dropping weight

[Rock5]

hi all, just after peoples best ways to drop weight quickly like using sauna etc. as i have 5kg to lose in 2 weeks any help much appreciated

[Bushi]

If it's for a fight your trainer should already haev a program for you to cut weight, otherwise, move to Melbourne 40+ degrees for the rest of the week, currently 36 as I type...

[scottya]

get off the net & start running :)

[scottya]

quote:Originally posted by TAO @ JTS



Warning!: this is probably my longest rambling session ever, and i didnt even say everything i wanted to. you might want to get a cuppa before attempting to get thru all this.

dropping weight... another process that if done wrong can be a disaster for the fighter. there are many interpretations on how to drop weight successfully. firstly, with your opponent being lighter... is he 3-4kg lighter than your fighting weight or just your everyday weight??? if he's 3-4 kg below your normal fighting weight your in for a rough ride trying to make that weight. if it's just your normal everyday weight, then it should be too hard. the advantage you have is that your opponent wont be going through a tough weight making process and will probably weigh in at his normal weight. if it's a 24hr weigh in you'll be laughing cos you'll naturally be alot bigger in the ring. (but dont let size give you too much of a false sense of security)... if he's agreed to fight and give away the weight he's probably confident that he can afford to...

now dropping weight. okay . if this is the first time you've had to drop this much for a fight,you need to pay attention to your body for the whole process incl. during and after the fight. some people have no problem losing a large amount of weight and some do. you will have heard probably a 1000 stories about fighters losing too much weight and having no energy, and/or lacking any sort of focus when fighting. but like i said you might have no problem and you might find out that you can fight comfortably at a lower weight category than you thought.

with so many theories on losing weight, like the fight diet thread you'll probably get alot of different opinions and interpretations. but mine go like this, and we've used these methods effectively for many fights.

in the last week... (well we're past that mark for you at this stage but still... for the future) take carbs out of your diet after 3pm. so have a carb brekky and a moderately carb'd lunch, but then only a small "carb free" meal in the evening. or if you like a carb free protein shake for dinner. by doing this you'll get then protein you need to retain muscle strength but you'll burn fat rather than source energy from the carbs. in the last week this can help you to drop a kilo in itself. especially since you'll be training like a demon in this last week. as far as you food is concerned dont eat too little. the common misconception is that if you eat less you lose weight. but the body doesn't really work like that... well it does, but not the way you want it to. if you dont get enough calories your body will generally tend to drop muscle first before it risks losing it energy stores (Fat) if you freak your body out by cutting it's food intake by half, your primal functioning brain will actually try to store fat as it wont know how long this food shortage will last for that you've just introduced. remember just cos you know what your doing and why, your body might not see it that way. SO... get enough food in the last week (up til two days before that is). so what foods are good you might ask... well high protein low carb foods are the best for this week, but added to this incl. foods like asparagus, onions and garlic, chilli, beetroot, radishes, alphalfa (spelling?) sprouts, and especially apple cider vineger... your probably thinking, i hate these foods and what the F is he on about, and the answer is - these are all diurectic foods and apple cider vineger is one of the strongest. these foods will assist in releasing water that's stored in the cells. basically the majority of the weight you want to lose for the weigh in, is "water". these foods help do that... and they are still nutritious... NOW what i'll say now will probably make you think "WHAT THE F*#K" and i was suprized also but, in the last week drink 2-3lt of SPRING WATER everyday (again up til two days before the weigh in). DONT DRINK TAP WATER!!! tap water has a high level of sodium in it and sodium causes the body to retain water. by drinking 2-3 litres everyday your body will be willing to flush out the water on the last two days. by staying well hydrated it also makes it easier for the body to drop water... seems odd but its true.

okay... the day before the weigh in. today reduce the amount of the food you're eating but not the quality. no carbs at all today. and especailly NO WHEAT. it'll also make you store water. today three small glasses (shot glass size) of apple cider vineger. it will also help to drop more water, but today still drink about 1 ltr of spring water. for dinner only have a tomato soup with no cream, just plain watery soup. make it yourself too, dont buy a tinned one they're all too high in sodium. bedtime...sleep warm.

day of the weigh in... today. sorry bro, 1 boiled egg for brekky and if you drink it, a short black coffee. if you have a sweat suit put it on, if you dont... cut some holes in a garbage bag and chuck that on cos you're going for a run... actually you're going for a jog, DONT PUSH IT TO HARD. keep an eye on your weight all day, and aim to make weight about 1hr before the weigh in. dont make weight at 8am if the weigh in is a 6pm. you dont want to be dehydrated all day. you aim to be dehydrated for the shortest amount of time possible. if you are lower than you need to be at the time have another boiled egg.

try not to go to the sauna. they take too long to lose the weight and they make you feel like 5hit. they tend to make you lose energy too. always try to sweat whilst being active rather than inactive. hence the sweat suit. sweat while jogging and you'll lose more weight in a shorter amount of time, and it wont make you feel so tired. also dont go for long runs. it's annoying drying off and stripping down every 15mins but atleast you dont end up well under the weight desired.

lastly, added to all this. run in sweatsuit or garbage bag every night of the week of the fight. keep rugged up while you run and train with a hoodie on, but keep the water intake up while training (small regular sips...obviously).

