OZKAN vs SNIPER Histroy repeats itself (Result) [Archive]

allanf

16-09-2006, 07:09 AM

All i could say is History has repeated itself.

In the Last seconds of the 2nd round Gurkan Ozkan received an accidental headbutt from Sniper which opened up a cut to his head again, Gurkan was furious and i really feel sorry for him that it ended like this. Doctor Peter Lewis said the fight cant continue on but Gurkan Ozkan was winning on everyones cards and looked set to punish Sniper in the final round. The fight was Won by Gurkan Ozkan.

Sniper was furious so was Ozkan they both spoke after in the ring, Gurkan stated in Turkish, It felt like i was back where it all started 2 years ago i was really dissapointed it ended like this and im not accepting this fight as a win as there is unfinished buisness to do. Both fighters want to finish it off in a 3rd fight between the two.

It just shows Gurkan has alot of heart and is not accepting on his behalf that he won the fight in unfair circumstances but Sniper accepts his when Gurkan received a cut in there first bout and was over the moon. Now thats the difference and i respect Gurkan so much for that, mate your a champion, Gurkan looked very good and i wish the fight continued because i belived you would of unleashed in the 3rd and knocked him out!!!

And if you guys are going to have a cry about the result have a cry to the Judges Doctor Peter Lewis and Lucy Tui. Gurkan was winning fair and sqaure!!!

natho

16-09-2006, 07:35 AM

Well its a bit sad that this fight finished in the way it did not much you can do hiope sniper gets another crack!!!!!

cheers natho

Studly Jords

16-09-2006, 07:42 AM

The first fight Ozkan gets cut by a shin to the head
Second fight he gets cut by accidental head clash
Not the same!
Snipers win was a TKO
Ozkans win was luck

remember sniper dropped his last opponent twice in the last round. Maybe its lucky that the fight was stopped early or he might have done the same to Ozkan

sniper

16-09-2006, 08:16 AM

i am telling u all solemnly the judges were pathetýc tonight. maurýce smith had me winning with leg kicks. allan u r delluded if u thought otherwise. the other two judges were from ozkans camp and of course had him ahead. we were on the up and were looking fwd to the next round as he was well tired and we were ready to up the anti. all i can say is we are very disappointed his doctor was the judge. i will show u all the photos and u will c for urself.
anyway holiday time for me. i will be back for a third encounter with him real soon.

Bushi

16-09-2006, 10:13 AM

A win is a win....

Well done Snip, now go party hard..<img src=icon_smile_kisses.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Bushi
"Yours in Bushido"

"Go as far as you can see, and when you get there you'll see further"

doc

16-09-2006, 12:06 PM

Bad luck sniper. Too bad the dr was not like the one at explosion. LOL . tell lucy tui i said HI.

allanf

16-09-2006, 12:33 PM

HAHAHA you have to be joking me mate if you think you were winning the fight, get a grip son and accept the result, Gurkan did not accept the win unlike yourself who would of been over the moon and showed off your Haka, that was not a win for Gurkan and i was dissapointed it diddnt continue in the 3rd because Gurkan did not unleash he was waiting for it.

If you watch the fight do a count check your self clearly Gurkans punches landed your face a few times, what did you do??? You dropped your guard in the 2nd round and slowly i could see Gurkan taking control and would have exploded with a barrage of punches in the 3rd, who you kidding mate???

And to my knowledge Peter Lewis awarded you the points, Lucy Tui saw Gurkan infront!!! We all knew Gurkan was infront, accept it.

Matt J

16-09-2006, 12:33 PM

allan, you're a ****!ng idiot, no two ways about it. chris beat gurkan with a legitmate kick to the head which opened a cut. you know, a legal technique. if gurkan did indeed get the "win" then only a retard can see that this was the bs result. since when does a headbutt result in a win? it should have been a no contest, meaning no victor since the fight can't continue due to an accidental foul.
the first fight was as clear cut and legitimate as you can get, busting someone open with a legal technique is NOT the same as busting them open with a foul. learn the ****!ng rules.

and anyway chris, im not surprised to see two of his mates were judging the fight and had you losing despite the fact you were winning. the word i got from someone there was that they thought you were winning the fight too, but let me tell you this, if it went the distance you weren't going to get the decision, end of discussion. the fight would have ended exactly as i predcited, you betaing him up but gurkan getting the decision.
if theres going to be a third fight in turkey, expect the same.

Edited by - Matt J on 16 Sep 2006 12:19:14

Matt J

16-09-2006, 12:36 PM

whats the deal with the result, im hearing two different things? people have told me its a no contest, others have told me they are flogging it off as a "win" to gurkan?

Bushi

16-09-2006, 12:43 PM

What is the OFFICIAL result..

Bushi
"Yours in Bushido"

"Go as far as you can see, and when you get there you'll see further"

allanf

16-09-2006, 01:04 PM

Judge Maurcice Smith scores 20,19 - Chris Johnson

Judge Cengiz Pan scores 20,19 - Gurkan Ozkan

Judge Peter Lewis scores 20,19 - Gurkan Ozkan

Gurkan was awarded the Win due to him being infront, now he received the cut and did continue on to finish the 2nd round. But Doctor Peter Lewis stopped the fight.

and to let you know Gurkan Ozkans corner was Kader Marouf as i stated Sniper, there like brothers mate.

Alot of debate is also going on and stating that Chris Johnson Headbutt was delebrate, but it diddnt look that way. If you guys watch the fight over again Gurkan was infront and won the second round easily. Its just sad for Gurkan Ozkan again that it ended like this

allanf

16-09-2006, 01:07 PM

Chris Johnson new he was loosing when Tarik Solak announced that it will go to the cards, the look on Chris's face said it all you can see him saying thats Bull**** fcukoff, you know you were loosing mate orelse you would of been confident of the victory after two rounds.

