Gurkan Ozkan: Latest NEWS!

[JANER]

Hey guys I just got off the phone with Gurkan Ozkan while he was at the FOX studios. He told me the following information:

- Tiger Bell pulled out of the Festival Hall Boxing match so he may fight a kickboxing fight instead.

- He is Anthony Mundines Main Sparring Partner. Khoder Nasser(mundines manager), offered the top job for 1 month. Great sparring for mundine!

- The Mundine Echols title fight will either be in Bali, Sydney, or Melbourne respectively.

- Gurkan WILL be the Main SUPPORT bout in a boxing fight

- IF Gurkan beats his opponent in August he has a shot against Danny Green

- If he beats Danny Green He will fight a world title eliminator


So great news. And he also said "Its personal with Zambidis!!!"

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"Seriously, What the HELL did you expect?"

[Fists_of_Fury]

A world title eliminator after just 5 boxing fights??
hmmmm interesting. Janer are you sure Gurkan said that? Or did you just pull it outta your arse?

[paul c]

I hope the kickboxing fight happens.

[SPADA]

Fists of fury

Stallone got a title shot out of nowhere in Rocky
must be the same script for Ozkan....hehe

[paul c]

50 odd Kickboxing fights has to account for something guys.

Don't forget he beat Stenton for the Vic title on his first pro boxing fight, and fought Paul Briggs on his third.

How many fights did Mundine have when he fought Ottke, wasn't it like 12 or something?.


Best of luck to him, but I can's see it happening that easily.





Edited by - paul c on 17 May 2003 17:34:20

[Servant1]

And comming out of the red corner with 5 boxing fights, fighting for a world title eliminator gergan ROCKY ozkan. hAhahahahahahahahahaha

I did it taaaarrrrriiiikkkkk!!!!!!!!


SUPERKICK

[Servant]

50 odd kickboxing fights means absolute squat in pro boxing. If I am the world ping pong champion do I get an automatic berth in tennis's wimbledon tournment if I decide to play a couple tennis matches? Believe it when you see it. prove me wrong.

[JANER]

direct from the horses mouth!

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"Seriously, What the HELL did you expect?"

[paul c]

According to Sash the experience of so many kickboxing fights means squat.

OK, let's consider this.

So are you saying that a first time pro fighter could of beaten Stenton for the Vic title Sash?
Or that on your second pro fight you might have what it takes to def Hallford on points, because your kickboxing experience isn't taken into account?


But, if you do agree to it meaning something, even a tiny little consideration, than why would it be such an absurdity to get to where Mundine was with a couple of less pro boxing fights.

The opponents mundine has had, barr several, wouldn't have been fit to be Ozkan's sparring partners I reckon. You see, if I was matching a fighter against Ozkan whom I liked. And if I wanted it to be a good fight, that I'd select a fighter with about 15 pro fights. Unless of course, he's a Briggs or a Green type of dude with exceptional stats, then I'd consider maybe 9 or 10 fights experience.
I'm not suggesting that I'd try and match a fighter with 55 pro boxing fights. But, that Ozkan's experience of 50 kickboxing prior to his 3 or 4 boxing is looked upon me as I would a pro boxer of between 15 and 20 fights with very decent stats.

Again, I don't think it will happen that easily. Life isn't that simple.

I just think your dismissing comment about kickboxing experience is total nonsense. And can't believe anyone on earth would ignore so much fight experience and Knockouts as just something which doesn't matter.