NOW THE MOST IMPORTANT... you'll be a grumpy 5hit for most of the week and more so in the last two days. try not to snap at you girlfriend or and especially your trainer who's probably taking you through hell itself... making weight is part of fighting and it gets easier as you get familiar with it.

MOST IMPORTANTLY, listen to your body!!! if you get really faint or feel sick when you're running- STOP. dont F*#K yourself up trying to make weight. if it's impossible to do - DONT do it. after all its just a fight. but over dehydrating, etc can mess you up for a long time. also if your trainer isnt familiar with these methods its best to avoid them... you want the person who's watching over you to know what they're doing at all times.



CHOK DEE
TAO (JOOK)

PS to cover my arse here. consult a doctor before trying this. this info is just my opinion and you should check with a doc before trying any of it.




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[KLP]

JWP shared his experience with cutting weight in Vol.16 No.5 of IK Mag (page 64)

[bajnh]

Just move up a division or two and save the hassles

[souljah]

kfc a couple of weeks out always seem to drop the weight:D

[imported_n/a]

DJ i once knew this guy who had to lose 3 kilos in 2 days....[:p]

[Q]

Hey Rock, are you fighting?
If you are fighting how many fights have you had?

The reason I ask this is I was thinking about this last night for some reason and got a complex.

Why dont fighters fight in weight divisions anymore?
And why are inexperienced fighters losing weight for fights?
I can understand JWP going down heaps to get to 72.5, that is where the money is for him and he is a pro who has a lot of experience at dropping the weight (also the secret is out beers between rounds)
But I cant understand why so many fighters are having to drop weight.

I would think that when you start fighting lets say you weigh 74kg, then your first few fights would be say Super middle gives you a couple of kg's to move but it looks as though some people are thinking OK I'll fight Middle and just drop the weight, then come fight time either too heavy or completely stuffed from the suana and run.

But again it seems that weight divisions are not really used too often anymore besides Middle weight and heavyweight.

[Bushi]

It's an age old question / theory.

It seems to me, most MT fights are at agreed weights, and at the top / max allowed under the weight division. Obviously the "bigger" you are under the agreed weight division after weigh in is of benefit.

I have of recent weeks watched a few local KB dvd's, and also noted often on results posted here, the local KB fights often have weight variances, some times up to 3-4 kg's. It obviously makes sense that the heavier fighter would have some advantage...

At the end of the day, there are weight divisions under most sanctoins, but the trend is to fight it seems at the maximum under the "agreed" weight.

So you either cut wieght to make it or fight in a heavier division.

(disclaimer)not having a crack at KB, just making an observation;)

[jarhead]

my friend said that he got rid off 5 kilos in one phone call

[BMT]

Im on an alcoholic diet. Ive lost 3 days this week!

[Rickstar]

5 kilos in 2 weeks is almost standard at my gym i think.. Both Moxon and myself use something along the lines of this link just with small variations.
http://www.grapplearts.com/How-to-Cut-Weight.html

[Bushi]

quote:Originally posted by Rickstar

5 kilos in 2 weeks is almost standard at my gym i think.. Both Moxon and myself use something along the lines of this link just with small variations.
http://www.grapplearts.com/How-to-Cut-Weight.html
LOL,

Ironically Ricky, appreciate your openess on the other thread about not wanting to grapple, but you cut weight off a site called grapplearts...:D

At the end of the day, if you are fighting, a "good" trainer should be able to guide you in the right direction, that is part of what a trainer does!

[KL]

If you do go to the sauna, try shadow boxing inside, and every 10 mins, get out, jump in the cold pool, then dry down, and measure your weight.

And remember that you'll keep losing weight after you shower, dry yourself completely and rest. So just lose enough weight that you're maybe 500g over - a couple of times, I've ended up losing too much weight...

Then, as soon as you setp off the scales, start eating. Custard pies are my favourite at this stage, to cheer me up. And it freaks out your opponent, for some reason.

[Q]

Just trained in my gym (big tin shed) pretty sure I lost a couple kg's, man it feels like Thailand here in Melbourne at the moment, just need to find an 80c beer now

[Hironaka]

quote:Originally posted by zdkbushido
At the end of the day, if you are fighting, a "good" trainer should be able to guide you in the right direction, that is part of what a trainer does!


Or any self-conscious chick getting married in a week.

