It's official. Zambidis vs Ozkan! [Archive] - International Kickboxer Forum

ThaiBoxer

01-03-2003, 08:46 PM

It's official! At the end of this year probably December show, Gurkan will take on Mike Zambidis. Tarik himself informed me about this fight. They will not fight right now because of Mike's commitments in Japan and the K1. After that he will have one fight in Greece, then coming back to Melb in September for another fight and either December or February he will face Gurkan Ozkan. There is a possibility that Gurkan might go down to his normal weight at 78 kilos and Zambidis at 72. Mike told me that himself. So people, get ready for the showdown!!!!

paul c

01-03-2003, 09:00 PM

Did Mike mention who the other Aus fight will be against.

I'm having a guess at it maybe being Wayne.

Thougn, this is all going to be very close to the K1 Max Oceania, so perhaps they'll just meet there.

remy

02-03-2003, 05:12 AM

How do u confirm a fight a year away. Too many things can go wrong. It will depend on the outcome of other fights on the way.

remy

02-03-2003, 05:54 AM

On holidays i sleep from 5-12pm.

BULLET

02-03-2003, 01:25 PM

hey thaiboxer thats great info. how did u confirm this?? how are your contacts??

and who's coming in as the underdog here??? this is going to be interesting.

im looking forward to an interesting thread

remy

02-03-2003, 02:25 PM

I start uni tomorrow as well so we'll, but i'll adapt quick after a nights of little sleep.

Servant

02-03-2003, 02:50 PM

Janer you actually go to uni? Oh Lord there it is, the biggest indictment against our education system.

Which uni? Studying?

paul c

02-03-2003, 03:24 PM

Don't worry about Sash Janer,

Your genius was evident to me immediatly.

Servant

02-03-2003, 04:22 PM

I'm a priest at an orthodox church.:)
Pardon my ignorance but what is robotics exactly. Its been a long time since I was at any school.

ThaiBoxer

02-03-2003, 07:12 PM

Mike will not be fighting Waynne Parr. When JWP was asked to fight Mike on the 28th of April, Parr seemed reluctant. Mike's next opponent in Aus will most likely be Daniel Dawson.
In the Gurkan vs Zambidis fight later on this year, Mike will go up to 72 kilos

Rickstar

02-03-2003, 09:18 PM

Thaiboxer-
Hasn't Daniel Dawson retired? thought he retired, has been said in previous posts that he has. This would be a great fight but.

Glenn

02-03-2003, 10:03 PM

I wouldn't read too much into what Thaiboxer is saying guys.

Michael Schiavello

03-03-2003, 12:30 PM

Hi guys

For your information, Ozkan vs Zambidis is NOT official.

There is a lot of interest in this fight from the public and Zambidis has stated that he would like to take the fight, but as far as being confirmed yet it is not.

Tarik has said, however, that it is 'definitely a possibility'. That's where this fight is at at the moment.

Keep the interest for this one happening as interest = influence = LET'S GET IT ON!

Best Wishes

Michael

PS: Dawson has retired from kickboxing / Muay Thai to concentrate on boxing

harls

03-03-2003, 01:18 PM

I didn't take the info seriously. The show on the 28th April is Rays show I believe not Tariks, I don't think Tarik would want Zam fighting JWP on Rays show but on his, so he can make money from it. From what I gather, Tarik is Zam's puppet master so to speak. I think JWP is fighting a Japanese opponent as a replacement for Dawson. The only reason why JWP would be reluctant is if he had to fight Zam again in Melb, he could possibly face another "Hometown" decision.

Edited by - harls on 03 Mar 2003 12:21:01

Stathis

03-03-2003, 01:43 PM

if this fight is to happen, it should happen soon. one year down the track is too long to keep gurkan without loosing. if gurkan looses a fight before the zambidis fight it would kill the show! unless tarik protects gurkan until that day. no killers for gurkan until he fights zambidis please! how light can gurkan get too? 74kg?janer...anybody? i dont think zambidis can put too much on that alreay nuggety frame. 72kg i would say max. any more weight would see him in a body building comp!

paul c

03-03-2003, 04:10 PM

I can tell you that Gurkan told me he is prepared to fight Michael at 75kg.

