A.Mundine is the champ!

[BIG AL]

I think Mundine is great(and im white!). But id like to see hime fight Paul Briggs!! of drag Ian Jacobs out of retirement to box against him!!!

[SPADA]

Paul Briggs would have far too much power for "the mouth".
How he can side step guys like Green,Briggs,Soliman...ect on his way to a world title shot is not right.Even if he gets some sort of world title....hopefully then 1 these guys will get a shot at him in a defence bout.

[Dowgy]

Spada

Mundine has already fought Soliman and beat him. Some commentators say it was a slightly dodgy decision and some said no it was fair. Bit like the JWP and Zam fight.

[apl]

Spada,
Mundine fought and beat Soliman fair and square, Briggs is a light Heavy weight comcentrating on a world Tile and it now looks like Mundine will be fighting Green. Mundine is not dodging anyone he is now ranked in the top 5 in the WBA ratings, why does Mundine have to keep fighting aussies to prove a point. First its was Ian Mcleod and he beat him and then it was Bagero,Mayo and then Thornberry its bull**** he has done enough in Australia.
The point is Mundine will kill Green and I will outlay big money on that fight, so SPADA pull your head of your arse and get an idea you Fu*king idiot.

APL

[da GhOsT]

green will SMASH mundine.<img src=icon_smile_kisses.gif border=0 align=middle>

[Pete M]

how can mundine call himself the best in the world
if there is a guy who lives half an hour away from each other (danny green). who wants to fight him
mundine wants to be a champ, you have to step up to the plate and prove yourself. he certinly talks the talk
now lets see do it.

danny green 6th round KO



Edited by - Pete M on 23 Jan 2003 21:05:25

[QUPNCY]

apl all those fighters he fought r not as good as the calibre or green and as for the soliman fight well sammy got robbed!!u can tell in the eyes of someone that knows how the decision is going to go and mundine looked as if he was going to lose totally outpointed.

[Roddy]

Mundine has offerred $100 000 to Fenech and Green, but they want more like $250 000. Mundine refuses to pay $250 000.

Stalemate.

[harls]

I'm sure that if Mundine really wanted to fight green, it would happen. I think Mundine is using any excuse he can find to avoid stepping in the ring with Green. The simple fact is if he doesn't fight the best in Australia before taking on the rest of the world, he is simply taking short cuts again. I also agree that soliman was robbed and easily outpointed "the man". My tip is if these guys were to meet in the ring(mundine and green), it would be a nightmare for mundine and a small stepping stone for "the green machine". Green by KO in 3 or less.

[Lucy Tui]

Why doesn't Danny Green fight Soliman I am a fan of both fighters....
Regards
Lucy Tui

[harls]

That would make for a interesting fight Lucy, I like the idea. Though Sam said to me a while ago that Jeff(Fenech) isn't keen on him fighting any of his guys.

[Matt]

I think I read somewhere that Sammy flogged one of Jeffs boys in a recent fight. I like the idea of a Soliman Vs Green match up that would lead to the winner having a shot against Mundine. The winner of that fight I immagine would be within arms reach of a world title.

In my opinion Sammy did enough against Mundine to take the fight. I think Sammys style would confuse Green. Couldnt pick a winner though.

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[Roddy]

Sam's campaigning at middleweight exclusively now. No one wants to fight Sam cos he makes everyone look bad even if they win.

[Koshy]

I think the main problem with Soliman is that he doesn't have enough power to worry most guys so they dont respect him enough in the ring. I know that he is very hard to hit and has alot of close fights but to be a legitimate contender he needs more power.
On the Green/ Mundine fight I sure would like it to happen as a I think both fighters could use the harder opposition for their upcoming careers. I am leaning slighty towards mundine with the speed he has combined with the power could trouble Green. Lets face it Green although extremly talented does get hit and Mundine is someone who does have KO power.

[Koshy]

Just on a side note, it is Mundine who draws the crowds not Green. The question is how much does he really want Mundine if he wont take 100,000 grand. Im pretty sure Thornberry took alot less.

