]

quote:Originally posted by humble

quote:Originally posted by adrian

I don't think there's anything wrong with eating meat. It's just that there's something wrong with the meat today that's mass produced.

Think about it. Animals penned in with no exercise, so many of em in one place so if one gets sick they all get sick. Plus they're being fed ground up, processed recycled bits of themselves. That can't be healthy.

Farmed fish sounds horrible as well. I love salmon and it's suppose to be good for you but then you hear about the small enclosures they have in the sea and all the sea lice and disease that spread among them because they're jammed in so tight.

Only way to go is buying meat freshly slaughtered from some farm but who's got the time to do that.


precisely.

Dr Berrardi who practices what he preaches, trains a lot and eats well experimented with vegetarianism on purpose.

He went almost complete vego for a while and got good results but did miss meat as he loves it.

With the quality of sea farming what was once our safe haven away from steroided poultry and cattle is now just as bad.

I'm personally involved with a group who are still trying to find some free range breeders and get permission to slaughter our own feed weekly or bi-weekly.

Usually local breeders and what not are friendly enough to let you buy and slaughter so long as you clean up your mess.

Otherwise, dig a big hole in the back yard and put up your monkey bars and sharpen the blades! :D

Alternatively grab your boat and rod and go for gold.






Heh heh. That'd be the good life. Wish I had the dough to buy a house by the sea and a boat.

Had a mate who quit his job to go work in a mine to save up to buy his own self sustaining farm in Tasmania where he was going to do all that grown your own food and kill your own meat. Plan fell through when he got injured though.

[blacklisted]

quote:Originally posted by humbleWhat I don't respect is far fanged, over philosophical, hippie do gooders refusing to eat meat because they feel sorry for animals or come from a animal cruelty angle.

Being a creationist, I believe animals were put on earth by God for me to consume. Like my ancestry, I like eating them.


if caring for both human and non-human animals makes me a 'far fanged, over philosophical, hippie do gooder', then i'm exactly that.

as for your 'creationist' argument: picture me slamming my head into my keyboard. an intolerant christian, NO WAY!!!111

[blacklisted]

p.s your god also said:

- not leave any creature alive. "You shall annihilate them"
- "kill every male dependent, and kill every woman who has had intercourse with a man, but spare for yourselves every woman among them who has not had intercourse."
- "strike down those who live in this city, men and cattle alike; they shall die of a great pestilence"
- "When I shoot the deadly arrows of famine against you, arrows of destruction, I will shoot to destroy you"
- "if the daughter of a priest becomes a prostitute, she must be burnt to death"
- "infants will be dashed to the ground before their eyes...I will stir up against them the Medes... who have no pity on little children and spare no mother's son..."
- "I myself will punish you seven times over for your sins. Instead of meat you shall eat your sons and your daughters"
- re: if a woman grabs a mans testicles "you shall cut off her hand and show her no mercy."
- "Folly is deep-rooted in the heart of a boy; a good beating will drive it right out of him."

etc etc yada yada. whatever. the fact you even consider using a god to back up what you're saying is remarkable. i am genuinely saddened you are going to breed.

also, in one of the most nonsensical stories in the bible, god sent two bears that killed 42 children because they were making fun of the prophet (which back then meant 'wise person') elisha's bald head. (by the way, shaving the edges of your beard was also forbidden)

oh, yeah... the bible also says not to eat lobster, shrimp, clams, snails as they are an 'abomination'.

i'm actually laughing. you probably could've sucked a few people in with the rest of your post.

[blacklisted]

i'm not going to reply after this; we're going to go around in circles.

tofu r00lz. meat dr00lz.

love, blacklisted.

[bury57]

didn't you mean to sign off, "peace, love and mung beans" ???

I don't have a problem with vegetarians, it's their own personal lifestyle choice, what i do have a problem with is when they try to "convert" others to their lifestyle and say that non-vegetarians/vegans are morally bankrupt or cruel or stupid or WHATEVER. respect my right to live the way i want to live, just as I respect yours. no need to get all preachy and moralistic on the rest of us.

