Where was the 8 count Ref

[scott cseszko]

I am disgusted with the decision made at the JNI fight night on 10 November 2006.
I expect a decision like that to be made fighting overseas not here in my own backyard.
When does the 8 count start? When you have knocked your opponnet to the canvas or when your standing in the neutral corner.
Since when does a Ref start the count 1 2 3 are you ok son, help him up wheres 4 5 6 7 8 count in between that crap.
WMC really needs to take favourtitism out of Judging, we are all fighting for one cause so why does this happen.
Jeff Llanes you fought a good fight mate I'm not going to take that away from you but the Judges and the Ref need to freshen up on their rule books.
Also Thanks Lanks for your support be nice to catch up with you at a fight night. Got any boys who want a fight.
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[humble]

Let me get this straight Scott because I'm not sure if I understand you correctly.

First you say:
quote:I am disgusted with the decision made at the JNI fight night on 10 November 2006.

Lets talk about this first.

That is very insulting to hear. In all fairness you fought a tough fight but you lost. You say you are disgusted but then ramble on with other issues which bare no relevance. We'll get to those in a second.

Round one. You lost, plain and simple. Round two you lost, plain and simple. Round three is where the controversy would be. Ok, you scored an 8 count. Good clean calculated shot. No-one is taking anything away from that occurence but up until then Jeff was winning that round. Jeff winning means 10-9 in his favour. You then dropping him could mean a 10-9 in your favour as he was dominating the round. It doesn't automatically become a 10-8. Get that notion out of your head and I have just the solution for that but more on that later too. Last round could of gone either way and it wouldn't have bothered anybody. It was a fairly even round and could of been a draw too. I wasn't judging so who knows.

Now. 10-9 jeff for round one
10-9 jeff for round two
10-9 scott for round three
10-10 (for arguements sake for round four, it could of been 9-9 or whatever it still wont take away from the fact that in the end Jeff is one point ahead. Not hard to compute that.

BUT, you say your disgusted. Hmmm, that must mean you think you dominated completely and clearly. How so? It was clear that Jeff barely had a mark on his body except a couple of shin bruises which were self inflicted by kicking you until you looked like a shirtless St George player! That's right Scott, we all saw the welts all over your body, ribs, back, abs and legs. When Jeff hit you, he HIT you and left his mark as evidence. That cannot be denied and will show up on video quite clearly. You didn't HIT him half as effectively until you landed that clean shot in the third. Credit due there but you're being unfair and hypocritical if you say:

quote:Jeff Llanes you fought a good fight mate I'm not going to take that away from you..... yet call the decision disgraceful.

Then you say:
quote:I expect a decision like that to be made fighting overseas not here in my own backyard.


I suggest you fight some guys in Thailand the way you did and see how you'd also come out with the same result..... losing!

Fact is, even to the admittance of Jason Lapin, you fought a "kickboxing" fight. Jeff met you in the middle of the ring and gave you back what you offered and more! You were the one who was red and white! You were the one who looked like you'd been through a fight, not Jeff. That speaks volumes.

You know what the funny thing is? Jeff wasn't even on game and he still beat you! Jeff fought a much tougher opponent in Flip on the Jabout show and lost but everyone thought it was an excellent performance yet you say: quote: WMC really needs to take favourtitism out of Judging.....

How could this be favourtism if they made him lose that night and that fight was much closer than yours and jeffs.

In anycase, this is an explicit message from the crew at JNI ringside. Tony Favuzi, the head of the WMC will be holding a refereeing and judging course in a week or two and JNI has offered to pay for not only your but Jason Lapins fees to sit and observe the WMC course at his own expense.

You can't get better than that! Thats an opportunity for you and Jason to understand the rules properly once and for all and leave all of us satisfied.

Actually, JNI also made another offer.

Since you are so "disgusted" and apparently dissatisfied, we issue the challenge of a rematch! The only condition is we step it up, 5 rounds, full thai rules, like men of the sport!

JNI is prepared to accept this without blinking, likewise Jeff. Now the ball is in your court and the challenge is to be accepted or rejected by you.