I thought it was a bit light for Gurkan, so said are you sure to double check his statement.

Ozkan said yes.

This was two days after the fight with Stan.
I believe that this fight; should it happen, will honestly get the fans screaming. With Zams ring savy and Ozkan's brute power, it has to be an amazing match. Both have massive KO power.

It has to be said though, that we've seen Gurkan take killer shots and remain upright. This I have yet to see from Mike. Now, I am in no way saying anything bad, just that the worst I've seen Mike get hit is by JWP. Parr is powerful, but not as powerful as someone like Ozkan. So, I think it's going to be fascinating viewing both guys fight strategy.

Though, I just want to bring forward and then hopefully Michael will clarify as they give out more details. Ozkan said he'd love it to be a Super fight, but said it's more likely to happen in a tourny format.

Servant

03-03-2003, 11:04 PM

You haven't seen Mike hit hard because his defense is too good. Combine Mike's short stature and super-tight defence and Ozkan won't catch him clean. I'll put money on that. Trevor Ambrose who was never considered a puncher put Gurkan down with a short right. Mike hits stupidly hard for his weight. He can cary that power up divisions. If he hits Gurkan hard enough he'll get hurt. Simple as that. Vice Versa too of course, but combine it with Mike's FAR superior skill and I know where my $$$ will lay.

paul c

04-03-2003, 07:06 AM

Sash,
totally agreed about his defense.
But hopefully you guys still get what my point was.
We've seen Gurkan hit by Graham, Chris, Fagan and recently took a total smash of Stan.
I know Mike hits hard, but I don't know if that is comparable at all to the big guys.

When I say I don't know, I honestly mean that I don't know, and am not questioning Mike, but the total power and mechanics of it.
You guys will know better than me if someone of 72kg can physically power up as much as someone over 100kg.

Guys,
Mike is a great mover, but I don't think we've actually ever seen him going backwards, or running.

Do you guys think he's going to fight Gurkan like he had just about most other fights we've seen him in. Like, walking straight up and happy to exchange toe to toe?

Damn, I'm getting excited just picturing that scenario. Them just into it with bombing hands until one drops the other.

Zam might very well win on points, but I'd bet just about anything that Ozkan won't get KO'd.

Edited by - paul c on 04 Mar 2003 06:14:59

sethridge

04-03-2003, 11:15 PM

Here we go again " Ozkan cant lose Ozkan cant get k0ed" give me a break!! fact is ozkan has pressure points on his face Just like everybody else on this planet.. and if zam landed one clean and flush in the right spot ozkan would be gone. its about time he fought another worldclass fighter in their prime..

Edited by - sethridge on 04 Mar 2003 22:28:37

paul c

05-03-2003, 12:21 AM

Well, it's like looking at a form guide dude.

You look at the last 3 or 4 performances and you have a crack at picking the outcome.

After his track record, are you suggesting that a safer bet would be that Ozkan is going to be knocked out by a guy lighter than him. After he hasn't been knocked out by guys 30 kg heavier?

OK, that would make sense.

If Gurkan does win guys.
What will the reason be then?
Just another fluke.

Servant

05-03-2003, 04:09 AM

Paul allow my rebuttal:

1) Graham's not a puncher and regardless of that he didn't land any quality punches anyway. Not his forte, not his game plan.
2) Chris sure can whack but he never landed a clean shot on Gurkan. Too wild wth his looping punches. He did the damage with the leg kicks and that knee.
3) Fagan is definitely not a puncher. His game plan was to jab to keep Gurkan at range and attack the legs.
4) Stan was once upon a time a very hard hitter...I say was because in the Gurkan fight his punches were wild and often lacked snap and despite the knockdown he didnt really land a crisp shot on the chin either. He didn't (or can't) throw his hands like he once could. Off target and wild. He looks his age.

