The HARI EFFECT

[MichaelSchiavello]

I went to a mate's house tonight and took the K-1 GP to watch. Two of my mates had never watched K-1 before and they sat glued to the action.

In particular they ALL fell in love with Badr Hari, to the point of jumping out of their seats during the Hari vs Zimmerman match and screaming at the top of their lungs for Hari, and these are two pretty reserved guys: one is an architect, the other a flight attendant.

Even after the final's controversy, they proclaimed their new addiction with Hari, now wanting to see his past fights and one of them (the architect) asked for a Badr Hari t-shirt for him next time I go to Japan.

I thought it was interesting to see their reactions, and their consensus that Hari to them was the most thrilling thing they had seen. The architect is a boxing fan but the K-1 blew apart his conceptions of what a great fight and a great fight spectacle is.

Always interesting to see how new fans perceive and warm to or against a fighter.

"The Voice" Michael Schiavello

[mpoyzer]

I just watched the final on youtube Hari is lucky that jumping round kick at the end of the 1st missed otherwise he would be getting his head re-attatched, You could see the look on his face when remy was sittin on the chair he knew he fu*#ed up royally

[ZeusAcademy]

Irrespective of someones fighting ability.....

RESPECT & HONOUR are what win peoples admiration

Gracious & Humble in Victory...& in defeat.

[ZeusAcademy]

Irrespective of someones fighting ability.....

RESPECT & HONOUR are what win peoples admiration

Gracious & Humble in Victory...& in defeat.

[whitetiger]

pity they didnt watch the k1 max shiv, they were the best fights ive seen in a long time

[humble]

I agree Shiv.

Hari is hard not to get addicted to.

His style is what "fighting" is about and as much as we codify it to make it palatable as a sport, the fact remains, it's still a fight!

The fighters are rare these days as we have technique masters trying to play the game and win on strategy and points accumulation. That makes for a really boring fighter/fight.

Hari on the other hand can bring technicality, strategy and the rest to a match and still display a "fight" and have people on the edge.

I don't believe that he was going down from the punch from Remy, but was definitely rocked by it. If you watch the slow motion replay it's almost as if although rocked, he still had his wits and the best way for him to avoid that leaping round kick was to drop downwards, albeit mixed with groginess from the punch looked like a knock down. I'm sure he was happy to take the count anyway.

Just watched him destroy Aerts! Hate to say (actually I love to say), I told you all so!

Shiv, I want a shirt too!

Signed
(official Hari nuthugger)

[wildaction]

Humble ...you beleive Hari was happy to go down and just take a count against Remy ?? (and give away a 10-8 round in a 3 round fight!!!!)

You're Dreaming ...

Stu.

[humble]

quote:Originally posted by wildaction



Humble ...you beleive Hari was happy to go down and just take a count against Remy ?? (and give away a 10-8 round in a 3 round fight!!!!)

You're Dreaming ...

Stu.


Happy because he was rocked!

I'm not dreaming mate. Someone with his reflexes and skills watch the slow mo again and you can see him rocked but still with his wits and then almost duck in avoidance whilst also raising his hands to protect his face.

Being rocked though it's not hard to go down and take a breather as you can see him completely concious of his situation when he is sitting down.

Was he happy to give away a 10-8, hell no. Did he have a choice if he wished to continue? Again, no. But he did have a choice to control himself in the end to which in his own demise he stuffed himself.

Mark my words, If Hari sorts out his emotional/spiritual side he will be K1's best champion ever!

[Dynamite Drew]

like zeus said ...

hari has no honour , no respect - just a loud mouth thug

sure it is fighting , but its a sport and has set rules

whack jobs like hari shouldnt be allowed to participate

what would it take before this happens ? a death ?

[rydah]

i also thought he more ducked the kick than got knocked down.

[MichaelSchiavello]

I disagree with people saying Hari has no respect, no honour and Drew you just blatantly fobb him off as a thug. It seems to me that Hari had some issue with Remy personally and also took out his frustrations in a despicable way against Remy -- I dont condone it for one second. But earlier in the night did you see him GET ON HIS KNEES and bow to Peter Aerts? And did you see him HUG Errol Zimmerman? His psychotic episode in the final aside, Hari showed and does show respect for his opponents. To say he is just a thug is ridiculous, love him or hate him you cant deny he is one of the greatest fighters on the planet. His skill level and speed and heart is amazing, particularly his recovery ability. One psychotic episode of rule breaking does not deem him a thug -- just like when Zinedine Zidane headbutted during teh World Cup final. He was rightly sent off (red card) and incurred the ire of fans and the press, but I still dont deny that Zidane is one of the most gifted and incredible soccer players of all time. In 1998 World Cup Zidane raked an opponent's face deliberately. He was red carded there too. Is he a thug? A whack job?

