Best "All Time" Thai boxers

[HAMMER]

Hi All

We are wanting your thoughts on who your
Top 10 - All Time Best Thai Boxers are...

Top 10 (Non Thai's) eg; Dekker etc..

Top 10 (Thai Nationals)

If you can't think of 10 fighters, just post the ones you think are worth being on the list.

Thanks

Hammer

[phuket soi easy]

Thai national=Anuwat Kaewsamrit
Diesel Noi

[Rickstar]

Best Thais i have seen

Nokweed Davy
Teerapong
Jomhod
Sakbantoon

Best non thais
Dekker
JWP
Ben Smullens

[adrian]

Best non-thais of all time:

- Danny Bill - He dropped Dekkers with a head kick and dominated the rest of the fight.

- Dekkers (sort of)



Best Thais:

- Samart Payakaroon

- Sakmongkol

- The newer Orono that beat Yodsanklai twice and Buakaw

[imported_n/a]

My Favourite Thai's not in order

Jomhod
Saenchai
Orono
Sakmongkol
Yoddecha
Buakaw
Yodsanklai
Samart
Anuwat


Non thai

Nugget
JWP
Dekker
Tony Hill
Simpson
Hippo
Meyer
Vallueme
Skarbo
and of course the best of the best
Carnage

soryy for the sh1t spelling

[aramz]

Yeh Danny Bill was a great fighter. Although when he knocked out Dekker, Dekker was way past his prime. Would have been an awesome fight if they were both at the top of their game

[Dynamite Drew]

top 10 thais (no specific order)

1 sakmongkol sitnchuchoke
2 saensak muengsurin
3 nokweed davy
4 sakad petchyindee
5 jongsanan wooden man
6 saennapa payaksopon
7 johhod kiatadisak
8 samart payakaroon
9 samson esarn
10 detrirt itti-anuchit

top 10 non thais (no specific order)

1 dida diafat
2 ramon dekkers
3 ivan hyppolite
4 farid villaume
5 danny bille
6 rayen simpson
7 perry ubeda
8 ernesto hoost
9 gilbert ballantine
10 JWP

with special mention of lucia rijker (female)

[SPADA]

Thais :-

Changpuek
Wanlop
Jomhod
Sakmongkol
Samart
Dieselnoi
Santien " deadly kisser "
Baukaw
Yod
Suriya

Non thais :-

Ramon Dekker
Danny Bill
JWP
Carnage
Farid Villume
Ole Bagiuo Laursen
Jean - Charles Starbowsky
Rob Kaman
Peter Smit
Ivan Hippolyte

cheers Spada

[LXXIX]

quote:Originally posted by Rickstar

Best Thais i have seen

Nokweed Davy
Teerapong
Jomhod
Sakbantoon

Best non thais
Dekker
JWP
Ben Smullens


how did ben smullen end up next to names like dekker and jwp........ there is no way that he is one off the greatest...not even in australia...he tough but shouldnt be listed as one off the all time best

[muay thai ff]

ian powerhouse jacobs

[Kano]

quote:Originally posted by LXXIX

quote:Originally posted by Rickstar

Best Thais i have seen

Nokweed Davy
Teerapong
Jomhod
Sakbantoon

Best non thais
Dekker
JWP
Ben Smullens


how did ben smullen end up next to names like dekker and jwp........ there is no way that he is one off the greatest...not even in australia...he tough but shouldnt be listed as one off the all time best

Benny is definately a legend, good on you Rickstar, I got a good laugh. LONG LIVE RED JESUS!!

[warriorxxx]

- The newer Orono that beat Yodsanklai twice and Buakaw

any1 got any pics or footage?

[adrian]

quote:Originally posted by warriorxxx


- The newer Orono that beat Yodsanklai twice and Buakaw

any1 got any pics or footage?



I've tried but found nothing. Apparently both times Orono fought Yod, Yod got ko'd. Yod does have around 70 losses on his record. Mad streak at the moment though (except for Souwer), Farid (should be twice) and JWP twice.

Hopefully he gets another shot at Souwer soon but at 22 he's got plenty of time.