Edited by - paul c on 18 May 2003 02:04:16

[Servant]

Paul let me be the first to say your new found attitude and razor sharp edge combined with your Ozkan expertise is beautiful to see! The smelly fight game has finally brought out ur tough edgy side! very sharp! Yes I am talking nonsense as you say and you are putting me in my place! Shoosh my mouth! You see brother Paul,young Janer (who is still ducking me in the drinking comp) is talking of world title eliminators and so forth. When we talk world boxing titles we are (generally) talking top of the line pro boxers. And brothers can I tell you beating some dude for a Vic title means JACK SH*T when it comes to the big leagues. Who exactly is Heath Stenton and some of you keep on about him like he is some major scalp? Ozkan is/can be a tough local boxer. I wont say he cn't be because he already is. He's a guy who fits perfectly into the fun to watch clubfighter mold. But upper leages/world titles blah blah nope it doesn't mean sh*t. Before you even dream of world titles and him being a thrat worldwide because he's had kickboxing fights it would be nice to have something more substantial than a meaninless Vic title. All of you take the blinkers off and try to be a little objective. Next thing I expect you all to say is he can compete in the Moto GP because he rides his motorbike well. Why sash you nonsense talker can't he compete in the moto GP? WHY WHY?

By the John Hallford deserved that decision. Just my humble opinion.

[Servant]

None of this would have happened if janer didnt mention world title eliminaters.<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>

[Pieman]

"If he beats Danny Green He will fight a world title eliminator".

I could see how that could happen, considering Green is now ranked in the top ten of the IBF and would most likely rise in the rankings with a win over De Lisle next month. So if Ozkan did pull an upset and beat Green its a real possibility that he would be in a position to to participate in an Eliminator. Remember guys eliminators are just box-off's between the top ranked contenders to determine the mandatory challenger for the Champion(In theory, nothing is for certain with Boixing Politics today).

Paul Briggs -&gt; Number One!
"A Champion is someone who gets up when he can't". Jack Demsey.

[Koshy]

Paul I think your personal views on Ozkan may be clouding your judgement. He is a very average boxer to say the least. He may have fought briggs in only his 3rd fight but he got flogged and Briggs only had one arm. I think the chances of Green giving Ozkan a shot are slim and his chances of fighting for a title are next to none but I wish him the best.

[Servant]

here here koshy

[remy]

Green won't give him a shot. Green is after higher rankings, and unless Ozkan comes with a suitcase full of money that fight just won't happen.

And it's hard to judge the kickboxing experience in boxing. You develope habits in kickboxing that you carry into boxing especially if your switching back and forth between the sports it makes it even harder.

[paul c]

Look guys, my view of Ozkan has nothing to do with it.
I mean I was using him an example of that one would be stupid to ignore his kickboxing track record if matchmaking him in a fight.
Plus I think the majority of you guys underestimate him. I know he's not a boxer to the likes of Briggs or Green just yet, but I personally believe he'd allways be a danger fighting one of them. Just because of the power of his shots.
Also, I think he deserves big credit for going the distance with Briggs, because look how many higher rated than Ozkan fighters have been smashed in a round or two by him. Also, I look at his fight with Watt as a boxing fight. There weren't too many kicks thrown, and also, wasn't Watt a Commonwealth champion.

Let me use another example then.
Do you guys reckon Mike Cope would have even been a consideration as an opponent to Sam Soliman without his kickboxing track record.
I mean, for petes sake man, a promoter would have to be a real bastard throwing in a fighter with 2 or 3 boxing fights against Soliman. He obviously knew what Cope was capable off because of these kickboxing stats. I'm sure they didn't bring Cope in to beat soliman. Soliman beat Cope in every round, but to me it was no way some sort of embarassment for Mike, but an extreme accomplishment being able to go the distance with so few boxing fights.

Re Heath Stenton.
Yeah Sash, he's a nobody right.
How many fights did Mundine have before he fought him?

[paul c]

Re my tough edgy side,

You criticize my train of thought, but you come up with the most flipant arrogant garbage I've read in this forum Sash.

'50 Kickboxing fights means squat'
That's what I was replying to because I felt it's a slap in the face to all kickboxers.




Edited by - paul c on 18 May 2003 15:08:59

[Koshy]

Paul Heath is never in shape, has no power, and no speed.

[paul c]

Koshy,

I'd seen several of Stenton's fights on Fox prior to the Ozkan fight. Don't forget this was in 99, and my point was simply that I wouldn't have put a first time fighter in there with Stenton.

Like the comment was kickboxing experience means squat. So in effect they would have been putting a total novice in there with no fight experience at all for a vic title fight against Stenton. I was reacting to that.

