baris vs alexyi what did you think?

[Pete M]

i was there on the night and i agree 100%
with tarik, micheal and hammer
that alexyi won that fight
and baris is ****, and if he fights mike zam he will get ko'd in brutal fashion.

what did everyone else think?

[bob]

after seeing baris fight on fox sports,i definately dont think he should fight zam,i cant see the fight being that exciting.tarik also mentioned that he was disapointed in baris and said he might ax him on feb.17,and put JWP instead maybe.this would be great even better than the main event.

[remy]

Don't underestimate Baris, especially if you haven't seen him before. He has been out of fighting for quite a while. Probably 1 or 2 fights since Zambidis defeated him a couple of years ago. And it's very disrespectful to call him stupid names.

[JANER]

I didnt see the fight, what happened? It sounds like tarik was co-commentating

[QUPNCY]

well guys first of all i have to say what a disgrace the show was from the ref to the judges even the crowd "booing"other fighters.it looked like the show was just slapped together in a matter of days!honestly people on here have bagged tarik's promotions but when he put's a show on it's the goods all round high class.i cant believe the descisions that were made by the judges what fights were they watching???tamo should have won and as for the baris fight well???
he is a great fighter but he was beaten on the night by a great fighter that is on the rise he looks the goods(alexi)however as for baris fighting zam(II)i think he has to seriously dig deeper cause if he is like that on feb17 he wont be there for long zam has had a great year while baris has been quiet!i hope he can come up with the goods.if he isnt there how about jwp v zam or alexi v zam or alexi v jwp full thai rules after all thats what he is an expert in as so is parr what a ripper that would be!!!

[shacols]

yeah jwp vs zam or alexi full thai,**** hot action.alexi outclassed baris on the night for sure

[shacols]

i dont think it was slapped together,pretty good show if you ask me.
ok the judging definately sucked on more than one occasion though.there was some great fighting

[sethridge]

I was very impressed with alexi! that boy kicks hard like a true thai fighter. but dont know if he would beat JWP or ZAM, cuz BARIS isnt in either of their league so its hard to judge. JWP beat chopper convincinly and chopper beat alexi pretty much with ease. and dont say alexi fought better against baris cuz he didnt!! chopper is just a better opponent than baris, like to see alexi fight jenk if he wins then he deserves to fight JWP full thai rules or maybe rematch with chopper full thai rules.

[JANER]

i received maybe 5 messages from my mates stating baris and the night of fights were really lame. i cant wait to see the replay.

[Pete M]

i would like
to see steve mckinnon fight gurkan ozkan.

as for under estimateing bairs. i saw him fight steve deout and baris clearly knocked him out AFTER the bell. baris isn't as good as everyone makes him out to be. come the guy surposedly what, 3 times WORLD champion come on he is a joke.

[mick]

does anybody know how many pro fights Alexi has had? I thought this was only is second.

[Lucy Tui]

Well thanks guys for all your comments..I must say there wasn't the razmattaz of Tariks shows but the fights were good but the judging was atrocious which I must emphasize has no reflect on the Promoters who promote Proffessional bouts in NSW...
I have been in this sport for 23years only to see the judging becoming worse every year...I can only say that we need fresh judges more officials in NSW who know what they are doing..(who need to register with the NSW Boxing Authority to be Proffessional Judges or Referees)...
I would like to see if decisions can be oveturned on a video decision ....like they do in football or if it clearly states on the video on the night that it can be over ruled...(in which I feel can make a difference in the judging, we will always
get controversy no matter where we go as far as there is kickboxing, thaiboxing, boxing we see this all over the world...

We try to build the sport over the years here in NSW and to come down to bad judgement makes the sport look very bad here in NSW.
I speak of NSW because I promote here and have put thousands
of dollars into the sport over the years only to get controversy with the judging which spoils my shows and the sport.....
I would like to apologise to the fighters who feel they have been hard done by here in NSW and can only hope NSW Boxing authority can help us repair the Judges here in NSW.
In saying that we as a kickboxing organisation need to have officials seminars more often to help build towards better judging in which I will be looking at this year...(as one of my main goals here NSW Kickboxing)
Happy New Year to everyone in kickboxing lets hope we have
a good year with the JUDGING......