[Ricky Bobby]

Thais, in no particular order:

Apidej
Diesel Noi
Samart Payakaroon
Pudpadnoi
Sakad Petchyindee
Saenchai
Jomhod
Anuwat
Sockmongkol
Orono (the newer one, who at one time went by the gym name Majesticgym)

It can always be said it's too hard to choose the greatest Thais, especially since the best fighters are said to be at the lower weight divisions, which we non-Thais don't pay enough attention to. Granted, we know about some of the lighter fighters of today, such as Anuwat, Saenchai, and Orono, but aside from fighters who eventually went up in weight, think of past fighters from the lighter weight divisions and the only ones we know about are the ones with legendary status (Diesel Noi, Apidej).


Honorable mention goes to Coban, who wasn't the best in the Thai scene, but did very well against top name farangs.

Somsong was good. Don't know how he did in the Thai scene, but against Europeans he was tough.

Changpeuk deserves mention due to being the greatest "heavy" Thai.

Kaolan was a top dog in his prime, but he lacked top notch opposition aside from a few opponents like Djepitak.

Buakaw is a lot better than some people on various forums give him credit for. They try to go for stories about Buakaw not being that good in the Thai scene and that's why he's in K-1 Max, that's bollocks.

top 10 non-Thais:

Andre Brilleman
Ronnie Green
Farid Villaume
Dany Bill
Fujiwara
Gilbert Ballantine
Nathan Corbett
Ivan Hippolyte
Rayen Simson
Ramon Dekkers ....I'll put him in there, even though he's overrated due to people putting him up at mythical status when the reality's quite different. But, he was a great fighter, and the first farang to fight consistently in the tough Thai circuit

Due to all of his recent success, I should have Andy Souwer in the top 10, but some of his earlier KO losses has me putting him on the outer fringes. If he wins another tournament or two, I'd have to ignore those losses and just put him in.

Honorable mention to JC Skarbowski & JWP for being top fighters who also happened to do well in the Thai circuit.

Mention goes to Jason Suttie as well. If it wasn't for the financial straits of kickboxing, he could have stayed at his natural weight division and had a storied career.

Daniel Dawson is another Australian who deserves a mention.

Stablemates Benny Urquidez & Pete Cunningham were great, but I didn't put them in the top 10 list due to them not fighting close to muay thai rules enough. Regardless of record manipulations, they were fantastic fighters and true legends.

Masato, love him or hate him, deserves a mention as well. I wish he was more active during his career.

And I'll always have a soft-spot in my heart for "The Manchester Machine" Chris Allen. It's a shame his career didn't go further than it did, such a quality fighter.

[buriram]

quote:Originally posted by phuket soi easy

Thai national=Anuwat Kaewsamrit
Diesel Noi
thai
samart payakaroon
samson esarn
namkabuan
langsuan
therdkiat
buakaw por pramuk
sakmongkol
changpuek kiatsongrit
jomhod kiatsak
coban
non thai
rob kaman
ramon dekker
jwp
carnage
danny bill
ernesto hoost
ivan hipolyte
peter aerts
dida diafat
tyrone spoong

[samkor]

i dont have ten of both but...

thais

apidej ( renowned for breaking the arms of opponents with his kicks )
deadly kisser
anuwat
wooden man
sakmonkol
yod
samkor

non thais
ramon dekker


would be interesting to hear what hellfighters are, seeing as though he has a vast knoweldge of fighters in thai land...

[Hellfighter]

do we have to post photos of with guys?