Mike's a puncher. He will bang. Gurkan will take shots. It's inevitable. Mike will take some too. Who's defense is better and who will prove more durable. Thats the key to the fight. Because when Mike starts landing it will hurt. And I see Gurkan havin trouble catching the little basstard with anything more than one shot at a time. Dont get me wrong I'm not saying Gurkan wil fold as soon as he is tagged, what I am saying is don't think Mike can't hurt him! If Mike lands a money shot on you you'll get stung. It goes both ways. Both can hurt the other.

BTW Paul when has he fought someone over 30kgs heavier? He weighed over 90kgs when he fought most those guys.

paul c

05-03-2003, 05:53 AM

How heavy was Peter Graham at the time, 115ish. Chris would have been around that mark. Okay, I've exagerated by 5 kg.

That's 45 kg heavier than a 70kg fighter. That's a lot of extra weight in punches even though that Peter might'nt be known as a power puncher. (His power has inproved heaps by the way, since he's been boxing).

No doubt Mike will catch Gurkan numerous times, Mike's just too sharp not to be able to land, and I'm sure it will hurt. But that's not what I was talking about.
I was saying that I don't think Zam will be the man to end it by KO. He's absolutely a KO finisher, but again, I just don't think it's going to happen with Ozkan. His just got too tough a chin.

Mike is very capable of winning this fight. I don't think anyone here will deny that he will be much faster.
But I think if that happens, it will be through point scoring.

If trying to predict a fight for the sake of good conversation only, and not for the sake of arguement, all we can do is look back on the past I think, and wonder what variables might play a role in a fighter winning. Unless we just want to pull something out of a hat and guess. Perhaps we can look back on Ozkan's fights with very skilled and fast fighters, Jacobs, Tibor etc. Unfortunately I haven't seen either of these fights, but I'm expecting Mike to be just as tough. But still, neither of those two ended it by KOing Gurkan.

So, looking back on Ozkan's past fights, even if they weren't with the biggest hitting heavy-weights, I'm still pretty confident it won't end by Gurkan being KO'd. Gurkan did get hit hard by stan, and he also got hit hard by Watt, he actually took a massive shot of Adam.

Edited by - paul c on 05 Mar 2003 05:30:51

Servant

05-03-2003, 01:39 PM

Hraham was 107, Gurkan was 93 or so. 14kg difference is a lo different to 45 kg. Heavyweights often give up weigh like that. As far as chances of a KO go None of those guys consistently hit Gurkan. Stan at this stage can not punch anywhere near the accuracy, the sharpness and consistensy of Mike. Trevor Ambrose isn't considered a puncher at all and he put Ozkan on his rump. How? Breaking Ozkan down, hitting from angles. When you guys watched that fight were you hugging eachother while crying? :)

Lets pose a question. Since you think its near impossible for a figter in the 70kg range to hurt Gurkan, would you safely say that oh Anthony Mundine would never be able to hurt Gurkan either if they were to box?

paul c

05-03-2003, 01:59 PM

Peter Graham 107,
Mike at 70.

That adds up to 14kg difference?

Both Mundine and Mike.
I think it would depend on the circumstances of what happened in the fight. But, I think he would get through it without being knocked out.

No, I don't think it's impossible for a 70kg fighter to knock him out.
Judging by past experience, I just don't think it's likely to happen when they meet.

Pieman

05-03-2003, 06:36 PM

Stupid match up, I don't like it at all far too much difference in weight, height, reach etc.

Wouldn't Tarik be better off keeping his two main drawcards apart?

Paul Briggs -> Number One!
"A Champion is someone who gets up when he can't". Jack Demsey.

paul c

05-03-2003, 07:22 PM

Pieman,

I must admit I asked myself the same question.
Keeping the two fighters seperate in two different weight divisions.