As for this: quote:When does the 8 count start? When you have knocked your opponnet to the canvas or when your standing in the neutral corner.
Since when does a Ref start the count 1 2 3 are you ok son, help him up wheres 4 5 6 7 8 count in between that crap.
You must really have a sharp memory, because that occassion went straight over my head and others heads!

You really must have copped a good beating because Jeff launched straight back up to his own feet. WE screamed at him to take his time and settle. Thats what a responsible corner does when their fighter is knocked down. Your forgetting that it was a flush shot that disturbed his neural system for a split second. GIANTS of the sport have gone down so this is no big deal for Jeff, especially since he got back up on his own two feet by HIMSELF straight away. The count was mostly on his feet!

By the way, you're really clutching at straws by having something against a referee asking " Are you ok?" This is a perfectly normal and responsible act from a referee. Or do you expect a referee to scream "get up ya bum" ??

Now, calm down, use your intellect and not your emotion, talk the challenge over with Jason and your crew and also think over the offer for the refereeing course. JNI is 100% sincere in his offer so if you accept last minute, it's still there for you.

It would be nice also, to wait for the video and also see where you went wrong.

The same thing happened with Tama Tehuna. He dropped Tony Favuzzi first round and thought he'd one the fight based on that.

I'll await your response and hope you take up the challenge.

Regards

JNI team

"Everyone has a plan until they get smacked in the face."

-Mike Tyson

[ChrisQ]

excellent post humble

[fighthard]

Totally agree humble. even with that 8 count there was no chance of him winning that fight, jeff had totally dominated the fight from the word go, scott didnt even get a look in. im afraid it was a case of too little too late...

[Voice]

spot on humble...JNI spoke with me for about an hour last night on this. The notion that a knockdown automatically scores a 10-8 in muay thai rules is simply WRONG. And as you said, even a 10-8 doesn't beat 3 x 10-9.

The other issue not mentioned is the behaviour of certain trainers storming into dressing rooms post-fight while other fighters/trainers are preparing for the next bout. Behaving like spoilt children in such a way will not attract the sort of respect that everyone in this industry claims to be their birthright simply because they fight.

This fight seems to mirror a little the JWP/Foley bout.

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[Zviggy]

I actually asked about knockdown scoring on a few forums and everyone answered differently.

http://www.infinitemma.com/theforum/index.php/topic,6458.0.html
http://forum.kakutougi.info/showthread.php?t=6460
http://www.k-1fans.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28675

So under WMC rules, if a fighter is winning a round and gets knocked down its scored 10-9 to the other fighter?

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[humble]

zviggy, if the fighter who knocks the other down was losing the round and scores that knockdown in the last seconds without adding anything further to it, it cannot flip a 10-9 round which was against him to a 10-8 automatically in his favour.

The other fighters accomplishments earlier on are not overlooked in an instant. That is why the WMC is so fair. It takes into consideration everything! not just the emotion of the round. Jeff was winning the round. Scott got a big punch on the button and roused the crowd up. That doesn't mean diddly! It merely switches the round in his favour, especially since jeff had a good performance otherwise and scott didn't do much else after the knockdown before the bell went.

Had scott dominated the earlier part of the round or scored the knockdown earlier and capitalised more then he would of won that round 10-8. The fact that Jeff launched straight back up to his feet ON HIS OWN also adds to his favour. Had he sat on his ass and been too dizzy to get up to the last second, one may understand how the round could even be scored a 10-8 to scott. But that did not occur.

Knockdowns are not the be all and end all of a fight.

"Everyone has a plan until they get smacked in the face."

-Mike Tyson

[Hitman]

is this the scott that got ko`ed by yousef eskenderi at the vodafone arena?


The bigger they are, the harder they fall.

[jabout]

Hey Scotty I noticed its your first post. You won't win any arguments here.



Edited by - jabout on 15 Nov 2006 08:53:16

[Awesome]

I'm not exactly sure, but what I think Scott is suggesting is that there was some bias on the ref's behalf by helping the fighter up and not just continuing the 8 count. He is implying that because the fighter knocked down is from the organising gym (JNI) then he got undue help from the ref. If this is the case then I would have to agree that there is a problem. The ref should only help a fighter once he has called off the fight.