Rajasak
Lamnamoon
Saenchai Sor Kingstar
Orono Por MuangUbon
Orono Wor Petchpun/Majestic Gym
Changpuek Kiatsongrit
Namphon Nongkeepahuyuth
Tongchai Tor Silachai
Namkhabuan Nongkeepahuyuth
Anuwat Kaewsamrit
Bovy Sor Udomsorn
Ajarn Apidej Sit-Hirun
Ajarn Pud Pad Noi Woorawoot
Samson Isarn
Nokweed Davy
Jaroenthong Kiatbanchong
Sakmongkol
Jomhod Kiatadasak
Samart Payakaroon
Sangtiennoi
Dieselnoi
Karahut
Viraporn
Poot Porlek
Kaeksan (spelling)
Pirojnoi
Somrak Sor Khamsing
Jongsanan
Coban


Ramon Dekkers
Rob Kaman
Dany Bille
Stephan Nikiema
Ronnie Green
Paul Briggs
Nugget McNaught
JWP
Rudolf Durica
Farid Villaume
Paulo Tolca
JC Skarbowsky
Ivan Hippolyte
Nathan Corbett
Shane Chapman
Ben Burton


just to add a few

[Hellfighter]

oh and I have a couple of photos of Orono's KO of Yod, but you all have to be nice to me :-P

[spano]

jomhodyodsanklai
saenchai sor kingstar
sakmongkol
buakaw
wanlop

non thais
of course JWP
paul briggs
ramon dekker
carnage
benny the jet
peter aerts
mark hunt
aaron ts2 leigh
tyrone sprong
ernest hoost
stab the man

[Dynamite Drew]

the question was " all time best.."

some fighters listed are good but wouldnt be classed as best of all time

[Dynamite Drew]

hell fighter -

Samson Isarn - is this same samson as dutchboygym ???

[wheels]

BUAKAW
YODSANKLI
WANLOP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>&
THE BEST/I SAY R BRUCE LEE
BENNY THE JET
ERNESTO HOOST
LENNOX LEWIS

[Hellfighter]

what do Ernesto Hoost and Lennox Lewis have to do with "Thai Boxers"?

DD, did DutchBoyGym hold both MuayThai and Boxing World Titles at the same time?

[wheels]

About as much as BENNY THE JET & BRUCE LEE.
Lets not play tidley winks please fellas.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>&

[samkor]

wheels isnt it top ten thai boxers???????????????????????

[kiwibouncer]

surely some of you guys forgot about PREACHER hes like the most experienced thai boxer out of australia plus a world champ

[LXXIX]

quote:Originally posted by kiwibouncer

surely some of you guys forgot about PREACHER hes like the most experienced thai boxer out of australia plus a world champ

intrim world champ.at the moment

[wheels]

Yes i went off track there abit.
Sorry HAMMER:) >>>>>>>>>>>>&

[Dynamite Drew]

quote:Originally posted by Hellfighter
DD, did DutchBoyGym hold both MuayThai and Boxing World Titles at the same time?


i went and looked at the post videos thread (should have before asking that question) and yes its the same samson

i posted his fight against verapol and you posted that they had fought twice and refered to samson as samson esarn so that answered my question

i only remembered his boxing name - dutchboygym

i have fixed it up on my list to his muay thai fighting name

cheers
drew

[Dynamite Drew]

quote:Originally posted by kiwibouncer

surely some of you guys forgot about PREACHER hes like the most experienced thai boxer out of australia plus a world champ



wouldnt call him an all time best tho

[Dynamite Drew]

quote:Originally posted by Hellfighter

what do Ernesto Hoost and Lennox Lewis have to do with "Thai Boxers"?



ernesto hoost fought muay thai well before K-1

dont forget he trained at VOS gym

here is one of his earlier fights in muay thai -
http://youtube.com/watch?v=iTzZawI2ZNI

[Ricky Bobby]

quote:Originally posted by Hellfighter
Paulo Tolca

Please tell me that's not a misspelling of Paulo Tocha's name, because I've never heard of a Paulo Tolca......And if it is Tocha, I'm not doing a critique due to the misspelling, but rather due to Tocha NOT belonging on an all-time list.

He deserves respect for being one of the earlier farangs to train in Thailand, but an all-time great he's not.....Unless you were impressed by his fights in Bloodsport and that Van Damme prison film.

[Hellfighter]

hehehehe, well done young Jedi

[Hellfighter]

if we can add Ernesto Hoost, I'll add: Remy Bonjasky & Alexsi Ignashov

also:

Perry Ubeda
Tony Hill
Dustin Engel


and I forgot Nuengtrakhan Por MuangUbon & Nuantharnee

[adrian]

quote:Unless you were impressed by his fights in Bloodsport and that Van Damme prison film.