But, I also admit the fight screams of being Sensational. And as you can see by the number of hits on the Zam and Ozkan threads, it's going to be very popular and get peoples emotions fired up.

Good point though.

Roids

05-03-2003, 07:54 PM

Paul C,gurkan at 75 cannot take punches as well as he can at 93.

The extra weight lets you absorb punches better.

Gurkan is a great puncher but zambides is a phenomenal puncher a class above gurkan.
Hes one of the best punchers ive ever seen in any sport.

I think he will KO gurkan.

allanf

05-03-2003, 09:06 PM

Alright guys hear we go again, everyone is goin against the Supreme Fighting Machine Gurkan Ozkan like always, if Gurkan wins again, whats the next excuse you guys got up, ohhh he was too big for Zambidis or something. Im loving it, you guys love bagging Gurkan. hahahahahhahahaha, we will see again and again. Gurkan is the man!!! like it or not, Mike will never ko Gurkan even if he was heavier then Gurkan by 20 kg, you guys want to lose another bet??? Gurkan will be too strong for Mike Zambidis,you guys would able to sense it too, but you dont want to come to that situation like usuall.

Servant

05-03-2003, 09:22 PM

Oh dear, another drooling lobotomised amoeba is on the loose. Janer, keep your animals in their kennels!

sethridge

05-03-2003, 10:32 PM

haha, good one sash!

krama

06-03-2003, 12:10 AM

Well well - the inevitable - I think Tarik is testing the waters before he lays down his plans - the timing may coincide with the purchase of his new home proably in central Toorak somewhere

There two guys are Tariks super money machines - the fight will fill any venue in Melbourne. Full Stop.
There is definetly no one way outcome here.
Both fighters are tough - can KO opponents - can take a beating and keep going - and now both have great stamina - it will be a ripper of a fight and too close to call - if ANYTHING I believe Mike will be a little quicker in getting his shots in and pulling back - and NO OFFENCE to Ozkan - but I believe Mike is a little more 'switched on' with his tactics and in the way he goes about executing his game plan.

paul c

06-03-2003, 01:54 AM

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skinny vinny

08-03-2003, 03:19 PM

i dont know what uguys thinck out thier but if you thinck ozkan will lose against mike if at all they agree to fight well then thick again because i know for fact that ozkan has nothing to prove to any one by doing so . his only challange know is to 1 person yea you guessed it himself .?or another belt ? i dont think so.

skinny vinny

08-03-2003, 03:20 PM

skinny vinny

08-03-2003, 03:21 PM

skinny vinny

08-03-2003, 03:21 PM

sethridge

08-03-2003, 04:05 PM

Skinny Vinny how old are you? three! mate learn how to spell and then how to type a sentence together...

remy

08-03-2003, 06:21 PM

and we know you want to get your star quick, but you can't post same statement four times.

lex

08-03-2003, 08:37 PM

HA sethridge you crack me up!!!
some one give skinny vinny a smiley face for his effort!!!

WAIT NO DONT,, the way he is spelling he must eat them !!!!! what a trip!!!!

HHH

08-03-2003, 10:35 PM

Glenn

09-03-2003, 01:35 AM

Ozkan can make the weight, he was fighting around 72-75kg at the time of his comeback a few years back. I also don't think you can compare B and C grade heavyweight fighters Ozkan faced who he would fight with a completely different gameplan to an A grade middleweight/super welterweight figher like Zambidis. Either way, I would like to see this fight but would like to see Ozkan fight Paul Slowinksi first. I like the fact the Ozkan stated that he wants to fight Muay Thai rules.

remy

09-03-2003, 02:28 AM

Slowinski is about 94kg. Rather see ozkan at his own weight. At his comeback he was fighting at 76 kg. I can't remember him ever fighting at 72kg. Zam can move up to 76, or give away a few kilo's, Ozkan has nothing to prove by going down below supermiddleweight.