I was not there and am only interpreting what Scott wrote initially. Can someone who was there (and saw what happened) clear up what actually took place as I think that this will solve this problem?

[Bushi]

Humble has done that Mongo..

Bushi
"Yours in Bushido"

"Go as far as you can see, and when you get there you'll see further"

[Awesome]

Apologies Bushi, Humble has commented. I am however still interested in someone else's opinion. Unfortunately Scott has made an accusation and Humble has responded but both are looking from a biased point of view (I'm not trying to insult either of you but you both have a very real bias in this case).

Does anyone have a copy of the DVD. Maybe they could post this small section on youTube and then the evidence will be there for everyone to see.

[Bushi]

No need to apologise mate..<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Anyway, sounds like it was agreat night overall..

Bushi
"Yours in Bushido"

"Go as far as you can see, and when you get there you'll see further"

[ECKS]

I dont know where anyone has gotten the idea the he got helped up by the ref, I totally missed that part. I couldn't believe how quickly he had gotten up after taking such a good shot.

As soon as we get a copy of the DVD we'll have it ripped and placed on here.

It aint about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward!

Edited by - ecks on 15 Nov 2006 11:15:16

[scott cseszko]

First of all I need to apologise to JNI all who replied to my post.
I was pissed at the decision and a bit shocked.
I did not mean to offend or insult anyone with my comments that I made I was just simply saying how I felt.
Everyone has a right to their own opinion and I was expressing mine.
I read the post by Humble and now understand.
I will speak to my trainer about a rematch with Jeff inwhich I have no problem with.
HITMAN yes I was the one who got into to the ring with Yousef at Vodafone Arena and I had no problem with that, not many would get in and take a fight with such a great fighter and your point is?
Anyway peace everyone

[Voice]

that is a mature and well thought response Scott.
Get back into the ring and sort it all out in a rematch. I'm sure it will draw a big crowd.

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[Hitman]

SCOTT..

WHAT WERE YOU THINKING!!! YOUSEFS A MACHINE!!

The bigger they are, the harder they fall.

[scott cseszko]

Hitman,
I went the to the final round with 30 seconds to go, got a good shin kick to the head and that was enough for me I knew I did not win but I was happy to go that far.
I learnt a good lesson and that was dont believe everything that comes out of Tarik Solak mouth.
I was told it was his first fight but found out after I had fought him that it was his 7th Pro fight and he had over 30 Amuature fights.
I still believe that I did pretty well to make the last round.

Cheers
Kickyboxer

Kickyboxer

[wildaction]

Where is Youseff Eskanderi these days ??? he was an excellent fighter , so well put together and excellent combos from both hands and feet .....last i saw of him was sparring Kara Murat who was getting ready for his re match against Michael Zambidis , and Eskanderi looked awsome ........I would have put him in against Zambo first!! If anyone knows what he is up to , let us know .

wildaction (stuey)

[Bondi Muay Thai]

Just to throw a spanner in the works. I thought Nick Rivera did enough to win but didn't get the decision!

Steve

[dimslim96]

Steve you always do this mate after everyone has made peace you come along and add to the problems. Acouple of posts ago u said that you wont be posting here anymore looks like you didnt keep your word:)<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>

dimslim

[Hitman]

scott you were his first pro fight, or at least first fight in oz, and his had over 50 amature fights, id love to see him against a lot of guys in oz, but his not doing kickboxing no more, i heard he was doing boxing, his got a hrd life, use to work from 6 till 6 and come to training and try and train, last time out he ko`ed a fihter in cairns in like 20 somn seconds.

The bigger they are, the harder they fall.

[Imsta]

Maybe JNI should try WBC sanction? LoL.

Kun Khmer Renaissance

[Bondi Muay Thai]

Does a person with no name and no face really expect a reaction!

[dimslim96]

Is that comment aimed towards me steve?

dimslim

[humble]

Well, Heres the low down guys.

