The Man Mundine versus The King Soliman

[Sweetness]

Hi Guys/Gals

Bring on March 7 2007 @ 7PM

Title: WBA SUPER MIDDLE WEIGHT BELT

This is going to be the ultimate Rematch of the year.
Finally we are all going to see which fighter is the mightier.

September 3 2001
Sam Soliman (THE KING) lost 115 - 113
Those who watched the fight know who won.

Mundines comments to Soliman on 13th December 2006 Press Conference
" You know deep in your heart your going to get a WHIPPING."
Mundines comments!!!!
Sam Soliman is an unorthodox fighter.
Sammy has his Martial Arts back ground, his foot work will be his advantage and he likes to change his stance through a fight so I hope mundine is ready for The King this time round.

Soliman is not going to let Mundine take this fight easily, we shall see who is going to get the WHIPPING they deserve this time round but in saying that both fighters are great athletes so this will be a great fight to watch.

Mundine (THE MAN) what can I say, I hope your ready for this fight.

May the Best Man or King win.











You only live once so enjoy it.

[coolcatcol]

Mundine will win this time round he isn't the same as 5 years ago,I'd love Sam to win but Mundine is to fast and he knows what to do this time.

[shacols]

sam been fairly busy over the last five years,hasnt he?.in saying that,im backn choc

right here,right now

[Scotty84]

I'd love to see Soliman beat Mundine but I'm not a huge fan of his "Lead with my head" fighting style, so with this beaing said, unfortunately, i think Mundine will win.

If he stopped talking so much ****, I'd probably like him.
Reckon he'll beef up and fight Green again, this time in LH?

[robot]

quote:
I'd love to see Soliman beat Mundine but I'm not a huge fan of his "Lead with my head" fighting style, so with this beaing said, unfortunately, i think Mundine will win.

If he stopped talking so much ****, I'd probably like him.
Reckon he'll beef up and fight Green again, this time in LH?



I do not think there is a need for him to rematch green, let alone to move up a weight class to fight him.
He was seen as dodging green, yet won an easy fight, so imo, no need.
The onluy reason would be money, and a less drained green, so no real motivation for mundine.
Id like to see briggsy vs green though <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

[Steamy Terd]

I reckon Mundine is A loud mouth who.. one day inevitably be silenced i just hope its Soliman who delivers this...

John Howard Deserves a Skyscraper rammed up his arse.

[Chocko]

mundine has on his side his quickness,speed and natural talent.

soliman has such a high work rate, the guy never stops punching, plus anyone that knows how he fight knows he isnt easy to hit.

i think that if soliman keep pressuring mundine, well mundine dosnt like that! danny did that in the first round then tried to play mundines game and the choc got on top and when he's there he's quite comfortable.

soliman is the man in my mind i only hope there is a clear cut woinner out of this fight no dodgy decisions please1

[Ron Burgandy]

Ron here.....Its funny chocko that u are following soliman considering ur name.
All jokes aside, Im tipping a mundine victory, but its great for aussie boxing to have so many champions in many different divisions

Im Ron Burgandy, go f*@k yourself San Diego

[Adambjjoz]

I hope Jeff Fenech steals Mundine's designer watch.

[Scotty84]

quote:I do not think there is a need for him to rematch green, let alone to move up a weight class to fight him.
He was seen as dodging green, yet won an easy fight, so imo, no need.
The onluy reason would be money, and a less drained green, so no real motivation for mundine.
Id like to see briggsy vs green though <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>


Yer it was a semi-rhetorical question, I relly don't think we'll ever see a re-match :(

[Hooky]

quote:
I hope Jeff Fenech steals Mundine's designer watch.





Ha Ha!

Men talk of killing time, while time quietly kills them.

[robot]

quote:
quote:I do not think there is a need for him to rematch green, let alone to move up a weight class to fight him.
He was seen as dodging green, yet won an easy fight, so imo, no need.
The onluy reason would be money, and a less drained green, so no real motivation for mundine.
Id like to see briggsy vs green though <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>


Yer it was a semi-rhetorical question, I relly don't think we'll ever see a re-match :(





oh k lol, my bad<img src=icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle>

[Rocky]

Even though many beleve Soliman won (so do I), Mundine has improved alot and achieved so much the past 5 years.

Mundine wins UD

A great read by David Hedgecock:

http://www.eurosport.com/boxing/world-news/2005/sport_sto1106221.shtml

He makes a good point, "If you go through their fight lists you will see we have fought opponents who have been much higher rated. The three very good fighters that Anthony has fought have beaten him.”



Edited by - rocky on 05 Mar 2007 19:42:07

[Hitman]

hope mundine knocks his tooth out.
MUNDINE FOR A KO WINNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HITMAN

[Axekick157]

Believe it's going to be an awesome fight. Foxtel is booked and the drinks are getting cold...

The King - Points

[allanf]

may the best man win, have alot of respect for both fighters so whoever wins wont bother me.

[MadMatt]

I'm sure Soliman doesn't mind being the underdog. Mundine sure loves the limelight. But I predict it's lights out this time though!

"Let's get it on!!!"

[getonboard]

I bet on mundine when he fought green and i'll do it again this time. Love him or hate him, he's a great boxer.

[Hironaka]

Did anyone catch the Vic Darchinyan fight on the weekend? That dude is awesome.

In regards to this, Mundine cruises to a UD in a fairly frustrating fight for casual boxing fans to sit through. Expect a boring opening six rounds then Soliman will try to catch Mundine late, but he will be too crafty.

[mctaggart]

i heard on nova this morning that mundine has his own cafe called the boxer bar

has anyone been? and can they tell me where it is?

you get what you give

[imported_n/a]

Saw Dave a few weeks ago - quietly confident as always and I will be going for Sam. True ambassador for the sport and has fought better quality opposition consistently. A good battle with Sam winning via TKO later rounds.

[wild_west]

The Boxa Cafe is in McMahon St in Hurstville

I wouldnt go there for the fine cuisine

[mctaggart]

who said i was going there for the fine cuisine :)...

you get what you give

[mctaggart]

thankyou for letting me know


you get what you give

[humble]

Choc to win! Go Choc!

The Boxa Bar has some good breakfast on it's menu though. Nice staff too.

If you get there early ask for a big breakfast.



"Everyone has a plan until they get smacked in the face."

-Mike Tyson

http://www.infernal-chaos.com/JNI/DanielsJNISig.jpg

[ditsy]

Hey Pitbull saw you on foxtell select talking about Soliman Mundine fight. looking good

[mctaggart]

thanks humble will keep that in mind

glad you mentioned the foxtel segement ditsy

the actual segement is called select.



you get what you give

[quick_elbow86]

I watched the replay of their fight in 2001, and in all honesty i think that Mundine is gonna take this one out. Hes got a big ego, but I think he has the skills, speed and power to back it up. Should be a close fight tho!

-- Every artist was at first an amateur --

[P-DYNAMO]

hope sam takes it,but i think mundine will<img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle>

[wildaction]

Sam Soliman W.B.A world super middle weight champion.......It sounds perfect mate !!!

Good luck tonight

Stuey and all the gang from the "Underworld" wish you well .

[Cmore_Viking]

Roughly what time is Mudine/Soliman fight supposed to start?

[Viper]

I'm going for SAM.
Sharon

[getonboard]

Mundine won by tko in round 9. Always gonna happen. gotta give it to Soliman though, dam he took alot of big hits.

[lenny888]

im really surprised mundine stopped soliman hes such a tough fighter i was picking by dec either way it was an impressive performance mundine solidifies his position at no 3 in the world with this win time to get the rematch with kessler

[zito]

WTF is tarik doing in the ring i saw hes ugly head in the back round he can smell money from a mile , he should stay in his bird flu 3rd world midnight express country promoting turkeys.

I really wanted sam to win, and on top of the loss i see solak what else can go wrong


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Fact
Greeks have dominated Kickboxing in Australia
since kickboxing was established

[Big D]

meh

meh meh.....

So what, Mundine still full of S*%T, go back a few years IK ran a poll to see everyone wanted to jump from boxing to kick boxing, everyone said "The Man" to see him get knocked the F out, feeling aint changed.....



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[P-DYNAMO]

wanted Sam to win<img src=icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle>..
Mundine had way too much power and speed..
Who in Aus will beat him??

Thoughts poeple<img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle>

[ECKS]

A few months ago I said I thought Soliman would win, but after watching their 1st fight again recently I had changed my mind. Soliman although aggresive didn't land much of his shots against Mundine and since their first fight Mundines experience has increased by fighting the likes of Kessler, Siaca, Echols, and Green.

Tonight he showed how far he's come, displaying aggression never seen before, landing some nice crosses and stiff jabs. Congrats to the man, nothing left to conquer here in Australia.

It aint about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward!

[allanf]

MUNDINE IS THE THE MAN ENEOUGH SAID, ALL THE CRITICS CAN SHUTTUP

AND AS FOR YOU ZITO SAY IT TO HIS FACE YOU UGLY GREEK

[Matt]

I have never been a fan of Mundine and was looking forward to Sammy outworking The Man from different angles all night long. However this did not happen and I am now forced to acknowledge the awesome achievement Mundine has accomplished through defeating both Green and Soliman. He can truly be proud of what he has done. I just hope I don't have to be subjected to anymore bull**** provado from Choco, making stupid statements like "Im da greatedst of all time." This just embarrases himself and is an insult to many other better fighters, Warriors out there today and in the past.

Regardless, How about the staunch fighting style of Mundine. Sams workrate was non stop but Mundine just looked like a bully. This is coming from one of Sam's biggest fans!

Frizzy.

[P-DYNAMO]

I agree with everthing you said there Matt..

[shacols]

wish he could have flown a 3rd flag.in any case,i backed him,but man to me ,in all honesty,he took that win very convincingly but thought he might have to work harder than he did.just my opinion.

right here,right now

[John K]

If you can't respect Mundine's ability and give his some credit for that win, then you aren't a fight fan.
Think what you want of him as a man, but don't deny he is a brilliant athlete. Be realistic.

[humble]

Big D, where was it you said you lived?? If my memory serves me correct it's far, far away from Sydney NSW, so I take it you've never met or conversed with the MAN!!!

He isn't full of Sh!T, he just proved that tonight! As others have said, who in oz can even bat an eyelid at him? He made Soliman.... well look very ordinary. As fast and slippery as Soliman is, Mundine effortlessly landed stiff jab after stiff jab from the first bell, catching him every time at will!

He outboxed him, out classed him, out muscled him, out (effectively) punched him and beat him down! Soliman didn't want anything to do with him and was throwing a multitude of punches to his guard.

Was nice to see Sam drop in the second and Mundine play with him and then drop him very hard in the 9th.

Good on ya CHOC!

As for the whole night, I cannot believe how lack lustre boxing has become. The fight that saved the night in my opinion Big Bob vs that awesome warrior from NZ, Cameron.

First round Cameron breaks his hand and comes back using only his left and very rarely his right and pulverises big Bobs face until the 8th where he drops him with a very stiff uppercut/hook, mind you left hand.

This guy will shake the states sleeping heavyweights right up.

Lucky for him or the night would of been crap house. Soloman Homanou was crisp.... but they've got to get him some quality to show case his skills.