Glenn

09-03-2003, 03:59 AM

I can see Zambidis giving away weight, I don't think he will go to 76kg at his height. I'm sure Ozkan was below 76kg, but I then again I could be wrong. I'll check out some magazines.

paul c

09-03-2003, 07:53 PM

Hi guys,

Just thought I'd let you know that on the Fightforce show that Tarik announced Zambidis Vs Ozkan to happen in late November this year.

He also said that Michael had asked him if he could fight Gurkan. I had just presumed that Gurkan had showed interest first.

Very brave step from Michael, and it's great to see someone else willing to step which is sometimes only a very small weight barrier.

supermario

10-03-2003, 04:59 PM

remy, Gurkan has fought at 72kg before, in a super 8 tournament circa '95, promoted by Tarik, which he won. After that, he fought Taiei Kin in Japan in the first bout of the first "K-3", now known as the K-1 max, which he lost in a close decision. The point is, he's fought at 72kg before, but in an interview after his bout in japan, he said he had trouble making the weight and felt dehydrated, and that his ideal weight was 76kg, which has always been the case, right?? I think if Gurkan fights at 76kg, and Mike at 72kg, that both would be at their ideal weights, I don't think the 4kg weight difference would be an issue. It's around half the weight Gurkan gave away to Stan in their fight, so I think it's fair. Besides, Stan said Mike hits like a heavyweight. But we know so does Gurkan. I'm glad this fight's happening, can't wait to see it.

remy

10-03-2003, 05:15 PM

Fair enough. I thought that the K-3 was 76kg so my mistake. I actually thought that his amateur world title that he won in 94 was at suppermiddleweight. He fought a lot at 76kg, but in recent years i have seen him fighting at 78kg which is supermiddleweight under ISKA. I think the WKA's cut off for supermiddleweight was 76kg.

Servant

10-03-2003, 08:19 PM

I think there may be some mistake! Gurkan at 72kgs? I doubt it. I remember when Gurks initially used to callenge an Jacobs, Ian was a middeweight (72kg) while Gurkan was his normal weight (76-78) At the time the issue was wether Gurkan would drop down to fight Ian which is what Ian's promoter wanted. It never happened, Ian ended up going up to Gurk's weight to get the fight happening. Gurkan has never fought as low as middleweight. Gurk's amateur world title was supermid. Gurks at 72 would be an unhealthy fighting weight for him, he'd start looking like a rake.

supermario

11-03-2003, 09:06 PM

exactly, it was an unhealthy weight for him, but he only fought at 72kg for the super 8 I mentioned and the k-3, the one where hyppolite beat taiei kin in the final. So, he only fought a total of four fights, that I know of that is, at super-middle, but you're right, the amateur world title and when he fought jacobs, it was at the super-middleweight limit. btw, the super 8 happened a couple of months before the rumble at the raddison where vella beat iosifidis, so it was a while ago.

supermario

11-03-2003, 09:07 PM

supermario

11-03-2003, 09:08 PM

sorry, I meant only four fights at middleweight in my last post, and the others at super-middleweight.

ThaiBoxer

26-03-2003, 03:05 AM

Look guys, i just spoke to Mike. If he wins the k1 in Japan he will automatically qualify for next year, then he wont need to fight in the semi-finals in November, which means he's fighting Gurkan. Gurkan will either be at 78 or 76 and Zam will be at 72. He wont fight in Australia until then.

harls

26-03-2003, 01:36 PM

That's nice, as long as he represents GREECE in the next K-1 Max(if he wins) and gives a genuine Australian a chance to represent Australia.

da GhOsT

26-03-2003, 08:46 PM

is mike representing greece or australia at the k-1 max in japan???
any ideas guys.

remy

27-03-2003, 12:36 AM

Harls, let it rest. Zam hasn't done anything wrong. There wasn't a K-1 Greece, and we are lucky that we have a K-1 for Australia and New Zealand basically. In about 7 months the K-1 oceania is gonna be on again.