[QUPNCY]

is this fair mundine 1,000,000 green 100,000 ?thats what he wants
after sponsorship $$$ and tv rights thats what mundine will get yet he only offers green 100,000?cant work it out

[apl]

Sam Soliman is F*cked, there is no way he beat Mundine and Mundine will destroy Danny Green. How can you say Green has fought better fighters, no F*cking way he has fought bums like all of Fenechs fighters so they can inflate there records and get a world ranking its a known fact. Look at Nader Hamden he has only ever fought Bankok Cab drivers and is ranked no#2 in the WBC what a load of crap there is no way he could beat the likes of De La Hoya or Vargas.

APL

[paul c]

I have to agree with Koshy,

Love him or hate him, Mundine has done a job like no other Aussie that I can remember to get himself the publicity he does. And taking huge risks to do so. By this I mean how easy it could have gone bad on him with some of the remarks he's made about his own quality, and not huge risks as in 'hi risk fights'.

[mick]

i don't support mundine but i do think that he is a good boxer. The best? No way.
If he is so good why does he side step so msny fighters eg, Briggs, Green, Taylor. There is no question that he is making more money than anybody else. He has fought world champions( that are 5-10 years past it). I think that he will become world champ, but is he a champ? Not untill he beats the best in australia.
MUNDINE IS A FAKE.
Every time the media and public say somthing bad he pulls the poor black fella routine.

[JANER]

Mundine has beaten AUSTRALIAS best, but not the worlds best.

- Mark Bargero
- Sam Soliman (the judges decision is final)
- Ian Mcleaod
- Brad Mayo
- Troy Waters
- Ricky Thornberry

"IF" mundine fights and beats Green it will be a fight for the peoples champ. Other than that it will be another Aussie name to put on mundines list.

Mundine is ONE of Australias best fighters.

Danny Green has fought:

- Indonesian puppets
- A rigged fight against Brad Mayo on the Tszyu card
- Paul Smallman
- Who else has he fought?????

The only thing I found impressive was the fact he retired HEATH STENTON in the first round. Ozkan and Mundine couldnt do it within the distance. However mundines gameplan in melbourne was to look good and show the crowd he can last.

Take a serious look at HOW good mundine looks against AUSSIE fighters and have a look at ALLLLL of Greens fighters.

And mind you Mundine was only losing by 1 round against Otke where it was quite obvious the ref was on otkes side.

My COnclsion: Mundine is not a champ. He hasnt shown no heart and never been in a real slug out.The best in Australia, he is. But he still has a lot to prove if he thinks he is the best in the world. He cant use that title unless he beats a world rated fighter known by many.



Edited by - janer on 28 Jan 2003 11:35:02

[paul c]

Great post Janer.


He's certainly come a long way though.
I don't think anyone can argue that he has developed a lot of skill over the past 18 months.

Good point about Stenton.
He's a tough cookie.

[harls]

Loved your post Mick, you summed up my opinions on Mundine as well! I also agree he is a good boxer and has improved, but the fact remains that you CAN'T be the best in australia if you HAVE NOT fought the best in australia(Green)<img src=icon_smile_8ball.gif border=0 align=middle> Also as a person I have no respect for the ****er, too many stupid comments too often and for me, I'll never forget his remarks about 9/11 on the today show. No amount of back-tracking will make up for that.<img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle>

[Koshy]

I dont hink it was Troy Waters who mundine KOd. Im pretty sure it was Guy waters.

[JANER]

Correction to my post:

-Mundine beat GUY Waters
-Danny Green hasnt fought Jason Delisle.

My opinion of mundines comments about the world dont effect my judgement on his boxing skills.

