PRIDE vs UFC

[east]

Out of Pride and UFC which do you think has the better fights and or fighters?? I watched some DVD's on the weekend and it seems that pride may be a little more intense. What do you guys think?

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[adrian]

I like Pride better because you see Asians actually winning sometimes.

Growing up in the country we only had the old UFC's available and I got sick of seeing the Asian fighters lose all the time.

[Zviggy]

Pride has the better fighters by far IMO. I think UFC slightly better market their fighters. Although the reality show has brought in alot of new audience for the ufc and more $$$, i think for the diehard fans we are seeing less attractive overall cards because they are using these TUF fighters alot.

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[aramz]

Pride is alot better and has better quality fighters. Wanderlei Silva, crocop, mintauro, rampage - they would all destroy in the ufc. Pride fighters get paid alot more aswell and its massive in Japan. The japanese priminister even reffered to croatia as crocop land when they played them in soccer.

The more you sweat now the less you bleed later

[Hironaka]

Shooto

[Hooky]

I like both pride and ufc. Both have there individual appealing merits but Pride definatley has the better fighters at the moment, it has been established as the Best MMA competition for a lot longer than UFC. UFC has only really been making waves since TUF season which has opened up a whole new fan base. In time i'd imagine UFC will be more competetive, with new fighters striving for their piece of the action which should, in theory, make more talented fighters.

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[adrian]

Soccer kicks and stomps to downed people make for good viewing. Elbows on the ground don't really compare.

[Zviggy]

Hironaka is correct. Shooto kicks ass.

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[east]

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Soccer kicks and stomps to downed people make for good viewing. Elbows on the ground don't really compare.


What are the major rule differences? In UFC there are heaps of elbows

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[samuaythai]

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[adrian]

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Soccer kicks and stomps to downed people make for good viewing. Elbows on the ground don't really compare.


What are the major rule differences? In UFC there are heaps of elbows

Every man lives and dies, but not every man that dies has really lived


In Pride you can kick and knee an opponent on the ground. Eg. Wanderlei Silva's stomping on Kondo or soccer kicking Fujita. But in Pride no elbows are allowed period.

In UFC elbows are allowed standing or on the ground but no kicks to opponents on the ground.

[Hironaka]

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But in Pride no elbows are allowed period.


Something interesting to note is that prior to Final Conflict 2003, the general consesus was that no elbows were allowed. However, after Rampage relentlessly elbowed the crap out of Liddell's body in their Semi-Final bout and was never called for it, more and more people are elbowing the body and getting away with it. As far as I know, Pride have never announced a rule change allowing this.

An interesting phenomenon ...

[supermario]

Does anybody know if there is an organisation that allows the best of both worlds; elbows and knees to a downed opponent as well as stomps and soccer kicks?? I prefer Pride to UFC, but they should really allow the use of elbows.

[jackafrica]

pitfighting wins

[trase]

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Does anybody know if there is an organisation that allows the best of both worlds; elbows and knees to a downed opponent as well as stomps and soccer kicks?? I prefer Pride to UFC, but they should really allow the use of elbows.




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[Adambjjoz]

Actually, elbows are not allowed in Pride OR the UFC.

You'll get deducted points and then disqualified if you strike with the point of the elbow in either competition. Both organisations get around this though, by allowing "Fore-arm" strikes, instead. Which is the exact same thing as an elbow strike, but you just cant motion an elbow strike at your opponent from above them.

"Fore-arm" strikes like this are OK: http://www.prokick.com/archive/kbm3/graphics/results/billy_elbow_strike.jpg

Downward "Elbow" strikes like this are not ok: http://images.google.com/url?q=http://www.mastersken.com/acatalog/downward_elbow.jpg&sig=__0namVK8yPsjTABkdceEL9sRpC6s=


It sounds completely retarded, and it is. Big John McCarthy warned one of the UFC fighters about it just 2 UFC's ago & A.Overeem and W.Silva have both been warned about doing it in Pride. Listen to the UFC commentary and you'll laugh your ass off as Golberg blabbers on and on about "Vicious forearms" from Tito Ortiz, as he rails the **** out of his opponents with massive elbows from the guard-top & mount positions.