Watched Jeffs fight and I cannot believe what Scott wrote! As we suspected, none of it was true.

Flash knockdown, very flash with a right hand timing perfectly through Jeffs guard. Jeff falls, Elias(ref) sorts Scotty to the neutral corner super fast and goes back to Jeff who was up on his feet within 2 seconds! This is no exageration and the video is available for all to see.

I am really saddened to see someone spin up such lies and try and defame all involved, ie the referee elias who did a tremendous and fair job, the fighter Jeff who won that fight without even thinking and really to his own self.

You really defame yourself when you make such a drama out of something with no proof.

Jeff owned every round. I repeat without exageration OWNED!

As I said, Jeff wasn't even himself and had he been, Scott would of been much worse off. Even so, the colour of Scotts body from the first round was scary! The sound of Jeffs kicks cracking on him was scary! To lay three to four consecutive kicks on you numerous times throughout a fight is to literally own you.

Thats what Jeff did! Even the third round where you scored the knockdown, he was winning it. You scored it in the last 20 seconds and didn't do much else prior to it. That round was not in your favour but most likely a draw especially considering how fast Jeff got up.

My oh my am I upset about this and how one can jump to conclusions so quickly.

Word of advice Scott, don't listen to those amping you up around you but have a calm and civil head. Be patient and wait to see the proof next time before you make such accusations.

It was also very funny to see the theatrics post fight, like as if he had won convincingly without fail..... all because of a little knockdown.

Thank God there are judges!

"Everyone has a plan until they get smacked in the face."

-Mike Tyson

[dekker]

No loosers, every one who steps into the ring is a winner in my book, it takes guts and hard work just to be there regardless of the decision!

[scott cseszko]

Humble

Your Quote

I am really saddened to see someone spin up such lies and try and defame all involved, ie the referee elias who did a tremendous and fair job, the fighter Jeff who won that fight without even thinking and really to his own self.

I already apologised for what I had written and I am not apologising again.

You say I spun LIES and TRYED to DEFAME all involved.
Well that's coming out of your mouth not mine.

Its over and done with. With comments like that you're trying to start another issue.
So here's one from me to you. DONT put words in my mouth.
That's how I felt and I had my opinion, remember IT IS A FREE COUNTRY and a right to FREE SPEACH but on this site it is obviously not.
Also your little cheap shots, keep them to yourself.
Looking forward to the rematch.

Peace everyone




Kickyboxer

Edited by - scott cseszko on 28 Nov 2006 18:46:59

[humble]

quote:I already apologised for what I had written and I am not apologising again.

Yeh, accepted but I can still say whatever I want, especially when you start the thread with a topic title "Where was the 8 count Ref?"

Seriously, do you think you can post away without a response?

Like you said, Free country!

quote:You say I spun LIES and TRYED to DEFAME all involved.
Well that's coming out of your mouth not mine.

Scott, whether you realise it or not, you did do it, indirectly or directly. Maybe you did it out of mind to start with and hence your later apology but you did offend.

You call it "wheres the 8 count ref?"

That is implying the ref has control over which way the fight gets judged. WRONG!

If you meant why didn't the ref give Jeff an 8 count then again you're wrong! As I mentioned, the video is available. You knocked him down. Elias immediately ushers you to the neutral corner which took about 2 seconds. Before Elias turns back around to give the count jeff is on his feet. Elias gives him the standard count as per normal. He at no point said

quote: 1 2 3 are you ok son, help him up wheres 4 5 6 7 8 count in between that crap.



Is that not defaming the ref? Having a go at him? Doubting his skills?

You also mentioned
quote:When does the 8 count start? When you have knocked your opponnet to the canvas or when your standing in the neutral corner

That in my books is clearly having a go at the ref. Or am I blind and didn't read that?

You mention also

quote:I am disgusted with the decision made at the JNI fight night on 10 November 2006.
I expect a decision like that to be made fighting overseas not here in my own backyard.


Seriously, you can't tell me that your "disgust" wasn't aimed at the "decision" makers, ie the judges!

Oh but it gets better, you claim you didn't didn't spin lies and defame anyone?

