I think tarik has this web side in his pocket to!

[Servant1]

I posted a repley on a topic wich was against tarik and his pecformace as a promoter and someone decided to delete it.

So i guess that tarik has control over this site as well. I thought that this web site was so evry one can express there opinion and we can all have a say no matter what each persons opinon is or wich way is sways.

I dont hate the guy i just think that he sould get out of the kickboxing promotions because he is distroying the sport (to much politics involved).

I had once herd him say he was going to get into music tour promotions etc. Well maybe he can move on to that, thats just a one way street u bring a bad over thay perform thay go home. He will be more sutited for that, not having to over-rule judges, allways having fighters pull out on the night and throwing tantrims at the crowd.

He would be better moving on so we can see some fights like the old days, well mached up, clean fights, fair fights and fair dicisions at the end of them!

Well thats my opinion no offence to anyone but i think we are all entitled ot our own opinion.


SUPERKICK

[ShinSlinger]

Yes he does, and its not hard to understand why when you think about it...

[Chloe]

he should also try updating his website every now and then too

[harls]

Superkick, I have the same opinion as you do about Tarik. I think he has friends in high places in the KB world that look out for him, so MAYBE this is an example of that.

[ShinSlinger]

MAYBE? Your kidding right???

Lots of comments get made about shows and promoters that are less then favourable and the threads remain. Make one less then favorable comment about Tarik and the thread disappears. Looks pretty obvious to me...

I wonder if this thread will also disappear?

ShinSlinger

[Chloe]

lol i say it will disappear, who wants to bet? Besides it can't completely disappear, there is always that little thing called history.... you can easily pull the page back up again and save it... some sneaky little thing to do when you come across a good thread that you know will disappear.......

[JANER]

Do you like blisters from wooden seats in your ass Superkick?

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"Seriously, What the HELL did you expect?"

[harls]

Shinslinger, just being diplomatic when I say MAYBE! I agree it is very obvious. Janer, I'd prefer wooden seats that give you a pain in the ass, then go to Melb town hall where the parking is a pain in the ass!

[ShinSlinger]

I would prefer to have a sore arse from the seat then from having a sore arse from being bent over with censorship.


ShinSlinger

[Servant]

Tarik has his little gophers "cleaning" things up superkick. You know those little but licking gophers?? remember how Lucy Tui got crucified once by one such gopher (the king of all gophers acually) after one of her shows yet Tarik and cronies get red carpet treatment. The gophers dont have an opinion when Tarik De Niro threatens a crowd. Now play nice The gophers are watching!<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

[SPADA]

Totally agree guys.I know people have to obey their boss at times...but freedom of speech?

[Servant1]

Sash your right on the money those gophers couldent tell there heads from there asses, but i better play nice cos thay are whaching its just like Tarik is there BIG BTOTHER (THE GOPHERS ARE WATCHING)!!!!

SPADA i totally agree to, we need freedom of speach,were in the 2000's not in same vilage in turky 50 years ago.

Ooops better play nice, i forgot thay are whaching!!!!!!

[ShinSlinger]

This is all pretty funny really.

Have you ever noticed that every major company has a customer service department? And why would that be do you think? So customers can provide feedback to the company on products and services. Good (and profitable) companies pay attention to what the customer have to say, and target their products to respond to customer demands. They tabulate all customer feedback, and acknowedge that they may have done things differently, and implement processes to see that they do not make the same mistakes again (in order to keep customer satisfaction high and therefore generate repeat business and new business through word of mouth).

This also creates the perception that the company cares and gives customers a "warth and fuzzy" feeling.

So how does it feel when a thread gets deleted when it has critisised a certian promoter? It gives the distinct impression that that promoter does not give a "rats arse" about his paying customers. Will this generate repeat business from me? No. From anyone else? Maybe, but most likely not.

Have a look at the JNI thread. I have never met John before in my light, but look at the shows he is promoting in NSW...simply awesome, and full Muay Thai as well. This is clearly promotional leadership at its best, and will be interesting to see what other promoter quickly loose their association with other santioning bodies and come on board with WMC. This is the type of show that I will support as it has so many great fights on the card, not just the main fight.