That Van Damme prison film was great. KO via Van Damme biting the guys jugular. A bit of a change from his usual jumping spin kick finishing move.

[warriorxxx]

oh and I have a couple of photos of Orono's KO of Yod, but you all have to be nice to me :-P

PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[Hellfighter]

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/5905/yodsaenklaivsorono1xv8.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5191/yodsaenklaivsorono2jq3.jpg
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/6929/yodsaenklaivsorono3oq2.jpg

[adrian]

quote:Originally posted by Hellfighter

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/5905/yodsaenklaivsorono1xv8.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5191/yodsaenklaivsorono2jq3.jpg
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/6929/yodsaenklaivsorono3oq2.jpg



Was this before or after Yod vs Lakhin?

[Hellfighter]

BEFORE at least once and the 2nd fight is not remembered

*thanks to my human MuayThai Encyclopedia friend*

[adrian]

Thanks

[warriorxxx]

cheers hellfighter... yod looks smaller there..wld there be footage anywhere?

[Hellfighter]

not that I'm aware of mate... annoying though, because Lumpinee records every fight that takes place there nd doesn't release any of them

greedy turds

[Dynamite Drew]

so hard to name just 10 thais , there are so many that are so great

i have reasons why i picked the 10 i did , could have picked others quite easily as well

[Ricky Bobby]

quote:Originally posted by warriorxxx

cheers hellfighter... yod looks smaller there..wld there be footage anywhere?


I wouldn't be surprised if the fight was at featherweight. Orono's at super featherweight right now, and that fight was at least a few years ago.

I have some old Orono fights from around 9 years ago, I should check the footage out and see if they indicate what weight he was at then (If there's any indication at all, though, it would probably be in Thai, which I can't read or speak).


quote:Originally posted by Hellfighter

not that I'm aware of mate... annoying though, because Lumpinee records every fight that takes place there nd doesn't release any of them

greedy turds


At least there's hope......It would be great if they eventually release DVD's of some of the big cards, and also some cards with big name fighters.

I know Songchai has a bit of his own events available, but the more rare footage he has is only available on PAL Beta tapes and at an extraordinary price. :(

[Hellfighter]

shake'n'bake, Ricky Bobby

I have asked Songchai to burn some of these videos to DVD for me and I am just awaiting an answer and a cost

[Ricky Bobby]

quote:Originally posted by Hellfighter

shake'n'bake, Ricky Bobby

I have asked Songchai to burn some of these videos to DVD for me and I am just awaiting an answer and a cost


Are you talking about these videos here?

http://www.muaythai.co.th/onesongchai/thai/merchandise/muaythai_tape.htm

If so, SHAKE'N BAKE!!!!!

But, last time I asked, he sells each one-hour video from that page at $40 US.

I would love to get some of that footage, but not at the price of $40 US per 1hr tape......Then you factor in having to convert Beta (Unless you're one of the few out there with a PAL Betamax VCR), and the costs are horrendous.

[Hellfighter]

yep, those videos... they owe me a favour ;)

[Ausmat]

I thought that Paul Briggs would be worth an honorable mention on the Non Thai side of things. If he didnt stop fighting Muay Thai , he would have been a non farang legend.

[Hellfighter]

but, Briggs IS farang :-?

do you mean a "non-Thai" legend?

[dekker]

Best non Thai would have to be hands down Dany Bille! he fought and beat some of the best and even the Thai's recognised his ability he was a Thai in a frang's body a freak, his technique was pure Thai the french had some of the best Thai trainers and produced excellent Thai fighters and still do !