[harls]

True Janer, Mundine's comments obviously don't reflect his boxing skills. He is a good boxer and he has improved, but he will not be the best boxer in Oz until he proves it. Simple. I put in my previous post my thoughts of him as a person, because it lets everyone know why I would LOVE to see Mundine sprawled out on the canvas again. <img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle>

[Rex Rumble]

well I will be there to watch mundine fight sullivan this weekend in auckland but I personaly think that mundine will kill him.
Rexy

[spoon]

Yes, it was Guy Waters, Not The Glammour with the Hammer - Troy.
Completely different fighters and different weights. Guy was well past his prime, well past.
Troy once said he'd come out of retirement to fight Mundine and I'd be backing Troy boy.
Anff hasn't fought the best in OZ, Soliman and Thornburry are the picks of the bunch, Soliman beat him and Thornburry had broken ribs when they fought and lost his intensity half way through, give Mundine a fit, uninjured Rick and it would be a different result.
Who ever posted that Mundine would maul Green is in Dream land, if I owned a house I'd put it on The Green Machine, for sure. If they ever get it on!
Ending - Mundine is definatly not the champ, more like the goose.

[harls]

Well said Spoon!!! I totally agree. If the ****er fought Rick on another day or rematched Sammy, He would lose. I'd like to see the fight happen with Green though, just to see a public mauling.<img src=icon_smile_blackeye.gif border=0 align=middle>

[newblokes]

I would actually like to see Mundine go to the top and win a World Title in his weight division. BUT - for him to get there and have credibility, I'd prefer see him fight guys in their prime and of his weight division. What I'm saying is the bully fight against Lester, and even his NZ opponent only fought around the Welterweight at his peak.

But it appears his team have done the good work and he is a soon - to - contend for the WBA title. Only snag would be Don King as he is quoted saying that Mundine will have to wait - if he doesn't signs up. But he's up there in the top 10.

A funny fact I thought is that a few of Mundine's opponents have had to move to HIS weight division for a shot.. but never the other way round. Wonder if he would take a challenge at Light - Heavyweight to get to his World Title Goal.

I doubt it..


"what you do is what you deserve"...

[Roddy]

Green should fight Jason Delisle before Mundine. Delisle has put out the challenge to Green, after narrowly beating him as an amateur. All it needs is Fenech to ink it.

Will Green accept the challenge?

[harls]

The same should go for Green, he shouldn't duck any challenges from credible fighters. If Jeff goes around saying his charge is the best in the country, it has to be proven! If the bout went ahead though, I think Green would win.

[JANER]

Who else does Mundine have to fight to deeserve the title of the best Super Middle in Australia?

List them. I have given you a head start:

- Danny Green

Anyone else? I doubt you could name anymore.

Edited by - janer on 30 Jan 2003 14:18:50

[Pieman]

Janer and Paul - It should be noted that Stenton took that fight against Green on a days notice, not saying it would have made any different to the end result but I'm sure Heath could have went a few more rounds if given a month or so to prepare.

Thats one good thing you can say about Mundine at least he gives his opponents plenty of time, upto eight weeks in some cases.

For whats its worth I'd be backing Mundine if a fight with Green eventuates, I believe he has too much hand speed for the Green Machine to deal with. Theres a lot of hurdles to overcome for the fight to happen with money and ego being the main problems.

Paul Briggs -&gt; Number One!
"A Champion is someone who gets up when he can't". Jack Demsey.

[Pieman]

Janer - Pierre Karam, Shannon Taylor and Jason De Lisle are the only other worthy oppoenents here at Super-Middleweight for Mundine to fight, otherwise I'd be looking at bringing in a quality overseas opponent.

Paul Briggs -&gt; Number One!
"A Champion is someone who gets up when he can't". Jack Demsey.

[harls]

I think he should also rematch Soliman. Many people including myself believe that Sam did more than enough to win and so did the crowd(booing,cursing and throwing objects into the ring).

[Axekick157]

How much does Mundine have to prove, now that is the question?

Once he does fight Danny Green and lets say he wins for argument sake, I'm sure someone else will then pop out of the wood works staying that he is the best and Mundine is just a bum or that Danny Green had a runny nose on the day and he deserves a re-match etc.

I believe Mundine to be the best fighter in Australia in his weight division but that is just my opinion. Until he does go up against Green the public are just going to bad him for dodging the fight.