If this is not the location to give customer feedback, and the Tarik site is also not the location, where do we give it? And will anyone listen????

ShinSlinger

[Chloe]

indeed the gophers maybe watching and yes you may need to be nice to a certain extent, the internet is a big place things may disapear but it's not possible for them to completely disapear. There is always a way around things you just need to find it. The key is you need to be smart not necessarily nice....

[Chloe]

ShinSlinger, there is a word for what you typed well actually 2... constructive critism.... people need critism and to better their service for their customers and thus their revenue and sales will increase.

[ShinSlinger]

Chloe,

Totally agree, filter out the emotion (if any), find the facts and action accordingly.

[Adam Houlahan]

what does admin think about this

[admin]

If you have a beef with Tarik and would like to tell him that he shouldn't be in the sport, then why not email him:

k1oceania@bigpond.com

or ring him

(03) 9333 1000

I'm sure he'd be only too glad to hear from you. He doesn't read this website so don't expect any answers from him on here.

:)

Michael Schiavello
- Editor -
International Kickboxer
Fox Sports
SKY TV NZ

[Adam Houlahan]

Hello Micheal,
I mean what does Admin think about filtering things from the site if they would lean toward or against a person. No beefs with anyone. I'd just like to know if someone wants something removed, is that an option even if they didn't post it, provided it meets the guidlines of forum etiquette (excuse my spelling)
Thanks
Aggressor

[admin]

Hi Adam

Sure mate, if someone wants something deleted for a reason and can explain that reason, then it will be deleted. This has happened to several threads... have you noticed the Nathan Corbett thread is gone? So too is the one that once threatened Janer? So too are several others.
Like I have said in the past, let's all just be mature and talk positively and not always try to **** stir and cause trouble. At the end of the day I'm not impressed by people who start trouble on here yet don't have the coglioni's to post under their real name. And I know the argument that message boards allow for anonymity, but fair is fair -- if you're going to bag out someone, they have the face to at least do it under your real name.
So many people have openly bagged fighters on here - but would they do so to their face? Same with bagging promoters?
Use this board positively, not just for a **** stir.

Michael Schiavello
- Editor -
International Kickboxer
Fox Sports
SKY TV NZ

[Servant1]

Admin

In prety sure that the information that gets posted on hear gets to tariks ears!!!! (just by looking who the admin is)

If u wont to srart giving out a number for people to complain u better make it a hot line budy not just a normal land line because the phone will be running hot!!!!!

Like i have said before, i dont have beef with tarik as an individual, just conserned about the sport and were its heading cos at the moment its not looking to good and i think a lot pepole will agree on that.

And as a reply to peole bagging promoters in there face, well someone did in the last fights in front of a crowd, so i heard but i wasnt there to see it cos my money is hard erned and i dont like to through it way, i like to get value for my money!!!!

[JANER]

Superkick you seem like a wise man or maybe not? But why cant you see that the guy who blasted Tarik in the crowd wasnt the right way to go about it!? Of course if someone told me to suck there c o ck in front of a huge crowd and important people sitting around wouldnt stirr you up?

If you have a serious concern give that number a call and make your point worthwhile.

If Tarik isnt doing a good job, why is he doing the following:

- FIlling up Vodaphone Arena
- Getting exposure from the main stream media i.e. Channel 7 and TV ADS
- Editorials in the Herald Sun

Surely for someone who is ruining the sport is dooing so bad? As for Tarik reading all this, he cant read. SO give him a buzz!!!

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"Seriously, What the HELL did you expect?"

[admin]

Superkick, I am not commenting on Tarik's behaviour, I am simply giving you a direct contact so you can voice your opinion to him.

There is a difference between constructive criticism and someone hurling obscenities and abuse up in a balcony.

Like I said, if you want to complain and you wish to vent your frustrations and you feel strongly enough that tarik is not doing things to your liking for the sport, then here are the details again:

(03) 9333 1000

k1oceania@bigpond.com

You can talk as much as you want to about it on here, but the fact is that he doesn't read this site, my suggestion is you email him or call him and voice your concerns.