"Everyone has a plan until they get smacked in the face."

-Mike Tyson

http://www.infernal-chaos.com/JNI/DanielsJNISig.jpg

[sniper]

man i made a lot of money tonight at the pub from the cameron vs mirovik fight hehehehe. it really did remind me of the time mark hunt sparred with him and toyed with him as well. mark truly is an exceptional athlete and cameron shoed the same with still his unbeaten record tonight. makes me think that maybe he could do something with david tua?????? as for mundine well he did tonight exactly what i expected him to do and that i put my wager on hehehehe. he really is a man well intrully developed from the lad he was 5 years ago.

[Gavin]

Like or him or not, Mundine is a classy boxer. Last night he also proved that he bangs hard.

[Awesome]

Watched the fight last night and played out pretty much as expected. Mundine has got a great pair of very fast hands and was just too big and strong for Sam. I think that he (Sam) is not a natural super middleweight and it showed - when he hit Mundine it had little effect. He should go back down to middleweight.

On the other fights from what I saw - the Mason fight was a joke, the guy he fought not only had tits (obviously unfit) but they were saggy! Hoppa won but looked totally unbalanced - unimpressive. He has some big punches but put him in against someone who is half decent and I think he would be in trouble. Soloman Hamonou is a different story. He looked cut up, fit and boxed 'like a pro'. I think he could take out Shane Cameron.

One other observation, I watched the fight at a pub (couldn't afford the price of a decent ticket) and there are a lot of gooses with a few beers uner their belt thinking they are the next world champ.

[east]

Everyone at the club where i watched was hoping to see Mundine get wiped out, but i was never going to happen. When will people realise the guy is a freak and an awesome boxer. Sam definately looked to be throwing a lot of useless punches and the thing was there was no real power behind any of them. To me choc looked so relaxed and never really got out of second gear.

Did anyone notice that choc said he wants to go down to middleweight? That would be interesting, then he could make some real $$ I wonder how that would effect his style though.

The guy mason fought looked like that fat unit off the biggest looser with his big *****ies!

Solomon Homonou looked really fit and lean, but still seemed like he has some heavy hands, id like to see him stick to it this time.

Hoppa to me looked like he was only going to make 3 rounds before he ran out of gas. I was surprised he got the knockout, it looked like the big kiwi was weathering the storm and hoppa was getting slower and slower.

Every man lives and dies, but not every man that dies has really lived

[Hironaka]

Love him or hate him, I would scream for Mundine until I could no longer talk for him to knock Joe Calzaghe's head off.

[Rumble]

cameron looked great!what a ko!
haumono looked in good shape too!
boy hopoate was dirty with his arm cranks and head butts! about the only thing he didnt do was stick his finger up his ass!he he shame he had a glove on

"fear no man but god"

[MadMatt]

Damn, so much for my prediction, you gotta hand it to Mundine, the more he talks the better he gets!

"Let's get it on!!!"

[allanf]

No person can deny this man's talent.
He should have been selected to play Rugby for Australia and was the best No.6 in the NRL during the mid-late 90s. However there were a number of racial vilification issues facing Australian sport during that time. He quit because he felt betrayed by national selectors because he was ‘black’. Now, he is a world champion in a different sport all together. I cannot think of any sportsman who has achieved the heights of two different sports?. There have certainly been a few sportswomen but they cannot be classified as World Champions
I disagree with his antics...but then again it's all for show.
His mouth makes people listen and we as sports lovers are intrigued by this.
Whether you want to see him on his bum or knock someone out for the 10 count...the common denominator is people want to see Mundine in the ring.
Tell me, how many people have watched any Soliman’s previous 32 fights or Green’s previous 28 fights (prior to Mundine)? But most people can claim to see some of Green v Mundine and Mundine v Soliman. Why? Because it involves Mundine
Anthony is very, very clever. Not only is he a talented boxer and a supreme athlete, his mouth and his manager and the brains behind the gloves. The name calling, trash talking the rap songs, the suits, the antics are all for show…all of it. It’s made for people like you and I to pay their way through Main Event at home or at a pub and watch him win or lose.
The money bag wasn’t the Soliman v Mundine decision. Mundine made his money prior to people subscribing to fight. In yesterday’s encounter with Soliman, he made his money in December 06. On a Mundine undercard it is the fighters that pay Mundine to fight. You do not earn the right to fight on a Mundine undercard. You pay to fight (with the exception of the penultimate fight). It is why you saw so many average boxers linied up to be part of the card. Because average boxers understand, (for example) on a Green or Soliman card, the average boxer will not be seen by the Australian public. But put them on a Mundine undercard and the average boxer will be seen on every man, women in pub, club or household. Mundine is a money making machine….and it’s all for show.

[ECKS]

LMAO!!!! CUT AND PASTE!!!

It aint about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward!

[Imsta]

So do we need more people like Mundine?

Kun Khmer Renaissance

[imported_n/a]

quote:
No person can deny this man's talent.
He should have been selected to play Rugby for Australia and was the best No.6 in the NRL during the mid-late 90s. However there were a number of racial vilification issues facing Australian sport during that time. He quit because he felt betrayed by national selectors because he was ‘black’. Now, he is a world champion in a different sport all together. I cannot think of any sportsman who has achieved the heights of two different sports?. There have certainly been a few sportswomen but they cannot be classified as World Champions
I disagree with his antics...but then again it's all for show.
His mouth makes people listen and we as sports lovers are intrigued by this.
Whether you want to see him on his bum or knock someone out for the 10 count...the common denominator is people want to see Mundine in the ring.
Tell me, how many people have watched any Soliman’s previous 32 fights or Green’s previous 28 fights (prior to Mundine)? But most people can claim to see some of Green v Mundine and Mundine v Soliman. Why? Because it involves Mundine
Anthony is very, very clever. Not only is he a talented boxer and a supreme athlete, his mouth and his manager and the brains behind the gloves. The name calling, trash talking the rap songs, the suits, the antics are all for show…all of it. It’s made for people like you and I to pay their way through Main Event at home or at a pub and watch him win or lose.
The money bag wasn’t the Soliman v Mundine decision. Mundine made his money prior to people subscribing to fight. In yesterday’s encounter with Soliman, he made his money in December 06. On a Mundine undercard it is the fighters that pay Mundine to fight. You do not earn the right to fight on a Mundine undercard. You pay to fight (with the exception of the penultimate fight). It is why you saw so many average boxers linied up to be part of the card. Because average boxers understand, (for example) on a Green or Soliman card, the average boxer will not be seen by the Australian public. But put them on a Mundine undercard and the average boxer will be seen on every man, women in pub, club or household. Mundine is a money making machine….and it’s all for show.





Allanf,


Not sure what the cut and paste is for as everything you wrote was written on the WOB and APBF site and discussed in depth years ago - in fact it almost appears to be word for word reproduction of Whipsy's posts.

Your first point about non-selection is crap. Not being a rugby fan I cannot name them but there were several players who warranted selection ahead of Mundine and got it. Mundine simply had the misfortune of being ideally suited for his position but lacked the flexibility to play other positions as may be required as a member of a squad hence his overlooking.

Champion in two different sports. There have been a swagful of Australian's who have excelled at multiple sports well before Mundine. Again check any Australian Sports almanac for these details.

As for fighters paying to fight on his undercard - that is not correct. Australian fighters do not get paid (more fool them) but overseas fighters bought in do.

[imported_n/a]

quote:
LMAO!!!! CUT AND PASTE!!!

It aint about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward!


That's exactly what I thought Eck's! I could swear I had seen identical posts on the WOB forum!

[humble]

Imsta, absolutely!

What has he done that any other sportsman hasn't done? Trash talking... is that what people are complaining about?

When players/sportsmen are out and about physically abusing people, pack raping, getting into fights, carrying on like louts at places, they barely get a mention. But Mundine's every footstep is critisized.

What AllanF posted is somewhat true, but I'm doubting he wrote it lol.

Ecks, you research machine, find me the reference

"Everyone has a plan until they get smacked in the face."

-Mike Tyson

http://www.infernal-chaos.com/JNI/DanielsJNISig.jpg

[Imsta]

Humble,

Did you hear what Mundine had to say last night after the fight when he was interviewed in the ring? He said, "to all my critics! 2 time!"

I won $4000 last year when I bet against Green. My friends whom gave me crap for over 3 years now shut up.

Kun Khmer Renaissance

[imported_n/a]

Imsta,

He should complete that quote - "Two time interim but never actually world champ". Don't beleive the hype!

[east]

Allan, i'm chocs biggest fan but i'm also not stupid enough to say that he was the best number 6. I think you are forgetting about Brad Fittler who dominated during that period. Choc was a good player but i dont think its fair to say it was racial mate.



Every man lives and dies, but not every man that dies has really lived

[klinkkkk]

imsta
your just a **** who gets on here time and time again
flogging on about how kun khmer was first cambodia is better
bull****, and now ****ing on about mundine.

do us all a favour and grow up ya ****

oh and you won $4k on the fight last year , im sure you would have paid if you lost too, we all know your great with paying your debts...

hooogan!!!

[Imsta]

Lol. Do I know you from some where? I guess, I get the last laugh. hee. hee. That what you get for be so arrogant.

Go and read your history dude. I have nothing against the Thai Boxing community, as I had always said. I love and admired for the Thai people for what they have done with this sport and I give them all the credit they deserve. You make it as I have something against the Thai boxing community, seriously dude if I do I would have something against my own?

It is just your ignorant and uneducated mind that has blind you to be where you are.

Koy! Chok Dee.


Kun Khmer Renaissance


Edited by - Imsta on 08 Mar 2007 17:59:25

[Hitman]

zito eat a d.i.c.k you PIG!!!

HITMAN

[P-DYNAMO]

LOL

[zito]

HITMAN

TROLL GO MARRY YOUR 1ST COUSIN , KEEP UP YOUR TRADITIONS !!

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Fact
Greeks have dominated Kickboxing in Australia
since kickboxing was established

Edited by - ZITO on 08 Mar 2007 18:52:55

[P-DYNAMO]

Ding Ding...round 2<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

[dutts72]

Well yes what a great performance by Mundine last night until they put the microphone in front of him.......why why for just once could he not speak with humilty and respect. He will never evere in my opinion no matter how far he scales the boxing ladder will he become a champion boxer!

Say what you will in retort but a champion is not a foul mouthed uneloquent trash talker. Now you may say Ali was the greatest trash talker of all but he was eloquent in every mannner of speach. Perhaps Mundine outside of the ring is a great well spoken bloke but all i see is a man lost in his own universe of suffering....lost in the struggle of self realization proven every time he opens his mouth.

Take a look a poor Sammy Soliman as after getting whoooped with the mic in his face he manages to smile and speak though wobbly with poise and retrospect.

Finally what a disgarce took place as the ref waved of the fight, hordes of mundines groupies jumping in the ring to the point of it falling down. Hate to say it but typical australianism(is that a word) what about the health of the fallen Soliman? What about the belt presentation?

Bet besides all that said i must say i absolutely love to watch Mundine fight, fast, fast sublime hands, timing and footwork......he left me in awe v Green and again last night, sharp, technical, pure etc etc....poetry in motion. Wow cnt beleieve i admitted it.

