PHOTOS ARE UP - QBH DISTRUCTION 18th MAY 08

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<center>QBH DISTRUCTION

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QBH SOUTH BANK (VIC)
1 Queensbridge St South Bank
Sunday 18th May 2008
Doors Open 5:30pm Show Starts 7:00pm </center>

[ChrisQ]

Any word on proposed matchups?

[allanf]

I thought Kamil Yucel was going to rematch Tass??

[ChrisQ]

Would make for a good fight. My money would still be on Tass though.
Either way will be a great show, the shows at QBH always are. Best fight venue in town IMO.

[shaunw]

not having a go at anyone, but im pretty sure distruction isnt a word???? should it be destruction???????

[Rickstar]

Kamil said he is saving himself for me, haha....

[soldier]

LOVE the spelling mistake lmao

[Michael Vukovic]

I ****ed up,... and I think I also got the computer to spell check it and thats how the Yanks spell it, I think YEH. So long as I get the money part correct, I can still sleep at night.....

[Michael Vukovic]

Some of the fight card.
Steve James Vs Kevin Maagniez
Kareem Hemeda Vs Eza
Tass Tsitiras Vs Kung Tran
Natham Gamble Vs Mohammed Ashna (Mod-Thai Rule State Title)
mehmet Ceyhan Vs TBA
jamie Adams Vs Carina Salvemini (Eastcoast title)
Sergio Arevena Vs Jake Mitchell
Eric Diamandstein Vs Peter chondious
Nick Raptis Vs Ryan Adams
simone Baley Vs Mel Klopser
Leigh Shipside Vs Anthony Buttergigg VABL
Eric VS Caz

MMA
Scott Gardner
Anthony Colulby

Also Fighting are
Mitch Mase, Gerry Kourtis, Dimos The Greek.

[dnt_look_bak]

I think kung tran will take the win over Taz. Kungs a very tough fighter n hits hard. But good luck to both boys

[Turkmen]

hey vukavic, whatever happend to turkey vs greece? and whares tzauramanis at? has he fought since he got robbed from the mehmet fight?

[Rickstar]

I hear Terry is fighting boxing only now. He is a very good fighter, i like that guy!!!! Whats with Turkey Vs Greece nights anyway? i just dont get it... Maybe i am just a silly aussie- but is it seriously important to you guys? i need a serious culture lesson people cause i dont know what the fuss is about- (seriously can someone enlighten me?) i like fighter Vs fighter (end of story)

[Michael Vukovic]

Hi Turkmen, No Terry still filling out the police report about the robbery. LOL
One minute you hate him next you love him. Are you changing your Red for Blue Turkmen.

[ChrisQ]

Natham Gamble Vs Mohammed Ashna should be a great fight.

[Mad_Hatter]

Rickstar... just a few thousand years of history...

[jabround]

I'm with Rickstar. I would much prefer fighter vs fighter instead of country vs country. Terry Tzouramanis is only boxing now and has had 2 fights this year for 2 wins. Big Bens Gym only trains boxers now.

[Locked Up]

Hi Mick,is Kevin Magniez V's Steve James the main event?

[Michael Vukovic]

I am still planning the order of the main fight because we have some of the fights on Sportsbet.com.au . so you will be able to bet on the fights.

[shaunw]

thats sweet that it is on sportsbet again.

[Turkmen]

whats with the turkish and greek flag if turks and greeks arent fighting eacother? whoever looks at the poster is gonna think its turkey vs greece, when its not. but thats what you want them to think dont you mate? pull up your pants mr vukavic, and put on some proper shows.

[ChrisQ]

quote:Originally posted by GOLDEN GREEK

pay for some real fighters that local fans want to see or simply call this show [ NIGHT OF NOVICES & BACKYARD BUMS ]

I think thats a bit of a rough comment on the fighters who are on this card. Whether they have had 30 or 3 fights, they still give it there all in the ring.

These cards are quite often the cards that have the good quality local fights. Terry Vs Steve Baldachinno comes to mind, and I'm sure others could name some more.

[MTfighter]

Posted - 26 Apr 2008 : 09:10:10
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ABOUT TIME someone had the balls to say something about these
bvllsht shows were promoters try to pit country against country in order to pull a crowd so he can cover up his pittyfull fight
card .come on boys TARIK has gone dont try being another tarik
theres only ever been one super promoter and honstley people and
fight fans arnt realy that stupid so dont be like another melbourne
promoter and open those cob-web pockets up and pay for some real
fighters that local fans want to see or simply call this show [
NIGHT OF NOVICES & BACKYARD BUMS ] wake up to YOUR-SELF



IT's not 2 hard 2 work out who this is, First u jump on licking
jason tramseks balls and pumping him up sky high, then u seem 2
know so much intel about the promoters world and then u go bag other
fighters/promoters that arnt affilated with team ultimate, it's
actuly so sad 2 c a grown man act out like u do.