As for the knockdown in the final, I think the left tagged him (it was inside of the glove though and Remy doesn't punch that hard) and stunned him but you can see Hari was definitely avoiding the follow-up head kick that would have decapitated him -- the only place to go was down to avoid the kick and also shake off the effects of the punch, which is why he calmly rode the count.

"The Voice" Michael Schiavello

[humble]

quote:Originally posted by MichaelSchiavello

I disagree with people saying Hari has no respect, no honour and Drew you just blatantly fobb him off as a thug. It seems to me that Hari had some issue with Remy personally and also took out his frustrations in a despicable way against Remy -- I dont condone it for one second. But earlier in the night did you see him GET ON HIS KNEES and bow to Peter Aerts? And did you see him HUG Errol Zimmerman? His psychotic episode in the final aside, Hari showed and does show respect for his opponents. To say he is just a thug is ridiculous, love him or hate him you cant deny he is one of the greatest fighters on the planet. His skill level and speed and heart is amazing, particularly his recovery ability. One psychotic episode of rule breaking does not deem him a thug -- just like when Zinedine Zidane headbutted during teh World Cup final. He was rightly sent off (red card) and incurred the ire of fans and the press, but I still dont deny that Zidane is one of the most gifted and incredible soccer players of all time. In 1998 World Cup Zidane raked an opponent's face deliberately. He was red carded there too. Is he a thug? A whack job?

As for the knockdown in the final, I think the left tagged him (it was inside of the glove though and Remy doesn't punch that hard) and stunned him but you can see Hari was definitely avoiding the follow-up head kick that would have decapitated him -- the only place to go was down to avoid the kick and also shake off the effects of the punch, which is why he calmly rode the count.

"The Voice" Michael Schiavello




Agreed 100%

I also think Remy is very clever and sneaky.

I don't think Hari would disrespect him for the sake of disrespecting.

Out of all people, we're talking about a fighter with the pinnacle of skills in the K1, I do think he has the ability to control himself if a fighter goes down. Something must have been said or done to incite it. Just doesn't add up.

Doesn't excuse it but gives it context.

I also don't think Remy was THAT devastated that he couldn't continue.

Prize money is huge and so I probably would have done the same but does it make him K1 champ? Well technically yeh.

So thats 3 easy years for Remy ay?

[Dynamite Drew]

bit like politics and religion , you either like or dislike

to me hari is nothing but a coward and a thug

he knew he was gonna get beaten by remy so he resorted to taking him out any way possible as he didnt want to be beaten

by being disqualified ,in his mind im guessing , means that he wasnt beaten by remy

[1crain1]

quote:Originally posted by Dynamite Drew

bit like politics and religion , you either like or dislike

to me hari is nothing but a coward and a thug

he knew he was gonna get beaten by remy so he resorted to taking him out any way possible as he didnt want to be beaten

by being disqualified ,in his mind im guessing , means that he wasnt beaten by remy
in my mind hari was never in trouble and i thought it looked like he was going to win the fight anyways.

in regards to his "thug" stuff, and business activities outside of fighting it's all a bit boring. not everyone lives life the same way.

remy definitely should bring his acting career back after that performance. i know he hasn't been in any movies for a while, maybe he should look at hollywood?

[Awesome]

Hari was already on his way down from the punch (yes it was a legitimate knock down) when Remy threw the knee.

Also, if you do the crime then you do the time - Hari should be kicked off the K1 scene for a little while which would allow him to think about what he has done. To take no action (other than his DQ which lost him the final which he hass already suffered) would look as though K1 were happy to sanction such behaviour. It would be a shame to loose him from the K1 fight scene so give him a kick up the bum and then let him come back after cooling his heels on the sideline for a while.

Hari is a great fighter (no disputing that) but this is K1 tournament fighting with rules... I'm sure Pride would take him if he wants to kick people on the ground. Hey Shiv, is this why you are doing some damage control for Hari ;)

[Nish]

man he can't be kicked out of K1 i will stop watching it then if there is no hari

all my friends watched it and all they wanted to know was when was the Badboy going to fight next in the tournament seriously

[MichaelSchiavello]

No damage control here, just stating my opinion Mongo. And yes Nish, my mates are the same, chomping at the bit to see Badr in action again! As am I!

"The Voice" Michael Schiavello

[berzerker]

everyone loves to see a bad boy in the fight game

why do you think mike tyson was so popular for so long...hari's antics were nothing compared to that of the original bad boy of the fight scene.

love him or hate him, hari gives the k1 publicity

[Makaba]

Give him a year ban to think about his actions. I'm sure he won't do it again after that. He is still a great fighter but needs an attitude adjustment. He's still young so a year off won't do him any harm, although his bank account might hurt a little.

[wildaction]

No One is disputing that Hari is an awesome fighter Shiv ...BUT he needs to be taught a lesson by FEG in regards to his behaviour in the final and should face some type of diciplinary action over and above the disqualification.