Ok u may all laugh ur arses of at this but shiiiiit wouldnt it be kool to get JWP back in the boxing ring and have a crack at Mundine.....ok ok i no it makes no sense obviously for Mundine and it will never happen but dont you all think with JWP intensity never say die spirit, boming hands and rock jaw it would make a great fight? Just a thought.


Nuff said

Whittee Thang Nak Lrop
Calcutta Karma Kids Project....INDIA BOUND

Edited by - dutts72 on 08 Mar 2007 19:14:04

[rebel]

quote:


Ok u may all laugh ur arses of at this but shiiiiit wouldnt it be kool to get JWP back in the boxing ring and have a crack at Mundine.....ok ok i no it makes no sense obviously for Mundine and it will never happen but dont you all think with JWP intensity never say die spirit, boming hands and rock jaw it would make a great fight? Just a thought.


Nuff said

Whittee Thang Nak Lrop
Calcutta Karma Kids Project....INDIA BOUND

Edited by - dutts72 on 08 Mar 2007 19:14:04


come on man, thats silly. jwp would be destroyed, thoroughly destroyed. would be just as much of a mismatch as his "fight" with bonello.

[dekparwandsak]

I cant belive it but for once dutts is 100% correct

What is wrong with MUNDINE --- he has finally sold me on his boxing skills.
but as sportsman and a champion he is miles and miles away from Soliman and Green.

he seems to have no class at all .

As for his entourage ? what a pack of idiots , honestly i take it that they all hang round redfern station during the day morons


people say that when you get to know him he is great

I think you will find that people said that about Ivan milat , mr bubbles , ted bundy and jack the ripper just to name a few.






quote:Was nice to see Sam drop in the second and Mundine play with him and then drop him very hard in the 9th


^^^^^ classy post humble , honestly i would expect alot better from you

"KEEPIN IT REAL"

[dimslim96]

why r all u idiots Criticizing MUNDINE the man is a champion he has beaten everyone that has been put infront of him no matter how he has done it u should give him credit for stepping up to fighters such as Green and soliman. Yeh he does talk alot of **** but he back it up with his performances. IF somliman had beaten him he would have been as cocky as mundine so y dnt use all stop putting mundine down because of what he says. IF it wasnt for his hype before matches not as many ppl will b intrested in the fight, but by him sayin all this **** he attracts a bigger crowd. MUNDINE IS THE BEST AT THE MOMENT IN AUS AT THIS WEIGHT, SO INSTEAD OF TALKING SUGGEST PPL who he should fight soo they can beat him....

dimslim

[imported_n/a]

quote: classy post humble , honestly i would expect alot better from you
I dont. Humble is a huge fan of his and obviously enjoyed the win. So what.

Russ
http://landscapes.net.au/JWP/shirts.htm

[dekparwandsak]

quote: I dont. Humble is a huge fan of his and obviously enjoyed the win.

Good for you Russ

"KEEPIN IT REAL"

[Hitman]

zito you pig its you again....
why dont you follow ur countrys anal tradtions and give your old man some anal pleasure.

HITMAN

[Iron Monkey]

who here actually believe that if soliman had won that he would be as cocky as mundine? we have all seen fighters trash talk before a fight, usually for the hype more than intent. but nine times out of ten after the fight, no matter who win, both fighters will usually comment on how well the other did, accept the loss graciously (as soliman did)and, atleast shake hands.

no i don't think there are many athletes around who would speak and act like mundine does EVERY fight. he is a thug who is a good fighter. that it. definetly not a sportsman in any sense of the word

[HEROINTHEVEIN]

Hitman...zito....GO AND LICK YOUR GRANDMOTHER'S DIRTY SYPHILLUS INFESTED SANDPAPER-LIKE VAGINA'S!!!..<img src=icon_smile_dead.gif border=0 align=middle>

[Dynamite Drew]

mundine won and deserved so , he was the better fighter on the night

just wish he would keep his mouth shut tho , the guy has got boxing talent but his mouth lets him down big time

when i say he has boxing talent , i dont mean he is the greatest boxer going but he is fast , throws good clean punches and combos and doesnt waste many shots but still gets out of his depth a bit in defence when someone applies pressure or starts to dominate him

just a shame that he wins a ' world title ' without beating a world champion

not to say that soliman wasnt worthy , its just that the wba title became vacant when the wba elevated mikail kessler to super champion

We who are truely brave will never live in fear!

[humble]

This is becoming very interesting.

In all of this what is most interesting is people who are intent on forcing their opinion, beliefs and ideals on others.

What is forgotten and taken for granted is that we are all individuals, despite what we may agree or disagree on.

We are all quick to express our individuality when our own personal identity is being questioned yet we have been conditioned to assume it is ok to question others identity.

Each man is his own man and each woman is her own woman.

Anthony Mundine is no different.

When football players drink themselves to oblivion and lack of conciousness, it is deemed as a mere "piss up" and socially acceptable and whatever may extentiate from that is excusable because they are under the influence.

Never mind the loutiness, roughness, violence or anything else that may come from them, it is all excusable and they may be reprimanded for a page in the papers for a day. A week maximum if it was a very bad occassion.

It is quickly forgotten later and players are again glorified.

Shane Warne, the nation cries over him when he retires but his disasterous adulterous sessions which resulted in destroying his family life. The examples are far and many.

Mundine has never indulged in drinking and adulterous affairs. He has never taken drugs or anything else of the such.

The only thing he is guilty of is supposedly having a "bad mouth" or talking too much.

But this isn't commented on once or twice but is held as a grudge in the peoples heart for years.

Yes he trash talks, but since when was trash talking such a dispicable act as compared to such things as described above?

Is that what upsets everyone?

Is that really what makes people hate him so much?

I commend the Man, he has his beliefs as opposed to them as people may be and he is consistent with those beliefs. Any person that is that strong in his beliefs deserves respect for their character strength.

This is becoming almost cliche-ish but many have mentioned he is much different in person than infront of the camera. I can attest to that.

The man has to forge his own way and destiny because nobody is handing him out any freebies.

Just because I defend him it does not mean I agree with his every word or every action. There are many things I disagree with about him but for God's sake, let the man enjoy the same freedoms every other man in Australia enjoys without having to continually justify himself.

Give him the respect that he deserves without adding disclaimer conditions such as " I respect his fighting ability but I wish he'd shut up".

Why?

Why should he shut up? You're not paying his bills or forging his destiny. He is!

He is doing it the way he sees fit and might I add, doing it and doing it well. We don't need to mention the paychecks he and Green received because of who Mundine is, not because of who Green is.

Give the guy a break and cut him some slack.

Let him enjoy his victories without imposing your own beliefs on him which are really social conformity ideals.

If you play the "no one has treated him racistly" card then you are deluded.

It is a fact that there are some elements of racism against him that has in turn pushed him further away.

Had people accepted his sporting achievements and the way he chooses to express himself and taken it as entertainment, then he wouldn't feel marginalised and pushed away and then act in inappropriate ways but the victim mentality is infectious.

Once you victimise someone they will indeed feel like a victim and act accordingly.

Some buckle under pressure and some rise and build a wall of defence.

Mundine is too strong a character to buckle so he has built these defences. That is not to say that having those defences is justified but we have to understand the reasons why and not think so collectively selfishly or as if everyone must mould to our liking.

It's just getting very petty, that we MUST say "Hats of to Mundine, he deserved the win but he's still an A-hole" or words to that effect.

It is just immature and childish.

Embrace him as one of your own, which he is and he will rise to the occassion with humility and love. Marginalise him and he is going to continue to shock you all.



"Everyone has a plan until they get smacked in the face."

-Mike Tyson

http://www.infernal-chaos.com/JNI/DanielsJNISig.jpg

[dekparwandsak]

you have some good points Humble

But

Anthony marginalise's himself with his ridiculous behaviour?

Why cant he simply let his actions speak for themselves?

He calls himselve The Man but acts like a child

I just wish he would act with dignity and respect , then he would find he had a whole country behind him .

myself and a lot of my friends watched the fight last night and we were all so impressed with his skill and power and we were all hoping that he would thank Sam and be Respectful, but then he opened his mouth and started spewing all the same old crap .. to be honest i am at a loss to understand what must go om in his head it was bizarre .
yes trash talking is part of the game , but when the fights over its time to shake hands and leave that trash talking behind.

Maybe he is Autistic or a sociopath or something ? I dont know ?

But I guess we will never see anthony selling weetbix or holdens.

he just seems intent on fuelling his own dulusions of persecution



"KEEPIN IT REAL"

[humble]

I'll pm you dekparwansak. That is your real pm details in your profile isn't it?

"Everyone has a plan until they get smacked in the face."

-Mike Tyson

http://www.infernal-chaos.com/JNI/DanielsJNISig.jpg

[dekparwandsak]

humble - my screen name @hotmail.com is my email

"KEEPIN IT REAL"

[Hironaka]

I love how you people buy into Mundine's rubbish. By carrying on with arguements like the one in this thread, do you not realise that you are playing right into his hands and just encouraging him to make more ridiculous statements?

Mundine polarises people. Don't get me wrong, I love a sporting heel that can pull it off with some charisma (ie Badr Hari, Tito Ortiz, Mirko Cro-Cop), but Mundine lacks the intelligence and skills on the mic to ever get over with me.

You guys are eating his rubbish up. Ridiculous.

[adrian]

I think there's an underlying racial thing here.

I think the a lot of people don't like seeing a black guy confident, cocky and mouthing off.

Sort off like how people hated Ali when he first came on the scene and was still establishing himself, and how they all compared him to Joe Louis cuz he was a soft spoken black man.

But at the very least, Mundine deserves to mouth off after all the **** the doubters have given him from the very start. I mean, it's not as if public were being "polite" and saying "he's a good athlete and has talent and I hope he does well". So why should Mundine have to be polite to those types?

[Awesome]

Mundine makes the sport interesting... although about being the best, Kessler may have a dispute there. If you don't like what he says just laugh, don't take offence. Remeber, he is a professional boxer, not the prime minister.

Anyway, on a laughable note - Hoppa wants to fight Solo. What a joke, Solo would smash him! Unless Hoppa makes some serious improvement in his skills then I hope that this fight does not go ahead.

[ECKS]

LMAOO @ HOPPA . He's gotta get through Ben Edwards first!! Edwards is gonna give it to him!

It aint about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward!

[humble]

Yeh, Edwards isn't exactly a Nursing home occupant and has balls and then some to meet hoppa in the middle!! Go get him Ben!

"Everyone has a plan until they get smacked in the face."

-Mike Tyson

http://www.infernal-chaos.com/JNI/DanielsJNISig.jpg

[allanf]

exactly Adrian, why would he be polite to the public when he constantly cops crap!!!

[Scotty84]

"Like or him or not, Mundine is a classy boxer. Last night he also proved that he bangs hard."

Good, Great, Amazing boxer, Yes.
Classy, Definately not.
For anyone to talk that much **** after winning a fight has no class, sorry.

why r all u idiots Criticizing MUNDINE the man is a champion he has beaten everyone that has been put infront of him

Incorrect, losing three fights is beating everyone put in front of him??? wow he must be undefeated....