[Koshy]

Yeah i see your point.

[Servant]

Lets try again.
Talk has now started (thru Janer) of Ozkan fghting world title eliminaters and going for world ranking and title shots blah blah. In the upper leages of boxing, his kickboxing experience means squat as far as impressing the big cheeses or landing him quicker title shots etc. Boxing is loaded with exkickboxers most of who never make it past clubfighter level yet were champs of this and that in kickboxing. So to reiterate kickboxing experience means sweet f*ck all in the BIG leagues,I aint talking about winning some Vic title that Tarik probably invented, true world class boxing ability is what cuts it. If thats flippant arrogant garbage well then just call me Sash The Trash!

[Servant]

"I mean, for petes sake man, a promoter would have to be a real bastard throwing in a fighter with 2 or 3 boxing fights against Soliman."

Oh you would be suprised Paul. Its called the art of padding ones recrd.
Besides which the promoter WAS a true bastard. The fight was a sickening mismatch in which one must be thankful that Soloman isnt a power hitter otherwise it would have been worse. I still dont know why Copes corner shoved him out round after round.

[paul c]

Let me use another example,

Ozkan fought Briggs and lost.
I personally believe Ozkan got to fight Briggs because of Ozkan's kickboxing experience, and not because Ozkan had had 2 prior boxing fights and was then thrown to a lion.


Now, let's just use our imagination.
Let's just pretend for arguements sake that Ozkan won that fight.
Prior to the fight people were rightfully giving Paul huge raps as being the next big thing, of being the REAL DEAL.
You don't think that this would have given him a slightly easier time in getting to higher ranked fighters?

I know he wouldn't have taken Paul's ranking, but had he had a couple of pretty clever and strategic fights with higher ranked guys after that, I think it's possible to get quite a decent ranking with him under 10 fights.

Man, look at what Mundine did.
What would you have said if Mundine defeated Ottke?

Sorry Sash, you oppinion on boxings elite fighters don't hold ground in every case scenario that I can think off.

[Servant]

Let me use another example,





"Now, let's just use our imagination.
Let's just pretend for arguements sake that Ozkan won that fight.
Prior to the fight people were rightfully giving Paul huge raps as being the next big thing, of being the REAL DEAL.
You don't think that this would have given him a slightly easier time in getting to higher ranked fighters?"

Like you said Paul your using your imagination. Ozkan lost making all his a pointless "what if?"



"Man, look at what Mundine did.
What would you have said if Mundine defeated Ottke?"

I would have thought it quite an achievement but he was unconsious for about 3 weeks so I didn't think much. Mundine is a boxer, he focusss on boxing, he has more natural athletic talent in his foreskin (if he still has one since he converted to Muslim) than Ozkan has in his body. If Gurkan is to go anywhere, ii has to be through boxing achievement which he hasnt got yet. HIS 50 ODD KICKBOXING FIGHTS MEAN SQUAT UNTIL HE DOES!! Am I getting through yet?

Sash The Trash

[paul c]

Sash,

I do agree that it was a mismatch re soliman v cope.
But, I don't think it was the promoter trying to be a bastard. I think the guy thought that cope would go the distance and give him a good fight. But, through not as much boxing experience wouldn't have quite what it takes yet to def his fighter. Anyway, that what I felt when hearing of the bout prior to seeing it live.

As regards to your flipancy, man, can you not see it in your comment?

Sash, believe it or not some of us value your oppinions. But, you only seem to pop up to either criticise Ozkan, Michael Schiavello, or myself and Janer. Instead of talking in the forum to dissagree with us, you'll simply though out something totally out of the blue with no factual backing what so ever.

'Kickboxing record means squat' If that isn't flipant, I don't know what is.
I was offended for not only Ozkan, but for Parr, Zam, all the elite kickboxers out there.

I have yet to see you comment on anything posetive, or to start a conversation for that matter.

[paul c]

Sash, your totally missing the point.

You were talking about champ boxers being some kind of elite whose standards cannot be reached very easily.
Sure, but their titles can.