[Hellfighter]

awwwwwww c'mon, blacklisted... you can't throw that much fuel on a fire and then run away before Humble has replied

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/2259/s224.gif

[blacklisted]

sometimes i disagree with people just for the sake of an argument. keeps the mind sharp. get involved.

[LeewkMT]

quote:Originally posted by blacklisted

sometimes i disagree with people just for the sake of an argument. keeps the mind sharp. get involved.


hahahahahahaha....nice[^]

[Dunny]

quote:Originally posted by blacklisted

sometimes i disagree with people just for the sake of an argument. keeps the mind sharp. get involved.
So you're not a bible bashing vegetarian then?

[blacklisted]

i'm a full-time PC whack job nutter nazi and a far fanged, over philosophical, hippie do gooder.

[Dunny]

quote:Originally posted by blacklisted

i'm a full-time PC whack job nutter nazi and a far fanged, over philosophical, hippie do gooder.
Ha, ha...quite a job description! Full points for honesty.

[KbKw]

Why don't we just stick to the topic? Humble brought religon into it, so what? Ignore it and move on.

[ECKS]

quote:Why don't we just stick to the topic? Humble brought religon into it, so what? Ignore it and move on.

He was relating it to the topic....

Nice blacklisted. You disagree for the sake of argument yet you won't reply to humbles reply to your ignorant one.... Makes sense.

Oh.... And he isn't Christian. You're too funny.

[adrian]

Well if you want to bring up the bible and meat. God intended for every animal and Adam and Eve to be vegetarian which is why lions and lambs lived side by side. Then once they were booted from the garden somehow the lions and Adam and Eve's digestive systems suddenly evolved to process meat. What's up with that?

[blacklisted]

how good is being vegetarian but

[humble]

quote:Originally posted by blacklisted

p.s your god also said:

- not leave any creature alive. "You shall annihilate them"
- "kill every male dependent, and kill every woman who has had intercourse with a man, but spare for yourselves every woman among them who has not had intercourse."
- "strike down those who live in this city, men and cattle alike; they shall die of a great pestilence"
- "When I shoot the deadly arrows of famine against you, arrows of destruction, I will shoot to destroy you"
- "if the daughter of a priest becomes a prostitute, she must be burnt to death"
- "infants will be dashed to the ground before their eyes...I will stir up against them the Medes... who have no pity on little children and spare no mother's son..."
- "I myself will punish you seven times over for your sins. Instead of meat you shall eat your sons and your daughters"
- re: if a woman grabs a mans testicles "you shall cut off her hand and show her no mercy."
- "Folly is deep-rooted in the heart of a boy; a good beating will drive it right out of him."

etc etc yada yada. whatever. the fact you even consider using a god to back up what you're saying is remarkable. i am genuinely saddened you are going to breed.

also, in one of the most nonsensical stories in the bible, god sent two bears that killed 42 children because they were making fun of the prophet (which back then meant 'wise person') elisha's bald head. (by the way, shaving the edges of your beard was also forbidden)

oh, yeah... the bible also says not to eat lobster, shrimp, clams, snails as they are an 'abomination'.

i'm actually laughing. you probably could've sucked a few people in with the rest of your post.


You should feel ashamed for having no other point of argument except to retort against and insult Christians by quoting out of context and to your leisure.

It proves precisely bury's point.

You may sway ignorants with your gibberish reasoning about why you are a phyto-fruity-warrior but common sense, thousands of years of 'evolution' and now days for the atheistically minded, science proves humans are MEANT to eat meat. If you have an allergy, no probs. If you have a physiological ailment towards meat, no probs. If however you take the moral high horse and claim that your defense against meat is animal cruelty related or your affection for Mary's lamb is too great then your never going to sound like anything but what I already mentioned.