"IF somliman had beaten him he would have been as cocky as mundine so y dnt use all stop putting mundine down because of what he says."

Do you honestly believe that???

Remember there's a difference between being "Cocky" and being a "Cockhead".


I agree that Mundine is an amazing fighter, I knew he would win, just didn't want him too.
Also extremely dissapointed there was no Australian flag with Mundine, actually disgusted.

In regards to the Shane Warne comments etc.
I feel these are different because they where all part of his personal life. He didn't stand at the crease with his mobile phone or his dieretics (sp?) or any of that other ****. Whereas Mundine stands in front of Australia and talks absolute and utter trash.
I can understand that trash talking is part of all sports, but just try being humble when you win and lose.

[perrycale]

[quote]
I think there's an underlying racial thing here.

I think the a lot of people don't like seeing a black guy confident, cocky and mouthing off.

Sort off like how people hated Ali when he first came on the scene and was still establishing himself, and how they all compared him to Joe Louis cuz he was a soft spoken black man.

But at the very least, Mundine deserves to mouth off after all the **** the doubters have given him from the very start. I mean, it's not as if public were being "polite" and saying "he's a good athlete and has talent and I hope he does well". So why should Mundine have to be polite to those types?


Adrian,

I have read what you have had to say but i really dont agree with the racial overtones towards Mundine.

I dont think especially seeing his performance on Wednesday that anyone can doubt his ability as a boxer.

I think what frustrates the hell out the general public, is that he is never humble in his performace before or after a fight.

Its never been a racial thing & in reality Mundine is the guy who creates the racial card.

How can we not forget, his comments on the today show in 2002,within 6 months of 9/11.

His comments ?

Something along the lines of ''America deserved it & they had it coming ''

2 months ago, Mundine made a Rap Video-BURNING THE AUSTRALIAN FLAG,who the **** does that?

& Its not just his boxing carrear, anyone remember him for years complaining that he wasnt in the nsw state of origin or the australian rugby league team bc as he called 'Its racial man, its bc Im black'

Ahem anyone remember a bloke by the name of Freddy Fiddler, who according to some was & is the greatest rugby league player ever ?

well they played in the same position for years.

I am so over this political correctness, its just way over the top.

Can anyone imagine the uproar or the shoe being on the other foot, if mundine had been selected in front of freddy fittler?

Would Freddy have ever turned around & said' Hey man its racial, they didnt pick me because im White'?

Lets look at America for a second ?

They have B.E.T ( Black Entertainment Television)

They have the Black Miss America

Anyone Remember the movie 'White Chicks' ?

Could you imagine the uproar if the world had

W.E.T ( White Entertainment Television)

or if the world had a White Miss America Crown ?

or if a movie was made callec'Black Chicks " ?

We would all be called KKK lovers.

I can be called a so called WOG/Grease Monkey/Dago yet i cant say anything because its so called expected.
yet if i call someone (which i never have/never will) the n or b word, i am deemed the racists ?

Talk about double standards !

When you look at the above, i always thought it was about one love/1 world, main thing is unity amongst us all.

Yet whos doing all the so called segragating ?

Ali the very least would always praise his opponent after a fight or mostly.

Its Great to be proud of your or your parents country's origins/Heritage, so can someone please explain to me as to why Mundine Came out flying the Torress Straight Island Flag ?

Theres a differance between being cocky just to sell tickets/ppv numbers & just mouthing off for the sake of mouthing off to get a reaction.

Mundine has this down to a fine art.

Kudo's to Mundine, hes a 2 time INTERIM champion now in 2 sports, not many people can sit there & say they have done that .

Moving forward Mundine now has total respect after he beat soliman from the public for his boxing attributes,he doesnt need to say anything more as the crowd will follow him just as long as he doesnt say anything more, for once cant he just say' ill do my talking in the ring'

I like & Respect Mundine as a fighter but please stop playing the race card, its never been there unfortunatly his actions may have accounted for it .

I apologise in advance if anyones offended by my comments but like Adrian i still feel we are entitled to our own opinions or have we now also lost due to 'political corretness' the most important thing called the 5th ammendment which is Freedom of Speech'






Im here to kill you -next time keep that chain letter going!!!

[Scotty84]

Pornstar, what can I say... Holy ****....
I applaud you!!! :)

[humble]

http://ninemsn.video.msn.com/v/en-au/v.htm?f=39&g=858e857f-bc9d-4c4c-97d9-02c6956e2180&p=AUnews_AUtoday&t=m2397

Interview with the champ!

Adrian,

quote:I have read what you have had to say but i really dont agree
with the racial overtones towards Mundine.



I dont think especially seeing his performance on Wednesday that anyone can doubt his ability as a boxer.

quote:I think what frustrates the hell out the general public, is that he is never humble in his performace before or after a fight.

In the interview here what do you think he is? http://ninemsn.video.msn.com/v/en-au/v.htm?f=39&g=858e857f-bc9d-4c4c-97d9-02c6956e2180&p=AUnews_AUtoday&t=m2397

Are you forgetting that he just fought a fight? We expect fighters to be animals in training, automatically switch off when you walk out the door of the gym, switch back on come fight time and stay on during the fight and then switch back off immediately after his hand is raised.

That's just utter nonsense and shows that you have no idea of the mentality of a fighter. We aren't these robots you can turn on and off when ever you like. Sure, we need to have some civility but even when not at training or fighting if we are in "fight mode" we are irritable people to be around.

Anyone that thinks fighters are rosy and sweet all the time except when they are in the ring have no idea.

Ask any trainer and they will tell you that their fighters always become edgy, aggressive, irritable and moody come fight time.

That doesn't just vanish when you beat a guy and especially if you knock someone out.

That especially doesn't vanish when you have critics waiting to see you fall to say "sucked in".

He had his moment and he treated it the way he sees fit.

You argue against PC rules but you have double standards if you expect to act and say what you want yet deprive him of the same liberty of saying what he wants.



quote:Its never been a racial thing & in reality Mundine is the guy who creates the racial card.

Ofcourse he creates it and plays it. Why? Because it is there!

If you think there is no racism in Australia and amongst Australians then your deluded. That is not the majority way of Australians, but the elements are still there. Every society has been deculturalised, de-tribalised and turned into a race. The powers that be have created the race issue, not Mundine so he's taking them up on their creation.

Nations, tribes and cultures never pose a problem to anyone providing there isn't someone dividing us with "race" issues, which has been happening from the dawn of man's ability to rationalise the concept of "race" and see the massive implications it has on destroying our ability to see each other as wonderful "different" and fascinating cultures as opposed to a different "race".

The implications are massive and you don't seem to be able to decipher the difference between the two.


quote:How can we not forget, his comments on the today show in 2002,within 6 months of 9/11.

His comments ?

Something along the lines of ''America deserved it & they had it coming ''



The same way we cannot forget the hundreds and thousands of people killed because of the false justifications that the liers and perpetrators of the actual event made against innocent others.

Afghan... we'll create a story their, spin enough crap and get what we want, just pull a smoke screen and veil the truth from peoples eyes and work their emotions in speilberg like fashion and we should be right huh?

Next on the list? hmmmm Iraq sounds good, and it will fit our agenda, should be easy as well, we've already been bombing the daylights out of them for years with our chemical warfare testing, besides, I don't think their deformed babies and ill children would put up much of a fight.

You want to play ignore PC then do it whole heartedly, not according to your own self righteous standards.

If you promote lack of PC then afford him the same right to comment as he wants.




quote:2 months ago, Mundine made a Rap Video-BURNING THE AUSTRALIAN FLAG,who the **** does that?

Plenty of people. Happens every day amongst other social party activists or people who oppose their governments. 2GB reported many "Australians" flying their flags upside down across suburbia.

This is every day Australians expressing their beliefs that Australia is in "SOS" mode. We're being led down the gurgler by a half wit prime minister turning us into America's lap dog.

Australia is one of the best countries in the world because it is based around freedoms and multicultural unity but all that is being destroyed as they play the race game, the religon game and more.

Games games games. You just have to figure out how to play them and who is playing on which side.


quote:
& Its not just his boxing carrear, anyone remember him for years complaining that he wasnt in the nsw state of origin or the australian rugby league team bc as he called 'Its racial man, its bc Im black'

Ahem anyone remember a bloke by the name of Freddy Fiddler, who according to some was & is the greatest rugby league player ever ?

well they played in the same position for years.

I am so over this political correctness, its just way over the top.

Can anyone imagine the uproar or the shoe being on the other foot, if mundine had been selected in front of freddy fittler?

Would Freddy have ever turned around & said' Hey man its racial, they didnt pick me because im White'?

Lets look at America for a second ?

They have B.E.T ( Black Entertainment Television)

They have the Black Miss America

Anyone Remember the movie 'White Chicks' ?

Could you imagine the uproar if the world had

W.E.T ( White Entertainment Television)

or if the world had a White Miss America Crown ?

or if a movie was made callec'Black Chicks " ?

We would all be called KKK lovers.

I can be called a so called WOG/Grease Monkey/Dago yet i cant say anything because its so called expected.
yet if i call someone (which i never have/never will) the n or b word, i am deemed the racists ?

Talk about double standards !

When you look at the above, i always thought it was about one love/1 world, main thing is unity amongst us all.

Yet whos doing all the so called segragating ?

Ali the very least would always praise his opponent after a fight or mostly.

Its Great to be proud of your or your parents country's origins/Heritage, so can someone please explain to me as to why Mundine Came out flying the Torress Straight Island Flag ?

Theres a differance between being cocky just to sell tickets/ppv numbers & just mouthing off for the sake of mouthing off to get a reaction.

Mundine has this down to a fine art.

Kudo's to Mundine, hes a 2 time INTERIM champion now in 2 sports, not many people can sit there & say they have done that .

Moving forward Mundine now has total respect after he beat soliman from the public for his boxing attributes,he doesnt need to say anything more as the crowd will follow him just as long as he doesnt say anything more, for once cant he just say' ill do my talking in the ring'

I like & Respect Mundine as a fighter but please stop playing the race card, its never been there unfortunatly his actions may have accounted for it .

I apologise in advance if anyones offended by my comments but like Adrian i still feel we are entitled to our own opinions or have we now also lost due to 'political corretness' the most important thing called the 5th ammendment which is Freedom of Speech'



All those so called "Black" societies, foundations, networks or whatever are a direct misplaced defensive movements based around a model already created for them, that has deludingly let them believe they are standing up for some sort of right. The fact is, they fell right into the trap set up for them. That is, a pigmentation NWO racism cunningly designed to supposedly express their "fight" back and reclaiming of rights. Opposing a pigmentation racism with the same pigmentation racism does nothing but make you a slave to the master.

What sets you free is removing the concept of "race" from your mind alltogether.

It is purposefully designed to subject us to classifications. This is even introduced in school childrens minds from a very young age as they are ironically placed into "class" rooms. Classifications, sorting order, segregation and racism are all subtly watered and pruned until you no longer realise just how much of a racist you are. Infact, you think you are very anti-racism not realising the disgusting hidden racism you bury deep within your soul and hide by lieing to yourself.

This is a spiritual disease that we need to purge out of ourselves and it is not going to happen by listening to popular media culture or even so called "anti racism" campaigns.