The fact is, that had Mundine won he would have been world Champion after only how many fights.

That's your unattainable and unreachable elite?
At that stage of Mundine's carreer, I personally reckon Ozkan would have been a much more dangerous fight for Ottke.



Edited by - paul c on 18 May 2003 17:08:21

[Servant]

You were offened for Parr Zambides Ozkan etc? Ummm why? THEIR KICKBOXING ACHIEVEMENTS ARE SUPERB BUT MEAN JA*K **** IN THE BOXING RING! Two different sport you see? Whatever they achieve in boxing is a totally different entity to what they did in kickboxing and will be judged accordingly.If there gonna get into a boxing hall of fame you better believe there kickboxing record won't have NOTHING to do with it. Now those of you who think the world is against Ozkan, step back breathe and think hard about this. Not once have I commented on the game without some logical backing.

[Servant]

"At that stage of Mundine's carreer, I personally reckon Ozkan would have been a much more dangerous fight for Ottke."

Thats ur opinion Paul and one with no factual backing. Ottke is true world class fighter who has beaten guys that Ozkan as a BOXER woldnt be able to hold the gym bags for. To suggest Ozkan with 2 fights would have been a harder fight for Ottke...for once Im speechless! Research Ottke and see who he has beaten Paul. Like I said thats ur opinion and flow with it if you want!



Edited by - sash on 18 May 2003 17:27:46

[paul c]

Ok,

I'm lost.
You don't think saying that their kickboxing experience shouldn't be taken into any sort of account when switching over to fight Boxing rules. You don't think saying that all this experience is equal to zero when being matched in a boxing fight is offensive?

To me, I'd see ignoring Zambidis kickboxing record and placing him in a boxing fight with a guy with only say two boxing fights as being bloody criminal and absolutely unaceptable and negligent behavior from the matchmaker and promoter. I personally believe that you know as well as I that Zams kickboxing experience would just kill a novice boxer.

Like what could be argued in defence of totally ignoring kickboxing records when matching fights. Oh, kickboxers aren't real fighters like boxers are?

So, from all this converasation I still don't get your point.

[paul c]

From that post, you didn't get that I was saying that I felt Ozkan would have been more dangerous and opponent for Ottke than Mundine was.

I meant that I think there would have been more danger of Ozkan KOing Ottke than there ever was of Mundine KOing Ottke at that stage of Mundines carreer.

At no time was I questioning Ottke's position or cred.

[Shanemfer]

I think what he could of meant is that his k/boxing record means nothing to the boxing organisations who rank the fighters. For him to be in a position to challenge Danny he would first have to have a few more fights to challenge for the oz title before even getting selected to challenge for Dannys OPBF title, unless Danny accepts an offer which i doubt as Ozkan has nothing to offer as far as Dannys career direction is concerned. He could be undisputed world kick boxing champion of the world but the boxing organisations arent going to say ok u are automatically in line for an elimination bout for a world boxing title. The only reason Mundine had a shot for the world title was cause of Ray Wheatleys influence in the IBF.
This may have came from Ozkans mouth, but where did he hear it from?? My guess is from Mundine so that would have as much substance behind it as my crusty undies.

[Servant]

shanemfer thank christ I reached someone. someone understands wat I thought was damn simple! That is EXACTLY what I have been trying to say. Specially this part:"He could be undisputed world kick boxing champion of the world but the boxing organisations arent going to say ok u are automatically in line for an elimination bout for a world boxing title." Hence my comment KB EXPERIENCE MEANS SWEEEET FAAAAARK ALLLLL!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

[paul c]

Sash,

If that is all you were trying to say, then why didn't you say it.

Only a spastic would think that your kickboxing stats are crossed over somehow.

But that's still irrelevent. Because Ozkan's kickboxing experience was a consideration when matched with Briggs.

Had he won, it could have taken him some places easier than had he started from scratch with no kickboxing experience. This is my point that I was making. And this is the point that you were disputing.

[Servant]

i was saying that Paul. shane understood it!

