Sting vs Chief

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Gee Peter Graham gave Paul Slowinski a bagging in the latest IK. I suppose he is still sour about getting his arse kicked in the K1 oceania!

[Big D]

ya think.....

<img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>think this would be a good headliner for a Knee of Fury<img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>

That is of course if the Sting has time to fight a local Chump now<img src=icon_smile_clown.gif border=0 align=middle>

THE TIME HAS COME

Big D is ready, are U ? ? ? ?

~~~ Long Live, Da one, Da Only, T Bear ~~~

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[Alan Wong]

Hey guys,

Its not a bad thing for Peter to say what he says. That will generate a lot of interest. One point I have to make though, Peter has been saying that we agreed to put Paul against him in a FTR fight is just not true. It was more like at a stage of negotiations and a promoter's (JNI) hope and dream. We never agreed to it and the fight was never confirmed plus at that time (before Paul kicked his behind in NZ) Paul was fighting exclusively in SA except for overseas fights. Speak to JNI about it and he'll tell you the same thing.

Back to the issue at hand, what has Paul got to gain fighting Peter again. NOTHING. I don't mean to be arrogant but Paul has bigger and better fights coming up which will guide him further up the K1 ladder. Fighting Graham is not going to give him that. Anyway, Graham can say what he likes, it only make him feel good within himself and nothing more.

[Kip Dynamite]

Peter Graham "CARPAE DEEZ NUTS"

Im training to become a cage fighter. Try and hit me, let me see what your best move is.

[samuaythai]

if it happens like i said before i hope ethan does his best to get it on a kof show but like alan has stated paul has better things ahead than the chief.

[imported_n/a]

Actually I think that nothing has really been settled between these two - a win in a tournamnet event really does not put any nails in the coffin combined with Paul's loss to Hari brings this contest to the forefront IMO. You can say that Paul has got better fights ahead however I cannot agree that he has comprehensively dominated Oceania -won yes but not blown away everyone.

BTW since when has one win amongst K-1 fighters ever conclusively settled an isse - look at Abidi, Herts, Hoost,etc. - all these guys have met multiple times with differing results.

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Graham just made himself look like a ****er bagging Sting after getting his arse whooped.

[Alan Wong]

Hey PIRA PIRA

I never said anything was settled. Plus why should we settle anything with Graham. Sure a tournament win does not mean Paul is a better fighter. We didn't complain when Peter stopped Paul a year earlier, instead we just got on with the job of improving ourselves. Like i said what does Peter have to offer if paul fights him, NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING. Clear enough!!!

BTW the ISSUE as you put it is not ours. As far as I am concerned the issue is Graham's.

Edited by - Alan Wong on 29 Dec 2006 13:07:52

[sniper]

peter smashed paul in their first bout so there is no way you can say paul is better than pete. his legs were already waisted in the second bout due to the damage hari gave him. win the fight in a one off fight and then talk can start but until that day happens peter is still the one to beat in my opinion.

[imported_n/a]

quote:
Hey PIRA PIRA

I never said anything was settled. Plus why should we settle anything with Graham. Sure a tournament win does not mean Paul is a better fighter. We didn't complain when Peter stopped Paul a year earlier, instead we just got on with the job of improving ourselves. Like i said what does Peter have to offer if paul fights him, NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING. Clear enough!!!

BTW the ISSUE as you put it is not ours. As far as I am concerned the issue is Graham's.

Edited by - Alan Wong on 29 Dec 2006 13:07:52


Actually Alan I think Peter vs Paul has a great deal to offer - to the fans. A fantastic matchup. Like you said it is one a piece - most fans would love to see a decider if you can call it that. If Paul beats him then he can move on and proclaim that he has nothing further to offer - until that time it stands at one a piece and therefore premature to state that Peter has NOTHING to offer.

BTW why are you shouting?

[Downcut]

Definitely a great one for the fans.

There's no way you can compare their two bouts after what happened to Pete's legs, and no doubt Paul has been the most active and improved of the two. So c'mon promoters... LET'S GET IT ON!!

My money's still on the chief. Will be a war!

[imported_n/a]

quote:
Definitely a great one for the fans.

There's no way you can compare their two bouts after what happened to Pete's legs, and no doubt Paul has been the most active and improved of the two. So c'mon promoters... LET'S GET IT ON!!

My money's still on the chief. Will be a war!




Downcut,


My money would be with yours. Although getting on in years I like the chief's handwork.