And in a fight report in Japan they said Mike Zambidis from AUSTRALIA beat Albert Kraus, how about that. And he can speak a little English as well. I wish him all the best.

ThaiBoxer

27-03-2003, 03:15 AM

Zambidis represents Australia in the K1 Japan cause there is no k1 in Greece. having won the k1 semis here in melb and also being managed by Tarik, its easy to see how he represents Australia. I totally disagree. He SHOULD be representin greece, but hey noone here beat him so...
its not his fault anyway

harls

27-03-2003, 01:00 PM

I'm NOT saying it is Mike's fault, but rather that of Tarik's for letting a foreigner fight on a show that one would obviously assume was reserved for fighters who ARE from the Oceania region. If there is no K-1 max in Greece that is Mike's problem not ours.
Also the statement that no one beat him here is a controvertial one. I believe and everybody I train with(even some Zam fans) believe JWP beat Zam. But now I'll stop right there because this has all been stated before and the subject is getting tired!!

Andrew P

27-03-2003, 02:01 PM

Why do you keep bringing it up then, as you're usually the first to do so? Firstly, show us the official K-1 rule that says the tournament is ONLY for fighters from that region. Show me that, and you have a valid arguement. Saying there is no K-1 in Greece so Mike shouldn't fight a tournament is stupid as what you are sayng is you don't want to see the most exciting middleweight in the world in the K-1 Max, a bit counter-productive to the excitement of the sport wouldn't you say? Secondly, there was a K-1 Croatia a while ago with contained Croats as well as fighters from Sweden and Finland (may have been two other countries) Nobody cared or complained of course, as nobody else is that anal. Why is it I bet those fans had more to do than constantly whine about something that is not even breaking any rules? And wait until after the event to do so no less?

Edited by - Andrew P on 27 Mar 2003 13:02:46

harls

27-03-2003, 04:13 PM

If a fighter represents a country at the K-1 max final in Japan, wouldn't you assume that the fighter would be from the country they represent? Otherwise what's the point of representing a country? And no I don't own a rulebook do you? OF COURSE I am not the only person who has brought this arguement forward it is a very widely discussed topic, so there are alot of ANAL people out there. And if I'm whinger then I guess that makes you one too. I just feel that by including Mike(who I do agree is a great talent by the way) in the draw, one genuine person missed out. So for those who missed my point from day one, my whole arguement has been about FAIRNESS!! I repeat FAIRNESS!!! I suggest looking the word up in the dictionary if you don't understand what it means.

Now back to the original topic, if the fight between Gurkan and Zambidis does actually happen, I think Zambidis will win on points or KO Gurkan in the late rounds. Both his defensive and attacking skills are superior to Gurkan's.

Andrew P

27-03-2003, 04:25 PM

Trying to explan things to some people is pointless activity. Mike Schiavello, can you elaborate at all on what I am trying to say?
And Harls, its not an issue at all, its only been made an issue via JWP and fans like you. The rest of the world doesn't care.

paul c

27-03-2003, 06:32 PM

I kinda just look at the different regions as staging points so it's not too far too travel basically. But if a promoter wants to pay the extra travel costs to bring in whom they believe has a good chance, than why not. I think if we truly have the sports best interest, and want to see the world's best atheletes involved, than we have to allow them a chance to fight in countries or regions other than their own, espescially since not all countries have a K1 franchise so to speak.

Bonus for us.

JKLA

27-03-2003, 07:19 PM

Zam is still young, his best years are still ahead of him before he hits peak condition, he just gets better and better with every fight. Gurkan, is currently at his peak (or at least the highest peak he can achieve for his age), and hopefully this fight happens sooner rather than later. Otherwise, if they wait too long to fight, it may be another Ozkan vs Stan scenario.

supermario

27-03-2003, 08:51 PM

You guys keep saying there's no K-1 Greece, but there's no K-1 Australia either. There's K-1 max Oceania, our continent, so I assume there's a K-1 max Europe, which is where Mike should qualify. The only COUNTRY, not continent, that automatically qualifies to the K-1 max finals is Japan, I think. JWP vs Zam in the K-1 max world finals?? no doubt.

remy

27-03-2003, 10:22 PM

I wouldn't compare europe to oceania. Oceania is basicaly Australia and New Zealand. Now think about how many competitive countries are in europe. Not even an opportunity to have one fighter representing each country.