Cheers

Michael Schiavello
- Editor -
International Kickboxer
Fox Sports
SKY TV NZ

[Adam Houlahan]

Thanks for the info Micheal,
Aggressor

[Servant1]

JANER

Im not saing that abuse in front of a crowd is the right way to go about it, but the guy must have had same big coglioni's (reffering to admins coment) imagine the guys fustration. What about the other pepole that dont have the colioni's to say anything, thay just dont show up to the next show,simple, maby thats there way of expresing there feelings of what thay think, colioni's isnt the only way to go, pepole express there fellings in different ways.

Im just conserned about the sport and were its heading because its not getting any better and the pepole are not happy and thats a FACT!!!!

As in getting exposure in the media its who you know not what u know evryone knows that!!!!

ADMIN

As in making a complaint, its just like complaing to the wolfs way the cheep are going missing, thay realy dont care as long as there stomachs are full and there huppy.


SUPERKICK

[Servant1]

Adim and janer

Im verry suprised that u dont have a responce to this!!!!!!!!

[Goku]

Dear tarik,

On fight night you are a fight promoter.
The patrons on the night are your clients.
Why can't we just leave it at "the customer is always right"??

I personally would never scream such obscenities, but it was in the heat of the moment that those words were projected your way.

You're a professional, you're supposed to ignore sh*t from the crowd.
Why take things personally?
Don't let your pride get in the way of your professionalism.
People will respect you more for being a gentleman rather than a gangster.

Sometimes you take sh*t too far!!!

Sincerely, Goku...<img src=icon_smile_clown.gif border=0 align=middle>

[Lucy Tui]

Hi Goku & superkick, regardless of what you guys say about Tarik he has the monopoly on the sport and the sport is going places it is the judging that needs to be rectified, by the looks of things not only in NSW but in Melbourne also..now that is something that the Martial Arts board would have to do something about also the NSW Boxing board, as a current promoter in this sport and a person who supports Tariks promotions and been involved with his shows in the past I can only wish him all the best for his next promotion on July 27th K1 at the Melbourne Town Hall...If only you guys knew how much hard work is put into these shows...
You would appreciate Tarik more....You guys have your right to your opinion and I have my opinion as well and as a Promoter
and a friend he is a good bloke and has supported me 100% in the sport...
Regards
Lucy Tui

[Goku]

Hy lucy,
I dont take anything away from Tarik in those regards, he's helped the sport in big ways. I take my hat off to him for the effort it must take to pull his shows off, and i dont doubt that he's probably a good bloke. It's just that some of his actions are really unessesary, and shows of that calibre with all the attention and exposure they receive cant afford the contraversy of the H.H. vs Gladiator fight.
Its just too unprofessional.
I'm sorry, but i refuse to accept that Tarik had nothing to do with the decision of that fight!!!!

[krama]

Lucy - a forum member recently wrote that the Papua New G ovnt was providing Tarik or an associate funds to assist with his fighting game - campaign -
I have no idea if this is true or not - but if it is its b u l l s h i t as it would in itself put presure on Tarik to ensure HH would win -
its bordeing on naivety to suggets Tarik had no influence on the decision that night.

[Goku]

Godbless you Krama!
I'm glad you brought that up
I mean... How freakin obvious is it!!!!
I can't beleive others didnt pick up on it, Tarik was practically selling tickets for HH next gig.

[Goku]

Correct me if i'm wrong anyone, but didnt taik announce that there would be a rematch BEFORE they gave the decision?
It's as if he new Evan won and offered him a rematch as a consilation prize... More like a slap in the face!!!!!

Tarik doesnt feel sorry for anyone... buisness is buisness!!

[SDM]

The 'Licence to Thrill' show will be a good replay to see, after all this hype, what will be edited, who will get the decision in the end etc, i think it's on friday week on fox (in NSW).... i'm lookin forward to it anyway.

Just touching on the 'the sport is going in the wrong direction' thing, wasn't there a post not very long ago asking us what direction the sport SHOULD be goin in? There was & it got 6 replies! Everyone has somethin to say about how wrong its going but struggle a little bit to comment on where it SHOULD go.