[bambam]

Sash Im hearing you buddy. Ozkan should not be allowed to fight Danny Green period. I am a thaiboxer it is no slap in face, a kickboxing record means squat in boxing. Daniel Dawson has turned to boxing he had to start at the bottom he is undefeated in 7 bouts he only just won the WA title. I bet the rock would belt ozkan back to bloody turkey if they fought. Why would danny green want to fight ozkan. He sure as hell wouldnt have to. At the moment ozkan is sitting at no. 10 in the aussie ranks danny is in the same slot in the IBF. I think that says is all. With the experience thing Ozkans 50 fights, an amature would rack up about 200 fights before turning pro. Its not as if they dont know whats going to happen when they get in there. Ozkan is a turning into a bit of a farce. Make a choice and stick to it. I know! why not challenge mike tyson just to prove ozkan is brave, stuff the weight limits, what the heck throw in ear biting aswell!! it would suit both of them.

Paul this is not a go at you i just dont like the way things are going with ozkan, he could do things a bit more proffessionally dont you think??

[JANER]

Sash, arent you meant to be a priest? Practise what ya preach or ill wash your mouth out with soap! lol haha

Really, you have a great ability to piss someone off. Im not baggin ya, but are you really a priest or a phsycologist? Man, you can work out eveyones soft spots... I thought I was good, but your better! HOW!?!??

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"Seriously, What the HELL did you expect?"

[JANER]

Bambam and Sash, if you have that old school of thouught that a good record and a great fight history against great fighters gives you a title shot is now all history. Why can Mundine fight a world title fighting so called no body's?? Is it cause of money and the way in which he looks good when he fights???

Mundine brings a show, and ozkan brings entertainment. DOnt you think Khoder Nasser can see that? Money and entertainment will get Ozkan very far in any combat sport.

The days of having a great record to earn you big fights are over. Im not saying Gurkan doesnt have one, but his record in boxing is very limited but his fight style is amazing.

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"Seriously, What the HELL did you expect?"

[paul c]

Bambam,

no offence taken, why would there be dude, you weren't criticising me.

Starting from the bottom.
Personally I feel it's a waste of talent. But some guys may prefer it that way. And if Dawson chose to do it like that, then good on him. Cope didn't and jumped in against Soliman too early.

Foolish perhaps, but if things go right it's a huge leap in your credibility.

[bambam]

Does any one know what mundine was ranked in the anbf when he score his first world title eliminator. If you look at who he fought and there ranks when he fought them i think you will find he did it by the book. I will do some researh and find out exactly how he managed it.

[paul c]

Bambam,

Just the info of amount of fights he had before the title would be good,
I've been looking on the net but can't seem to find it.

If I remember correctly it was below mid teens.

Also, did Mundine have an amateur career?

[Pete M]

paul
i'm nearly 100% sure he only had 10 pro fights before ottke
and it showed.

he had no ametuer background but his old man no doubt would have go him in to boxing when he was kid

[paul c]

Thanks Pete,

I just read a post on Ottke at sherdog, and it says that Ottke won his title after only his 13th pro fight. Though, he would have had an extensive amateur carreer I imagine and only turned pro when he was about 30.

[remy]

There are always new names coming up as to who would belt Gurkan hey. I don't think Gurkan would deny Dawson a fight, but I don't think Dawson would want it. And why would he, he is a middleweight. This argument has become boring.

[Pete M]

paul

i heard ottke had over 300 ametuer fights
which is a bull@#$& amount of fights

i know oscar dela whore
had over 300 and only lost five

danny green would ko ozkan
i'm sorry to say.
if ozkan was to fight green he would bite off more than he can chew

[paul c]

Wow man, that's a lot of fights.

I think I've only seen Green fight once, and that was on the Kostya undercard in Melbourne. He looked pretty strong and sharp.


I'd love to see Ozkan fight him after some more boxing experience, but like you guys have said, I too can't see Green giving Ozkan the opportunity. Unless of course they could tempt him with a truckload of cash.