I obviously rubbed you the wrong way so instead of crying foul and getting your knickers in a knot, show me a commonsense reason why humans shouldn't eat meat other than what I have already mentioned!

I suspect you wont though because much like the misquoted verses from the Bible, you chose to zero in and take what I said out of context.
As Ecks said, I'm not a Christian but I am still offended you misquote the bible to suit your agenda.

Now, kindly prove, science and thousands of years of living wrong and tell me why my vege patch alone will suffice me and my family.

Tell me black listed..... do you have kids? If so, are they vegans? Do you advise them to be? Will you force them to be vegans? What if they're staunch omni's? Will you refuse to cook them a meal because of your attitude?

[blacklisted]

unnecessary killing is unjust.

[adrian]

On another note. Buddha actually ate meat when it was offered to him. So does the Dalai Lama. Reason being is that it's a worse sin to refuse a good gesture or something.

[humble]

I agree. Killing animals for fun or for sport is unjust. Slaughtering an animal for food is not. Mass slaughtering to the point of wasteful, commercialized, gluttonous capital gain is also unjust. Mass slaughtering with unintentional waste as a by product to serve the needs of community is not.
If you disagree with this, state intelligently why.

If your statement is just general, then humans suffering all around the world are far more deserving of our compassion than a few chooks. Both wrong, priority humans.

[LeewkMT]

Come on Blacklisted get your head on tonight not this crap :)

[blacklisted]

quote:Originally posted by humble

I agree. Killing animals for fun or for sport is unjust. Slaughtering an animal for food is not. Mass slaughtering to the point of wasteful, commercialized, gluttonous capital gain is also unjust. Mass slaughtering with unintentional waste as a by product to serve the needs of community is not.
If you disagree with this, state intelligently why.

If your statement is just general, then humans suffering all around the world are far more deserving of our compassion than a few chooks. Both wrong, priority humans.

when you try to agree in future, can you please agree to what is written and not some vague hippie rant about ORGANIQUE produce. i know it's hard.

killing of ANY KIND is not necessary for the healthy survival of a human.

unnecessary killing is unjust. killing is not necessary. i'm glad you didn't have a problem with the second half of that statement, maybe you'll get it one day.
and please don't request intelligence from me as though it hasn't been amply displayed, meat-eater.


there's a few standard deliveries from meat-eating morons that make me really cringe. the "humans deserve compassion more than animals" or "a few chooks" angle is probably my least favourite.

please find me a vegetarian/vegan that cares less about innocent human life in sufferance than a person living on an animal-based diet, and maybe we can talk. you won't find one.

if i was talking on your warped terms, your capacity for compassionate meanderings GRAND TOTAL ACROSS ALL ORGANISMS HUMAN AND OTHERWISE, is still far less than my dedicated human compassion reserve. you see how retarded you are? do you see?

[methusila]

Hi Humble, i don't consider myself an 'ignorant' swayed by anybody, Hmmmm, ok... maybe ignorant but not swayed. Apart from the Health concerns linking the consumption of red meat with certain cancers, well documented by notable authorities, this excerpt may be of interest to you.

quote:At Yale, Professor Irving Fisher designed a series of tests to compare the stamina and strength of meat-eaters against that of vegetarians. He selected men from three groups: meat-eating athletes, vegetarian athletes, and vegetarian sedentary subjects. Fisher reported the results of his study in the Yale Medical Journal. His findings do not seem to lend a great deal of credibility to the popular prejudices that hold meat to be a builder of strength.

"Of the three groups compared, the... flesh-eaters showed far less endurance than the abstainers (vegetarians), even when the latter were leading a sedentary life."

Overall, the average score of the vegetarians was over double the average score of the meat-eaters, even though half of the vegetarians were sedentary people, while all of the meat-eaters tested were athletes.