Humble ..I agree that Hari was avoiding the kick that followed the punch and if Remi hadn't taken his 'eyes' off his target for a couple of seconds he would have taken Hari's head off and ended it all right there and then. ( I think we misunderstood eachother's first posts).

Stu.

[MichaelSchiavello]

And I'm not disagreeing with disciplinary action being taken either. His purse has been deducted, it will be interesting to see if he receives a suspension or if they will just punish him financially.

"The Voice" Michael Schiavello

[humble]

quote:Originally posted by Makaba

Give him a year ban to think about his actions. I'm sure he won't do it again after that. He is still a great fighter but needs an attitude adjustment. He's still young so a year off won't do him any harm, although his bank account might hurt a little.


I used to play basketball once upon a time. I wasn't Michael Jordan but I enjoyed it.

One day, we were in the semi's and a tool kept messing with me. I let it go even though this guy was the same guy I had floored in the past for picking on my brother.

So this A%#hole runs at me (mind you this is basketball not Muay Thai) and throws out both his elbows into my chest for no reason when he didn't have the ball.

It took me a second and I clocked him knocking him out.

72 week ban from basketball.

I never played ball again.

Should I have hit him? Hell yeh, no fool is going to disrespect me physically and not get a response from me.

Words I can take all day and night to some extent but as Malcom X said:

"There is nothing in our book, the Qur'an, that teaches us to suffer peacefully. Our religion teaches us to be intelligent. Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone lays a hand on you, send him to the cemetery."

I'm not condoning Badr's actions once again, but I think Remy knows he is highly strung and chose to rub salt in wounds setting Badr off.

Heaps of crap can happen in 1 year. The suggestion on banning him is not worth the cyberspace it's written in.

Stuff it, Let Badr Fight..... if anything Remy got an easy pass yet again!

[scottya]

Someone picked on EKCS
hope he is ok now

[Heeta]

as i said in the forum about live updates, i agree that hari ducked and lost balance coz he saw the kick comin

[Makaba]

quote:Originally posted by humble

quote:Originally posted by Makaba

Give him a year ban to think about his actions. I'm sure he won't do it again after that. He is still a great fighter but needs an attitude adjustment. He's still young so a year off won't do him any harm, although his bank account might hurt a little.


I used to play basketball once upon a time. I wasn't Michael Jordan but I enjoyed it.

One day, we were in the semi's and a tool kept messing with me. I let it go even though this guy was the same guy I had floored in the past for picking on my brother.

So this A%#hole runs at me (mind you this is basketball not Muay Thai) and throws out both his elbows into my chest for no reason when he didn't have the ball.

It took me a second and I clocked him knocking him out.

72 week ban from basketball.

I never played ball again.

Should I have hit him? Hell yeh, no fool is going to disrespect me physically and not get a response from me.

Words I can take all day and night to some extent but as Malcom X said:

"There is nothing in our book, the Qur'an, that teaches us to suffer peacefully. Our religion teaches us to be intelligent. Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone lays a hand on you, send him to the cemetery."

I'm not condoning Badr's actions once again, but I think Remy knows he is highly strung and chose to rub salt in wounds setting Badr off.

Heaps of crap can happen in 1 year. The suggestion on banning him is not worth the cyberspace it's written in.

Stuff it, Let Badr Fight..... if anything Remy got an easy pass yet again!


Hypocritical to some extent. Hari was not courteous or respectful in the ring and did not obey the law of K1.Having said that they should send Hari to the cemetary.

[Voice]

quote:the other a flight attendant.

male[:I] or female[:X] Shiv??

[kiwibouncer]

he is the bad boy of k1 and thats exactly what it needs if he wasn't there it would be boring without his smack talk and how exciting he fights.

[ECKS]

quote:Originally posted by scottya

Someone picked on EKCS
hope he is ok now


lol..... I was 14

[scottya]

Its ok Ecks
You can ring me any time to talk about it

Dont let it build up in side man its not good for you

[Voice]

i want to know how many times we can get Drew to tell us Hari is a thug, a whacko and a really naughty boy. About to break into double figures.

[brave]

Hari who? GP what?

Bring on k1max.

[humble]

quote:Originally posted by Voice

i want to know how many times we can get Drew to tell us Hari is a thug, a whacko and a really naughty boy. About to break into double figures.


lool.

Makaba, not hypocritical at all if you understood the context. You chose to make your own hence the confusion.

No doubt Remy did something and so Badr sent him to the cemetery....well apparently or was Remy faking it?

So on one hand he was sent to the cemetery and deserved it (not from a sporting point of view but a personal one) and on the other he was faking it, by which we know his true colours.

Sheesh, as much as I dislike Semmy's style, at least he stands tall and doesn't win GP's by faking or disrespecting people.