P.S. U have exactly the same writing style as Carl tramsek(jason's
Father) lol and a very bad and ungrammered writing style.. thats how
i realised it was u, known 4 a while now.

[Bushi]

I think you might be off the mark MTF, cos if you read this link http://www.sportzblitz.net/Forum/topic.asp?whichpage=1.53125&TOPIC_ID=12684#173255 he said much the same think, so i DOUBT it's who you think it is..

At the end of the day it's simple, you go watch the shows / fights YOU think are worth paying to see, and Ultimte and Fight Force get more bums on seats that other shows, so they are putting on what their fans / supporters want to see, that's their job in promoting to their respective markets and they do it well.

[Bushi]

quote:Originally posted by Turkmen

whats with the turkish and greek flag if turks and greeks arent fighting eacother? whoever looks at the poster is gonna think its turkey vs greece, when its not. but thats what you want them to think dont you mate? pull up your pants mr vukavic, and put on some proper shows.

Turkmen, I looked at it and thought SMART marketing, cos it DOES NOT say they are fighting each other, it just shows their heritage, which, if that captures the attention of the fans of the respective nationalities and it puts bums on seats, so be it..

Anyway, you should go support Mehmet, he's of Turkish decent and that's who you follow... Good fighter too... When will we see him fighting with Knees again Michael..;)

[wildaction]

Anyone have any idea on when we will see Mark Mullens fighting again ????

Stu.

[Rocky]

LMAO... Cant let go of the turk/greek flags..

[James Turner]

this is one of the ugliest posters i've ever seen.

[NickaNacka]

Hi,
Is there an up to date fight card for this show?
Cheers

[Reidzzz]

when are we gonna see tass vs mehmet?
pretty sure im not the only one here who wants to see tass take the aussie title.

[ASSASSIN]

quote:Originally posted by Reidzzz

when are we gonna see tass vs mehmet?
pretty sure im not the only one here who wants to see tass take the aussie title.


Agreed.

Would love to see that match.

[ASSASSIN]

B.t.w. Mike, just wondering how come the Vic title match is a modified Muay Thai rather than Full Thai rules?

thanx, Assassin :)

[1crain1]

quote:Originally posted by James Turner

this is one of the ugliest posters i've ever seen.
guess you put your name to what everyone else was thinking.

ka pai.

[Michael Vukovic]

you are not going to see Tass Vs Mehmet or Steve James, in the near future because they all Train out of Sting Gym. These guys sparr each other every week. Tass Train's with Bill from Sharks gym but the use our gym.
I was offered Ben White to fight Mehmet Ceyhan Under Thai Rules on Im's show in July. I Am considering this fight with the only problem being that I am 99% sure Mehmet prefers Kickboxing Rules. I am sure we can meet half way and take it with A-1 Rules. [8D]

[overhandright]

how come no ultimate boyz on da show ? Put dem on an you get bumz on seets , simple .

[ASSASSIN]

quote:
I was offered Ben White to fight Mehmet Ceyhan Under Thai Rules on Im's show in July. I Am considering this fight with the only problem being that I am 99% sure Mehmet prefers Kickboxing Rules. I am sure we can meet half way and take it with A-1 Rules. [8D]


that's a match up i'd definetely like to see. Hope it happens.


Maybe in a-1 rules, or or if Tass is willing to fight under thai rules, Michael Demitriou vs. Tass Tsitsiras. That would be mad.

[ASSASSIN]

By the way, Michael, just a suggestion from a fan (me, lol), I know most of the matches on your show are kickboxing rules matches, but I'd prefer to see as many kickboxing rules matches on your show as possible, and less Muay Thai/K-1/MMA matches.


Don't get me wrong, I prefer Muay Thai, and do Muay Thai, however I still appreciate kickboxing, and I'd like to see the art of kickboxing continue because unfortunetely it's dieing out quickley, even in Melbourne, and your one of the few promoters in Australia that still has kickboxing rules matches on his show.

And another thing. Your show last time went for 5 hours, which is tough on a Sunday night, when we have work early the next morning [:p]
A shorter 3 1/2 hour show would do fine lol
Just some suggestions, keep up the good work.

[KateB]

Hi michael

What time and where will the weigh in be held?