Regards
Lucy Tui

[QUPNCY]

nothin against u personally lucy its great to see ur doin something for the sport but if u r going to do something well go all the way and make sure it is perfect
tarik himself saw a bad decision given and overturned it and gave it to the other fighter antoniou v memeht and memeht is from solaks gym fair is fair and when u watch it carefully u see how far apart the judging was in nearly all the fights! draw then 5 points difference then 3 points the other way??? open ur eyes nsw!!!do they think we r stupid? it was the first time ive finished watching a show on fox and been totally disappointed with it i mean when there is a show on the whole house here stops cause i love the sport and well my family dont so there r often undercards unofficially fought here at my place just to watch and when u see bull**** like that well what can i say?
and another thing what is it with the bulldog gym y dont they take their heads out of their asses!! foley was killing their fighter and when they had to stop the fight cause of a head clash they were celebrating as if he was beating him and it was his fight! NO CONTEST BUDDY GET OVER IT!they think they r the elite y dont they travel down to melb and mix it with all the melb boys? the world champs r here not in (bulldog gym)come and challenge true champs!
LUCY KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK BUT TIMES R GETTING FLASHIER AND IF UR GONNA GET COVERAGE ON FOX MAKE IT A GLAMOUR TO WATCH SORRY IF IM HARSH BUT ITS JUST MY OPINION

[paul c]

QUPNCY


The fight you mentioned Tarik overturning,


I was there on the night. Tarik said that he reckons that Antonio won the fight. As far as I know he doesn't have the power to overturn a decision.

Someone correct me here if I'm wrong.
I clearly remember a huge debate on the forums on just this subject when it happened. People were freaked out that Tarik could do such things, but it was then pointed out that he didn't and couldn't. By voicing his oppinion as the promoter, he was just letting the crowds know that ....No they're not stupid for dissagreeing with the decision, and that he was also dissapointed with the judging.


I missed the show on Fox, I'll have to see if I can catch the replay.

[QUPNCY]

fair call paul c

[Wolverine]

Tehuna easily beat Lusua.
Something must be done about the judging problem.

[qlander]

Hi guys,

Yes it was appalling, embarrasing infact. But I was also very dissapointed with the commentary from Mark & Michael.

Most of us are trying to lift the profile of our sport and show the general public that we are as profesional as any other main stream sport. What these two gentlemen said on the night set us back a long way.

Yes the timing was bad for the first few fights, mention it and shut up. They continued to time the rounds and mention it if was wrong and then made jokes about it when they got it right. Yes mention that you disagree with the judges decision (and yes they were discraceful) but do you have to go on and tell the entire country that NSW kickboxing is disgraceful (can't remember the exact words) and that you are glad you didn't fight there.

Mark and Michael, ask yourselves this - if you had been watching this telecast as a parent who might want their child to learn kickboxing instead of judo, how would what the commentators said affect your decision?

You did not do our sport any favours that night, and my opinion of both of you has dropped dramatically.

[Michael Schiavello]

Qlander,

As commentators of this sport we never set to take the sport backwards, but only forwards. Our highlighting the many incompetencies of this show from the timing to the judging ensures that the people who make these mistakes do not simply fade into nothingness or get swept under the carpet but are pinpointed so as to ensure that the same mistakes do not happen again. If you are not held accountable for your actions then chances are you will perform those same actions again and again.

Lucy came on here and posted and agreed how terrible some of the officiating was... in her seeing this then we believe we did our POSITIVE part for the sport to really bring this to light enough for the promoter to say "something has to be done." If we had made no comment on anything then chances are they would have gone unpunished.

How would you the viewer at home have known that the rounds were too short or too long? Fox Sports does not use a counter for the kickboxing, so I use my trusty stopwatch to measure the rounds so as to keep viewers informed a) how long is left in each round, b) check if rounds fall short/go long. I'd rather inform the unaware audience of mis-timed rounds than simply let it go.

Also, as two people who love the sport and have done all within their power to push the sport forward as much as possible, Mark and I believe we have a responsibility to use our "voice" to make sure that dodgy decisions and poor officiating does not keep happening. The fact that this poor officiating happened at several Sydney shows last year means that Sydney needs to take a serious look at the appointing of officials and their skills in judging and refereeing. If we do not highlight this, then how will things change? I'm sure you the public sit at home and were ropable over some of the decisions... but what voice do you have to make a CHANGE... fortunately Mark and I have a very powerful voice being the commentators and we will reflect the public opinion STRONGLY that dodgy decisions and poor officiating will NOT be tolerated.

If you think our commentary has deteriorated (and this is not the first time you have criticised our commentary) then that is your opinion and as this is an open forum you are quite entitled to it. But please do not assume that Mark and I take the sport backwards as for the last 10 years we have done everything to take kickboxing to new levels of professionalism, publicity and prestige.

[paul c]

Glander,

I understand your concern, but honestly feel it is outweighed here by Michael's points.


Both those guys come from a journalistic background. It's not there jobs to be the promoters or the sports Public Relations people, but to simply call it as they see it, for those of us at home.

[QUPNCY]

i totally back michael and the hammer 100% they r reflecting our views they r there to say it how it is the promoters keep shut cause its money in their pocket! we didnt see lucy tui getting up there to say her peace!it was a disgrace and im glad they relayed it over the tv on fox sports maybe if they r humiliated in public they might start to lift their game!lets hope.