A comparable study was done by Dr. J. Ioteyko of the Academie de Medicine of Paris. Dr. Ioteyko compared the endurance of vegetarians and meat-eaters from all walks of life in a variety of tests. The vegetarians averaged two to three times more stamina than the meat-eaters. Even more remarkably, they took only one-fifth the time to recover from exhaustion compared to their meat-eating rivals.

Wherever and whenever tests of this nature have been done, the results have been similar. Doctors in Belgium systematically compared the number of times vegetarians and meat-eaters could squeeze a grip-meter. The vegetarians won handily with an average of 69, whilst the meat-eaters averaged only 38. As in all other studies which have measured muscle recovery time, here, too the vegetarians bounced back from fatigue far more rapidly than did the meat-eaters

Not pushing any barrows for anybody. Just trying to add something to the debate... without name calling.

[blacklisted]

all the big, modern diseases are directly related to an animal-based diet.

[humble]

quote:Originally posted by blacklisted

quote:Originally posted by humble

I agree. Killing animals for fun or for sport is unjust. Slaughtering an animal for food is not. Mass slaughtering to the point of wasteful, commercialized, gluttonous capital gain is also unjust. Mass slaughtering with unintentional waste as a by product to serve the needs of community is not.
If you disagree with this, state intelligently why.

If your statement is just general, then humans suffering all around the world are far more deserving of our compassion than a few chooks. Both wrong, priority humans.

when you try to agree in future, can you please agree to what is written and not some vague hippie rant about ORGANIQUE produce. i know it's hard.

killing of ANY KIND is not necessary for the healthy survival of a human.

unnecessary killing is unjust. killing is not necessary. i'm glad you didn't have a problem with the second half of that statement, maybe you'll get it one day.
and please don't request intelligence from me as though it hasn't been amply displayed, meat-eater.


there's a few standard deliveries from meat-eating morons that make me really cringe. the "humans deserve compassion more than animals" or "a few chooks" angle is probably my least favourite.

please find me a vegetarian/vegan that cares less about innocent human life in sufferance than a person living on an animal-based diet, and maybe we can talk. you won't find one.

if i was talking on your warped terms, your capacity for compassionate meanderings GRAND TOTAL ACROSS ALL ORGANISMS HUMAN AND OTHERWISE, is still far less than my dedicated human compassion reserve. you see how retarded you are? do you see?



I did ask for an intelligent reply. What I got instead is more rantings from phyto-warrior.

I didn't reply killing is just in any manner. I said slaughtering. There is a difference whether your fraginpani smothered mind understands that or not.

When you try to argue in future, can you please argue to what is written and not some vague hippie rant, period. i know it's hard.

Like I asked... do you have children? What would be your stance if they were meat eaters?

Regarding modern diseases, and red meat, any sensible person let alone scientist will point you in the direction towards free range, organically grown and chemically free meat, poultry and unfarmed seafood. But if they want to point the finger and the comercial rubbish they call meat and poultry then by all means as I have already mentioned (3rd time) I can understand the stance of people becoming vegetarians. I can most definitely agree with supposed science too. I say supposed because if you're going to do tests, run experiments and write papers you'd hope that the tests were unbiased.

I really don't think scientists would compare a healthy wild game and lean meat/ fish/poultry eater to satisfy the needs of their experiments. Manipulation of this sort occurs all the time. Even govts get in on the act and try and push for products they will get a return on.

Vegans miss out on many nutrients such as B12 and have been generally found to be low on it. This causes things like dementia, lack of coordination, forgetfulness, and nerve dysfunction.

Lack of zinc, necessary in production of testosterone and other hormones, healthy skin, hair and nails and more.

Lack of protein, necessary in many physiological processes of which most importantly for athletes are recovery from training, repair of muscle tissue and cell damage, many cellular processes, digestion and so on.

Lack of Iron, most importantly for oxygen transport. There are two types of iron obtained in the diet. Heme and nonheme. Heme is absorbed better and more important for the body. As you guessed, meats, fish, poultry, milk, eggs and other animal based products are rich in these.