Thanks

[Michael Vukovic]

Hi Assassin, It might seem that Kickboxing is loosing its footing but I can justify the facts.
Fightforce- Attendence at QBH are 5 to 10 times what you would get on any Muay Thai Show in Melbourne Without disrespecting Muay Thai Shows. They are still growing.
The trueth is the only events that will effect Kickboxing in Melbourne will be MMA.
This transision has already happened in several countries around the world. Las Vagas MMA is the go. And where the money is for the fighters.

As for the 5 hour show at QBH (Sundays). the show starts at 7pm SHARP. It is over in 3 to 3.5 Hours. ALWAYS... The Boxing Ring is in the Truck by 12.30am...
But if you are including the Door opening times in your Calc I can't help you....

Hi KateB,
Dr Lewis clinic 1232 High Street Armadale. 7pm Saturday.

[DazMon]

Michael Demitriou vs. Tass Tsitsiras, those guys use to train & spar together ALL THE TIME for AGES.
I don't reckon it will happen, someone prove me wrong.

[Rickstar]

quote:Originally posted by DazMon

Michael Demitriou vs. Tass Tsitsiras, those guys use to train & spar together ALL THE TIME for AGES.
I don't reckon it will happen, someone prove me wrong.


Dont think it will be hard to get Tass a match any time in Melb. The guy is a huge talent with many people wanting a crack at him i would think.

[allanf]

Any news on the final Undercard????

[U.LOCO]

Fight card for this show[?][?][?]

[Kevin M.]

Kate,
Weigh in Sat, 7pm sharp at Dr. Peter Lewis recreation medical center, 1232 High St Armadale.
3 days to go before the fight:D Bring it on [}:)]

[KateB]

thanks for that:)

[wildaction]

Hi Michael....

Good luck with the show on sunday mate , I just had a chat with Con 10mins ago but can't make it along ( mother inlaws birthday dinner).

i'm sure it will be another very successful night for you all.

Stu.

[ASSASSIN]

quote:Originally posted by Michael Vukovic

Hi Assassin, It might seem that Kickboxing is loosing its footing but I can justify the facts.
Fightforce- Attendence at QBH are 5 to 10 times what you would get on any Muay Thai Show in Melbourne Without disrespecting Muay Thai Shows. They are still growing.
The trueth is the only events that will effect Kickboxing in Melbourne will be MMA.
This transision has already happened in several countries around the world. Las Vagas MMA is the go. And where the money is for the fighters.

As for the 5 hour show at QBH (Sundays). the show starts at 7pm SHARP. It is over in 3 to 3.5 Hours. ALWAYS... The Boxing Ring is in the Truck by 12.30am...
But if you are including the Door opening times in your Calc I can't help you....

Hi KateB,
Dr Lewis clinic 1232 High Street Armadale. 7pm Saturday.


Fair enough.

Thanks for your reply, :)

[allanf]

No news on the undercard, looks like a no go, crap organisation!!!

[Lucy Tui]

Goodluck for your show Michael & Con I am sure it will be another successful event. Great venue.
Regards
Lucy Tui:)

[imported_n/a]

Hey Assassin I think you'll find Stan the Man is an Australian Hero with Greek heritage

[ASSASSIN]

quote:Originally posted by fight-fan

Hey Assassin I think you'll find Stan the Man is an Australian Hero with Greek heritage


Well he did compete for Australia considering he lives here, obviously, however he is of Greek blood.

Now, whether you consider him Australian or Greek is up to the individual, or any 2nd generation Greek living here, an Australian or Greek is also up to the individual.... However Stan is a member of Greek youth club's, such as the ''Hellas Fan Club'', and has made entrances to the ring with the Greek flag, and had the Greek flag on his shorts, has represented Greece in team kickboxing events before, therefore it is not wrong to call him a Greek in my opinion :)

[ChrisQ]

As far as I'm concerned if your born here, then your Australian.

[gvmartialarts]

Ohhhhhhh Chris, get ready bro.

[Bushi]

In her 1st fight back from a debilitating broken arm, Kate Bruzanitti from Sor.Jaiphet won UPD over Simone Khoury from SMAC gym...

Also fought off a dose of what seemed like the flu / 5hits..[:I] today to get in there...

Well done Kate, WELL on your road to recovery... next step, Supremacy Perth v Caley Lewis, your biggest test yet, but we know you have the the goods to shine..:D

Chok Dee....

[gvmartialarts]

Well done Kte, hard luck Simone, good to see you guys in the ring again.

[ChrisQ]

Congrats to Kate, good to see her back in the ring.