What's this scotty?

quote:WMC really needs to take favourtitism out of Judging,

You wrote:
quote: Its over and done with. With comments like that you're trying to start another issue.

I'm not scott, but just like you, I have an opinion and speak on behalf of JNI and Jeff in saying we've got every right to rebuke everything you say or claim.

quote: So here's one from me to you. DONT put words in my mouth.

I didn't Scott. The words are above, quoted, written by you. Unless I have access to your log in details I'm pretty sure you wrote those things yeh?

quote:
That's how I felt and I had my opinion, remember IT IS A FREE COUNTRY and a right to FREE SPEACH but on this site it is obviously not

Lets remain consistent with that then but at the same time aim for a little objectivity, honesty and truth. The video is available and as promised we were going to rip it. As soon as we've ripped it, we're going to post it for you and others to see. Alternatively, you can buy it straight away. I believe your an honest enough person to realise during watching it that there was no way you could win that fight on that particular night. You didn't, plain and simple

quote: Also your little cheap shots, keep them to yourself.


Is that what you call it when your backed into a corner and mistakes revealed? You think I'm taking swipes at you or cheap shots?

You took the cheap shots bro. You thought you won, Jason thought you won and Kbgirl who apparently wasn't even there thinks you won against four unbiased judges and a whole crowd and now a recorded video.

Kbgirl gets on the same night and posts in the JNI thread:

quote:
Scotty Cseszko got robbed! He clearly beat Jeff Llanes. Gave him an 8 count in the 3rd round, then Jeff got saved by the bell... apparently Jeff even apologised to Scotty for the decision.

CRAP!

Congratulations Scott anyhow, on a great fight.

WOW! Robbed? CLEARLY BEAT?? SAVED BY THE BELL? JEFF APOLOGISING? When Jeff was asked about this, he said "HUH?" I did apologise for the welts I left on him. Thats how Jeff is, really sweet guy who has no malice towards anyone and actually usually befriends all those he fights afterward. He's all business at the gym and in the ring but outside that has the heart of a little child. Where anyone got that from is beyond me! Obviously, not being there she was told this. By whom I wonder? Or was she there? Which fight was she watching?


quote: Looking forward to the rematch.

So are we. Your and your teams thoughts are that you won? Well, good, you should have no problem fighting full thai 5 rounds! But this is all news to us. Sure we issued the rematch but haven't heard an acceptance call yet. Sounds good on the net but lets seal it ay, I reckon it will be a corker!

Be ready though, I guarantee you be ready.


quote:Peace everyone

And to you Scott, and to you.

"Everyone has a plan until they get smacked in the face."

-Mike Tyson

Edited by - humble on 28 Nov 2006 22:31:11

[hero]

humble

you are a tool

[humble]

yes mr 2 posts alias! everyone knows who I am, who the hell are you, coward?

"Everyone has a plan until they get smacked in the face."

-Mike Tyson

[Cmore_Viking]

Humble I think everyone gets your point, but now it seems as if your making a big deal out of it. Scott has apologised & I think he has learnt his lesson - that's for sure! Yes what he did was wrong but no need to harp on about it... let it go!!! No offence intended to either of you so hope you don't take this wrong way.



Edited by - cmore_viking on 29 Nov 2006 08:52:49

[Alan Wong]

This is interesting. Someone comes on the net and starts shooting off his hip and expect sympathy when others respond to his comments. Buddy you should grow up. If you can't stand the heat then get out of the kitchen. I agree with Humble. It is sad to see people who can't take a loss with dignity. Coming on the net moaning and groaning is not going to get you anywhere. This is a board for discussion and opinions. It seems to me that you (Scott) are using it to have a go at JNI and the WMC. Don't take a swipe at someone and not expect something back,

Lets get this point straight, JNI is not the WMC. He does not appoint judges. The WMC Rep does that. If you are trying to find links then you are looking in the wrong place.

Prove yourself right and take up the challenge of a rematch. Then it will shut everyone up.