But hey Gurkan did not accept the win as a true sport and there will be a 3rd.

Kiwi Sting

16-09-2006, 01:12 PM

Sniper, I have not seen the fight mate but feel for you bro. Think of it as a win. If the Doc stopped the fight cos Gurkan was hurt then consider it simply as you stopped Gurkan. Consider it a KO bro.

Now, one thing in the inital post by allanf, it said the fight was stopped in the last seconds of the second round right? If thats the case did the Doc not have a watch, did he not consider the end of the round and what the corner can do to stop bleeding. That cut must have been the really friggin one. Either that or Gurkan didnt have a corner.

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cena

16-09-2006, 01:24 PM

Watched the fight with a few boys at a friends place last night and have to say i really do feel for Gurkan. Accidental Headbutt or not the gash was pretty bad as there was too much blood comming out.

Gurkan your a legend mate to sit there and say i did not win this fight theres unfinshed buisness shows everyone that your a fighter a truesport. As for the fight itself it was very close but we all had Gurkan infront, I couldnt give Chris any points as he did not rattle or hit Gurkan, all i saw was just a few kicks that landed but Gurkan had the edge with more Punches landed and he did also land a few kicks himself.

Next Time Gurkan we feel for you and im sure you would of exploded in the 3rd round as i predicted but it was not meant to be.

ECKS

16-09-2006, 01:51 PM

quote:Chris Johnson new he was loosing when Tarik Solak announced that it will go to the cards, the look on Chris's face said it all you can see him saying thats Bull**** fcukoff, you know you were loosing mate orelse you would of been confident of the victory after two rounds.

You obviously haven't been reading anyones posts on this thread. Chris knew regardless if he was infront or not, he wasn't winning this fight on the scorecards. Hence the look of disbelief on his face when announced it was to be determined by the judges.

It aint about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward!

Rob McIntyre

16-09-2006, 01:52 PM

what the hell is the doctor doing being a judge anyway, sounds very suspicious to me.

AlanF, who do you thing knows more about the sport of kickboxing to judge it: Mo Smith or Dr Peter Lewis?

Rob McIntyre - Gladstone
"in your training do not forget the spirit or the humility of a beginner"

allanf

16-09-2006, 02:03 PM

I couldnt care less mate, at the end they did not mistaken the winner buddy because Gurkan was infront. And Sniper was in disbelief because he had known he was loosing.

shaunw

16-09-2006, 02:05 PM

i've got nothing to add except allanf you suck balls!!!!

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Edited by - shaunw on 16 Sep 2006 13:05:34

allanf

16-09-2006, 02:10 PM

awww whats wrong Shauny you upset???

Hot Sizzle

16-09-2006, 02:13 PM

quote:Chris Johnson new he was loosing when Tarik Solak announced that it will go to the cards, the look on Chris's face said it all you can see him saying thats Bull**** fcukoff, you know you were loosing mate orelse you would of been confident of the victory after two rounds.

How can you tell Sniper thought he was losing from what he said? I dont think anybody on the planet would be happy with a fight to be stopped and go to the cards whether they are winning or not.

Is there any other results? Did Farid Villaume fight?

It's better to have a gun & not need it, than to need a gun and not have it.

Ron Burgandy

16-09-2006, 02:16 PM

Ron here....Can u be banned from this forum for being a idiot?? If so I truly think AllanF needs to be the worlds first!!

Pull ur head in mate, Snip was in there fighting the guy, u are a 1 eyed ozkan supporter, who do u think the general public(including this forum) will believe?? U or Sniper?? hmmmmmm

Im Ron Burgandy, go f*@k yourself San Diego

allanf

16-09-2006, 02:22 PM

Watch for yourself mate then decide, Gurkan won simple!!! come again

Ask Tarik Solak he was doing the commentating and he had Gurkan up aswell, the judges and the crowd also thought the same, so dont give me that bullcrap, Sniper can think if he wants that he was winning but that just shows what a sore loser he can be if he thought he was winning, because simply Gurkan was infront end of story!!!

Hot Sizzle

16-09-2006, 02:26 PM

quote:Ask Tarik Solak he was doing the commentating and he had Gurkan up aswell

Hahaha i wonder why that is???

It's better to have a gun & not need it, than to need a gun and not have it.

allanf

16-09-2006, 02:29 PM

As for the other fights i cant exactly remember..

Can Yikilmaz (turkey) knocked out this Greek, not too sure if that was his name but he was the runner-up to Tyrong Spong in last years heats

Nikolay of Ukraine got knocked out 1st 10 seconds with a stunning punch to this strong Dark guy from France

Cunsulo of Italy defeated Valon of Albania

Limonta of Cuba defeated Saban of the Carribean

Barakat of Syria defeated Ozden of Turkey

Tonight its the rest of the heat number 2 from Kaya Pelek Hotel, we will see few superfights as well as Jenk Behic making his debut in the Tournament, Baris Nezif, Prince Amir, Limonta of Cuba will be in a Superfight against Barakat both were successful last night.

Next week all the winnners will be fighting against each other in the Capital Ankara, the home of were Gurkan Ozkan was born and he will have huge support down there when he fights next week, all the best to all the fighters!!!

imported_n/a

16-09-2006, 02:30 PM

quote:1 eyed supporter

Damn 1 eyed supporters.....glad im not like that...hehe

Russ
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Hot Sizzle

16-09-2006, 02:32 PM

Strong dark guy from france...would that be Farid?