Ozkan has been getting better and better in his last few fights, Tsakonas, Watt, and Stan. He's now sparring Mundine, which I think is great, slicker hands would no doubt come in handy in his fight with Zam. But that's still a long time away and Ozkan needs to keep active, and it is pretty hard for them to find him kickboxing fights. I personally feel that his fight with Zam will draw almost as big an audience as his fight with Stan. So if he gets some good boxing fights in, than that's got to be good for him. I personally would rather see him concentrating on Super Middle-weight kickboxing fights, so I hope he doesn't spend too much time boxing.

[The Rhino]

Why is Mundine trying to get Ozkan to step up to Danny Green??
Why doesn't he just fight him himself or is he using Ozkan to test the water?

[Fists_of_Fury]

Rhino, you hit the nail on the head. Mundine is using Gurkan to test the water.

[Shanemfer]

Only yard stick we have is Mundine and (Ozkan i think both went the distance with Stenton, Danny in his 5th fight ended it in round 2.

[Servant1]

Bottom line is ozkan will have no chance in a world title eliminator!

[paul c]

I can understand the scepticism fellas, but I think Ozkan will always have a punchers chance, even at the skill level of his last boxing fight. If I remember correctly Ozkan was a sparring partner for Mundine a couple of times, and I think I also read that he'd sparred with Briggs. I'm no expert, but reckon this will come in extremelly handy for Zam, even if the title elim doesn't happpen, I don't think Gurkan has anything to loose from a couple of boxing fights betweeen now and Zambidis. I have a feeling that that fight will consist of mostly bombing hands toe to toe from both guys.

[Servant1]

paul c

Like i have said before ozkan is going to need all the expiriance he can get in a boxing ring before he steps into the ring with iron mike!

[JANER]

LmAO, Superkick!!! What are you on brother!? Its more like Zambidis needs all the experience that has to overcome Ozkan!!

- Ozkan has been fighting for 10 years
- Ozkan is a natural fighter at 82kg
- Ozkan has alot more power
- Ozkan can knock out heavyweights
- Ozkan has mixed it up with the best heavyweights
- Ozkan has had over 60 fights

Zambdis will be carrying alot more weight than his other fights ans will he lose his fitness?? Zam is taking revenge and I dont think thats a good thing.. Getting Ozkan fired up is a dead rite no no! IF Ozkan exploads he will knock out anyone!! And what is a little overweight fighter at 82kg gonna do to Mr Ozkan?

So your telling me Zam has the advantage? Come one, dont be silly!

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"Seriously, What the HELL did you expect?"

[JANER]

Do you think Zambidis would last 8 rounds with Paul Briggs?

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"Seriously, What the HELL did you expect?"

[sethridge]

youve got a point there janer.. theres no way zam could last with briggs for 8 rounds of boxing.

[Servant1]

JANER

It seems to me u have verry little knowlige about iron mikes fighting background, do you now about his fighting history before he came to mellbourne, (i didntn think so) well way dont u chase it up before u talk about ozkans statistics.

YOULL BE SUPPRISED TRUST ME!!!!!!!!

Theres a little homework for u to do, that should keep u busy, look up same real fighters for once!

Ooohh by the way iron mike done it him self, un like same having tarik on there side, fixing fights and spoon feeding them and making them into papper champions.


SUPERKICK

[JANER]

Ozkan a paper champion? What a load of baloney. For the following fights EVERYONE was tipping his oppoenent to kill him:

- Paul Briggs in boxing
- Stan Longinidis
- Adam Watt
- CHangpuek Kiatsongrit
- Etc etc etc many many more to mention

Surely if Gurkan was a paper champion everyone would have picked Ozkan before the fight.. Gurkan a paper champion? Seriously bro, that has got to be the funniest slurr I have heard against Gurkan.

Gurkan is the typical Rocky story. From rags and no respect to unbelievble victories and great exposure. Gurkan has started from the bottom and worked his way to beating the top elite fighters.

I wont waste my time calling greece to finding out Zam's boxing career, so why dont you show everyone or tell everyon what his career actually was... Please give us Zambidis Background.