The nonheme isn't absorbed as well and is usually the choice of supplementation for vegans. Sensible vegans that is. They usually try and get this from lentils, beans, nuts, grains, oats, spinach and other non animal sources but have to eat quite a lot of it to get adequate amounts. Because it is almost impossible to get enough food even for normal non athletes let alone athletes, most vegans end up supplementing their diets with iron supplements.

This also goes for the above mentioned nutrients.

Generally those who take a vegan approach have to learn a lot more about macro and micro nutrients in foods and have to plan their diets so as to reap the benefits and balance it out enough to not have ailments.

The tests mentioned in the example Methusila quoted are on one type of activity. That is, endurance based. Endurance based activities are not the norm in life. It is not the expected norm to ask someone to carry on an activity for extended periods of time. The longest lasting activity is most likely walking or travelling in the older times. Nowdays, none of that occurs. What's interesting is that endurance based activities are the most health destroying as the body literally withers away after an endurance based event. Marathon runners have been reported to need recovery times of up to one month post their events as muscle tissue and other bodily systems catabolize. Guess what food groups help recovery? Other than balancing out acid/base and providing essential vitamins and minerals and antioxidants which fruits and vegetables do, the job is largely left up to protein to help preserve muscle, prevent catabolism and promote anabolism, immunity and general physiological function.

Next time you wish to observe this, merely look at the fragile appearance of endurance based athletes.

The opening paragraph states in the last line that "Fisher reported the results of his study in the Yale Medical Journal. His findings do not seem to lend a great deal of credibility to the popular prejudices that hold meat to be a builder of strength."

Here begins the disarray of confusion scientists paint with their ill founded and largely externally funded (read goal orientated and manipulated) tests.

There is no way on earth an endurance event is considered a measure of strength so why on earth does Fisher begin by misleading people into thinking that meat is directly related to the performance of an endurance event and or in his implications endurance and strength are correlated?

He also fails to mention what type of athletes he tested that were meat eaters.

He doesn't mention (in the quote you provided anyway) what type of endurance test was performed.

His idea of of a physical test is endurance based and doesn't measure any strength related tests.

The tests of Ioteyko also are vague and don't mention what tests, what activity and makes vague mention of recovery time from exhaustion but I doubt measures things at a deeper level.

Doctors in Belgium results? Much the same. Squeezing a grip meter? Are you kidding me?

I'd love to see them try these vegan vs meat eater tests on power athletes, strength athletes, speed athletes and so on... you know, most of what athletics and sport are about. I'm yet to see the overpopulation of the elite fighters who are vegans which is really what is relevant to this thread.

I'm still hanging to see Pyrros Dimas or Hussein Rezazadeh, Maurice Green, Michael Johnsons, or more specifically, the Peter Aerts, Ramon Dekkers, Buakaws, Masatos, JWP's, and so on of our sport wack out their tofu bars and paint daisies on their cheeks.

That excerpt seems a very dry, agenda conspired news ad rather than serious scientific look on the benefits of vegan vs meat diets for athletes.

In any regards, lean and healthy meats, wild game and so on will never be linked to cancers, and illnesses. Fatty beef, pork chops and steroided chickens will.

[Jackfrost]

Anywho... back to the topic. My Wife trains with me so we buy Lean Cuisines when they are on special and have a collection of them in the freezer. Not as nice as home cooking but it is quick with no mess.

[TSINGANI]

I have Wild Turkey and i wash it down with Wild Turkey

its what champions are made of

[adrian]

quote:Originally posted by TSINGANI

I have Wild Turkey and i wash it down with Wild Turkey

its what champions are made of






Nice. The Tank Abbott diet heh heh.

[methusila]

Carl Lewis, Edwin Moses, Mac Danzig, that kettlebell guy Mike Mahler, but my favourite.... Killer Kowalski.

[Jackfrost]

quote:Originally posted by methusila

Carl Lewis, Edwin Moses, Mac Danzig, that kettlebell guy Mike Mahler, but my favourite.... Killer Kowalski.