It's better to have a gun & not need it, than to need a gun and not have it.

Hitman

16-09-2006, 02:33 PM

Sniper dont go around sayying u were in front, coz u wernt, gurkan was chasing u around and unleashing big punches, from whare i was sitting u looked helpless, and if the third went on he would of cleaned you up, NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT!!.

Rob McIntyre

16-09-2006, 02:34 PM

quote: Watch for yourself mate then decide,

ok, where can we watch it?

Rob McIntyre - Gladstone
"in your training do not forget the spirit or the humility of a beginner"

wheels

16-09-2006, 03:41 PM

JINGA'S YOU FELLAS & FALLESER'S LUCY TELLS
ME THE COMING THIRD ROUND WAS GOING TO BE
THE TELLING ROUND.GIVE IT TIME FELLAS,THEIR
NEXT FIGHT WILL SORT IT.

Ghodrat

16-09-2006, 04:25 PM

quote:
Strong dark guy from france...would that be Farid?

Probably Moussa Konate.

Rob McIntyre

16-09-2006, 04:27 PM

come on Al, I wanna watch it so I can make up my own mind. Where can I watch the fight?

Rob McIntyre - Gladstone
"in your training do not forget the spirit or the humility of a beginner"

allanf

16-09-2006, 07:34 PM

Get a copy off someone, Sniper might help you out.

yes Moussa Konate the guy is a machine!!!

Rob McIntyre

16-09-2006, 07:40 PM

thanks for the help, tool.

Rob McIntyre - Gladstone
"in your training do not forget the spirit or the humility of a beginner"

sniper

16-09-2006, 07:58 PM

i am not here to debate the issue now. the fight is over and the party is just beginning hehehehe. we will take it on the chin and come back next time and finish the job properly. off to party again now anyway.
ps. voice u would love it here mate hehehehehehe

johnny_619

16-09-2006, 10:00 PM

Fair is fair???? Next fight in Auckland?

Okay, Maurice Smith, the best of all time says Sniper is up on the cards, why would we listen to anyone else's opinion on the fight?

Now, im no expert on the sport, but I know what a TKO is and I know when a fight is called a no contest. Sniper won by technicality and skill last time, 100% of the time in any type of kickboxing thats a win. Gurkan was simply handed this to make everyone happy and stop everyone from jumping in the ring again.

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DazMon

16-09-2006, 10:12 PM

I just can't understand how the doctor can be one of the judges as well? They are meant to be 2 totally separate roles. And I have never heard Dr Lewis speak in favour of Gurkan, maybe I am out of line here but I am just trying to neutralise this decision a bit, I can't see Dr Lewis being biased towards any fighter. Sorry. Those scores are close and all 3 judges plus the 2 fighters are relying on the third round to decide the fight, that fight shouldn't have been given a decision, no contest sounds the best way to go in everyone's interests. Hindsight brings 20/20 vision. Snip will get another chance...

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atlas4th

17-09-2006, 12:54 AM

who is this allan f? some old school deluded fan? ive been involved in the sport for over 15 years both training fighters and refereing etc.Being in tassie i travel to watch most of the big shows and mostly spectate these days due to work commitments,Ozkan was a force in the 90's and still would have his moments now but gee how one eyed is this guy.Oh and tarik last show a few of us booked and paid airfares for that never happened with zambidies vs parr and now we hear wispers of a tarik solak show in melb before xmas.But OH no advertising yet and we are only a few months out ,yea right.Was ALLAN F the guy in someones club that everyone used to beat the **** out of before the internet hit the scene?

Hitman

17-09-2006, 01:57 PM

you guys make me sick.. GURKAN BRAT HIM FAIR N SQUARE, he had it over chris the whole time.

The bigger they are, the harder they fall.

tdrury

17-09-2006, 02:47 PM

Yes it would be good for everyone to watch and make their own mines up.

However from what I keep hearing, is that Ozkan kept unleashing big punches, however Sniper was doing great kicks in defence.....MMM

So is this a boxing fight or Kickboxing Fight, and the kicks should be out weighing the punches????

Ozkan's next fight will be in his home town where he was born???? He was always going to be fighting there then.

As said earlier, be good for all to watch and make real judgement.

Well done regardless Sniper, you Won fair and square last time, so yes a decider will be the third fight.. Bring that on!!!!!

"He who believes can and will achieve"

benno

17-09-2006, 04:22 PM

quote:
GURKAN BRAT HIM FAIR N SQUARE

'Brat' describes Gurkan pretty well.

Hitman

17-09-2006, 09:27 PM

Lmao a lot of people dont like gurkan ozkan coz he was just tooo good. right now his at the worst stage of his career, BUT HIS STILL KNOCKEN THEM OUT!! loll GURKAN OZKAN 4 EVERRR!!

The bigger they are, the harder they fall.

Downcut

18-09-2006, 10:40 AM

quote:
thanks for the help, tool.

Hahaha he's a tool alright.

Mojoman

18-09-2006, 10:51 AM

quote:
quote:Ask Tarik Solak he was doing the commentating and he had Gurkan up aswell
Hahaha i wonder why that is???

I was about to say the same thing. I'll have a look around online to see if it's posted anywhere before I comment about the fight.
Bad luck Sniper, look forward to number 3.

"If you change the way you look at things..what you look at changes"

FBI

18-09-2006, 11:17 AM

quote:
Get a copy off someone, Sniper might help you out.

yes Moussa Konate the guy is a machine!!!

Come on now guys, can't we all just get along????