Ill be waiting for your response. And when you have time please place your thoughts as to why you think Zam would last against Paul Briggs as Ozkan did in a boxing fight.

You may be religious and follow the ancient story of David and Goliath, but seriously Zambidis has alot to overcome the bigger man. Im not saying he has NO CHANCE, but what I am saying is, Iron Mike is the one who needs to be at his best moreso than Gurks.

I still cant get over paper champion!!!!!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>:)

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"Seriously, What the HELL did you expect?"

[JANER]

hahahahah paper champion!!! Surely no-one can agree to that!

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[Servant1]

JANER

I do agree with u that ozkan is the typical Rocky srory because wene he fights, espesialy the big names u now even before the fight who is going to win. The fight is exacly like a movie script, only he has to do it right the first time cos theres no take two. Hes prety good at it, maby he should get into acting.

I thing his best performance was against stan i think he should get an oscar for than one. (come on mate u really dont think that was a reall fight do u, anyone with half a brain and a little knowlige in kickboxing now that)

As in zambitisis fighting backround i told u to look it up so u can have the prevlige of looking up a decent, honest and good fighter i told u ull be suprised. (i cant spoon feed u as well!)

As in ozkan fighting briggs i didnts see the fight so i cant comment!

As i have said before zambitis is to strong and fit for ozkan, so ozkan is going to have to be at his best. Also zambitis can kick wich ozkan cant, he may think he can, but he can think all he wants cos HE CANT KICK FOR ****! And if this fight is going to be fought mostly with the hands ozkan better wach out for the vicious strong combemations from zambitis!

No doubt it will be a good fight, but lets hope politics dont get involved in this one and we have a fair dissision and no doubt if all goes as it should zam will be victorios!

JANER i still stand by what i say ozkan is a paper champion, as in fighting good fighters, will see how he goes against iron mike!


SUPERKICK

[sethridge]

I have to agree i think ozkan is a paper champ.. a real champ fights other champions which ozkan does not.. author skanous is no champ and neither is stan "present day" and adam watt didnt even try we all could see that... and you go on and on about CHAUNGPUEK big deal theres guys in QLD and SA and WA who have fought 10-15 thais.. and chris chrisopaledis couldnt fight for **** when he fought ozkan" which ozkan lost i believe".. and iam sorry but these guys that ozkan has fought in his glory days "except jacobs" didnt have half the skill as the top ranked fighters these daYS.. and ozkan knows it.. whens he gonna fight a REAL world class champion whos in their prime at his own weight. i bet never. i dont mean to put the guy down he is a great tough fighter but you guys in melbourne honestly think hes the best and cant be beat.. ill believe when he steps up and fights some world class champions.. and i think zam is a good step towards being the world champ he proclaims to be.. but just remember baris,cope,jenk and JWP have all fought zam with no hesitations cuz their champions they fight champions.. so dont make out that ozkan is bravest gutsiest fighter to ever live cuz hes fighting zam.. like i know alot of VICS will. cuz its been done... and personlly i hope zam wins BUT i think ozkan would win this battle, i just think hes got the tools to win.. as did cope and JWP..

[krama]

Janer - stirring the pot again!!

Mike has had over 50 pro /amat boxing fights - dont know the win loss ratio but I'm sure it would be immpressive - from what I know he started in boxing and progressed to Kickboxing - thus his amazing punching power -
it is in mikes favor to fight a 'puncher' more so than a thai fighter - just recall back to thr Mike Tyson days - short powerfull fighter who came underneath the tall fighters and kicked arse
I believe Zam wnot have a problem fighting someone like Briggs - you all seem to forget just how hard this guy punches!!! - THINK OF WHAT HE DID TO f16 Forrester! he destroyed him within two rounds!! and word is Forrester has sparred with Briggs -
again - I definetly won't rule out ZAM but I wont agree that he will get whipped from Ozkan.