As for who's the better event........... well, there's not even any contest between them. Pride has the better fighters, better fight's, better organisation, shows more fight's per PPV and in a lesser amount of time, they have better commentators, better DVD's, better recruitment of fighters from all over the world & they even have by far the better referee's and a better scoring system.

Having said all that though, Shooto and ZST in Japan are more entertaining MMA event's to watch than either the UFC or PrideFC. For that matter, "It's Showtime" from Holland is even better than all those i just mentioned, as it has K-1, MMA & MuayThai superfight's on all it's promotions, along with about 16+ fight's inside a 4-hour pay-per-view. Watching guys from Golden Glory, Russian Top Team & Red Devil Fight Club hammer it out over MMA, MuayThai & K-1 fight's is truly a sight to behold - not to mention K-1 fighters like Hoost/Leko/Aerts/Schilt etc... all fighting on the same card.

[Hooky]

Adambjjoz, where do we get some of the "it's Showtime" events on DVD?

Drink up. Shoot in!
Let the beatings begin
Distributor of pain, your loss becomes my gain

[east]

UFC is easily available in all video shops, but to get hold of some Pride do i have to buy online or something??

Watched another UFC on weekend and saw 'Elvis Sinosec' get reaaly worked with elbows i felt sorry for him, but he showed some massive balls to keep fighting

Every man lives and dies, but not every man that dies has really lived

[adrian]

Check out the soccer kicks at 1:30 into the vid.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oDkxmMhwHk4

[east]

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Check out the soccer kicks at 1:30 into the vid.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oDkxmMhwHk4

Man that was awesome, pride seems more intense and frantic and agressive. UFC they get into the same position on the ground every time and then thats it

Every man lives and dies, but not every man that dies has really lived

[adrian]

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UFC is easily available in all video shops, but to get hold of some Pride do i have to buy online or something??

Watched another UFC on weekend and saw 'Elvis Sinosec' get reaaly worked with elbows i felt sorry for him, but he showed some massive balls to keep fighting

Every man lives and dies, but not every man that dies has really lived



You can watch all major pride events for free by registering (free, just need email) for the forum at k-1fans.com

[Adambjjoz]

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Adambjjoz, where do we get some of the "it's Showtime" events on DVD?

Hi Mate,

You can buy the official DVD's from Nikko SportsVideo website. They are fairly expensive to buy, but they have some excellent deals if you want to buy a heap of events at the one time. Their DVD's are all official DVD's & include ALL fight's from ALL event's.

All DVD's:
https://www.nikko-sportsvideo.com/shop/shopdisplaycategories.asp

"It's Showtime" MMA event DVD's: https://www.nikko-sportsvideo.com/shop/shopdisplayproducts.asp?page=4


It's Showtime have some fantastic mixed events.

IS 11 featured:
MMA - Melvin Manhoef vs Rodney Faverus
MuayThai - Panjunsuk vs Joeri Mes
K1 - Alexy Ignashov vs Semmy Schilt
Boxing - Deb Fettkether vs Lucia Rijker

IS 10 featured:
MuayThai - Leonard Sitpholek vs Ryan Simson
K1 - Badr Hari vs Azziz Katthou
MMA - Cheik Kongo vs Gilbert Yvel

IS 9 featured:

MuayThai - Badr Hari vs Alexey Ignashov
K1 Max - Joerie Mes vs Perry Ubeda
MMA - Igor Vovchanchyn vs Dirty Bob Schreiber

IS 4 featured:
MuayThai - Remy Bonjaski vs Peter Varga
MMA - Valentijn Overeem vs Jerrol Venetiaan, Allistair Overeem vs Peter Verschuren, Ian Freeman vs Dirty Bob Schrijber
K1 Max - El Amrani vs Perry Ubeda
K1 - Alexey Ignasov vs Lloyd van Dams

IS 3 featured:
MMA - Semmy Schilt vs Bob Schrijber, Brian Lo A-njoe vs Ronny Post
MuayThai - Jerrol Venetiaan vs Remmy Bonjaski, Ryan Simson vs Ivan Hippolyte


If you like those sorts of events, "Too Hot Too Handle" is also another crackerjack promotion from Holland, but it's almost 100% MMA fighting.