This is a heated thread...... Lets wait for fight #3...

"Today is a good day to die.."

Hironaka

18-09-2006, 01:11 PM

Seriously, what would Maurice Smith know?

Hot Sizzle

18-09-2006, 01:24 PM

O.K sorta off topic but did Farid Villaume fight or not? Havn't seen his name or a result anywhere.

It's better to have a gun & not need it, than to need a gun and not have it.

allanf

18-09-2006, 02:52 PM

Farid had his fight on the 1st show last week and knocked his opponent out 1st round.

The Rhino

18-09-2006, 04:31 PM

How many rounds was the fight??
I always thought that a decision cannot be made unless a fight has exceeded at leaset a third of the entire bout.

If this fight went not even to the full extent of the 2nd round...it must have been a 6 rounder??

If this is not the case then shouldn't it have just been a 'no contest'???

Bushi

18-09-2006, 04:54 PM

True Rhino, but it was a Solak promotion...<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>, doc's judging etc..

All adds to the hype for the 3rd installment..

Bushi
"Yours in Bushido"

"Go as far as you can see, and when you get there you'll see further"

The Rhino

18-09-2006, 05:32 PM

yeah - HYPE of a 3rd Installment...it has me riveted to hear about corruption instead of watching a good hard fight!!

Oh well - better over there than still here. Amazing how the crap can continue and people still buy into it.

Voice

18-09-2006, 10:51 PM

Turkey and Tarik gets more like the WWE by the day.
Wonder if Aunty Lucy was sitting ringside also?

Regarding the Doc being a judge. Presumably a judge concentrates 100% on effectiveness of technique and the Doc concentrates on the welfare and injuries of the two fighters.

How does one manage to separate such attention and deliver an effective performance on either?

It's so ludicrous and commonplace on Tarik shows (especially in Turkey) that one shakes their head, moves off quietly and wonders how some people live with themselves.

Weren't we all warned that time many years ago when Tarik jumps into the ring to declare Gerk's the winner in that ridiculous display of unsportsmanship by Ozkan.

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sniper

19-09-2006, 05:14 AM

yes having peter lewis there was a joke and i will tell him to his face. some of the decisions he made on the nights were nothing short of diabolicle.
however, how tarik has built us up over there is amazing. seriously u have to be over here to believe how popular the fighters are here because of him and i am truly thankful for that in spite of the decision made in the fight. of course we will go again and of course the ratings will go through the roof again and hopefully we can all leave better off in the wallet like this time again. it is the fans that make this result in the fight not even a concern for me because everyone here has shared the opinions of the debacle to me and i am not letting it get to me or my team at all. we are still alive in the tournament so that is a priority for us.

Voice

19-09-2006, 09:47 AM

fair enough Snip, no one ever doubts the showmanship of Tarik and the benefit this passes on for the fighters but it is a professional sport and is meant to be judged fairly and independently of the promoter or crowd's opinion/biases. Once the integrity goes out of judging it may as well be the WWE.

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Edited by - voice on 19 Sep 2006 08:47:53

doc

19-09-2006, 12:51 PM

sniper the turk commentators were calling you KING KONG and kept saying your head butt was deliberate. The bias they showed ozkan during commentary made me laugh. ONLY in turkey but!

allanf

19-09-2006, 07:27 PM

No it was not deliberate but everyone questioned it because they clashed heads and thats how he got cut.

sniper

19-09-2006, 07:38 PM

yeah doc everyone nicknamed me king kong because of the haka. it was shown a lot on tv over this way so people took note of it. of course the bloody headbutt was not deliberate. i was simple about to weave under a swing from ozkan and because he throws his head fwd as well as we all know he does, the clash was inevitable. along with a lot of people at the venue, we believe the result was made based on tv ratings. u see now everyone wants to see a 3rd fight which ultimately means more money, ratings and popularity. its a win win situation for most, except for my fight record hehehehehe. it honestly does not bother me though!
the head clash he took was incredibly deep. even deeper than the kick i cut him with last time. apparently he skull was showing and all. i have pics on my phone and the professional ones on disc here in england so if someone can show me how to put them up then i will do so a.s.a.p

Hitman

19-09-2006, 07:46 PM

Sniper the head clash was your fault, even if you didnt mean it, it was still your fault, so dont blaming your **** on Ozkan.

The bigger they are, the harder they fall.

aramz

19-09-2006, 08:00 PM

Why dus every1 on this thread get there panties in a bunch bout everythin n strt runnin there mouth from there keyboard. Sniper didn't blame his **** on Ozkan for the head clash he was explaining how it came about since he didn't charge in with the intention of headbutting him. It would have been snipers fault but dont get so defensive over your all time bestest buddy forever Ozkan and strt accusing Sniper of talkin **** bout him. Sniper dusnt talk **** n has been comin on this forum tellin us all bout the A1 tourney n how crazy it is over there while ur just comin on here throwin out 1 liners n makin yourself look big infront of a monitor.

The more you sweat now the less you bleed later

allanf

19-09-2006, 08:21 PM

People like to talk crap thats why we speak OUT!!!

ONLY in turkey but!
because he throws his head fwd as well as we all know he does

Thats why we comment back with negative feedback you guys spit it out, just watch what your saying.

Gurkan received about 30 stiches from reports but is fine to fight this week, thats 3 fights in 3 weeks for a 38 year old Champion!!! Good Luck Gurkan SMASH EM!!!

supermario

19-09-2006, 10:17 PM

Chris 'King Kong' Johnson...???

Mate, if you use that moniker in America, you'll do very well with ladies, hehe.