[Lucy Tui]

Hi QUPNCY,

I do not know what you meant by saying my peace,?
What do you want me to be the judge & referee & promoter as a promoter we can only hope that everyone does there job on the night, I am very upset to see such judging especially on television where we as Promoters have put alot of work into the sport only for it to be ruined by the Judges, the days when I was a judge we still use to get backlash but it has definetly got worse..
My goal this year is to educate the officials more and to get people who know what they are doing...I love this sport with a passion and have done everything I can to build it.....it is such ashame that the decisions of judges ruin it after 23years of hard work...(it is really sad when it gets to this point, but I will definetly
try my best to make it better in the near future..)
Regards
Lucy Tui

[oxymoron]

Some intereasing points Mr Shiavello. You do have a sort of powerfull voice being commentators, BUT, who listens to,or has respect for people who constantly over exagerate like you and tariks woefull effort on fox 8 saturday nights a while ago or have personal interests I wouldnt call you a parasite because they eventually take over their host and kill them. You have more of a symbiotic relationship with kickboxing. Lets face it what would you do without kickboxing. No flying around doing commentry "i have to commend you on the K1 2002 the others beside you were ordinary" no writing stories for kickboxing books etc
you and hammer sounded like you didnt want to be there or that the promotion was below the both of you the mentioning of the bloodied ring canvas illistrates this point perfectly.

in fact the whole sport in victoria reeks of collusion to me

the conflict of interests betwen the promoter and referee solak and hedgecock says it all

[qlander]

Michael,

Firstly, I enjoy your commentary mostly. It is entertaining and although I sometimes wonder which fights you are watching (with the Hammer's unofficial score card)I think you both do a good job.

Secondly, although you are correct in saying that you have a certain responsibility to make sure that mistakes are accounted for and avoided in the future, this is not your primary role. You have a responsibility to lift the public profile of our sport and present it (as you are a presenter) in an entertaining (which you do) and profesional manner. You both failed to do this. As I said, I have no problem with mentioning the poor timing, the bad judging or even the condition of the matt, but you went too far. You should have said "this is not the standard...the fights are excellent shame about the judging... will be better next time". You should have helped our sport, not drove it into the ground for the sake of one bad show.

I feel (as did my students and family who watched the telecast) that your comments should have revolved around what should be happening to make it right and generally trying to put a positive spin on things.

And I am sorry, but the viewers do not "need to know" that the rounds were 30 seconds out. All your comments did was scare some my students against jumping in the ring because it might happen to them.

I think you guys should be using your "powerful voice" to pressure FOX and Tarik to avoid NSW until things change, then the promoters can put pressure on the relevant boards and committees (I am unfamiliar with the system in NSW). Remember they are only in it for the money, you ranting and raving only makes people want to watch the next show to see what will happen. Tarik makes money & FOX makes money either way. You should be trying to prevent these dodgy shows from being broad cast not bagging them and then coming back to bag another one.

I am sorry, but I think your "priorities" are a little misguided, but hey, I am not being paid.

Again, I like your commentaries, I just think you made a mistake and thought you would like to know that you dissapointed a few people.

[Lucy Tui]

I would like to state that regardless of the bad judging in NSW I do not think we should be singled out ..I have seen some pretty lame judging come from Melbourne & Queensland over the years I as a Promoter here in NSW and other Promoters who have put alot of time into this sport in Sydney should be given some credit....I must agree with some of qlanders comments on
turning towards positiveness in this sport, I had alot of calls from
people who were also disappointed with Mark Castiginni & Mike Shcivello's comments on the night (please guys do not take this personally ) my veiw is to give Adam Watt go in the commentary box Adam Watt who is from NSW he is a proffessional has had the experience
he is highly respected in Australia that to me is a POSITIVE STEP TO HELPING THE SPORT...NO DISRESPECT TO MICHAEL SHCIVELLO & MARK CASTIGINNI ..........
I STILL LIKE YOU GUYS JUST WHEN THERE R SHOWS HERE IN NSW....
Regards
Lucy Tui

[mick]

come on guys Lucy is right, don't blame the promoter for the bad judging. In my opinion it is better that the promoter should have no pull with the judgeing. If people expect the promoter to get involed then every fighter that thinks the decision should have gone there way will be *****ing and downing the promotion. no promoter should have any say with the judgeing.
Mmaybe the judges on the night should have to be supervised for there nect job.
i think Tama Tahuna and Alexi should have won, but at the same time people should not put **** on Baris as he is not the judge he is a fighter, the decision was out of his hands. And for all the people putting crap on other fighters, i wonder how many of these people have been in the ring themselfs.