[Alan Wong]

Sure guys, this fight is good for the fans. However you lot have to understand that although any fighter has to satisfy the fans (in OZ at least), ultimately they are fighting for themselves. Paul has no other skills apart from fighting so he has to look for big pay days to ensure his financial future and at the moment the K1 offers that. There you go guys, that is why Peter has nothing to offer. I would like to see Paul smash Peter on a one off bout but hey I can't help it if promoters will only pay $3-$5 K. Sorry but I think Paul and Peter is worth much more than that especially after hard yards they put in.

Why does everyone say Peters leg was already damaged by hari when he fought Paul. Did anyone of you notice that Paul had a hard fight against Ron Sefo and did you notice he was wearing a knee brace? Were you guys in our change room after Paul's fight against Ronny. Paul's legs wasn't banged up???? Guys give credit where credit is due. Paul won the Oceania, and Peter could have won it too and so could a few others but the fact is Paul won it on the night. Sorry if its too much for you guys to accept, I can't give you any other satisfaction.

Why am I shouting, you ask PIRA PIRA. No i wasn't, just being an idiot trying to annoy you. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>



Edited by - alan Wong on 29 Dec 2006 16:17:59

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I tend to agree with Alan. I don't see why people are copping out on the excuse that Peters legs were sore.

Hello, Paul isn't exactly the softest kicker around. Guess what happens to your legs when you kick so bloody hard? We're not made of steel and we do end up pretty bad. The harder you kick, the more injury you incur despite your conditioning.

Paul blasted his way through those first few rounds. He didn't luck out. He fought wars too.

Comparing Hari-sting and Hari-Graham isn't appropriate either. I believe at that weight it takes one punch or one kick to change the whole fight. Graham wasn't exactly teeing off on Hari and Hari, although he is a **** talker isn't exactly a bad fighter. Peter smacked him good with that kick, but it definitely was mixed up with a bit of luck. Good timing sure, but luck did play a part.

Anyway, it's just so easy to point from the rafters but being in there is a different matter altogether.

I don't think Peters statements against Pauls hands are true and even if they were it doesn't matter. With kicks like Pauls and a chin and heart like his, I guarantee you, the fight will be a surprise and not so one sided.

"Everyone has a plan until they get smacked in the face."

-Mike Tyson

[imported_n/a]

quote:
Sure guys, this fight is good for the fans. However you lot have to understand that although any fighter has to satisfy the fans (in OZ at least), ultimately they are fighting for themselves. Paul has no other skills apart from fighting so he has to look for big pay days to ensure his financial future and at the moment the K1 offers that. There you go guys, that is why Peter has nothing to offer. I would like to see Paul smash Peter on a one off bout but hey I can't help it if promoters will only pay $3-$5 K. Sorry but I think Paul and Peter is worth much more than that especially after hard yards they put in.

Why does everyone say Peters leg was already damaged by hari when he fought Paul. Did anyone of you notice that Paul had a hard fight against Ron Sefo and did you notice he was wearing a knee brace? Were you guys in our change room after Paul's fight against Ronny. Paul's legs wasn't banged up???? Guys give credit where credit is due. Paul won the Oceania, and Peter could have won it too and so could a few others but the fact is Paul won it on the night. Sorry if its too much for you guys to accept, I can't give you any other satisfaction.

Why am I shouting, you ask PIRA PIRA. No i wasn't, just being an idiot trying to annoy you. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>



Edited by - alan Wong on 29 Dec 2006 16:17:59


Well at least that is an honest answer Alan - not sure about your approach though. Want to earn big paydays - then sell the package ala Johnny Lewis not the Norman Stone method.


My opinion, and many others though, is that the result may not be quite as cut and dried as some may think. Yes Paul won this years Oceania but the years before that? The name Peter Graham figures pretty heavily and, lets be honest, the contractual bull**** out of the ring prevented him from showcasing on the world stage when he was hot to trot.

I can understand you wanting to save Paul for the bigger pay days - I guess that's why I and many others like the Chief's Kyokushin attitude.

Humble,

No one is saying it would be one sided except the fighters talking smack and we all expect that. That said this is a fight that has to be made especially with recent developments (Bari, Oceania, smack talk, ageing warrior versus young gun, Rocky 6 - I am getting carried away here). Whilst I agree in part with you that comparing Paul-Hari, Peter-Hari is flawed nonetheless fans will draw their own conclusions.
