Fox, Sky, What?

[Paul]

Hey guys,
Tarik's last show was on Sky PPV clubs and pubs only.
So what is the next show going to be?
Is it going to be televised at all?

I notice that it's to be held at the Keilor Basketball Stadium. I don't have any problem with that, but I hope that this doesn't mean that Kickboxing will no longer be held at the Casino. I don't know guys, but if that happened, it would just feel like kickboxing has lost some of it's prestige to me.

If anyone knows what Fox plans to do this year regarding covering kickboxing events, please fill us in.

[Jack Mackeral]

It would be nice to know the figures for the K1 PPV. There were six people at the venue we watched from. The publican was not impressed at all.
Kickboxing seems destined to stay a minor sport in Australia until the major media players like Murdoch or Packers lackies take a real interest in its developement.

[remy]

Tarik has been packing the showroom a lot lately and I guess he is anticipating that 1200-1500 capacity showroom may not hold the crowd. There are a lot of Greeks in Melbourne and they will probably flock to Keilor to watch the greek boys. Realistically there is every chance that with good advertising he can push it to 3000 people. He would have filled the palladium but its not a great view from the back. The keilor basketball centre has stadium seating giving everyone a fair view. Is that where the late Celal Ilhan and Tosca fought many years ago?

[madjack]

Does anyone honestly think 3000 people will fit in at Keilor???

[Paul]

I was just looking at the seating capacity the other night. I really can't see it holding a great deal more people in the stands that what can allready be seated at the Crown. Though, without tables I imagine they could probably fit several hundred more spectators around the ring.

[remy]

Each section looks like 12-15 seats each row. I think there were 4 sections on one side. That's about 50-55 seats across each row. I think there were 24 rows, well thats what my friend counted. 50 X 24 = 1200. That is for one side. So as a guess I could see at least 2500 getting in there. Remember he will pack the floor with about 300-400 seats.

[qlander]

No offence to you guys, but really. Out of all of the shows that I have seen televised on National TV (fox etc) there have been only a few fights (I say fights, not shows) that I consider outstanding. Allen vs Parr, the 8 man eliminater, Amir, but apart from that most (if not all) of the prelim fights are crap. I watched the Boonchu Cup held by Rising promotions on the Gold Coast the other weekend and was blown away. The 1st 6 fights were novice (some only 1st or 2nd fight) but were such an awesome standard of Muay Thai that anyone would be impressed. Then came the Pro fights, all with elbows and knees to the head. They were skill-full, brutal, tough and so entertaining. Believe me when I say that the novice/amatuer fights on this show were better than some of the main event Solak fights and the presentation and production very profesional. Fox Sports should talk to Rising Promotions and get these shows on TV, QLD is leading the way for Muay Thai. Sorry boys, KB is boring in comparison, just like boxing is boring compared to KB.

[qlander]

No offence to you guys, but really. Out of all of the shows that I have seen televised on National TV (fox etc) there have been only a few fights (I say fights, not shows) that I consider outstanding. Allen vs Parr, the 8 man eliminater, Amir, but apart from that most (if not all) of the prelim fights are crap. I watched the Boonchu Cup held by Rising promotions on the Gold Coast the other weekend and was blown away. The 1st 6 fights were novice (some only 1st or 2nd fight) but were such an awesome standard of Muay Thai that anyone would be impressed. Then came the Pro fights, all with elbows and knees to the head. They were skill-full, brutal, tough and so entertaining. Believe me when I say that the novice/amatuer fights on this show were better than some of the main event Solak fights and the presentation and production very profesional. Fox Sports should talk to Rising Promotions and get these shows on TV, QLD is leading the way for Muay Thai. Sorry boys, KB is boring in comparison, just like boxing is boring compared to KB.

[paul c]

Gee, that's a bit harsh glander.
I've seen lots of great fights, some that aren't brilliant technically but exciting non the less. And many fine shows, and I've only been following the sport since 99.

Behic V Dawson
Behic V Amir
Parr V Dawson
Parr V Chapman
Behic V Duett
Nezif V Zambidis, possibly the best I've ever seen.
Zambidis V Cope,
Nezif V Duett



Nikalau V Chapman on an Ultimate show. (I think that's what Perry's opponents name was, not Shane Chapman)
Ozkan V Vermoa from a few weeks ago. I love watching Ozkan for the same reasons I like watching Tyson. You just know something dramatic is going to happen, well most times.