Rob McIntyre

19-09-2006, 11:20 PM

sniper throws his head forward??????

gurkan leans so far forward to throw his haymakers it looks like he is trying give the other fighter a blowy!

Tell us where we can watch the fight so we can make up our own minds you tool.

Rob McIntyre - Gladstone
"in your training do not forget the spirit or the humility of a beginner"

Rob McIntyre

19-09-2006, 11:31 PM

and just for the record, I am not really anti-gurkan ozkan and I am not a huge fan of the Sniper (although I have huge respect for his conduct in the ring and on this forum). I just can't stand the crap that comes out of your fingers.

I know why you won't let us watch the fight by telling us where it is. Because you know Sniper was winning. If this is not the case, then tell us how we can see it on the net to prove you are right.

Rob McIntyre - Gladstone
"in your training do not forget the spirit or the humility of a beginner"

allanf

20-09-2006, 05:31 AM

How the Fcuk would i know Rob where to get a copy, if you are kickboxing brainless Gurkan was winning the fight simple, now go and have a cry to your sister!!!

allanf

20-09-2006, 05:33 AM

And for the record, you need a life. I cant stand the crap that comes out of your mouth you might as well go suck off your mother because i know she will take your crap because shes your own fresh of blood.

wheels

20-09-2006, 08:22 AM

eazy mr af.We dont wont to be talking
about people's MUM'S on hea mite.
The subject is kickboxing guv &&.
And i think Mr Gurkan was & still is
a great WARRIOR, but as all things
there must be progress. And i reackon
Mr SNIPER Johnson has the WARRIOR goods
eEazy GUVNA:)

Matt J

20-09-2006, 12:07 PM

quote:
...she will take your crap because shes your own fresh of blood.

there is nothing funnier than an idiot trying to insult someone when they dont even relise how stupid they sound. our angry little turkish friend here has it down to a science, but "your own fresh of blood"? oh dear. apart from the fact you mean 'flesh and blood' allan, i think you better stop because broadmeadows secondary college gets a worse rep every time you post. lol!

Rob McIntyre

20-09-2006, 01:00 PM

quote: i think you better stop because broadmeadows secondary college gets a worse rep every time you post

LOL!!!!

Rob McIntyre - Gladstone
"in your training do not forget the spirit or the humility of a beginner"

The Rhino

20-09-2006, 02:11 PM

what's the matter with Broadie??!!! hahaha...I was from around that area.

Let's just hope that down the track the two boys can have another go - have 7 to 9 judges (preferrably one not being the doctor, cornermen could be an exception)...maybe have 2 refs in the ring and an enforcer on the outside.

Or just make them wear head gear next time!!!

Kano

20-09-2006, 02:31 PM

Just don't get Tarik to promote it....

doc

20-09-2006, 02:50 PM

I love ozkan; I love sniper. But the commentators were coming up with some crap on sniper! I realise how passionate turks are being one myself. I just think its funny how it clouded the commentators judgement and influenced his comments.

allanf

20-09-2006, 07:33 PM

Gurkan Ozkan On His Critis... To the Bogans who hate a True Champion

"When you're on top everyone wants to be your best friend. But when you lose, they all disappear. I would do anything for my fans, i really would. I have given 13 years of blood and sweat for Melbourne and i will give a lot more. People say i am finished, i am gun shy, i am washed up. What is that bull****? These people couldn't even run on a treadmill for five minutes let alone know what it's like to get in the ring and fight the best time and time again. But hey, I've always had critics, and God bless them. I'll prove them wrong all the time.

Rob McIntyre

20-09-2006, 07:41 PM

that's great, he spoke like a gentleman and he is entitled to keep fighting. good on him for making money at the end of his career.

you are not doing him any favours. the way you carry on here makes us think less of him. there is a direct correlation (have the taught you that yet at tafe?) between the rubbish you spew out and the lowering of respect for gurkan by some of us. as a fan, you suck arse.

now, will someone tell us where we can see the fight? I for one would like to see gurkan is fighting and make up my own mind.

Rob McIntyre - Gladstone
"in your training do not forget the spirit or the humility of a beginner"

Matt J

20-09-2006, 07:46 PM

nobody hates him. but people in general hate loud mouthed, lying, spiteful, racist assh@les. that would be you allan.
people around the world support all sorts of fighters, so there goes your awesome theory that "people hate true champions". you seem to think that those who dont want to lick the sweat stains from his underpants like you must have something against him. i dont think these people do. so look a little deeper sunshine, maybe its just people like you that we laugh at? its not too late, you can still become a useful human being allan! for example, your head could be used as a coaster or something!
ok, thats a little harsh. how about this, stop your barely literate ramblings about the superiority of the turkish race and gurkan, and i guranatee you'll be suprised by the fact that nobody will say a bad word about him. again, you may find that its your stupidity that people dont like, not gurkan himself. most people here dont know gurkan personally, so what would they really have against him? i've known him over the years and sincerely dont wish a single bad thing on him or anyone else for that matter. but i call a spade a spade, always have and always will. its your mouth that will cause people to go against what you say.
speaking of spades, thats another thing you may be useful for! considering you spend most of the time with your head in the sand.

Edited by - Matt J on 20 Sep 2006 18:48:35

Matt J

20-09-2006, 07:52 PM

by the way allan, what do you think of his own promoter, tarik himself, saying that gurkan is finished as a serious contender? is tarik a jealous bogan as well?
you know, theres no shame in a fighter being over the hill, its a natural process son!

Bushi

20-09-2006, 07:59 PM

Ah, I needed some comic relief after they day I've had at work..