[Hellfighter]

there are Thais here that state they knew everything about MuayThai because they were raised within it, but then they met Dany Bille and they believed what they had learnt was wrong and he was right... a true credit to him

[Hitman]

1. Gurkan Ozkan
2. Stan Longinidis
3. Ian Jacobs
4. Baris Nezif
5. Badar Arafan
6. Mike Zambidis
7. Prince Amir
8. Nathan Corbett
9. John Wayne Parr
10. Daniel Dawson

[Hitman]

1. Gurkan Ozkan
2. Stan Longinidis
3. Ian Jacobs
4. Baris Nezif
5. Badar Arafan
6. Mike Zambidis
7. Prince Amir
8. Nathan Corbett
9. John Wayne Parr
10. Daniel Dawson

[TSINGANI]

I was about to have a crack at your last post Hitman, then i saw you rated Badar Arafan highly.

Does anyone remember any of his fights?

[Hellfighter]

hey Hitman, just a question: why have you got 4 fighters in your list that to my knowledge have NEVER fought under FULL Thai Rules and 1 that I'm not 100% sure of?

1. Gurkan Ozkan
3. Ian Jacobs... has he ever fought with elbows?
4. Baris Nezif
5. Badar Arafan
6. Mike Zambidis

[Bryan]

Hellfighter-

who said that about Danny Bill? That is an incredible compliment.


Ricky Bobby
"Kaolan was a top dog in his prime, but he lacked top notch opposition aside from a few opponents like Djepitak."

I've got to disagree with you about his opposition- Kaolan fought tons of top opposition-Khunsuk, Namsaknoi, Rambojiew, Samkor, Pajonsuk to name a few. He even fought everyones top farang list fighter, Danny Bill

[kiwibouncer]

THAI'S
YOD
JOMHOD
BUAKAW
NEURAPOL

OTHER'S
JWP
CHOPPA
PREACHER
DAWSON
CARNAGE
SPONG
STING

[PMONEY]

1. Tong-Po
2. Jean Claude Vanne-Dam
3. Kostya Tszu

[PMONEY]

NON THAI
1.Ramon Dekkers
2.Rob Kaman
3.Ronnie Green
4.Danny Bille
5.John Wayne Parr
6.Farid Villaume
7.Nathan Corbett
8.Jean Charles Skarbowsky
9.Mohamed Magomedov
10.Ben Burton
Daniel Dawson





THAI
1. Apidej Sit Hirun
2. Samart Payakaroon
3. Santiennoi Sor Roongroj
4. Jongsanan Fairtex
5. Coban Lookjaomaesaithong
6. Rambo Pongsiri Por Pongsawang
7. Sakmongkon Sitchuchork
8. Namkhabuan Nongkheepahuyuth
9. Anantasak Panyuthapoom
10.Saenchai Sor. Kingstar


very hard but I guess when you judge by:
Skill/Heart/Talent/Strength/force/Entertainment
there are many present day fighters of both which we will one day speak of. Some we know already, will go down in history. But as at now; others have not yet entered the museum listings...

[punjabi puncher]

JOMHOD... saenchai... malaipet... buakaw... sakmongol... yodsanklai.. samart...

[mightyMOP]

namkabuan my favourite thai fighter GENIUS!!!!!!!

and john wayne parr without a dout the greatest western fighter in the world!

[Hellfighter]

Namkhabuan was indeed an awesome fighter, a real shame he threw it all away on the promise of money for throwing a fight :-(

[mightyMOP]

damm not a great way to finish up

[LXXIX]

dimitri shakuta from belarus....go to youtube and watch him...he a machine

[Daz]

Yes LXXIX, I fought Shakuta a few years ago, gave him a good run but just lost on pts, he was hard as hell to fight, tall, fast & strong. He's in the special services in Belarus now, hence not real active anymore.

DC.

[imported_n/a]

wow daz bet that waz a real war
wish could have seen that..
he a strong fit fighter

[LXXIX]

quote:Originally posted by Daz

Yes LXXIX, I fought Shakuta a few years ago, gave him a good run but just lost on pts, he was hard as hell to fight, tall, fast & strong. He's in the special services in Belarus now, hence not real active anymore.

DC.

yeah heard that.....got told after i watched some of dimitris high lights, my jaw dropped .....respect....you even gave boom boom a touch up aswell didnt ya?