I think Remy more than anything knew he had his hands full with Hari and was **** scarred because he knew that Hari was pissed at something he had said or done and now he was going to mess him up.

BUt there's a lot of "I thinks" here so we'll leave it at that.

Remy stands no chance in the future if they should ever meet again.

There's a reason why fighters like Aerts and Le Banner, Sefo, Hari, Hunt etc will forever be favorites. They come to fight..... not rack up points or win by DQ's and technicalities.

[Voice]

that's a little harsh Humble. Hari does have a bit of a glass jaw and Remy was 10-8 up and flying like Leapin' Lenny Poffo. I am pretty confident that Remy would have won fair and square with his tight defence and solid gameplan. Hari is a bit of a nuke...either it goes off and he destroys all before him or the fuse fizzes and he is left one hand holding his nads. That night was going to be Remy's (which Shiv and I predicted in case we didn't tell yo'all a few times before).
I won't be so uncouth as to ask JWP what he would have done during a Max Final for the title if say Zambo had been so ingratious as to take aim at his head on the canvas and inflict some contact which would warrant disqualification...one doesn't just immediately jump up and say 'hey, I forgive your bad sportsmanship and I'm not really hurt too badly so let's forget about it and finish the fight, even though I can walk away with 400k because your arse is history'

[Imsta]

If he had not done the stupid thing, he would have finish Remy.

[Voice]

Not having a go Humble, however...
you and many other have bagged Semmy (fighting style that is)...never a truer champion has there been. Totally dominating, respectful and represents all that is honourable about the sport...respects his style and dojo by always wearing his gi into the ring etc etc.

I would hate Hari to actually gain 'respect' with this act. Yes, he might gain popularity as a nasty boy but respect is earned by respectful actions and people would be foolish to suddenly think the guy is a really nice bloke because he shook the hand of the guy he beat up in the previous fight...winning is easy, taking loss is hard to some and Hari simply needs to learn a few lessons if he is to grow in life. I am sure that you, a deeply spiritual person, can see his need for some guidance in that regard.

That said, I do agree with you Wes...Hari should not be banned. That serves no-one...even Remy said to hit him in the hip-pocket so that is what they did.
I do think this whole pre-occupation with 'respect' in the fight game is a little pot-calling-kettle. Some of the most disrespectful thugs on the planet are involved in or support this sport and to have someone bent out of shape because of a few words compared to some of the deeds these people do is rather hypocritical. I think we can all recall some incidents close to home where actions will far transcend words with regards to low acts.
People just need to tolerate each other as respect is something some people will never have for each other.

[Voice]

quote:Originally posted by Imsta

If he had not done the stupid thing, he would have finish Remy.

that is ridiculous...he was 10-8 down, nearly had his head squashed with Remy's kick late in the round and showing no signs of knocking Remy out...if anything, Remy would have finished Hari off, given the punishment he had sustained on the night and Remy's relatively easy run into the final.

[humble]

quote:Originally posted by Voice

that's a little harsh Humble. Hari does have a bit of a glass jaw and Remy was 10-8 up and flying like Leapin' Lenny Poffo. I am pretty confident that Remy would have won fair and square with his tight defence and solid gameplan. Hari is a bit of a nuke...either it goes off and he destroys all before him or the fuse fizzes and he is left one hand holding his nads. That night was going to be Remy's (which Shiv and I predicted in case we didn't tell yo'all a few times before).
I won't be so uncouth as to ask JWP what he would have done during a Max Final for the title if say Zambo had been so ingratious as to take aim at his head on the canvas and inflict some contact which would warrant disqualification...one doesn't just immediately jump up and say 'hey, I forgive your bad sportsmanship and I'm not really hurt too badly so let's forget about it and finish the fight, even though I can walk away with 400k because your arse is history'



lool, this is true which is why I mentioned it before. Remy's a smart guy and no one can take that away from him and if I were in his position, like I said, I'd do the same.

However, your discounting Hari like as if he has never fought back in any of his fights and either stopped someone or won easily.

I still think Hari could have finished him.

[Imsta]

Voice,

I saw the fight differently, anyway we will have to wait and see the rematch.

[humble]

quote:Originally posted by Voice

Not having a go Humble, however...
you and many other have bagged Semmy (fighting style that is)...never a truer champion has there been. Totally dominating, respectful and represents all that is honourable about the sport...respects his style and dojo by always wearing his gi into the ring etc etc.

I would hate Hari to actually gain 'respect' with this act. Yes, he might gain popularity as a nasty boy but respect is earned by respectful actions and people would be foolish to suddenly think the guy is a really nice bloke because he shook the hand of the guy he beat up in the previous fight...winning is easy, taking loss is hard to some and Hari simply needs to learn a few lessons if he is to grow in life. I am sure that you, a deeply spiritual person, can see his need for some guidance in that regard.