[scottya]

quote:Originally posted by Fight Journo

Just trained in my gym (big tin shed) pretty sure I lost a couple kg's, man it feels like Thailand here in Melbourne at the moment, just need to find an 80c beer now

You more likly left your wallet behind

[Q]

quote:Originally posted by scottya

quote:Originally posted by Fight Journo

Just trained in my gym (big tin shed) pretty sure I lost a couple kg's, man it feels like Thailand here in Melbourne at the moment, just need to find an 80c beer now

You more likly left your wallet behind


Wallet, what wallet you need money and credit cards to have one of them, also check your email

[scottya]

Dont send me that trash ever again
Your a dirty old man im putting you on my blocked list

[Q]

YOU LOVED IT

[Rickstar]

quote:Originally posted by zdkbushido

quote:Originally posted by Rickstar

5 kilos in 2 weeks is almost standard at my gym i think.. Both Moxon and myself use something along the lines of this link just with small variations.
http://www.grapplearts.com/How-to-Cut-Weight.html
LOL,

Ironically Ricky, appreciate your openess on the other thread about not wanting to grapple, but you cut weight off a site called grapplearts...:D

At the end of the day, if you are fighting, a "good" trainer should be able to guide you in the right direction, that is part of what a trainer does!


Didnt even notice Bushi but thanks for the heads up- It was a tip off from Hiro a year or two back..

[Hellfighter]

as to the comment about the sauna/shadow boxing/cold water/scales... as soon as you step out of the sauna, get towelled down and the weigh-in... cold water will get soaked up by your body due to the heat transfer

once you're happy with your weight-drop, then shower

[KL]

Hellfighter - I have been told this a few times, but I've found that you lose weight quicker with the jumps in cold water... I would hypothesize that the cold water closes your pores, perhaps. Or maybe, it helps to lower your body temperature, or something? I don't know. Anyway, I've tried it both ways, and I lose weight much quicker with the cold dips than I have by just towelling down after the sauna.

I learned it from Kurt Finlayson... who is a complete maniac about cutting weight - he shadow boxes in the sauna for hours, drinking powerade (which, of course, doesn't help) and telling jokes.

[Hellfighter]

all's good mate, thanks for the reply

when I was in Hong Kong for the I-1 WGP I spent time with all the lads preparing for their weigh-in and a couple of them had to drop a little bit extra... both their trainers said NEVER to shower, just wipe down and weigh-in, but what works for one doesn't always work for the other

another method over here that I've seen is:

limit your fluid intact to 500ml during training and immediately have a 30min HOT shower (as hot as you can handle) to cleanse your body of all the salts that clogging your pores and that are on your skin... appears to work well with some of the fighters I've met

[Makaba]

Come to Adelaide and run around the block once or twice.45.7 degrees yesterday.40+ for the next 5 days.That should do it.

[KL]

The other thing that a lot of Thais like, is to drink HEAPS of water, maybe 48 hours before the weigh in. Your body will quickly expel all the fluid, but will get into a rhythm, and won't stop at your regular level of hydration. This is quite a quick and painless way to lose the first couple of kilos...

[Rock5]

how much would i expect to lose in a session and how long should a session be? is 5 kg to much to try and lose safely?

[KL]

Depends on your weight, fitness, and level of experience.

Look - if you're an amateur, below 80kg, 5kg is probably too much to lose, if it's the first time you've tried cutting weight - there's no money in it, and you might not have the experience to put the weight back on effectively. How heavy are you, anyway? Amongst pros, I usually lose 6kg, which is probably just a little on the high side of average. Wazza and JWP can lose almost double that! But they've done it heaps, and are getting compensated monetarily.

But if you want to do it, try and cut a bit of fat - if you can cut 1kg of that before the fight, your job will be easier. On the other hand, you won't be able to put as much weight on after the weigh in. In terms of how long a session is... well, it goes until you've lost the weight. Remember, you're not trying to dehydrate yourself more and more over 2 weeks until you've lost 5 kilos. You're just getting your body used to expelling water quickly, then replacing it. You want to lose the weight as near to the weigh in as possible.

On the day of the weigh in (if it's in the arvo), don't eat more than 100g food. Have a real small meal, the night before, too. Most people carry more than a kilo of food in their intestines, getting rid of that is a good start. If you're active, on the day of the weigh-in (ie have a physical occupation), you'll lose a few kilos of water gradually and naturally. I've cut almost 5 kilos this way, before the running/sauna even started. I find it's not too taxing on your body - low intensity weight loss.

Then you've got the running/skipping/shadowboxing/sauna thing.

And make sure, if this is the very first time you're cutting this much weight, that you're fit enough to do more rounds than the fight. Or, you're a KO specialist. Also, if you're not used to cutting that much weight, it's good if you can take the day of the fight off work - just gradually replace all the water in your body, and gradually eat. Stay in bed, as much as you can, to replenish your energy. Get a gameboy, or something.