Daniel Tai V Nick Kara, man I have never seen a crowd go dead silent like that before.I think we were all in shock. It was the exact opposite of the crowd reacting to Nezif K.Oing Duett on the bell. Pretty shallow, but I love a big K.O finish. I guess I love a dramatic surprise outcome.
Sometimes even a cut stopage can be really interesting, eg the Foley V Tai fight on Bradfords show was so bizarre. Foley just couldn't believe what happened when he saw the blood. The rematch is going to be crazy.
I guess many of these things I'm talking about can only be experienced live. The T.V just doesn't come close to capturing the extent of the crowds emotions.
I love going to the Melbourne shows, though I can only compare them to the shows in Sydney and not to Queensland. I don't think I have ever been to one that I felt was a total waste of time. The majority of them have been pretty good, the rest outstanding. Are you sure that your not judging them simply because they are not to the rules that you prefer?
I'm sure we've all seen a couple of dodgy fights from most states, but I do agree that you guys have some great fights and fighters up there, and the majority of shows have been good on fox. But I reckon the Melbourne shows are just as exciting.

[qlander]

OK, so some of the main fights are OK (or even exciting), but certainly not all worthy of National exposure. And I absolutely say that most of the prelim fights are ****e (richard bradfords prelims are terrible). The Boonchu fights from start to finish were world class, and some of the prelim fighters had been in the ring only once or twice (supposeldly). And I don't appolagise for saying that muay thai is more exciting than KB. It is true, most kickboxing fans find boxing boring if it goes past 4 or 5 rounds, well Muay Thai makes KB boring for the same reason.

The more weapons, the fewer rules, the more exciting the ring sport.

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[madjack]

Hi Glander,
What do you think of UFC and Spartan..

[qlander]

Hi Madjack,

I enjoyed the old UFC's. The ones with no time limits and only 2 rules. I watched a couple of the latest ones (with Mo Smith fighting) and was dissapointed. It seems to me that just like in other sports, the Americans were losing so they changed the rules. If you check the explanation of the rules in each video, they add some new rules almost each show. The rules seem to suit the American style wrestler with huge muscles and no neck. One such rule is that you are not allowed to kick your opponent on the ground. That means that if the wrestler puts his knee down to "shoot" you, you cannot kick (or knee) him. Pretty biased I think.

I like the idea of Spartan (I have never seen a show) because I think you will get to see a wide variety of fighting moves used.

Like I said, the more weapons (that are actually used) and the fewer rules, the better the ring sport.

[Matt]

I can see why you prefer full blown Muay Thai to Kickboxing. But as a keen boxing enthusiast (my first love is muay thai though) I think that both are totally different sports that I enjoy on totaly different levels. Muay Thai is excellent for the extreme no holds barred fight action. I love watching the fighters methodicaly probe at eachother before unleashing powered up techniques. In Kickboxing I love watching the flow of the fight alowed by the restrictions of knees and elbows. (I have found some Muay Thai fights boring in the past as the fight does not flow well and the only effective technique produced is a rather anti climactic round knee in a tight grapple.)

I love the footwork of a crafty boxer with crisp clean technique. It truly is the sweet science. Fights like Hopkins Vs Trinidad are just awesome to watch.

For some reason Im not as interested in No holds barred fighting. Although I have been interested enough to watch some of Royce Gracies fights. I dont really enjoy WWF style wrestling.

Now I dont want to be involved in a state rivalry, but I have to say that Ultimate Promotions have been putting on very high quality shows for years now. I think that in the past Tariks shows have relied to heavily on the headliners and resulted in a raher weak undercard.

For years now Melbourne has been considered Australia's home for kickboxing. Over the past decade Qld has progressed to a high standard on what appears to be a strict diet of Thai Boxing. Fighters like Paul Briggs, Nugget and Ian Jacobs flew the flag for Qld in the past, now we have world rate thai boxers like Nathan Corbet,John Wayne Parr and Shannon Forester who continue to lift the standard of Australian (Qld) Muay Thai.

Anyway, I am rambling now and lost track of what my point was, if I had one to begin with.

I rekon a Qld Vs Vic show would be great. Ofcourse it would have to be held in Melbourne. lol ;)



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