I agree completely Neale both about Semmy and about Hari.

But I also wont discount that a smart ass needs to be shown he can't disrespect people and get away with it. Deep down, do you honestly think that Hari was set off for no reason after bowing and prostrating (something we don't do for anyone save God despite our religiosity) to Aerts and then hugging Zimmerman like a long lost brother? Doesn't add up at all.

That's why I said if Hari can sort himself out spiritually and emotionally he will be undefeatable........save a giant Semmy having his way

[Voice]

quote:Originally posted by humble
However, your discounting Hari like as if he has never fought back in any of his fights and either stopped someone or won easily.

I still think Hari could have finished him.

not really, I just think Remy is the thorn in the side of Hari...they are about even with regards to abilities and execution, just Hari seems to have this hate towards Remy which makes him reckless. I think he probably hates the clean-cut, black, rich kid image with a passion. Give it a year and I do think Hari will be too much for the aging Remy but hey, 3 K-1 wins ain't a bad accomplishment.

Unfort due to Hari's silly act, that final statement is one we will never know and could have been the greatest final in the history of the K-1.:(

[Voice]

I just had a thought...maybe it was Hari who wrecked Remy's marriage, hence the anger.
Maybe Shiv might have more info on that conspiracy theory.
Or maybe Hari is making a play for Remy's new g/f. hehe

[humble]

loool

Maybe Remy is the reason my strawberrys aren't doing too well but maybe Hari is the reason my tomatoes and cucumbers are booming!

Yeh that's it!

ah well.... one whole year! Darn it.... I can't wait.

Where's Tarik when you need him lol

[Voice]

quote:Originally posted by humble
Where's Tarik when you need him lol

Ian Jacobs vs Gurkan Ozkan II or is it III??[}:)]

[Makaba]

Let's just hope we see a rematch some time in the future to sort out this controversy. I think the two match up very well and can go either way on any given night. I too believe that Remy was acting but it was one of the quickest 400k I've seen earnt from any acting role.Look forward to 2009.

[Awesome]

Hey Shiv, I was just stirring you big kabosh... Didn't mean to offend you.

For those who are supporting Hari, a question to ponder. If you were fighting someone and they kicked you when you were on the ground what would you think then?

[Hironaka]

quote:Originally posted by Mongo


For those who are supporting Hari, a question to ponder. If you were fighting someone and they kicked you when you were on the ground what would you think then?


Heelhook.

[Awesome]

Yes indeed Hiro, although I would have gone for the kick to his ball bag ;)

[scottya]

quote:Originally posted by Mongo


For those who are supporting Hari, a question to ponder. If you were fighting someone and they kicked you when you were on the ground what would you think then?


Get back up & fight like Eli did when he took a foot flush to the face on the ground
Lost the fight but still got back up to fight on

[wildaction]

Remy did what any fighter in the K1 GP FINAL would have done ...there is not ONE reason do anything diffrent than he did!

Humble ...All the greats (Aerts , Hoost, Sefo, etc) came to 'WIN' first and foremost and any one of them would be more than happy with a 'Rack Up The Points' win.

Stu

[humble]

quote:Originally posted by wildaction




Humble ...All the greats (Aerts , Hoost, Sefo, etc) came to 'WIN' first and foremost and any one of them would be more than happy with a 'Rack Up The Points' win.

Stu


Could of fooled me. Always looked like those guys were fighting not being poster boys. None of them are the prettiest of people because of that. Aerts has to wear neoprene on his shins because of the wars he's been in, but he still fights!

Oh well.

[Hironaka]

If you are going to give examples of guys who rack up the points, I would not be listing Aerts, Hoost or Sefo first.

[MichaelSchiavello]

I agree. That's three names who never go just to rack up points. If it had been Ray in Remy's position I bet my life he would have fought on.

"The Voice" Michael Schiavello

[Rocky]

Man Badr Hari is a frikin legend.

Wat a ***** this remmy ******! Get up and fight u pretty boy money hungry maggot. i felt like flyin to japan and slappin him.

Yeh yeh respect my ass, remy faked his injury

[wildaction]

Hiro...

I'm not giving 'examples' , I'm stating any of those guys would be happy to rack up a K1 GP Finals WIN!

Stu

[wildaction]

If ..if..if

alot of If's...who knows what Ray or Peter or Semmy..or Ernesto would have done (no one ..until they find themselves IN that situation).

Stu

[SPADA]

quote:If it had been Ray in Remy's position I bet my life he would have fought on.


I disagree

Ray Sefo has been in a similar position back in 2003 in the GP
Qualifiers in his fight against Carter Williams.

Ray was getting a touch up and Carter threw a half hearted elbow that hardly connected and Ray wouldn't fight on.

