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montana
27-01-2003, 11:21 PM
My friend and I are haveing this HUGE debate on the luck factors of Martial Art. He does BJJ and I do Muay Thai. He thinks there is a bigger chance of him walking in to fight Hoost and throw haymakers and KO him. Then of me who has no BJJ experance to submit someone like Rickson Gracie. He gave me an example of the fight between Bernando N Goodridge, where Goodridge Ko'd Mike, as a suporting argument. He said he came in and threw haymakers at his head and KO'd him. He says its luck/fluke. I say it's not, if Goodridge attended to KO Mike with those Haymakers, which he did, then it wasn't a fluke but a technique of some sort. But he says there isn't a chance of Goodridge doing that again, because it was luck. I said well maybe Goodridge was the better man that night, or Mike didn't take the fight so seriously because Goodridge is a wrestler. You wouldn't come in to a fight against a wrestler to fight k-1 rules, which is your area with the same metallty you would if fighitng a kickboxer, 4 example. Anyways, he says in BJJ there is about 5% luck factor, where in k-1, Muay Thai and Kickboxing there is 20%.
I think that luck does excist in the sports. I see in k-1 luck being something as....someone ran into your punch, or knee, or whatever. And a fluke as you doing something but getting a different result...hopefully a better result then attended. And in BJJ someone running into a Rear Naked CHoke. But I think in both cases it all comes down to who is more careful to not let that lucky punch or whatever come. If an Amature fighter fought Hoost and saw him open somewhere and throw a punch or kick and KO'd him, I'd say he beat him, 'coz he was better that night. I'm not saying he is BETTER and can do it again. But my friend thinks its possible. He thinks he could do it, I donn't, only if Hoost slacks, then my friend was the better fighter that night.

I'd like to hear your opionions on the luck factor of our sport.
It's intresting.

Yea.

montana
27-01-2003, 11:28 PM
For JWP.
If all the odds were that you were going to lose say to Kazushi Sakuraba (hopefully you know who he is) He is a wrestler who fights in MMA, has beaten a lot of strikers. And use are fighitng K-1 rules. So the odds are against him. And you're there and he sees an opening and kicks you, and KO's you. Would you say, he was better that night, or it was a fluke. Even though he wanted to KO you with that kick, which he did. What would you call that? He was a better fighter that night? Better ready metally and physicly? What?
Knowing that he probably can't pull it off again. But would you call that one time luck?

Thanks guys.

Yea.

JWP
28-01-2003, 12:20 AM
Hi Montana,
I would say good luck for him and real bad luck for me. I would take it as my own fault for leaving my guard open so that he could kick me in the first place. If he is skilled enough to get his leg up there and kick you in the head to KO you then all credit to him. He was the better fighter on the night.

JWP