Oh, and your speaking of the 1st Ammendment not the 5th which in any case is an American Ammendment as part of the bill of rights and although similar laws exist here it is anything but "AUSTRALIAN", but your so well programmed you even speak of American laws based on how much media culture you have been brainwashed by.

You with your own hand destroyed your own arguement.




"Everyone has a plan until they get smacked in the face."

-Mike Tyson

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[humble]

applaud what? His stupidity and lack of effective arguement?

5th ammendment lol, but what is to be expected of a person who calls himself "pornstar".



"Everyone has a plan until they get smacked in the face."

-Mike Tyson

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[allanf]

Boxing - bloody but beautifulBy Janet Fife-Yeomans
March 09, 2007 08:38am

I HAVE a confession to make. I truly like boxing.

My epiphany occurred on Wednesday night at the Sydney Entertainment Centre as Anthony Mundine and Sam Soliman smashed each other's faces in.

Despatched by the editor to report on the celebrity crowd, I found myself close enough to ringside to be sprayed with sweat, mucus and blood as fighters in support bouts beat each other up and knocked each other out.

Close enough to hear the sound of the boxing gloves ripping flesh and muscle out of the opponent.

Close enough to see the boxers' heads snap from side to side with the force of the punches.

Close enough to feel the ring rock as "Aussie" Bob Mirovic's huge frame was dumped unconscious to the canvas by a left hook. And close enough to smell the BO and halitosis emanating with the screamed instructions from certain team members in the red corner.

I hate violence and always thought boxing was a brutal sport for blood-lusting macho boofheads. And of course it is.

But I was also close enough to appreciate the tactics, the warrior spirit and the guts, the footwork and grace of Soliman and the power and menace of Mundine.

No one makes them climb into the ring with someone who wants to punch their lights out.

They even look to be enjoying it.

Well, some of them did.

The defeated fighters didn't look very happy but, in their prone, unconscious state, they certainly seemed to be at peace.

In the Vegas-style crowd, celebrities rub shoulders with gangsters and half-naked women wearing too much jewellery, which only adds to the overall addictive, carnival atmosphere. It was like being on the red carpet at an Oscars ceremony for Sydney's "known to police" community.

It's loud and it's messy and it's boxing. It's more fun in the flesh than on TV and I loved it. I've been blooded.

[Scotty84]

"Lets look at America for a second ?

They have B.E.T ( Black Entertainment Television)

They have the Black Miss America

Anyone Remember the movie 'White Chicks' ?

Could you imagine the uproar if the world had

W.E.T ( White Entertainment Television)

or if the world had a White Miss America Crown ?

or if a movie was made callec'Black Chicks " ?"

Racist!

Is this not true???
Of course it is.
In my 22 years of living in the northwest I've found that more of the "minorities" are racist over the "majority".

I couldn't count the number of times I've been called a "White ****" (to my face) for absolutely no reason and nothing will be done about it. Swap roles, and I'm racist.

[imported_n/a]

Humble,

Keep this crap off the board - frankly we don't want to hear the half baked geopolitical sermon and realpolitik view of America according to Mundine.


I do not like Mundine because he has become one of the exploiting promoters when he could go the other way and do so much more for grassroots boxers by putting some dollars and exposure in their pockets rather than exploiting them by claiming they should be in raptures fighting on his cards.



Edited by - PIRA PIRA on 09 Mar 2007 14:15:21

[rebel]

i agree, and humble relax with calling everyone "deluded" and saying "they have no idea" when they have an opposing and generally harmless viewpoint. are you the only enlightened one?

[robot]

quote:
WTF is tarik doing in the ring i saw hes ugly head in the back round he can smell money from a mile , he should stay in his bird flu 3rd world midnight express country promoting turkeys.

I really wanted sam to win, and on top of the loss i see solak what else can go wrong


------------------------
Fact
Greeks have dominated Kickboxing in Australia
since kickboxing was established


I was wondering what tarik was doing in there as well?
Yeh no need for the other comments though.
But i was happy for mundine, although i picked it by decision lol.

[Bushi]

**Off topic**

Allanf said...


quote: No person can deny this man's talent.
He should have been selected to play Rugby for Australia and was the best No.6 in the NRL during the mid-late 90s. However there were a number of racial vilification issues facing Australian sport during that time. He quit because he felt betrayed by national selectors because he was ‘black’. Now, he is a world champion in a different sport all together. I cannot think of any sportsman who has achieved the heights of two different sports?. There have certainly been a few sportswomen but they cannot be classified as World Champions
I disagree with his antics...but then again it's all for show.
His mouth makes people listen and we as sports lovers are intrigued by this.
Whether you want to see him on his bum or knock someone out for the 10 count...the common denominator is people want to see Mundine in the ring.
Tell me, how many people have watched any Soliman’s previous 32 fights or Green’s previous 28 fights (prior to Mundine)? But most people can claim to see some of Green v Mundine and Mundine v Soliman. Why? Because it involves Mundine
Anthony is very, very clever. Not only is he a talented boxer and a supreme athlete, his mouth and his manager and the brains behind the gloves. The name calling, trash talking the rap songs, the suits, the antics are all for show…all of it. It’s made for people like you and I to pay their way through Main Event at home or at a pub and watch him win or lose.
The money bag wasn’t the Soliman v Mundine decision. Mundine made his money prior to people subscribing to fight. In yesterday’s encounter with Soliman, he made his money in December 06. On a Mundine undercard it is the fighters that pay Mundine to fight. You do not earn the right to fight on a Mundine undercard. You pay to fight (with the exception of the penultimate fight). It is why you saw so many average boxers linied up to be part of the card. Because average boxers understand, (for example) on a Green or Soliman card, the average boxer will not be seen by the Australian public. But put them on a Mundine undercard and the average boxer will be seen on every man, women in pub, club or household. Mundine is a money making machine….and it’s all for show.

Sorry guys, that was NOT allanf, cos there wasn't a spelling or grammatical error in it...someone else is posting under Allanf...<img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle>

Bushi
"Yours in Bushido"

"Go as far as you can see, and when you get there you'll see further"

[dimslim96]

As humble said this is a racial factor. If Mundine didnt talk alot it wouldnt change nothing because he doesnt say his Australian.. Why r ppl judging him because he didnt have the Aussie flag wit him that nite. UMM hello Maybe he doesnt want to represent a country that miss treated his ancestors.. ???

dimslim

[Scotty84]

Dimslim you gotta let that bull**** go.
****en get over it, i'm sick of hearing that sort of ****. just shut the **** up.
Everyones ancestors got ****ed at one time or another so just let that **** go.

No one will respect him as a champion boxer unless he shuts his ****en mouth once in a while.



Edited by - scotty84 on 09 Mar 2007 14:48:07

[whitetiger]

itwas the english who mistreated our ancestors, not australians. Time to move on and make sure we dont have the same mistakes from long time ago.

[perrycale]

Humble/Wessam,

I will give you the 1st ammendment one,yet as you say that my arguement has holes my friend unfortunatly yours does as well.

You say the well dou expect fighters to just switch off after a fight ?

well 2 days later Mundines still going on & pretty much demonishing his opponent Sam Soliman.

As much as you want the race card to be there its not there, 10- 15 even 20 years ago it was there , not now people are educated & understand what racism is.

His 9/11 comment unfortunatly i dont think you really answered, you went on a tirade about other people/races being persicuted.

Humble plain & simple Mundines comments were just plain wrong more so stupid.

As for plenty of people burning the australian flag, isnt that illegal & you are charged ?

I agree with you that our Prime Minister is a pelican, i cant believe that we have had a guy in power for over 10 years that looks like the guy on the 'MR sheen Spraycan'


Australia isnt being destroyed by the race game unless people play it, which to be honest they dont .

I dont think there is anything wrong with asking to remove the race card all together from society.

Humble if i was a so called racist as you would call it, my mrs is polish/german , my background is greek/italian, i wear a necklace of ganesh on me.

Wouldnt i want to ahem marry one of my own ?

wouldnt i segrate her ?

my 2 kids 4 backgrounds now, wouldnt be upset that i killing the arion race or the N.W.O by not ahem breeding with my own ?

To show you the confusion when people bring the race card & i AM borrowing this from another board.

Mundine is a Muslim & Torres straight islanders are christians.

Mundine carries the T.I Flag, theres an absolute contradiction there.

have a look for yourself, as i am not the only one with this opinion.


http://p207.ezboard.com/faustralianboxingforumfrm1.showMessage?topicID=130 64.topic






Im here to kill you -next time keep that chain letter going!!!

[humble]

Scotty it's easier to let it go when you are severed from your heritage and culture which is the direct purpose of current socially engineered lifestyle.

If you're sick of it, then don't assume everyone has to bow down to your command and stop talking about it.

This is a discussion board and people began discussing Mundine - The person. I as well as others have every right to defend him or not defend him without a sooky tantrum telling us to stop talking about the issue.

If you want to discuss the boxing only then do that and leave his "person" out of it, otherwise it is hypocritical to ask other to stop whilst you are free to continue.

Pira Pira, no I'm not enlightened but I certainly don't regurgitate boring plagarised ideas of puppet masters and then get it blatantly wrong in the process.



"Everyone has a plan until they get smacked in the face."

-Mike Tyson

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[imported_n/a]

Actually as neither of these two are kickboxers or Thai fighters then this topic does not belong on this board thus we can prevent the inevitable flood of fanboys by killing it now.

[Scotty84]

quote:
If you want to discuss the boxing only then do that and leave his "person" out of it, otherwise it is hypocritical to ask other to stop whilst you are free to continue.


My comment was in reply to this.

"UMM hello Maybe he doesnt want to represent a country that miss treated his ancestors.. ???"

I don't want people to stop talking about his boxing or his "person".
I'm just sick of hearing this sort of ****.
Like I said, everyones ancestors have been mistreated at one time or another, yet you don't hear everyone else whinging about it constantly , do you.

[humble]

Nations and tribes are different, they are there to know, respect and learn about one another. There is nothing inherently racist about people "sticking to their own" unless that is accompanied by a "we are the superior race" attitude.

That is what much of western civilisation enforced on the rest of the world that became colonialised or occupied.

Since then, there has been a promotion of "intermixing" under the disguise of harmony and acceptance slogans but it has been done under the pretense that cultures, tribal traditions etc are destroyed and forgotten.

The strength derived from having cultural and tribal heritages and upholding them without imposing yourself onto others is what allows humanity to remain rich.

The lack of it is what destroys and corrupts us.

If you want more inter-culture, and inter-nation harmony, embrace the culture and nation of those you don't know and don't ask them to change. Accept them and practise your own and share it with whomever asks. Otherwise it is nothing more than falling directly into the hands and ideas of elitist puppet masters who are hell bent on seeing the world fragmented and severed whilst superficially displaying a so called "acceptance" policy between us all, when in actual fact, we all carry these deep seated and rooted racist ideas that is very hard to get rid of.

"Everyone has a plan until they get smacked in the face."

-Mike Tyson

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[perrycale]

So Humble in a Nutshell your saying 'Hey Man except me for me but i dont have to except you '
Bc thats how your agument is coming out totally, im enjoying this arguement yet your not answering anyones questions even the ones i have asked just a massive rant on other topics.