[DazMon]

Good stuff Bruzza!

[KateB]

BUSHI!!![:I] hehe yeah i wasn't feeling the best [:I]

Thanks for all of the support guys!
Simone is a tough chick, thanks for a great fight.

[pahos69]

Well done Michael and Con, EXCELLENT show and venue. Fights where close matched (good to see), enjoyed Tass's fight and is realy showing some fantastic skills and endurance. Last few seconds he was gung ho punching away, also Kung Tran a very tough fighter. Dimos Soficleos was on fire as he always is, not one step back from the man. Well done to Perry the pornstar, didnt miss a beat, very proffessional. Thoroughly enjoyed the show, thank you Mike.

Paris

[Turkmen]

full card please? who beat who etc.

[SylviaS]

Well Done Kate =)

[1crain1]

ungh . . .

kate won her fight but i missed it
gerry koutis(sp?) stopped the lad he was fighting in the third . . not sure exactly how/what with but the kid was limping like mad from the second and looked like he said "my leg is ****ed"
two birds fought for some title (four rounds + shin guards?) the taller leaner one won it, deservingly)
rugierre stopped nick raptis with a body rip in the 1st
nathan gamble vs mohammed ashna was also for a title belt(4 rounds and shinguards again . .wtf?), some muay thai one this time. nathan came out nicely in the first round with a high work rate, landing a lot of punches. unlucky to get an 8count against him after mohammed caught his kick and dumped him. second round much the same, nathan doing more of the work. last two rounds mohammed turned it up a bit. didn't see the decision but assuming mohammed took the win on points.

went home after that.

[KateB]

Hi all,
On another note..
I left my favourite jkt in the corner room last night.:( It is a black hooded hip length jacket, with 2 pockets at the front. If anyone happened to pick it up can you please let me know?

Thanks :)
k.bruzzaniti@psychology.org.au

[Kevin M.]

Hey Kate, I was the last one leaving the change room last night. There was no jkt there sorry. Maybe someone picked it up before then...

[wogstar]

All i can say tass killed kong the kids getting better and better every fight and so is his fan base. i spoke to tass's trainer bill on the night and he told me to pass on a msg Bill; " we will take on anyone ,anywhere , anytime its about time tass got the respect that he deserves" from bill. And i agree with him well done tass keep training hard.

[pahos69]

quote:Originally posted by 1crain1

ungh . . .

nathan came out nicely in the first round with a high work rate, landing a lot of punches. unlucky to get an 8count against him after mohammed caught his kick and dumped him.



That was unfortunate for the 8 count because the same punch and dump was executed but the 8 count was not applied. I think the ref should of been consistent. (maybe i seen it wrong)

[Michael Vukovic]

So Let me see Wogstar. You spoke to Bill and he said Tass can fight Mehmet. As I said before and I will say again. Both boys train out of the same gym. The only guy who spoke to bill on the night about future fights was Terry(tass's Brother). So if you are Tass's Brother and speaking out of order without checking with the trainer.

[wogstar]

sorry my bad that came out the wrong way i know that memhet and and tass will never happen and i would never want it happen sorry michael didnt mean to come across that way if you want to throw me in the ring and teach me a lesson ill understand very sorry

[Patong]

Full results anyone?

[Reidzzz]

what about a rematch between tass and terry?

[perrycale]

Cracker of a Main Event announced last night for the next QBH show-George 'Rolling Thunder'Sofocleous taking on the 2 time world champ Daniel 'The Grim Reaper'America on the 21st of September, the day before the Brownlow Medal.

[Kevin M.]

Hey Michael, thanks for giving me the opportunity to fight one of your boy. Tough fight, he was better than me on the night full stop. I just could not fight him proper when he had me on the ropes [V]and I got a bit frustrated :(... Oh well... But no more kickboxing for me ah ah only with knees :D
The venue was awesome!! and so were the ring girls [:I]

[ASSASSIN]

so what were the full results for the night?