[SPADA]

Sethridge... you also forgot about Warren Elson and Trevor Ambrose.
Both of these guys stopped Ozkan.
Ozkan lost the super middleweight title to Ambrose.He seems to be put off his rythem easily.Appears to get frustrated into looking for the big KO.Since training with Paul Fyfield he has turned into a better fighter.
But I would have to say that a match between Ozkan and Zambidis
could go either way.( If under K1 rules )

*both are known big punchers
*both have limited knee experince
It will all come down to WHO lands a telling blow 1st.
What would be interesting is to see who's corner would Tarik be in???

ZAMBIDIS

power *****
technique ****
chin ****
knees **
kicks ****
punches *****
stamina ***
total 27

OZKAN

power *****
technique ***
chin ****
knees **
kicks ***
punches *****
stamina ***
total 25

I scored Zambidis better with kicks..cause he has stopped opponents
with his kicks to the head.

cheers Spada

[allanf]

ZAMBIDIS

Power *****
Technique *****
Chin ***
Knees **
Kicks ****
Punches ****
Stamina ***
TOTAL = 26

OZKAN
Power *****
Chin *****
Knees **
Kicks ****
Punches *****
Stamina ***
TOTAL = 24

Zambidis has the upper hand, but it will all come down to who will land tha big 1, and i think it will Be Ozkan that will be landing it.

[Pete M]

GO GURKAN!!!!!

[paul c]

I think we also have to aknowledge that Ozkan has about 7 inches height advantage guys. Though, it will be nothing new to Mike I guess. But what will be new I think is trying to get within punching reach of such a big hitter.

It's going to be interesting that's for sure.



Edited by - paul c on 29 May 2003 13:03:00

[Dynamite Drew]

For once I am in agreement with Janer

Ozkan can definitely hold his own against good boxers , not just in boxing but in kickboxing as well

I remember when Ozkan was amateur world champion and he fought Mark May ( lost 1st , won rematch ) , and Mark May was a very accomplished boxing narrowly missing olympic games selection.
Both fights went the distance ( total 14 rounds ) and Ozkan was the only one to score a knockdown ( in rematch ), and as anyone who has followed kickboxing for a long time , Mark May was tuff guy to beat , he could take as well as he could give. ( Janer , im sure you know these bouts )

As for Zambidis , i havent seem much of him fight , but i think Ozkan will have just too much power for him

My money is on an Ozkan win , and would be tempted to put money on a win by KO

cheers
Dynamite Drew

We who are truely brave will never live in fear!

Edited by - Dynamite Drew on 29 May 2003 17:51:02

[krama]

Dynamite - how can you even hope to give a reliable prediction when you haven't even seen ZAM fight?

Too much power?? ZAM has simply amazing power for his size and weight as well! he has legitimately Ko'd and destroyed many a fighter without controversy or some gun ho promoter trainer deciding the outcome.
I'm sure you have seen John Wayne Parr fight - ZAM who is half his height took all JWP could give and then gave it back just as hard.

[Dynamite Drew]

krama

i said i havent seen much of Zambidis , read my post again !!!!!

i have seen a couple of his fights on tape , and from what i have seen i came about my thoughts

cheers
Dynamite Drew

We who are truely brave will never live in fear!

[JAMESG]

Danny Green beat Delisle. He doesn't need to fight anyone else in Australia.
He shouldn't wait any more and fight in his own back yard, he needs to venture out of the fissh tank into the ocean and get some real international experience under his belt. The problem with us Aussies is we want all our local boys to fight each other. How is it that Ozkan deserves to fight Danny Green anyway. He isn't even ranked???


OSU

[JANER]

Ozkan style of fight negates his reason for any 'ranking' of sort to fight a good fighter like Green.

All of Ozkans fights in the last 10 years have always been the main recipe of a great Solak fight night, and I believe Khoder knows Gurkans reputation.

PS - Danny Green and Mundine are both my favourite Boxers in Australia.

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"Seriously, What the HELL did you expect?"

[JANER]

If you watched the Lewis V Vitali fight today, like the "kernel" said....

"if there is money, there is ALWAYS a way for a match up!"

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"Seriously, What the HELL did you expect?"