Keep this topic going my post counts are going up !:)

Im here to kill you -next time keep that chain letter going!!!

[humble]

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/03/08/fightsolimanfalls_gallery__470x329.jpg

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/03/08/fightsolimanhit_gallery__470x351.jpg

"Everyone has a plan until they get smacked in the face."

-Mike Tyson

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[humble]

In answer to your question

where did he demonise him in the interview today?



"Everyone has a plan until they get smacked in the face."

-Mike Tyson

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[humble]

quote: As for plenty of people burning the australian flag, isnt that illegal & you are charged ?

Yes it is illegal, I did mention earlier in the thread there is plenty of things I don't agree with that he does. But I did mention that even born and bred "Australians" are flying their flags upside down as a sign of their distaste for current Australian politics.

2GB commentators were going off about this and as usual racistly denying the right of people to disagree. These people didn't burn the flag but they did very smartly use it in a derogatory manner. It wasn't one, but several people that did this.

I'm sure Alan Jones, Ray Hadley or others would be more than ready to speak about the topic.

In regards to flag burning, what I meant is that it happens all over the world and no-body kicks up this much of a stink as much as it happens here.



"Everyone has a plan until they get smacked in the face."

-Mike Tyson

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[perrycale]

Wessam/Humble,

If your a boxer thats great , but Mundines the one bring out the race card, i cant stress enought of how close to the edge of what he thinks is a smart marketing ploy could totally backfire in more ways than one.

Heres Mundines latest Ahem comments

http://p207.ezboard.com/faustralianboxingforumfrm1.showMessage?topicID=130 75.topic


Whats he trying to create here Christians vs Muslims ?

Cmon Humble, please dont tell me you cant see what i am saying , once again ill do the shoe on the other foot.

If Soliman had won & then gone on about a rant that the almight god had defeated the prophett alah, that all muslims wouldnt be upset ?

Well the one of the same things is happening now.


Its just not needed.






Im here to kill you -next time keep that chain letter going!!!

[Superman_]

Can't we all just get ALONG?

[Scotty84]

quote:
But I did mention that even born and bred "Australians" are flying their flags upside down as a sign of their distaste for current Australian politics.

I also don't agree with majority of the things the Australian government do, but I am, and will always be, proud to call myself Australian.

quote:
In regards to flag burning, what I meant is that it happens all over the world and no-body kicks up this much of a stink as much as it happens here.


Is this really a bad thing? Is it bad to be patriotic.
How did you feel when Sydney (BDO) tried to tell everyone that they couldn't take Australian flags to the concert...
WTF? That is THIS COUNTRIES FLAG, there is no day that anyone in Australia should be stopped from flying an AUSTRALIAN FLAG!!! FULL STOP.

[adrian]

It's alright for minorities to getaway with it a little because they are in the minority. If the majority does it then they are wrong because they don't need to. They're already in the majority/powerful.

[Scotty84]

quote:
It's alright for minorities to getaway with it a little because they are in the minority. If the majority does it then they are wrong because they don't need to. They're already in the majority/powerful.



Unfortunately I think this kind of thinking "inspires" racism.
If someone calls you names, threatens you, harms you etc. etc. you're not going to like, respect or want to see/deal/put up with them.
Therefor, if this is between races, It begins...

Cheers.
Jason

[P-DYNAMO]

quote: Keep this topic going my post counts are going up !



LMAO

[humble]

That thread is a joke Pornstar.

Is that what is blowing everyones fuse? That he said:

"I took him apart and showed him my power – and the power of Allah"

Is that seriously your one line proof of him being so bad?

Newsflash dude, coptic Christians call God "Allah" too. Christian Arabs call God Allah, Jewish Arabs call God Allah. Why? Because it is an Arabic word for God, not a separate God.

Greeks call God Theos, that doesn't mean that Christian greeks worship a different God than Christian Australians.

The man feels he was inspired and powered by God.

Had he said that and had their been no indication of him being Muslim until present day, then it would of been largely unheard much like many other people thanking God after awards or fights.

What is interesting in all this is that nobody is turning this into a Muslim vs Christian thing except Mundine haters or critics.

I didn't see people kick up a stink when Sam mentioned "I want to thank the Lord Jesus Christ" in his interview post fight. Mundine didn't mention anything related to God post fight interview, Sam did.

Mundine mentions it a day later and he is supposedly critisized over it?

That's lame.

That wont work mate and neither the opinion of Andy on that site.

Good writer, terrible arguement.

"Everyone has a plan until they get smacked in the face."

-Mike Tyson

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[Scotty84]

quote:What is interesting in all this is that nobody is turning this into a Muslim vs Christian thing except Mundine haters or critics.

Easy tiger, nothing religious here.

Cheers.
Jason

[humble]

quote: Is this really a bad thing? Is it bad to be patriotic.
How did you feel when Sydney (BDO) tried to tell everyone that they couldn't take Australian flags to the concert...
WTF? That is THIS COUNTRIES FLAG, there is no day that anyone in Australia should be stopped from flying an AUSTRALIAN FLAG!!! FULL STOP.

Patriotism is bad when as I mentioned earlier it develops into or carries with it a "superior race" attitude. This is evidenced in the Cronulla riots when supremists showed an ugly side that does exist here.

Patriotism is not so bad when it has attached to it a humility and acceptance of the other.

When I heard that they tried to Ban the flag at the BDO ( which wasn't true anyway) I was against that. Why should everyone be banned to wear something based on the paranoia of a few. It only became a larger issue when BDO organisers thought it may cause disharmony ( but they didn't ban it, they merely suggested not wearing/displaying it as a precautionary measure which in itself might of been a ploy to encourage it because they know how people will react). What I am against is sneaky tactics to encourage disharmony.

But the arguement and bravado attachment is lame, without disrespect to the flag ofcourse. If we invested as much energy in human attachment as we do in flags, then we'd be much better off as humans.

"Everyone has a plan until they get smacked in the face."

-Mike Tyson

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[Rocky]

Mundine kicked solimans ass. Simple.

If sam was not such a nice bloke, noone would be talking down what mundine had said.

Now come on, the more you discuss what happened after the fight, the more it takes away from the near immaculate perfomance of the 2 time world champ Anthony "The Man" Mundine!

[humble]

The best thing about this all is pornstar directing me to that link.

very interesting.

Some nice quotes from a chap which I will research into on that site:

"Mr Neville holds the view that within one hundred years the pure black will be extinct. But the half-caste problem was increasing every year. Therefore their idea was to keep the pure blacks segregated and absorb the half-castes into the white population....The pure black was not a quick breeder. On the other hand the half-caste was. In Western Australia there were half-caste families of twenty and upwards. That showed the magnitude of the problem. In order to secure the complete segregation of the children..(they) were left with their mothers until they were two years old. After that they were taken from their mothers and reared in accordance with white ideas." - A.O. Neville, Brisbane Telegraph, 1937

This extract gives us the idea that some white Australians were clearly very worried by the apparently prolific nature of a half-caste Aboriginal population. In reality the Indigenous population in 1901 was around 93,000 as compared to 6,000,000 non-Indigenous.


A 1937 Federal Government conference on Native Welfare concluded in its final report that "...the destiny of the natives of Aboriginal origin, but not of the full blood, lies in their ultimate absorption by the people of the Commonwealth, and it therefore recommends that all efforts be directed to that end."

as at that time it was believed that full blooded Aboriginal people were doomed to inevitable extinction.

The stated aims were:

- to culturally assimilate mixed-descent Aborigines into contemporary Australian society so as to aid in the biological assimilation of the native race.

"Generally by the fifth and invariably by the sixth generation, all native characteristics of the Australian Aborigine are eradicated. The problem of our half-castes will quickly be eliminated by the complete disappearance of the black race, and the swift submergence of their progeny in the white." Dr Cecil Cook - Aboriginal Protector, Northern Territory.

"Everyone has a plan until they get smacked in the face."

-Mike Tyson

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[humble]

Sam is a lovely guy. Very well mannered and can hold his tongue when he needs to.

Mundine can't at times to his own admittance to the public.

He doesn't come across as the terrible person we paint him out to be in the interview posted on the previous page does he. And neither is he like that in public, away from cameras. Actually, you should see how shy he gets when he is all alone. He is almost bashful.

He's a showman with political interests. If he fine tunes his delivery and ideas some more, he is more than capable and is afforded the right to speak on whatever he pleases.

There should be no qualms about that.

"Everyone has a plan until they get smacked in the face."

-Mike Tyson

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[perrycale]

[quote]

Mundine can't at times to his own admittance to the public.

He doesn't come across as the terrible person we paint him out to be in the interview posted on the previous page does he. And neither is he like that in public, away from cameras. Actually, you should see how shy he gets when he is all alone. He is almost bashful.



Jesus H Christ Humble thats what ive been getting you to take a look at since this morning, no one is taking away Mundines Capabilities as a great fighter , he has proved that,showman to sell tickets yes.

I too have heard the same thing about Mundine that away from the ring hes very quite, very bashful.

If Mundine just curbed his enthusiasm at times with his views even as you say hold his tounge then it would be so much better.

Why does he still have to carry on like a porkchop after each & every fight,no need for it.

Now humble gimme a big hug !!!



Im here to kill you -next time keep that chain letter going!!!

[humble]

wipes away tears.... thanks pornstar.....that was therapeutic.

lmao

"Everyone has a plan until they get smacked in the face."

-Mike Tyson

http://www.infernal-chaos.com/JNI/DanielsJNISig.jpg

[Scotty84]

quote:Patriotism is bad when as I mentioned earlier it develops into or carries with it a "superior race" attitude. This is evidenced in the Cronulla riots when supremists showed an ugly side that does exist here.

Was this not, in a sense, retaliation?
I don't condone what happened in Cronulla but I also don't condone people bashing other people, killing other people, going to war with people etc.

There is no doubt there are supremists in Australia, you'd be an idiot to believe there aren't.

Anyway...

I think Mundine has a lot of "fine tuning" to do though.

Cheers.
Jason

Edited by - scotty84 on 09 Mar 2007 17:36:57

[Scotty84]

quote:
wipes away tears.... thanks pornstar.....that was therapeutic.

lmao

Hahaha

Cheers.
Jason

[humble]

Scotty, a retaliation based on a spun up sensationalisation.

The guys who perpetrated the bashings against the "off duty" ( read out and about normal blokes) lifeguards (which of course is still wrong) were not Muslims, they were Christian Arabs which police reports have confirmed.

Actually the investigative reports on that whole saga is blatantly different to what the media fed us all.

If you can get your hands on it, have a read.

I don't know if it was made public (ie via the net) etc.

You could call Parramatta and ask for it though, it should be available to the public if you push the right buttons.

Anyway, I agree, he has fine tuning, no doubt. But as I said, embrace him as is the all welcoming and embracing culture of Australians or at least as I know it and watch his attitude change.

If I ever fight overseas, what do you think I am going to drape myself in? Certainly not a Lebanese flag.... what the hell has Lebanon ever done for me?

I acknowledge the country of residence but like things we and people we love, we point out their mistakes the most because we are so intimate with them. People who love one another do that and sometimes they get upset but it is better to have someone make you cry, that cares for you than to have someone make you laugh that lies to you.