[Voice]

you don't post often AW, but when you do, they are GOLD!<img src=icon_smile_blackeye.gif border=0 align=middle>

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[Hooky]

quote:
First of all I need to apologise to JNI all who replied to my post.
I was pissed at the decision and a bit shocked.
I did not mean to offend or insult anyone with my comments that I made I was just simply saying how I felt.
Everyone has a right to their own opinion and I was expressing mine.
I read the post by Humble and now understand.
I will speak to my trainer about a rematch with Jeff inwhich I have no problem with.
HITMAN yes I was the one who got into to the ring with Yousef at Vodafone Arena and I had no problem with that, not many would get in and take a fight with such a great fighter and your point is?
Anyway peace everyone








Isn't this an apology from scott? Shouldn't this topic be done with now?

Drink up. Shoot in!
Let the beatings begin
Distributor of pain, your loss becomes my gain

[GoGo]

Yeah this is sounding more and more like the arguments I have with drunks at the door of my pub at 3am sunday mornings!!! Even though the issues are resolved and there is nothing to argue they keep arguing!!!

Grow up and go and train for your fights stop wasting your life on the net! This place is to promote the fighters and sport not to ***** about everything and anything.

If you dont like someone challenge them, train and fight otherwise p#*s off!

Aaaah, politics wmc, judges, blah blah blah noone cares about wmc wmb wmk wmv wmwhoever its a fight someone wins, someone loses if the loser isnt happy shut up and rematch if you lose again ask to rematch again if you lose again the other guy is obvously better than you retire or move on to other fighters!!!!!!!!

Don't take a knife to a gun fight! So train harder than the next guy

Edited by - gogo on 29 Nov 2006 11:29:12

[humble]

Now it's settled. I'm not going to listen to crap to do with myself, gym, trainer or trainees or others associated who are associated in a dignified manner. I've had my say and I'm pretty sure Scott and all understand.


Now, lets sign the rematch in blood and get this ON!


"Everyone has a plan until they get smacked in the face."

-Mike Tyson

[BMT]

GoGo I know where you coming from but surely less sanctioning bodies more credibility to our sport. And if so we should support those that do more than just take the money.

[GoGo]

Yes BMT i respect what your saying I like Alan Wong as a person even though I havent met him and respect the WMC as being the leader at moment in keeping it real so Im not attacking them or their integrity.

I am also a big fan of JNI as a promoter and person just not anyone on here whingeing, bagging fighters, starting arguments for no gain etc this forum is a valuable marketing and promotional tool not a chance to act up or talk tough etc talking is done in the ring only from my point of view!

Trent

Don't take a knife to a gun fight! So train harder than the next guy

[ECKS]

No one's really acting up or talking tuff on this thread GoGo and I'm pretty sure no one's intentionally trying to start an argument here. Everything the guys have said, they've done so with respect and decency despite their difference in opinions. Anyways Peace to ALL <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

It aint about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward!

[GoGo]

I know Ecks I saw your bro was just defending his gym mates and trainer/promoter but neither he nor Scott gained anything from this I just believe Scott should have not posted in the first place unless he was going to challenge directly for a immediate rematch

Peace guys we got enough war in the ring for all of us!!!

Trent

Don't take a knife to a gun fight! So train harder than the next guy

[humble]

Heres some treats for your eyes.

You will notice as you get to the later pics the "St George Player" welts I was refering to earlier in the thread especially from the 9th picture onwards.

Can't wait for the "re-match".


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"Everyone has a plan until they get smacked in the face."

-Mike Tyson

[DazMon]

Oh yeah humble!!!!!!!!

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[BMT]

The photos dont really prove anything. Jeff won Scott hasnt said anymore on this forum. Let it rest and lets see a rematch.

[awon]

Humble - can you youtube it?

[humble]

I could youtube it if I knew how to rip it to avi or mpeg format without using up almost all of my computer memory.

I have converter program but All i converted was one fight from VTS dvd format to avi format and it ate up 39.5 gig!!!!

Is there a way to rip it without taking up so much memory? If so, let me know and I have the video here waiting.

"Everyone has a plan until they get smacked in the face."

-Mike Tyson