Keep it coming guys....maybe we can start a Mattj v Allanf thread..actually you guys aren't one and the same are you ???

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Bushi
"Yours in Bushido"

"Go as far as you can see, and when you get there you'll see further"

Matt J

20-09-2006, 08:02 PM

always like to make you guys laugh, but bushi...me and allnf the same person?? give me a little credit here man!

aramz

20-09-2006, 08:11 PM

Allan,

First off let me say that you dont know me or most of the posters on this forum any better then u know ur dad. So dont think that because we stick up for sniper with you giving him crap and saying he talks s&%t about gurkan that we are one eyed and disslike gurkan. I haven't seen one of sniper's fights but have seen many of gurkan's so I have every reason to like gurkan more then sniper but I dont have a favourite I just enjoy good fights. I for one also enjoy actual fighters coming on here and posting info about recent fights etc like Sniper has done. I actually commend sniper on his restraint in not firing back verbally to some ppl on this forum who talk it up. I would be stoked if Gurkan also came on here n gave his view of the fight and I wouldnt utter a single piece of **** even in gest to him as i respect pro fighters who are living what we relish. You take this forum for granted.

You are a fu&%ing hat rack!

The more you sweat now the less you bleed later

allanf

20-09-2006, 09:32 PM

you guys spin so much crap, ahh i cant be bothered commenting on this crap, lets leave it at that.

allanf

20-09-2006, 09:58 PM

In all honesty i dont brag much about Gurkan but even if i did do you blame me??? just look at his super fighting career record. He wasnt named the supreme fighting machine for no reason he made Tarik Solak money and successful back in the 90s and Tarik Solak has stood by him since the day he started off and his still his number 1 fighter and Tarik Solak knows that because he makes money off Gurkan, its what the crowd come to see and enjoy.

Im on the same boat as you i think Gurkan is finished, his not as good as he use to be but im giving him credit because he is still fighting on and trying his heart out to finish off a tremendous career that will be remembered as one of the best fighters Australia and the World has seen. And one thing for sure like him or not there will be no other fighter to fill his shoes and Tarik Solak is so privilged that Gurkan Ozkan has stood by him all these years and this is where they are at now, Millions of viewers all over the world watching his shows and making lots and lots of casH and idolising Gurkan Ozkan as a national hero to Turkey which has paid off after all those years he has become famous in Turkey, as Tarik Solak mentioned what Shane Warne is to Australia that is what Gurkan Ozkan has become to Turkey.

And one thing for sure i dont see that happening in Australia with John Wayne Parr for existence he is probably Australias best fighter but if you sit hear and put him on channel 10 85 percent of the population dont even no of him wheras Gurkan Ozkan 80 million people in Turkey idolise him, and thats the difference today Tarik Solak stood by Gurkan because his smart and he makes him $$$ unlike fighters down hear no go and Tarik Solak finally understood that Turkey is the place to be and that is why he doesnt promote in Australia no longer!!!

Matt J

20-09-2006, 10:23 PM

quote:
In all honesty i dont brag much about Gurkan but even if i did do you blame me??? just look at his super fighting career record. He wasnt named the supreme fighting machine for no reason he made Tarik Solak money and successful back in the 90s and Tarik Solak has stood by him since the day he started off and his still his number 1 fighter and Tarik Solak knows that because he makes money off Gurkan, its what the crowd come to see and enjoy.

Im on the same boat as you i think Gurkan is finished, his not as good as he use to be but im giving him credit because he is still fighting on and trying his heart out to finish off a tremendous career that will be remembered as one of the best fighters Australia and the World has seen. And one thing for sure like him or not there will be no other fighter to fill his shoes and Tarik Solak is so privilged that Gurkan Ozkan has stood by him all these years and this is where they are at now, Millions of viewers all over the world watching his shows and making lots and lots of casH and idolising Gurkan Ozkan as a national hero to Turkey which has paid off after all those years he has become famous in Turkey, as Tarik Solak mentioned what Shane Warne is to Australia that is what Gurkan Ozkan has become to Turkey.

And one thing for sure i dont see that happening in Australia with John Wayne Parr for existence he is probably Australias best fighter but if you sit hear and put him on channel 10 85 percent of the population dont even no of him wheras Gurkan Ozkan 80 million people in Turkey idolise him, and thats the difference today Tarik Solak stood by Gurkan because his smart and he makes him $$$ unlike fighters down hear no go and Tarik Solak finally understood that Turkey is the place to be and that is why he doesnt promote in Australia no longer!!!

do your homework allan, there have been "other" reasons why its hard for tarik to promote in australia now.
coming from you, this post wasn't too bad though. i disagreed with almost everything, and its incredibly naive and generally exaggerated, but at least you you only sounded like a starstruck fan instead of dangerously obsessive and abusive! so well done my boy!

" Tarik Solak is so privilged that Gurkan Ozkan has stood by him all these years and this is where they are at now"

oh tarik is privileged is he? ahem. i won't even touch this one...

allanf

20-09-2006, 10:37 PM

Because its the truth its reality if there was no Gurkan Ozkan there might of been no Tarik Solak.

Matt J

20-09-2006, 10:43 PM

*cough*

khys

20-09-2006, 11:24 PM

mattj would you like elaborate on why you wont touch on the fact that solak is fortunate that ozkan has stuck by him because from where i stand it would appear that he is i believe to a degree allanf is correct in saying without ozkan there would be no solak especialy in the early days.