Sefo's face and eye had sustained damage from Carters previous punches... so a smart move by Ray not to continue,and get an entry into the GP Final.

cheers Spada

[sammi]

Hi guys. Long time viewer, first time poster. First of all I think it's fantastic that we are now getting to watch K1 live events on PPV. Hammer and Shiv have done an awesome effort and hopefully with this coverage, along with shows like the Contender and the local shows on Fox Sports, this will help grow the sport. Had a few mates that were not interested in Muay Thai until they watched the Contender and became addicted to the show. Should not be a problem convincing them to come to the local shows and watch the sport live, so this can only help the sport grow.
I watched the K-1 on PPV and thought it was a great spectacle, fantastic knockouts, exciting fights. Hated seeing Aerts beaten down as he's one of my favourite old warriors, but thats the fight game I guess. When you time is up, thats it.
Its interesting reading some of the comments about Hari. Some people love him, others hate him, interesting debates. I know quite a few people are getting on the Badr bandwagon, loving the bad boy antics. Personally I thought it was a disgraceful act, unprovoked, poor sportsmanship, a blight on the sport as it tries to become more mainstream. He is such a gifted athlete and he put a real dampener on an absolute cracker of an evening. He let himself down, K1 and the fans and I would not have a problem to see him banned from K1. If Remy was seriously hurt by copping a stomp in his eye then things could be different. I also think Remy carried on like a cream puff, but it doesn't take away Badr's antics. A disgraceful ending to a top notch night. I guess the only real answer is by having a rematch, which I'm sure will have fans salivating, even though I don't think Hari deserves it.
Thanks guys, keep up the entertaining banter. Love it !

[Voice]

quote:Originally posted by sammi

Hi guys. Long time viewer, first time poster.
LMAO, oh yeah, the fact you started with the exact sentence of all the other long time viewers, first time posters might suggest otherwise. But that is ok...
It is usual for new posters to tell us a bit about themselves before we show you the secret handshake that will be your passport to all things SportzBlitz.

[kiwibouncer]

People are forgeting that Hari knocked down Remy before he stomped on his head he smashed Remy with a 3 or 4 punch combo to put him down then stomped on he head, remy was shaken by that combo and would of had a 8 count which would of even up the scoring.

[Q]

What does US$400,000 convert to in Euro?

[methusila]

Hi guys, like Sammi, long time viewer first time poster. I am on the Ban Badr Hari Train. I am not sure how anyone can excuse his actions. Bad boys, who needs them. He can go fight MMA, that looked like an audition for it anyway. I, for one, would rather go to see JWP, TS2 or fighters like them, they have ability and respect. Just my opinion. Oh Voice before you get on my back, i am old, cranky and self centered. I did taekwondo and then did a little muaythai. Never fought in the ring, but have not ruled out being the oldest to give it a go. Now can i get the handshake, or maybe ride the billy goat...........:D

[Jay 1]

quote:Originally posted by kiwibouncer

People are forgeting that Hari knocked down Remy before he stomped on his head he smashed Remy with a 3 or 4 punch combo to put him down then stomped on he head, remy was shaken by that combo and would of had a 8 count which would of even up the scoring.


Ummmm........don't know what you were watching but nobody is forgetting it because that never happened. Badr didn't "knock" Remy down, they both fell down due to Badr's forward momentum and Badr grabbing and pulling Remy's leg.

[MichaelSchiavello]

Um... yeah Kiwi Bouncer, what were you watching? Badr never knocked down Remy.

"The Voice" Michael Schiavello

[K Man]

When big mouth Hari went down my loungeroom went up in celebration.
Hari's disgraceful act was lower than your mums tits.
Cant wait until Remy kicks his arse again

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[humble]

quote:Originally posted by K Man

When big mouth Hari went down my loungeroom went up in celebration.
Hari's disgraceful act was lower than your mums tits.
Cant wait until Remy kicks his arse again

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Lame. I think MIRC is still alive and kicking...head there!

[Q]

Is that Bruce Willis between you and Kimbo Shiv?

[humble]

quote:Originally posted by Fight Journo

Is that Bruce Willis between you and Kimbo Shiv?


Looks like a Ferrita.

[ECKS]

quote:Originally posted by humble

quote:Originally posted by K Man

When big mouth Hari went down my loungeroom went up in celebration.
Hari's disgraceful act was lower than your mums tits.
Cant wait until Remy kicks his arse again

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Lame. I think MIRC is still alive and kicking...head there!


BA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! MIRC! LOL

[Voice]

quote:Originally posted by MichaelSchiavello

Um... yeah Kiwi Bouncer, what were you watching? Badr never knocked down Remy.

"The Voice" Michael Schiavello

what a dufus...he thinks that by being controversial he may appear intelligent rather than simply having no idea what he is talking about. Seriously, I can abide the Turkish nutter brigade before this guy...at least there is some basis for comment from those guys and their passion surpasses KB's pre-neanderthal brain function.