Hari is a step alomg to the big paydays but examine the stats - Peter won by KO of the year, Paul lost. Certainly luck played its part but I think it was SRR who said that it was funny that the more he practiced the luckier he got in response to some doubts about some of his wins.

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I knew someone would use Grahams legs were banged up. But remember Sting won 3 fights convincingly to deserve the title. Pauls fight with Badr might not have been to good but I think he did well against Glaube(a top tier fighter). Sure Graham made top eight a few years ago but he got whooped by Bonjansky 1st fight.

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Oh and Sniper noone is saying Paul is better than Pete. More Paul is in a better position than Pete at moment. Must add I totally respect you Sniper just a healthy discussion about 2 world class aussie fighters.

[Alan Wong]

Kyokushin attitude is great. If you followed Paul's career then you would know that Paul will fight anyone anytime. He did that in his early days and until recently. He fought Stuart McKinnon with only 4 fight experience and in his 2nd fight he fought a guy from QLD (can't remember his name) who had many more fights than Paul and who also represented OZ in boxing at the Commonwealth Games. Then a couple of years ago he was asked to fight the Red Scorpion in Japan and without hesitation he accepted the fight and lost on a close point decision. He also took on Jurgen Kruth who was a more experience fighter (Muay Thai and K1, K1 Holland Champ) and Koed him in the 1st round. Unfortunately fighting the big boys take a lot out of you and injuries mounts. Paul being Paul will fight even though he has one leg in plaster. He fought the last 2 K1 fights with damaged lower back muscles.

So I can also say Paul has a very good attitude but one must be realistic because this game esp the Heavies is not something you can do for long periods. Why become a full time fighter if you are not interested in making yourself financially stable. Its just stupid but you have your opinions and I respect that but as a trainer I not only have to look after Paul's training but also his ability to maintain good mental strength to get in there time after time.

I am sure Paul vs Peter will happen but maybe not here in OZ. Will have to wait and see.

[BMT]

I would love to see this matchup in Adelaide but realisticly we cant afford it. We probably need at least a 4000 people audience.

[wheels]

Yes Peter did smash Paul in there 1st FITE.
But Paul & Allen lernt from that Fite & The next FITE Pual
came back & WON it fair & squar.There does haf to be a 3RD FITE.
But 5 grand a piece is NO ware near the price for this one i say.
These MEN R Both World class & should be looked after Accorddingly.
Yes my spelling sucks.All the BEST for the NEW YEAR Peter & Paul cher BROS,Alex.

[dekparwandsak]

Hi Allan

I wanted to ask you a few questions if you wouldnt mind?:)

Paul does not seem to be developing his Boxing skills?
I know that he would obviously trains his hands, but when he fights he doesnt seem to have improved very much over the years .
Pauls strength has always been his kicks.
But he seems to be so uncomfortable with his hands.
Does he have specialist Boxing training???
Does it adversly effect Paul when you are not at the fights with him?






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"KEEPIN IT REAL"

[GoGo]

Nice to hear Alan touching on it and so true.

We too often hear about challenges and heart and balls and stuff related to fighting, well, at K1 level similar to world class pro boxing it is a business. Paul has taken hard challenges his whole career as Peter Graham has however Paul has placed himself into a far better position right now and needs to capitalise on that position while he has the chance to secure his financial future and place amongst K1s elite.

Heavyweights cant take beatings forever or stay motivated forever so being smarter not harder will win this race if Peter wants Paul so bad he should concentrate on earning his shot via winning k1 Oceania getting to a qualifying tournament that Paul is in in Japan and thus earning a shot at the big time rather than challenging someone who is already there.

Talk is good but at end of the day it IS cheap.

Don't take a knife to a gun fight! So train harder than the next guy

[sniper]

im interested to know if you think it is a fight not in pauls interest now that peter has been given the opportunity to fight schilt now???

[BMT]

Well lets wait and see how he goes.

[BMT]

Lets not forget The Chief was recently beaten by Doug Viney.

[Voice]

let's not also forget the Chief beat Badh Hari in a war...he is tough and can pull something out from nowhere.

I think the point about Alan not being there is very valid. Some fighters gain a lot from their trainer/mentor in the corner. I can't help thinking that maybe with Alan in the corner against Bahr Hari he may have changed tactics on the fly as Hari was just too fast with the hands.

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