Matt J

20-09-2006, 11:48 PM

no i wont elaborate. good night.

wheels

20-09-2006, 11:58 PM

Na FELLAS MR Tarrik Solak IS THE MAN.
Lets put some nice words into this subject
Mr T.Solak:)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

2Ph0x

21-09-2006, 11:21 AM

Well there are some elements of truth in all this. For the most part i tend to agree with the majority of the allanf bashing comments. But he is correct partially about ozkan being a major push behind solaks success. I strongly disagree that there would be no solak, because he just would have found another drawcard, but as it is gurkan was the major markerting point for all of tariks (or most of) early large shows in Australia. I'm not a gurkan fan but i do enjoy watching him fight, i do respect him as a fighter and i love the spectacal that is a solak promotion.

I believe this thread has gone way off topic though. I didnt watch the fight but if the score cars posted earlier are accurate (19-20 snip, 20-19 oz, 20-19 oz) then how can it be called a decision within the rules. I'm not expert but my understanding is that its a no decision, unless there is a CLEAR leader. One point between all 3 judges is not a clear lead, regardless of who seemingly has momentum at the time.

And in chris's last fight, he only really fired in the 3rd round, so theres no reason that he couldn't have/wouldn't have done so here to.
truth be told i thought chris was going to lose his previous fight, until he came out firing in the 3rd, much the same way that people here ASSUME he would lose the 3rd because he was on the defensive in the previous round.

Does anyone know if there is a feed going up anywhere to watch this fight. Its the only way i really get to see them anymore (woe is me without my foxtel...)

Attacking is the only secret. Dare and the world yields, or if it beats you sometimes, dare it again and you will succeed.

Voice

21-09-2006, 02:46 PM

I can't believe how dim you lot are. I've said it before.
THERE IS NO ALLANF !!! And he certainly is not a racist Turk who loves Gurks.
When will the penny drop??<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

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allanf

21-09-2006, 03:02 PM

A-1 Semi Final Heat 1 live from Ankara Turkey TONIGHT 4am Melbourne time

You can catch all the livestream action on www.showtv.com.tr then click onto CanliYayinlar on the left hand side

wheels

21-09-2006, 03:14 PM

WAT is WAT & WHO is WHO Mr Voice.
And please every body lets stop
contra****ting our self's. And
give the pussie wussie comments a miss aye.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Bushi

21-09-2006, 03:15 PM

Mattj...allanf....hironaka.....admin.....eyespy where has he been)... just my vivid imagination..<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle>

But this thread is entertaining..

Bushi
"Yours in Bushido"

"Go as far as you can see, and when you get there you'll see further"

admin

21-09-2006, 04:14 PM

zdk stop stirring... I AM NOT MATT J, just because someone else on here has a semblance of intelligence and can spell and has a sense of wry humour doesn't make him me...nor anyone else... I always put my real name to all my posts... some choose to hide under aliases, so be it...

The dude who made the coke comment, I have just wiped that comment. You wanna make quips like that, email this address: info@solak.com.au with your details and he will get back to you I'm sure.

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Matt J

21-09-2006, 04:16 PM

voice,
why do you think i am allanf?

Matt J

21-09-2006, 04:19 PM

dont worry shiv, you're only about the 10th person i've been accused of being on here.

Ghodrat

21-09-2006, 04:19 PM

quote:
A-1 Semi Final Heat 1 live from Ankara Turkey TONIGHT 4am Melbourne time

You can catch all the livestream action on www.showtv.com.tr then click onto CanliYayinlar on the left hand side

Who's fighting tonight?

Looking forward to the results.

admin

21-09-2006, 04:22 PM

Yeah Matt I know. Conspiracy theorists abound.

Oh for the record people:

VOICE = Neale not me.

"The Voice" = me ... always posting under admin

Just to clarify.

www.bigkabosh.bigblog.com.au

"The Voice" Michael Schiavello

-Editor-
International Kickboxer
Fox Sports
Fox 8
MAIN EVENT
TV2 - TVNZ

"Hammer... I sense a bit of BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN between you and Benny Ritter" -- Commentary of Muay Thai Battleground 18, Fox Sports

SPADA

21-09-2006, 04:26 PM

quote: dont worry shiv, you're only about the 10th person i've been accused of being on here.

MattJ ....

Am I still the closest with S.B from Fitzoy Stars ???? hehehe

On a different note,The only interest I have in the A1 is how many
guys get smashed by Farid " Muay Thai Machine " Villaume during this tournament series.That is a big plus having him in the mix.

cheers Spada

ECKS

21-09-2006, 06:43 PM

Just curious Matt. You into music and science at all? Studying BJJ at the moment?

It aint about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward!

sniper

21-09-2006, 07:13 PM

tonight they will have 4 of the tournament fights and 1 superfight. i cannot enlighten u all as to who exactly is fighting tonight but i know im not hehehe. my next tournament fight will be in turkey again in november sometime. likely towards the end. they will continue to have 5 fights on a show and as there are less and less fighters in the competition rounds, they will compensate with more superfights. does that make sense?? the final for example will be the last tournament fight obviously and 4 superfights will make up the card.
so hopefully we will get a few more trips to europe over the next few months.

sniper

21-09-2006, 07:13 PM

in saying that. the format has changed many many times even on the day so dont hold me to this hehehehehehe

Mina

21-09-2006, 09:11 PM

how is Farid Villume doing?

Voice

21-09-2006, 09:41 PM

c'mon matt, you of all people should know a mystery is best kept just that. And you know how i found out so enough said. It would be the forum's loss if some people couldn't remain incognito.

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sniper

21-09-2006, 10:07 PM

farid won his first round fight very convincingly. without a word of doubt the favourite for the entire tournament. no idea who he has in the next round but i know the order that was initially set will not be the set format.