[ZeusAcademy]

quote:Originally posted by MichaelSchiavello

I disagree with people saying Hari has no respect, no honour.
It seems to me that Hari had some issue with Remy personally and also took out his frustrations in a despicable way against Remy -- I dont condone it for one second. But earlier in the night did you see him GET ON HIS KNEES and bow to Peter Aerts? And did you see him HUG Errol Zimmerman? His psychotic episode in the final aside, Hari showed and does show respect for his opponents. "The Voice" Michael Schiavello


Michael, I see your view....although I have to point out Badr Hari is always gracious in his victories......If you recall some of his losses or decisions that went against him in the past his reactions were of frustration, anger & to walk out of center ring very annoyed....I think you could confidently say...disrespectful..
It has not been the first time he has acted in this way....I recall seeing his 'attitude' a few times within the last 4-5 years.

His ability & skill are of very high standard.....but we must remember that we do not only judge Champions by their skill level alone...but as a complete fighter abiding by rules, regulations, mental strength, etc etc.....& conducting themselves like a champion in & out of the ring.
If he did have a personal issue with Remy...he should of dealt with it outside the ring.....In the ring, he should of displayed professionalism & proven who was the better man.

At the end of the day...he is a 'payed' professional...& he must oblige to his chosen profession...like everyone else

Regards

Costa

[nagas]

Alot of people are saying to ban Hari, (yes he acted like a complete jackass & yes the K1 took his purse).
Bob Saap on a number of occassions went postal on opponnents on the ground & after the bell, i beleive he to started hitting Remy while Remy was down in their fight.
I don't remember people saying to kick Saap out of K1 for his psychotic episodes..... lol he's got a whole frickin book.
I think people should relax a little.. Hari has only himself to blame for acting like a dik, he has been punished & hopefully he'll learn how to conduct himself as a proffessional as Costa said.
He has to much talent for the K1 to be without him, also 'Glass Jaw' i don't think you can say Hari has a glass jaw, man that overhand right Zimmerman landed sent his head through the rafters, then he had the heart to come back belt Zimmerman and get the KO.

Remy is a true champion though in and out of the ring that flying knee/round kick he landed on Saki was crazy.
When Remy gets going with his combos he's awesome & at the end of the day he's a 3 time K1 GP Champ.
I don't like the way he won this final but hey if it was me & 400k was up for grabs i guess i would act like Dicaprio at the end of Titanic too.

[humble]

What's funny about all this is that if the K1 was what it is ie a talent pool for the top heavies around the world yet run like a suburban promotion without all the hype, glamour, glitz and theatrics, then one could understand this ultimate code of "respect" everyone is slanging about.

Sure his actions were out of line but gimme a break, the whole production is a hype machine. They docked him his purse and more than any time ban, he'd feel this.

We lap up the hype, the craziness and what not and then cry when one of the fighters does a little improvisation.

Besides, it still hasn't been established what sent him off into this frenzy.

Not a reason to condone his actions nor an excuse but certainly puts perspective.

Like someone who kills another person in the street. He'd be labelled as an evil murderer, charged and jailed. May even get convicted and the truth of the matter may be that he was only ever defending himself from a thug.

As mentioned, not an excuse but puts a better light on the matter.

I don't think Remy is an angel.

[ford]

What upsets Badr is Remy has his measure and Badr knows it!
Humble,I like how you are looking for excuses for what Badr did,but the simple fact is Badr is a dip****!

[humble]

quote:Originally posted by ford

What upsets Badr is Remy has his measure and Badr knows it!
Humble,I like how you are looking for excuses for what Badr did,but the simple fact is Badr is a dip****!


And you're illiterate!

I must of written half a dozen times in this thread that his behavior is still inexcusable.

Remy is a good accountant is about the most measuring skills he has.

3 time lucky K1 champion.

[ford]

Yes,you write that it was wrong.Then you spend the rest of the posts trying to justify it!
So is it wrong?..or wrong, but Remy must of done somthing or Malcolm x "said send them to the cemetery" or if someone kills someone in the street maybe they were right to do so blah,blah,blah!
So maybe you should read what you write instead of trying to sound so worldly.
Badr"can't beat Remy"Hari

[Q]

3 times lucky and 3 time $400k US richer,

If Hari wasn't paid by FEG to do this then he is an absolute goose.

I am assuming he doesn't come from a wealthy family, I could be wrong someone can correct me, and if I am right then what the hell is wrong with him.

Let’s have a look at another fighter in this situation, Yodsaenklai, no doubt he is one of the most gifted fighters and like Hari earned the position to set himself up financially and in a sporting capacity. When Yodsaenklai fought in the final of Contender and won you could not feel anything but adulation for him ( except for the fact it should have been our JWP) the way he presented himself and the fact that he considered this an amazing opportunity.