Seems as though we have a cannabal....

Wouldn't those guys be a bit tough to eat?

[methusila]

Jack, depends on how you cook them. Carl Lewis etc. are actually names given to my free range, antibiotic free chickens. I prefer them stuffed and roasted... i don't stuff them myself anymore since the masking tape ran out. So, no, i am not a cannibal. However the practice would appear to be quite widespread. I have heard the younger guys at work quite often discuss eating /munching on ladies they were with, and apparently in the raw. True omnivores, eating raw flesh...............;)

[crazykickboxer2005]

eat what u like .but six weeks be 4 a fight well balanced diet .lots of water fruit and no sugur bread

[Sor.NakSooMuayThai]

what about turnbuckles crazy?

[adrian]

quote:Originally posted by methusila

Carl Lewis, Edwin Moses, Mac Danzig, that kettlebell guy Mike Mahler, but my favourite.... Killer Kowalski.




Well I guess that answers whether you can be a strong and explosive athlete on a vegetarian diet.

[adrian]

Check out this article on meat being grown in labs. Apparently they can grow meat for burgers and sausage now. That should take away animal cruelty and environment issues for not eating meat.

http://blogs.theage.com.au/lifestyle/chewonthis/archives/2009/05/in_vitro_meat_w.html

"The production method, according to New Harvest's website goes like this, 'the production of cultured meat begins by taking a number of cells from a farm animal and proliferating them in a nutrient-rich medium. Cells are capable of multiplying so many times in culture that, in theory, a single cell could be used to produce enough meat to feed the global population for a year. After the cells are multiplied, they are attached to a sponge-like "scaffold" and soaked with nutrients. They may also be mechanically stretched to increase their size and protein content. The resulting cells can then be harvested, seasoned, cooked, and consumed as a boneless, processed meat, such as sausage, hamburger, or chicken nuggets'."

[blacklisted]

quote:Originally posted by adrian

quote:Originally posted by methusila

Carl Lewis, Edwin Moses, Mac Danzig, that kettlebell guy Mike Mahler, but my favourite.... Killer Kowalski.




Well I guess that answers whether you can be a strong and explosive athlete on a vegetarian diet.


but where do they get thier protein!?!?!?1?1!?!?!!?!?!/1/2#/1@3/1efj g'dfgdsfg
sdfg

DON'T YOU GET SICK!?!

[Hellfighter]

eggs? just cause it fell from a chook, it hasn't developed yet, so couldn't they get it protein from them or maybe TOFU is the secret weapon :-?

[humble]

quote:Originally posted by adrian

quote:Originally posted by methusila

Carl Lewis, Edwin Moses, Mac Danzig, that kettlebell guy Mike Mahler, but my favourite.... Killer Kowalski.




Well I guess that answers whether you can be a strong and explosive athlete on a vegetarian diet.


Actually out of those people Carl is the only one of repute and I did say:

quote:I'm yet to see the overpopulation of the elite fighters who are vegans which is really what is relevant to this thread.
I didn't say that they can't exist, just that not many athletes are vegans as opposed to meat eaters.

[climax warrior]

Humble

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[adrian]

quote:Originally posted by humble

quote:Originally posted by adrian

quote:Originally posted by methusila

Carl Lewis, Edwin Moses, Mac Danzig, that kettlebell guy Mike Mahler, but my favourite.... Killer Kowalski.




Well I guess that answers whether you can be a strong and explosive athlete on a vegetarian diet.


Actually out of those people Carl is the only one of repute and I did say:

quote:I'm yet to see the overpopulation of the elite fighters who are vegans which is really what is relevant to this thread.
I didn't say that they can't exist, just that not many athletes are vegans as opposed to meat eaters.




Fair enough. The only fighter Mac Danzig on that list isn't really elite.

[Locked Up]

I get the women to 'cook me some eggs'