ThaiBoxer

29-03-2003, 02:22 AM

harls, why are u trying to convince us that JWP beat Zam?
I dont like repeating myself but only JWP himself and his fans say that he won. I read an article of JWP saying he is confused about his fight with Zam. He thinks he won or whatever. Maybe the Zam's punches were hitting someone else and not him. An about his knees, it is clear that most of them landed on zam's guarding so there is no issue there. Just think logically. If he kneed so many times Mike, then wouldnt Zam have been knocked out early in the fight?
Zam won and thats that. Speakin of which, u do know that JWP refused to fight Mike in April dont u? If u dont believe me, u can find out through some of the experts here.
I was with Tarik and Zam, when tarik told me JWP refused the offer by tarik. I'm a journalist for a respected newspaper and i dont like to make things up. Thats how i keep in contact with Tarik and i have my sources in the kick boxing scene.

paul c

29-03-2003, 06:43 PM

Thaiboxer,

As a journalist, surely you can understand others needs to express their oppinions if they are true to their beliefs.

I'm a Mike fan foremost, but also a Parr fan.
I'm never met Wayne, but have had brief conversations with a charismatic Mike.
But I too like Harls feel that Parr just got in there.
I don't think you need to be a so called expert on anything to be able to judge a fight. It's pretty simple after all. Were not talking rocket science.

Though, I can understand if you questioning harls on why talk about it in a Zambidis Vs Ozkan thread. But I don't think expressing an oppinion is necessarily trying to convince anyone. It's simply an oppinion, no more, or less valid as yours.

Edited by - paul c on 29 Mar 2003 17:47:47

harls

31-03-2003, 01:01 PM

Thanks Paul, like you said I'm just getting my opinion out there and if someone can't handle it, it's not my problem.

Thaiboxer, I did hear about JWP being offered a rematch and he did decline, but you failed to mention WHY he declined. He has had nothing but dodgy decisions in Melbourne and I've heard he doesn't want to rematch Zam HERE(in Melbourne), as Tarik was offering.

As for your arguement about most of JWP's knees being taken on Zam's guard, well guess what, even more of Zam's punches hit nothing but leather and forearms.

sooty

31-03-2003, 04:08 PM

If JWP feels like he is behind the 8 ball so to speak when he competes in Vic, well then so be it. Its his personal choice & no one elses.

Personally i feel that Wayne looked in control in his bout with Mike. Ok so some of his knees strikes did not hit the mark, but hey neither did all of Zams punch's!

It looked like Wayne threw 10 - 15 knees to MIkes 2 - 3 punch's.

sooty

JANER

31-03-2003, 04:50 PM

Zam threw ALOT more punches which ALOT more landed CLEAR than JWP's kicks/knees.

Did JWP throw many punches?

Edited by - janer on 31 Mar 2003 16:05:39

sooty

31-03-2003, 05:34 PM

I think that it is a matter of opinon.

harls

31-03-2003, 05:37 PM

JWP didn't throw as many punches, but his six punch combo at the end of the last round was the best scoring combo of the fight, with ALL six landing clean. You could see that JWP's gameplan was to dominate the fight with knee's and in my opinion, he did just that for most of the fight.

JANER

31-03-2003, 05:42 PM

I agree sooty, but thats how I saw it. I still believe it should of went ANOTHER round.

If JWP lost before, whats it matter if he risks the dodgy decsion again!?! Surely he is confident enough he can finish zam off within the distance of say a 10 round fight.