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<center>RESULTS
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FIGHT 1 - KICKBOXING - 3x2min
Magela Klopfer 54.00kg vs Simone Bailey 53.60kg
Winner by TKO: Simone Bailey

FIGHT 2 - MODIFIED MUAY THAI - 3x2min
Simone Khoury 58.90kg vs Kate Bruzzaniti 59.00kg
Winner by Decision: Kate Bruzzaniti

FIGHT 3 - KICKBOXING 3x2min
Dimos Sofroniou 71.10kg vs Anthony Cowley 67.70kg
Winner: Dimos Sofroniou

FIGHT 4 - KICKBOXING 3x2min
Erik Poikan 79.00kg vs Mitch Mace 75.60kg
Winner by KO in 1st: Mitch Mace

FIGHT 5 - KICKBOXING - 3x2min
Gerry Kourtis 70.20kg vs Aaron Ryan
Winner by TKO: Gerry Kourtis

FIGHT 6 - EASTCOAST TITLE - 4x2min
Jamie Adams 58.00kg vs Carina Salvemini 56.20kg
Winner: Carina Salvemini

FIGHT 7 - KICKBOXING 3x2min
Nick Raptis 72.60kg vs Adrian Ruggieri 74.00kg
Winner by KO in 1st: Adrian Ruggieri

FIGHT 8 - VIC TITLE - MODIFIED MUAY THAI - 4x2min
Mohammed Ashna 64.00kg vs Nathan Gamble 62.50kg
Winner: Mohammed Ashna

FIGHT 9 - VIC TITLE - KICKBOXING - 4x2min
Tass Tsitsiras 69.40kg vs Cuong Tran 70.10kg
Winner by Unanimous Decision: Tass Tsitsiras

FIGHT 10 - KICKBOXING - 3x2min
Kareem Hemeda 88.30kg vs Azer Bektas 86.10kg
Winner by Unanimous Decision: Kareem Hemeda

FIGHT 11 - KICKBOXING - 4x2min
Steve James 70.90kg vs Kevin Magniez 70.90kg
Winner by Decision: Steve James</center>

[vorg]

Photos will be up late tonight (midnight)

[DazMon]

Aaron Ryan fought AGAIN?

[ChrisQ]

quote:Originally posted by DazMon

Aaron Ryan fought AGAIN?


I was wondering who would spot that first.

[Bushi]

quote:Originally posted by ChrisQ

quote:Originally posted by DazMon

Aaron Ryan fought AGAIN?


I was wondering who would spot that first.
And he's on Hacksaws next show too..

[Michael Vukovic]

Thanks Kevin, I know you prefer the Knee fights but I do think you did well in kickboxing anyway.
And yes Aaron fought again because of the last minate pull out of a fighter on Gerry. Gerry has had 3 pull outs on 3 of my shows so I made sure not matter what, he would get a opponent. Aaron step in with 1 day notice and was even winning the early round but got cought in the 3rd round and lucky for Gerry because with only 1 fight record on Gerry's card, Aaron was Too experienced for Gerry. Gerry got the win by TKO.
Gerry is 34 years old and as a late starter to kickboxing I respect his determination in getting in and having a go.

[DazMon]

Good stuff Gerry!

[vorg]

Hi PPL,

Just finished uploading photo on my site, will post some here later....

[scottya]

New or old diggy cam Terry ?

[vorg]

Hi Scottya, new cam, but need to tweek it a bit more, first go with it.

[vorg]

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FIGHT 1

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FIGHT 2

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FIGHT 3

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[vorg]

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FIGHT 4

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FIGHT 5

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FIGHT 6

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FIGHT 7

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[vorg]

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FIGHT 8

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[vorg]

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FIGHT 9

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[vorg]

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FIGHT 10

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[vorg]

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FIGHT 11

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[vorg]

There are more photos back on my site, hope you like them.....

[DazMon]

Check out fight #1, pic #1, Full Thai Rules!!!!!!

[Viper]

Anyone notice the photos, Kate Bruzzanti and Simone Khoury fought no shin pads and yet the title fighters wore them, what is the go with that?????????
If your good enough to fight for a title then why wear shinny's????
I am not bagging the fighters, but if your putting on title fights show some guts and get rid of the pads.

Sharon

[1crain1]

yea, wondered about that on the night. tink i saw a trainer make a reference to it before a fight too.. . it's kinda weird, 'specially when other states don't wear them ever.

[Michael Vukovic]

The shin pad rule is fu-.ck up in Victoria. You are allowed to elbow, knee but you must use shin pads with uder 5 fights under you belt. and yes the boards rule are changing in July with only 3 fights for shin pads. The opponent's team wanted shin pads. They told me a few weeks before the show But I failed to relay this to The other side because the few time I rang I didn't get through to them so I forgot after a few days and only found out the misunderstanding on the night.

[DazMon]

3 fights for shin guards is better, considering a lot of fighters are doing amateur & novice events these days to get experience before the big shows like Fight Force.

[ChrisQ]

I wasn't aware it was changing to 3 fights. If so that's a much better rule that can only benefit the sport.

Good to see some common sense being used when decisions on guidelines are made.