Hitman

21-09-2006, 10:47 PM

Sniper can you see yourself winning the tournament?? coz i certainly cant see you winning..

The bigger they are, the harder they fall.

sniper

21-09-2006, 11:05 PM

did i stutter in my last post idiot. i made it very clear i thought farid was favourite. i am under no illusion whatsoever about the many great fighters that are in this tournament but there is a difference here. while u are on the computer screen talking tough and making derogatory statements, i will be in the gym giving it my all knowing the fact that whether i win or lose i will be doing what i love doing to the best of my ability. i can not predict where i will finish in this tournament but as it is, there were many people in turkey that wanted to see me fight. these people and the many fight fans that support kickboxing is what is going to keep me going to percevere in order to attain my potential. so sure make your comments. but did anyone really think mark hunt could have won the 01 grand prix?? did many people expect bob sapp to beat hoost twice?? sure there are better fighters but funnier things have happened also.

wheels

22-09-2006, 12:03 AM

Well Mr Hitman,I do not think that was or is a very fair comment,
I just had a look at the first fight that Gurkan and Sniper had and Sniper dropped him fair and square. Now this recent fight I have not seen, but they tell me when it was stopped Maurice Smith had Sniper winning 20/19. I do not know if these other two judges were
WORLD CHAMPIONS.
Dosen't sound right to me Guvna.
GO Hard Chris, Get back to Sydney safe Bro.

Matt J

22-09-2006, 12:31 AM

quote:
c'mon matt, you of all people should know a mystery is best kept just that. And you know how i found out so enough said. It would be the forum's loss if some people couldn't remain incognito.

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how you found out what? that i'm allanf? are we on the same page here?
are you saying i am allanf and i should know how you discovered that?

ECKS

22-09-2006, 01:28 AM

Just curious Matt. You into music and science at all? Studying BJJ at the moment?:)<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle>

It aint about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward!

Hot Sizzle

22-09-2006, 08:30 AM

quote:Yeah Matt I know. Conspiracy theorists abound.

Oh for the record people:

VOICE = Neale not me.

"The Voice" = me ... always posting under admin

Just to clarify.

Yeah that had me confused for a while when i first got on here. I noticed voice (thinking it was you) saying things you wouldn't usually say. Then i checked your profile (Admin) and it had a different name....was quite confusing for a bit there.

It's better to have a gun & not need it, than to need a gun and not have it.

Hot Sizzle

22-09-2006, 08:30 AM

Oh and Farid won 1st round KO. Wahoooo go Farid.

It's better to have a gun & not need it, than to need a gun and not have it.

Voice

22-09-2006, 10:47 AM

quote:
how you found out what? that i'm allanf? are we on the same page here?
are you saying i am allanf and i should know how you discovered that?

huh? Where and when did I say that Matty me boy? You trying to put conspiracies out there??

All I said is that there really isn't a ****head out there who is the Allanf we all know.

You do know how I discovered who you are though...right?

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Edited by - voice on 22 Sep 2006 09:50:26

wheels

22-09-2006, 12:23 PM

The title off this was OZKAN V SNIPER
was it not.
So as it stands that is 1 each.
I wish the third was to be held
in Melbourn?
Lets get with the topice aye guvas.
I herd the fights last night had an even
better back drop than last time?

ECKS

22-09-2006, 02:10 PM

third fight should be held in NZ... That would only be fair since Gurks has had one in his backyard.

It aint about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward!

Matt J

23-09-2006, 01:13 AM

quote:
quote:
how you found out what? that i'm allanf? are we on the same page here?
are you saying i am allanf and i should know how you discovered that?

huh? Where and when did I say that Matty me boy? You trying to put conspiracies out there??

All I said is that there really isn't a ****head out there who is the Allanf we all know.

You do know how I discovered who you are though...right?

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Edited by - voice on 22 Sep 2006 09:50:26

no i dont.

ECKS

23-09-2006, 02:19 AM

Matty???

It aint about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward!

Sean Toomey

23-09-2006, 02:27 AM

I have Moussa Konate and Eddy saban fighting on my show in London, on November 19th. Can anyone tell me how they got on, in this tournament, and where can i get the results. I am hearing conflicting stories on how they did.

Matt J

23-09-2006, 02:29 AM

ecks,
lets start building some hurtin' bombs.

ECKS

23-09-2006, 02:39 AM

hehehehe..
"To beat this guy you need speed...you don't have it. You've got calcium deposits on most of your joints so sparings out..."

So tell me I'm curious, you a musician?

It aint about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward!

shaunw

23-09-2006, 02:42 AM

hey allanf, if i can be serious for a minute..........

NAH I CANT!!!!

was just wondering why gurkan used to have gotham city on his shorts all the time????

gotham city is a nice place hey????

Max Power, he's the man who's name you'd love to touch. But you mustn't touch! His name sounds good in your ear, but when you say it you mustn't fear! Cause his name can be said by anyone

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Matt J

23-09-2006, 02:43 AM

quote:

So tell me I'm curious, you a musician?

no

ECKS

23-09-2006, 02:44 AM

hmmmm more than one mattj in the world thats well spoken and a martial artist

It aint about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward!

sniper

23-09-2006, 02:48 AM

just had a txt come through. the next round will start 21st october or 28th october every week until the final on 11th november. apparently i have gurkan first up in tournament fight.
this does not make sense though as he apparently won his second round fight last night so im not sure how that works. i also have to find out whether i can get more time off at my gym or even whether i am better off staying in europe and going to train in holland or something hmmmmmmmm.