Just an observation, i know it's borderline in this case but isn't any publicity good publicity? (I'm sure that'll be disputed-which is quite alright with me!!!)

PEACE

[Chloe]

The Licence to Thrill replay will be shown on Fox Sports 1 at 8.30pm on Friday 30 May 2003 for those who wish to watch it

[harls]

SDM, I did notice that particular thread got a very average response. Well I put in my two cents worth anyway, but i think alot of people(myself included) have put in their opinions many times before in similar threads and are sick and tired of repeating themselves. I can see their point too, because it doesn't seem to make a difference. Tarik seems to be happy with how his shows are going and doesn't seem interested in evolving(K-1 excluded).

[paul c]

Very true SDM,

The only bad publicity is wrong doing in business transaction,
And interfering with those under age. Though, even this didn't really hinder Roman Polanski's carreer.

Check out what the Hugh Grant / Devine Brown incident did for Hugh's career.

Another couple of examples, Monica Lewinski is now a t.v personality.
O.J Simpson even after a double murder is wanted on Television.

If your a public figure, the worst thing that can happen to you is that people stop talking about you.

I don't know if you guys remember the crap that was thrown at the media, espescially at photographers after the Lady Di accident.
Actress Sharon Stone was one of the foremost speaking out against tabloids and calling them scum. So the paparazi got togeteher and decided to boycott her, and they kept it up for several years. She very quickly went from super-star to has-been that's now ridiculed for quick about face. The poor dear got so desperate that she would wait for E to start interviewing some other personality and then throw herself into the picture.

I know it's all pretty ironic, but the people critical are doing as much for Tarik as those praising him. For a sport so small, the internet can mean a hell of a lot.
Several years ago no one on international forums like the ax outside Australia knew who Tarik Solak was, but today he's probably regarded as the second biggest kickboxing promoter in the world by most knowledgeable international kickboxing fans.




Edited by - paul c on 21 May 2003 15:24:52

[SDM]

Yes, Paul C, very very good points there. Really publicity is just that, no matter whether it's k/boxing, hollywood, ice skating, toe nail biting whatever. If it's getting airplay or promotion in some way then it sure is publicity so i fully take your points on board there....

[SPADA]

The guy is here to stay for a while guys....
We are getting better fight cards coming out of other states with
nothing to do with Tarik.
Tarik might be able to get the big name fighters... but from a viewing point,his under card fights fall well below par.

cheers Spada

[Lucy Tui]

<img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle>I agree with Pauls and some of the other comments made from you guys, but honestly I know the judges that were judging that night and they are definetly not fans of Tariks trust me...one of the judges is actually a big fan of Evans and he scored against him so all we can do is look at the replay next week.....
Goku,Krama,SDM,Spada, all i can say is you guys have your right to your opinions and agree with some of your comments..
Been a proffessional in any game helps the image of the sport,
I must say I do disagree with some of the things Tarik does as far as the $2million he gets to promote Stanley nandex in PNG
in October didn't help the decision either..but I am sure that did not influence the judges 2 of the judges told me the same reasons why they chose Stanley Nandex, I have known them for a long time and find them very respectable people....
LETS SEE WHAT THE REPLAY BRINGS......
Regards
Lucy Tui
Ps* I beleive the sport is headed in the right direction..
IT IS THE JUDGING THAT NEEDS TO BE RECTIFIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_clown.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle> THEN YOU WILL SEE THE SPORT GO PLACES....
Regards
Lucy Tui:)

[SDM]

I just wanted to say that i think the last point made my Lucy Tui about the judging & the sport's direction couldn't be more correct. I totally agree with that.

PEACE

[Servant1]

Lucy Tui

Who are u trying to kid, you really think that tarik didnt have an effect on the dission!!!!!!!!

I mean come on i think your only kiddind ur self!

[Lucy Tui]

:)Hi Superkick,

I am not trying to kid anyone just telling you how it is...
Regards
Lucy Tui

[Servant1]

Lucy Tui

Well a lot of pepole are thinking other wise and i realy dont blame them!!!!

SUPERKICK