Hari had this opportunity, the chance to win the K1 Heavyweight Grand Prix, the pinnacle of fight sports and win US$400k.

I don’t care what Remy said or done to him there is something wrong with him to blow it all away when he had every chance of winning the fight.

If he wasn't paid by FEG for this brain explosion then he needs to see a psychologist ASAP.

[Dynamite Drew]

quote:Originally posted by Fight Journo
If he wasn't paid by FEG for this brain explosion then he needs to see a physiologist ASAP.



dont ya mean psychologist ???

[mpoyzer]

And then when there is a re-match we will all pay for it on ppv and K1 will make a **** load out of it! But it will be worth every cent

[ZeusAcademy]

quote:Originally posted by humble

I don't think Remy is an angel.


I agree with you Humble....& understand your point.
Remy is no angel....but we must aknowledge that he has always acted professionally inside the ring.

[Hellfighter]

if Badr had "dealt" with any problems he has with Remy outside the ring, then he may burnt his house down like he did with his other "problem"

[1crain1]

yea, but the industry badr is involved sometimes requires a bit more persuasion than the fight industry. besides weren't the attempt murder charges etc dropped? it was all a bit of drama over nothing.

[Voice]

quote:Originally posted by ZeusAcademy

quote:Originally posted by humble

I don't think Remy is an angel.


I agree with you Humble....& understand your point.
Remy is no angel....but we must aknowledge that he has always acted professionally inside the ring.

LOL, you guys are funny. Of course he isn't an angel, he is a FIGHTER! hehe
People think of Remy the accountant, Hari the street rat etc but at the end of the day they all fight which is not a standard career choice. Generally all these guys get along very well as the K-1 circuit is a kind of family like the US pro golf tour (go to many Tokyo restaurants and these guys often sign the doors and walls as they dine together during tourneys) however on occasion you get a real nutter who is the Alpha Male x 10. That is Hari.
He probably is someone who in the heat of the moment sees the fight as a life and death struggle rather than a career and his opponents as gladiators in the ring trying to kill him. Maybe the guy is even a little schizo and just snaps, who knows.
He shouldn't be banned but people likewise shouldn't need to make excuses for what he did.
He will do something like this again because that is his nature...he is a fighter which is perhaps the most life and death profession out there so expect life and death emotions from someone a little troubled.

[ford]

At the end of the day,I really hope Badr pulls his head in as I love watching him fight.
I'm just getting old and I'm sick of of the young punk act!

So if you guys don't mind,I've got to put the false teeth in the jar,plug the electric blanket in and make myself a nice cupper.

[humble]

quote:Originally posted by ford

Yes,you write that it was wrong.Then you spend the rest of the posts trying to justify it!
So is it wrong?..or wrong, but Remy must of done somthing or Malcolm x "said send them to the cemetery" or if someone kills someone in the street maybe they were right to do so blah,blah,blah!
So maybe you should read what you write instead of trying to sound so worldly.
Badr"can't beat Remy"Hari

Like I said, Illiterate. [:X]

[LXXIX]

he is a d!ck just saw the fight then ,dont matter if you have a personal problem with the bloke your in the ring you should show some respect.Any one can stomp someones head when there on the ground,he is supposed to be a profesinal fighter and he is acting like a d1ckhead at the pub...

[scottya]

What happen to bob sapp that time the ref stoped the fight but Bob kept fighting on
Then the other fighter came back punching at bob so the fight went on a little bit longer with the ref tryen to wave the fight off

Bob landed a big right knee then end up knocking the fighter to the ground & jump on the guy head ?

[1crain1]

quote:Originally posted by scottya

What happen to bob sapp that time the ref stoped the fight but Bob kept fighting on
Then the other fighter came back punching at bob so the fight went on a little bit longer with the ref tryen to wave the fight off

Bob landed a big right knee then end up knocking the fighter to the ground & jump on the guy head ?
no one cares about sapp though 'cause, aside from when he got lucky with his overweight spastic fight styles, he wasn't a threat to anyones favourite fighter. badr is the future of k1, he will smash evryone elses favourite fighter in the next few years, so obv. people will get a little more emotional about him than they did with the novelty act of sapp.

[scottya]

But Sapp still put Hoost on his ass
And sold a lot of tickets

I was just asking what happen to Sapp after he jumped on some one head when they were tryen to stop the fight after it was called off 20 seconds before hand

[Hironaka]

quote:Originally posted by scottya

But Sapp still put Hoost on his ass
And sold a lot of tickets

I was just asking what happen to Sapp after he jumped on some one head when they were tryen to stop the fight after it was called off 20 seconds before hand


He got massive and went to Pride.

[kiwibouncer]

quote:Originally posted by MichaelSchiavello

Um... yeah Kiwi Bouncer, what were you watching? Badr never knocked down Remy.

"The Voice" Michael Schiavello

watch it again with your glasses on.