I care for the place I live in as it is an inbuilt thing I have been raised with to honour those that honour me, but I will with that same care attempt to fix ( as little as my efforts may be) the faults I see.

This is all civilised exchanges of ideas and there is no harm in it.

I just wish more of this could happen where it matters.

"Everyone has a plan until they get smacked in the face."

-Mike Tyson

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[Scotty84]

quote:Actually the investigative reports on that whole saga is blatantly different to what the media fed us all.

If you can get your hands on it, have a read.

I don't know if it was made public (ie via the net) etc.

You could call Parramatta and ask for it though, it should be available to the public if you push the right buttons.

If I had of read the report that you refer to I may not have made the comment I did, obviously depending on how I read into the report. I may call them as I would actually like to read it.

Thanks for informing me :)

Cheers.
Jason

Edited by - scotty84 on 09 Mar 2007 19:17:59

[perrycale]

I think scotty needs a hug too...

Its all your fault Adrian !!! lol

Im here to kill you -next time keep that chain letter going!!!

[Dynamite Drew]

one other thing to note :

doesnt mundine always say he wants to be a role model and help his people (ie aboriginals) and that the british and white man in general are against them and they need to stand up for themselves

but by becoming a muslim , hasnt he gone against his people by embracing a religion that his people dont follow and discarded their spiritual beliefs ???

sounds very hypocritical to me

We who are truely brave will never live in fear

Edited by - Dynamite Drew on 09 Mar 2007 20:59:00

[ECKS]

Religion is one thing Dynamite Drew , nationality and culture are another. Two totally different things!!

It aint about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward!

[humble]

Aboriginal people are flocking to Islam because it offers many commonalities with their own traditional culture and belief system.

Many Aboriginals are learned enough to even tell you stories that their ancestors have passed down to them about Muslims coming to the land, meeting with the Aboriginals and leaving their land alone and going back home.

It is a recorded fact that Afghani sailors and Indonesian sailors who were Muslims set foot on this Island well before any Englishman did. The difference is, they didn't force their way upon them and let them be.

I have an Aboriginal friend who's ancestry is Sudanese on one side and Koori on the other. Very interesting fellow who knows his history very well.

He isn't being hypocritical at all Dynamite. He has embraced a religon that embraced his people and embraces their rights and didn't force upon them ideas.

He conciously made a choice to become Muslim.

Take a drive down to Redfern and you'll notice their quite a few Aboriginal Muslims.

Or has this become taboo as well?

"Everyone has a plan until they get smacked in the face."

-Mike Tyson

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[HumbleBeeDumbledeeDo]

You put your right hand on needle ,you put your right and on smack ,you draw the white stuff in and you shake it all about, you do the hokey pokey and you jab it in, thats what your all about!

[8count]

You don't think he could be emulating his idol by converting to Islam do you? Sounds a more logical explanation to me.

[P-DYNAMO]

Realy..Who cares what religion he is,thats up to him...He mite talk crap and get on poeples nerves,but hey we all wana see him fite..And he can certanly fite,he puts on a great show with his antics before the fite and it gets people watching.Its great for boxing,you mite wana see him get bashed or you mite wana see him kick ass,but you wana see him..Nobody these days does it better.good on Anthony Mundine..

[humble]

8 count, nah, not when you know who the influences around him were for him to embrace Islam. It is co-incidental that Muhammad Ali also is one of his role models.



"Everyone has a plan until they get smacked in the face."

-Mike Tyson

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[Sweetness]

Congratulations to Mundine.

I watched the fight and even though I'm a friend of Sammys I was hoping he would win this fight.
Sammy can take a lot of hits he kept coming back and back but Mundine proved that he has improved a hell of a lot since their encounter.
I congratulate both fighters on a fight that was worth the wait.
So does anyone know who Mundine is fighting next?
Can anyone stop The Man.

To the Men and Women who get in a ring to Box or Kick-box, I take my hat of to u all not matter who wins the fight I believe you are all winners.
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You only live once so enjoy it.

[adrian]

quote:
I think scotty needs a hug too...

Its all your fault Adrian !!! lol

Im here to kill you -next time keep that chain letter going!!!



heh heh, I was trying to compare it to how americans didn't like Ali cuz he was a loud, cocky black man and not a quiet, soft spoken Joe Louis type.

About his 9/11 comments, they were badly worded, but didn't alot of people think the US had it coming because of their foreign policy? I don't think Mundine meant each individual who got burned in that building deserved it.

[perrycale]

quote:
quote:
I think scotty needs a hug too...

Its all your fault Adrian !!! lol

Im here to kill you -next time keep that chain letter going!!!



heh heh, I was trying to compare it to how americans didn't like Ali cuz he was a loud, cocky black man and not a quiet, soft spoken Joe Louis type.

About his 9/11 comments, they were badly worded, but didn't alot of people think the US had it coming because of their foreign policy? I don't think Mundine meant each individual who got burned in that building deserved it.




I do see your point adrian, usa does stick its nose where its not required on pretty much everything, i just think that the timing of it by mundine was just really piss poor & unnecasary.

Race,Creed has nothing to do with it, theres so called bad apples in many races, greeks, italians, lebanese , turks , etc.

No so called race is perfect we all know that.

I have been waiting on an answer to this question since yesterday, as to why Mundine brought the Toress Straight Island Flag, was it an oversight or what ?

Im here to kill you -next time keep that chain letter going!!!

[nagas]

It's obvious Mundine turned to Islam cause Muhammad Ali turned to Islam.
Then Mike Tyson copied Ali. (Why hasn't Tyson changed his name to an islamic name??? that goes for Mundine too.) and i wonder how many times Mike Tyson prays..... you can only wonder.
Muhammad Ali changed his name cause he did'nt want to be called by a slave name anymore. (Cassius Clay).
Mundine and alot of fighters try to emulate Muhhamad Ali obviously cause he was the greatest... in and out of the ring, the thing these fighters don't realize is Muhammad Ali was very clever & witty when it came to playing around with his opponents.
Alot of times you can see he's tongue in cheek with his taunts, alot of fighters who want to talk it up good luck to them but not many have the delivery and class of Ali.
By the way im just making a point, i could'nt give a **** what religion each individual is.

"Alex your drunk & he's you brother"
"yes im drunk, tommorrow i'll be sober, but he'll always be a fag*ot" Van Damme

[Aaden]

The anomaly of "the Man" Mundine.

On the one hand, I reckon Australia's greatest all round athlete. On the other, a d*ckhead.

If it wasn't for his public comments, he'd be my sporting hero. A deadset champion in the only two sports I've ever been seriously involved in. A clean living, non drinking, non smoking, family man, who is reportedly a very nice bloke in private.

In terms of the race issue - I'm not an educated man - I can't comment on, for example, the underpinnings of the post communist geopolitical paradigm and it's effect on islamic militants in rural Tajikistan (wish I did know about important sh*t like that Humble!).

However, I do know one thing - If Anthony had taken a positive approach, he would've been a force of reconciliation. Embraced by all Australians.

Unfortunately, rather then being remembered in the great tradition of aboriginal fighting men, including the likes of Elley Bennet, Ron Richards, the Sands Brothers, Lionel Rose and let's not forget old man Tony, he will be remembered by most as a d*ckhead.

In my view, he is one of sports greatest tragedies. His unmatched talent provided the perfect platform to expose the serious issues of his people, in a respectful and inclusive manner. Instead, he chose to, "show all the doubters, who don't know sh*t"

Comments like that are not helpful for the image of ringsports. But hey, at least he's made a heap of cash from the controversy, right?

[rebel]

quote:
The anomaly of "the Man" Mundine.

On the one hand, I reckon Australia's greatest all round athlete. On the other, a d*ckhead.

If it wasn't for his public comments, he'd be my sporting hero. A deadset champion in the only two sports I've ever been seriously involved in. A clean living, non drinking, non smoking, family man, who is reportedly a very nice bloke in private.

In terms of the race issue - I'm not an educated man - I can't comment on, for example, the underpinnings of the post communist geopolitical paradigm and it's effect on islamic militants in rural Tajikistan (wish I did know about important sh*t like that Humble!).

However, I do know one thing - If Anthony had taken a positive approach, he would've been a force of reconciliation. Embraced by all Australians.

Unfortunately, rather then being remembered in the great tradition of aboriginal fighting men, including the likes of Elley Bennet, Ron Richards, the Sands Brothers, Lionel Rose and let's not forget old man Tony, he will be remembered by most as a d*ckhead.

In my view, he is one of sports greatest tragedies. His unmatched talent provided the perfect platform to expose the serious issues of his people, in a respectful and inclusive manner. Instead, he chose to, "show all the doubters, who don't know sh*t"

Comments like that are not helpful for the image of ringsports. But hey, at least he's made a heap of cash from the controversy, right?







there it is, best post on this thread. simple and true.

[ECKS]

Actually naggas, humble's right when he mentions that the influences around him were more likely the reason why. If you know his mates you'd understand this would be more of a logical explanation. As for not changing their names, the religion actually encourages converts to keep their names to maintain their roots and heritage.

Ali when converting was apart of the Nation of Islam ( although no longer), represented by african-american muslims whose last names derived from their slave-master ancestors, which they no longer wanting to be identified by hence changing them.

It aint about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward!

[humble]

quote: It's obvious Mundine turned to Islam cause Muhammad Ali turned to Islam.


No it is not obvious, care to show us how it is so obvious?

Mundine became Muslim when Louis Farrakan et al came out here. He became interested but Nation of Islam are anything but accepted by Mainstream orthodox Muslims. They are considered an outside sect based on theological discrepancies and heresies that they believe in.

However, Mundine was further influenced by other Muslims around him and made the choice of becoming Muslim.

You don't change your religon in a split second and anyone that does, it is to be feared for them that they will exit just as fast as they converted.

Changing religon is a spiritual fight against yourself, those around you, your family and more. It is not a simple thing to do and one has to be up to the task. Anthony didn't change religon for a boyhood idol/rolemodel dream. He did so out of belief. He may not be the best practising Muslim but what makes someone a Muslim is belief in certain criteria. Muslims are not sinless and are punishable for the sins they commit and I'm sure Anthony has made and will continue to make mistakes. Being Muslim doesn't mean you stop being human. We all error. The real hardship is not breaking down every opponent in the ring. The real hardship is breaking down yourself, humiliating your own self and picking out and being aware of your ill thoughts and actions and work to try and rid yourself of those things.



quote:Then Mike Tyson copied Ali. (Why hasn't Tyson changed his name to an islamic name??? that goes for Mundine too.)

It is not a requirement in Islam that when one converts they have to change their name. It is not even a suggestion. The only time a name change would be required is when ones original name is opposed to tenets of belief within the Muslim faith. For example if ones name is worshipper of the moon (Abdul Amar) or worshipper of the Sun (Abdul Shams) etc, this would be directly opposing tenets of belief for Muslims because Muslims do not worship the sun or the moon and to do so would be blasphemy (for a Muslim).

Even if one changes their name, it is encouraged they keep their family name (again providing it doesn't contravene sacred law/tenets of faith). The reason being is that Islamically, heritage, lineage and back ground should be traceable. Islam placed heavy emphasis on respecting your lineage and heritage.

quote:and i wonder how many times Mike Tyson prays..... you can only wonder.