DOdgy decision or not, JWP should get himself here to melbourne and give it ANOTHER crack. He does have the artilley to hurt zam and can knock him out. COme on JWP!!!!!!

ThaiBoxer

05-04-2003, 02:40 AM

I think if JWP wants to clear things out, he should come to melb and fight zam. If he is so sure he can beat him, then go for it! id love to see it!
my opinion, clear knock out by Zam no doubt!!!

krama

07-04-2003, 11:09 AM

G'day guru's
I would like to pass on what I have heard through the corridors -
Yes Parr was offered a re-match
Yes he rejected the offer - on the grounds that the fight would take place in Victoria - he was said to have 'mentioned' he will fight him up in QLD - it makes sense to me
I would not fight ZAM in Melb either if I was Parr - the decisions have been pretty poor down here lately -
But again - it comes down to money, and Taril believes there is more to be made in Melb than QLD - to help him pay off his 50th Toorak mansion - while the fighters he 'uses' struggle by as security guards in Northland shopping centre.

"If he dies - he dies" (drugged up, streoid imfested Drago - Rocky 4)

JANER

07-04-2003, 05:55 PM

The more I hear of JWP the more I like him. He could fight for money here in melbourne or he could fight with honour without money... What a legend.

harls

08-04-2003, 02:23 PM

I think if Zam and JWP fought their fight in Melb(Zam's Australian home base) why not have the rematch in QLD(Wayne's stomping ground)? That would be fair. I'd have to fly up there though to see that one if it happens.

Janer, Gurkan fan #1, are you for real? Did you actually just call JWP a legend?

ThaiBoxer

17-04-2003, 08:52 PM

"It's official! At the end of this year probably December show, Gurkan will take on Mike Zambidis. Tarik himself informed me about this fight. They will not fight right now because of Mike's commitments in Japan and the K1. After that he will have one fight in Greece, then coming back to Melb in September for another fight and either December or February he will face Gurkan Ozkan. There is a possibility that Gurkan might go down to his normal weight at 78 kilos and Zambidis at 72. Mike told me that himself. So people, get ready for the showdown!!!!"

Remember this post of mine guys? it was done on the 1st of March.
I knew since then about the fight even though not many believed me.
December 1st, Vodafone arena, it was published today in the greek newspaper "Nea Epohi",(NOT Neos Kosmos) which also features a Zambidis biography.

paul c

17-04-2003, 09:03 PM

Thaiboxer, Janer and I posted the non official version 2 days after no respect.

paul c

17-04-2003, 10:08 PM

Thanks for noticing Sash.

Hey, has anyone noticed that sash only appears to correct me on some out of line matter?

Let's all now take a moment to reflect Sash's contributions to the forum. There was the time....

well, there was the time he used 15 of his 70 posts to tell me how illogical my attitude was when I dared bring up the fact that Mike had had a loss...During a Nezif V Zam discussion. Like, FFS, don't go having an oppinion anyone.

Another 15 posts on me stuffing up the weight difference between Peter Graham and Mike.

I think I'm being cyber stalked.

Edited by - paul c on 17 Apr 2003 21:29:15

paul c

18-04-2003, 12:39 AM

Sash,

Dude, I have never ever seen you write anything posetive I swear.

As I've said, most of the posts I remember are really pissed off posts at me for daring to differ to your oppinion. Or now ridiculing myself and janer because I'm factually stating something.

What, because it's from Janer and I it means we're lying?

Servant

18-04-2003, 04:33 AM

Courtesy and respect huh. My name is Sasha and I Iive in Aspendale Gardens. I am worthy of courtesy and respect now!<img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>

rebel

18-04-2003, 04:58 AM

guys, chill. This stuff is pointless.
Getting back ON TOPIC I hope either one of these guys does not suffer an unexpected loss (except for Mike's K1 bid, losing in a semi or final won't hurt) before they fight..as it would hurt the match a little bit! How many fights will they each have before the showdown? can not wait for this one!!