[LXXIX]

forhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6xgsWmftkA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUXzwlLqIgM&feature=related
here is some footage for those who havnt seen him fight......enjoy

[mightyMOP]

quote:Originally posted by Daz

Yes LXXIX, I fought Shakuta a few years ago, gave him a good run but just lost on pts, he was hard as hell to fight, tall, fast & strong. He's in the special services in Belarus now, hence not real active anymore.

DC.


DAZ!!!! fcuking hell that Shakuta is an animal that would of been an absolute WAR between use to!!!!RESPECT!!!!

[LXXIX]

quote:Originally posted by mightyMOP

quote:Originally posted by Daz

Yes LXXIX, I fought Shakuta a few years ago, gave him a good run but just lost on pts, he was hard as hell to fight, tall, fast & strong. He's in the special services in Belarus now, hence not real active anymore.

DC.


DAZ!!!! fcuking hell that Shakuta is an animal that would of been an absolute WAR between use to!!!!RESPECT!!!!

plenty more footage on you tube of him mightymop...sit back and enjoy

[mightyMOP]

haha will do!

[Daz]

Thanks. Yeh a war alright, I remember one bit, smashing his mouthguard half out of his mouth with a big elbow, then he looked over at his trainer & paid me back with a big jumpin knee to my throat region, ouch!
Yes i've beaten Boom Boom LXXIX.

DC.

[LXXIX]

PLEASE SAY YOU HAVE A COPY SOMEWHERE

[mightyMOP]

well all i can say is ANIMAL(S)!!!!

[Daz]

Yeh got a copy somewhere, Predator has seen it, he loved it.

DC.

[SPADA]

Belarus is without doubt a powerhouse in muay thai.

Heavily backed by their own government with funding to boot.

The Kickfighters gym has an impressive list of past and present World champions.

http://muaythai.org.by/index_en/zvezdy_en.php

check out the link

even one of bushi's favs is in there

Alexei Pekarchik

cheers Spada

[Bushi]

FARK YEAH.... bring back Alexei Pekarchyk [:p]

We didn't see enough of him, last I heard he was studying in Sydney but not fighting..

[LXXIX]

wish we got goverment funding...just imagine that,we can send the fighters who deserve to go to the world championships instead of the guys that can afford it....wonder if kevin 07 will change things??

[mightyMOP]

the government should put money into our wonderfull sport!!

[imported_n/a]

would be good..i seen many good fiters miss out
cuz of no coin..
and alot of green fighters go n get destroyd...but had the balls to have a go

[SPADA]

quote:We didn't see enough of him, last I heard he was studying in Sydney but not fighting..


I think the last time he fought.... he copped a bad decision against
Nezif from memory.

I definately would have liked to see him matched against our best fighters.

Maybe the cost would be too much ... but a Australia vs Belarus would go off.... and I am sure they ( Belarus ) would have someone
decent for the Carnage to fight as well.

cheers Spada

[imported_n/a]

yeah andrie molchanov vs carnage 86-90kg
look him up he good fighter..

[mightyMOP]

fcuk yeah that would be an awesum fight!!! andrie over carnage??

[Daz]

Haven't you fought & beaten Molchanov before bizr1??? I think I'm onto you mr X ;)

DC

[imported_n/a]

no im middle weight andrei way to big....
like i said get your faxs right b4 you talk sh@t

[imported_n/a]

hellfighter did you fight thor??????

[Hellfighter]

fark no! he's huge, I'm fat... but a damn good trainer ;)

[imported_n/a]

what gym???
who are your top fighters

[Hellfighter]

no top fighters, I'm just full of myself... but I do help look after the Gym of (Dr) Saenchai Sor Kingstar here in Bangkok

does that get me a cyber pat on the back?

email me and I'll share more of my amazing adventures and conquests!!

[adjames]

Thais
Orono- I saw the old Orono fight in ubon 2 years ago he still looked impressive smashing some young punk.
Attachai- i watched him dismantle Anuwat . Fighting style was nice kicking Anuwats arms.

Non Thais
Ramon Dekkers- the push kick in Oronos face is the best ever.
JWP..the purest thai style.