God knows, but I think it is safe to bet that he doesn't and isn't very practising at all, possibly he may have left Islam.


quote:Muhammad Ali changed his name cause he did'nt want to be called by a slave name anymore. (Cassius Clay).

And that is perfectly acceptable, Islamically and socially.


Aaden, I agree with much of what you say, however regarding this,

quote:However, I do know one thing - If Anthony had taken a positive approach, he would've been a force of reconciliation. Embraced by all Australians.

I think it works both ways.

If you have a problem child, you don't wait for them to make a huge mess of themselves before you correct them. You also have to embrace the child at the same time you counsel them.

The child may take a while but they will eventually submit to that embrace and act accordingly.

Both sides are now on the defensive and not accepting each other.

Assume Mundine the child, and Australia as a whole the parent which I think is fair to assume. If Australia shows him a little support, I believe he will change his attitude and even though he could still be an ambassador for his peoples rights, the method by which he works for their rights would be much different and he would be embarressed to act any other way.




"Everyone has a plan until they get smacked in the face."

-Mike Tyson

http://www.infernal-chaos.com/JNI/DanielsJNISig.jpg


Edited by - humble on 10 Mar 2007 14:37:16

[nagas]

Ali The greatest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p8iJXUWLKw

Mundine may have been influenced by his mates around him, to bad for himself that he could'nt gain strength from his own people and background.
But when you have no strong religious beleif of your own, you may listen to people who make valid points on the basics of life, espescially when times get tough people that beleive in nothing might look at converting.
Anyways i don't care for religion, as long as people respect each other & are kind to eachother thats enough for me.
Religion to me segregates people & it plays a big part in controlling your sheep to follow you when it's time to kill in the name off ******* insert the name of whoever you follow.
Politics,religion & the media control people and make people blindly follow, eg Vietnam, Korea,Ethiopia,Somalia,Serbia,Iraq & then again Iraq,Afghanistan who's next..... who's the next bad guy.... Iran looks likely, korea maybe, the telltale signs are there when the media starts the propaganda going about certain countries people or leaders, then place your bets cause within a couple of months it's on.
Why did Australia help East Timor gain Independence from Indonesia??
Any takers, cause were nice people??? Or do we like controlling East Timors GAS something like 30% for them 70% for us.
Then selling it to China for i forget how many billions of $$$$$$.
Anyways this is way off topic so ill stop.

"Alex your drunk & he's you brother"
"yes im drunk, tommorrow i'll be sober, but he'll always be a fag*ot" Van Damme

[humble]

Religon isn't the problem. Lack of Religon is the problem or fanatics in any religon are the problem.

Don't wound and heal Nagas.

"Everyone has a plan until they get smacked in the face."

-Mike Tyson

http://www.infernal-chaos.com/JNI/DanielsJNISig.jpg

[nagas]

So Humble Athiests are bad people because ........?



"Alex your drunk & he's you brother"
"yes im drunk, tommorrow i'll be sober, but he'll always be a fag*ot" Van Damme

[Bushi]

Was there as boxing match between Soliman & Mundine <img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle> <img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle>

Back on topic or take it offline guys...otherwise everyone will start hating..<img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>

Bushi
"Yours in Bushido"

"Go as far as you can see, and when you get there you'll see further"

[humble]

oh, so Atheism is the answer to your "religion is the problem" issue?

Keep it in context mate.

You blamed religion, and I told you that it wasn't religions problem but rather the lack of it (amongst people who supposedly identify themselves as belonging to a religion.) or fantatics in the religion.

But as Bushi said, this is now digressing. My email is in my profile if you would like to continue the conversation.



"Everyone has a plan until they get smacked in the face."

-Mike Tyson

http://www.infernal-chaos.com/JNI/DanielsJNISig.jpg

[nagas]

Like i said earlier this has gone off topic.
I've said my piece, now back to the greatest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiWyU9xNxAQ&mode=related&search=




"Alex your drunk & he's you brother"
"yes im drunk, tommorrow i'll be sober, but he'll always be a fag*ot" Van Damme

[Sweetness]

hey people from around the world and in my backyard.

OK PLEASE i posted this post discussing my views on TWO TOP FIGHTERS.
OK now after having a flick through, Certain people are ARGUING over Religion.

Guys/ladies be it Catholic, Hindu , Buddhism, Muslim , brown skin ,white skin , etc it doesn't matter.


Mundine is an out spoken person who says what he feels and he, like me couldn't care about what u people think or say of him.
This is Anthony's time in life to shine and he is.

Religion might have played a part but the MAKER who put him here is giving him this Gift and talent.

So please leave the nastiness out this world has to much hate.

Good on a (2 TIME) athlete

Anyway back to Poker and Vodka.

Peace people

You only live once so enjoy it.

[Sweetness]

Adrian

Do I know You?
Scotty got that hug lol <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

You only live once so enjoy it.

[Murray]

Good sense Aaden, that's how I feel too.

Mundine wins, great fighter, although, his constant "We were the victims" attitude greatly overshadows his accomplishments.

As for the Islam matter, well....each to their own. Lived in a Muslin country for so long, I still don't get it.

"Take a drive down to Redfern and you'll notice their quite a few Aboriginal Muslims." ??

[ford]

Mundine is a great boxer,and I was trying my best to support him but the guy just has to keep going.It has no has nothing to do with colour, religion or anything else that people try to make out Australia to be .It is so easy to keep blaming White people for everything,but in Australia you can do what ever you like theres no one stopping you.Humble I read your posts and you seem like a good bloke .But on this subject your've got that us vs them overtones that Mundine supports and thats the main problem i have with Mundine.

How can anyone heal when people won't let it happen. Australia is not the place that alot of people make it out to be ,which is quite popular at the moment.Hope everyone can get along one day.

[perrycale]

There was a post on another forum that summed it up perfectly, Mundine has stated a zillion times that hes the man & WANTS TO REPRESENT his people according to him, yet 8/10 with his comments rather than act like the man he acts like a child.

I find it laughable that he claims hes still living in redfern yet doesnt he live in a 3 storey mansion in the inner city of sydney ?

Hows that really representing according to him, his people ?

Im here to kill you -next time keep that chain letter going!!!

[dutts72]

Hey Humble

Love your posts and hope to catch up with you in sydney one day to shoot the breeze, sounds like we could talk for ages.

Just a quick point and correct me if im wrong isnt dear Sammy Soliman from Iranain background(proudly wearing an aussie flag). The reason I say this is when i was in Bkk last year he had just left the camp were he had been sparring with Arslan and one of my best mates who's kurdish/iranian was like yer sams iranian etc and all the boys from Iran loved him to death. I sent the messages of his loss to them in bkk and they were gutted.

Anyhow just some info, not stirring any pots but once again love your posts Humble. Salams!!

Whittee Thang Nak Lrop
Calcutta Karma Kids Project....INDIA BOUND

[Aaden]

Humble,

I tried to follow your child/parent analogy, I really did. I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed - you lost me? If I've partially understood what you're getting at...I'd have to disagree...seems a clear cut case of Anthony suffering from an oedipus complex...if you follow?

You're obviously a smart guy...but you remind me of the bloke at most BBQ's who waffles on about eastern philosophy and the signs of the zodiac, when the rest of the boys want to discuss footy and chicks!

Anyways, I rate you as a decent fighter and that's what counts on this forum...excited for your dust up with Thor when it happens - best of luck.

The problem with Anthony is not about race or religion...it's about his idiotic comments.

There was some discussion regarding the intentions behind his conversion...I'm not sure about that...but Ali provides a perfect example of Mundine's patent idiocy.

Early in the piece Mundine adopted the saying "I am the greatest." That was an unequivocal comparison of himself to a guy who truly was the black superman, pound for pound top 10, in my book, one of the 3 greatest heavyweight champions of all time.

It was a highly offensive comment. For those who know the history of boxing it had shades of Larry Holmes - he too made moronic and unnecessary comments like "Marciano wasn't fit to carry my jockstrap" Larry's attitude is the reason he is not remembered as he should be.

If Mundine's intention in saying "I am the greatest" was to position himself as a black activist, akin to Ali, then his idiocy has no bounds. This is not the days of "the Galvelston Giant" and the "Boston Tar Baby". This is not Louisville in the 50's and 60's. This is 21st century Australia. Very few will hate a black sportsman, simply because he's black.

Like many Australians my memory is disgraceful, but I do recall an episode about 7 years ago when an aboriginal women sparked a cauldron and embarked on a 400 metre journey to Olympic glory. She was embraced by a nation. 50 years ago that wouldn't have happened.

The same race issues don't apply today. The current challenges for aboriginal Australia are in my opinion issues like social and economic dislocation, education and health services, native title etc.

Anthony's antagonistic approach will not bring the real issues to the surface - it only provides ammunition to redneck w*nkers.

He has done nothing positive for:

1. The legacy of his old man, who was and is a true champion and gentlemen of the sport.
2. The plight of his people; and most importantly for me
3. Boxing in general

If Anthony came out tomorrow and said I've taken the wrong approach, he'd have my support. If "the Man" grows up and stops acting like a child,I reckon people, including myself, will give him is due and proper.

[humble]

Dutts, How ya goin!

He's definitely Egyptian.

I wikipedia'd him as well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Soliman

Looking forward to catching up with you too.

wsalam!

Aaden, respect to you mate. Good post. I agree with much of what your saying and am the first to acknowledge some major flaws in Mundine, but my only beef from the begining is that had he been a little more accepted, despite his stupidity and not constantly questioned (I know most of it is his fault for the way he carries on) then he may smarten his act up.

Just seems theres always a disclaimer to accepting his boxing status.

Having said that, there definitely a sway of popularity towards him.

I'm personally more motivated by the boxing. When he fought Kessler, something inside of me would of been happy if Mundine won, but I wanted Kessler to win and he did. I still think had Kessler fired up more he would of destroyed Mundine.

If they fight again it will prove very interesting. This time though, I do want Mundine to win.

"Everyone has a plan until they get smacked in the face."

-Mike Tyson

http://www.infernal-chaos.com/JNI/DanielsJNISig.jpg

[ECKS]

I think he's Egyptian Dutts....
A lot of hypocrisy on this thread. On one hand people want to discuss "footy and chicks" yet they downplay Mundines accomplishments because of his attitude and his political views. If you guys simply wanted to discuss boxing, then this thread would've only been about four pages long, but fact is you don't.

It aint about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward!

[samurai]

Hi

[Rocky]

Aaden, your obviously a fruit loop.

You said
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He has done nothing positive for:

1. The legacy of his old man, who was and is a true champion and gentlemen of the sport.
2. The plight of his people; and most importantly for me
3. Boxing in general
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1. He won a title his father never won
2. he has done the world for his people (frequently talking to kids at nearby school and teaching them wrong/right). As for you, who gives a damn about u?
3. boxing has lifted to a level never seen in australia, I do not neet to justify.


Now come on, is this about boxing or those who simply cant handle a defeat?

[Aaden]

Yes Rocky...I guess we're all a little fruity sometimes. I've had my psycho rant. Nuff said...peace.