[harls]

Like everyone else, I agree that the judging was terrible. But bad decisions are always going to happen in the fight game, sadly it's just the way it is and it seems to be on the increase. I also agree that there needs to be fresh faces judging fights, not just in NSW but for the rest of OZ as well. The judges these days must be busy watching the showgirls bending over or something during the fights, because they couldn't be possibly be watching the action.

On the topic of the commentating job by Micheal and Mark, I thought the commentary was good and I thought their comments were accurate. What they said NEEDED to be said. I think the guys are fed up with all the ****y decisions lately and felt they needed to dig there heels in a bit because the shows recently have gone downhill. So if you didn't like the commentary, fair enough, just remember they are doing their best and nobody can please everybody, every commentator has their fair share of critics. Put yourself in their place for a minute...

[Axekick157]

Apart from the poor decisions from the refs, I thought the show had some great match ups.

The most disappointing thing was the comments made from Tarik about Baris, after those comments that Baris is not good enough I have lost all respect for Tarik and think he is a snake. Get your act together Tarik, start supporting the fighters not bagging them.

Keep up the good work lucy, maybe the refs may start to follow suit, well we can only hope.



Edited by - axekick157 on 07 Jan 2003 15:31:25

[Michael Schiavello]

Hi Lucy

Your comments are taken on board... unfortunately there seems to be many problems associated with WKBF sanctioned shows. You have had two shows broadcast on Fox in 2002 and both were marred by terrible officiating. It is thus obvious that the WKBF appointing of officials needs to come into question.
Perhaps horizons need to be expanded in NSW. We have received information that JNI promotions have always had excellent officiating and have established a good reputation, and perhaps this year FOX SPORTS will look at JNI and other promotions under other sanctioning bodies and judges and officials selections in NSW.

Qlander, as far as your children watching the sport, we would advise that your child does not compete in a state or on a promotion or in a sport which endangers that child’s health and chances of success and fairness. We want the sport of kickboxing to be safe and fair, professional and properly regulated. Standards have to be set so that the sport can progress positively. The public is not stupid, they see that our sport has too many titles and some terrible officiating and this EMBARASSES our sport more than anything. Hats off to promotions such as K-1… or even Ray Matsumura Rising Promotions who concentrate on promoting GOOD FIGHTS instead of dodgy titles, as some of the titles which bodies such as the WKBF have flogged off have been far less than credible. From timekeepers to judging and titles, everything has to be credible in the sport. As commentators we have to make light of this because if we look past these shortcomings of our sport and let them be (short rounds, bad decisions, terrible and dangerous refereeing, dodgy titles etc) then we are fooling ourselves as professional sports commentators (not only of kickboxing but the many other fight sports we have commentates) and we are fooling the viewers. Our job is to not cover up mistakes but to make sure that they are highlighted so that they do not happen again. We call what we see and also make sure to give the sport an entertainment component for the viewer at home. It is the same in any sport… commentators will always put into query the shortcomings of the event, take the World Cup last year for example… how often were the terrible offside and yellow cards and red card decisions highlighted by commentators – it was this highlighting of these mistakes which marred the World Cup that saw FIFA take action to prevent future occurrences, just as we hope our highlighting bad decisions and bad timekeeping will lead people such as Lucy and other promoters to ensure that the judges appointed/used on their shows/sanctioning bodies know what the heck they are doing.

Our commitment to this sport is not only as commentators. In Mark’s case he is a former Australian champion (Muay Thai)… he also trains a huge base of students at his club and only teaches them the positives of the sport. As such, many of his students will be competing in the ring soon… some already have competed in Thailand with success. We are also editors/publishers of the only kickboxing magazine in the world, not to mention we operate forums such as this one so that people all over the world can have a VOICE on their sport. We are not greedy promoters selling second rate shows to the crowd or the television… promoters need to remember that if they are on TV then that is their opportunity to showcase their BEST of EVERYTHING to the watching nation, unfortunately shows such as Lucy’s last one displayed a disorganized angle to the sport which does more harm than good. Lucy as a promoter you must take some responsibility for that just as every other promoter does when people stuff up on their shows.

As for Adam Watt commentating, we have the highest respect for Adam and would welcome him and his insights as a guest commentator any time.

OxyMoron, as for your comments regarding what I’d do without kickboxing, well my friend, you don’t know me and that I have quite a vast life outside of the sport of kickboxing, with several business pursuits and pursuits in other facets of media. As for the comments about who listens to us or watched what you termed our ‘woeful’ attempt on Fox 8 – well, the ratings certainly show that PLENTY of people do. If you don’t wish to, then it’s quite simple – switch off. You know, sometimes people try to HELP the sport move along as much as they can within their resources… but often as is common with the TALL POPPY syndrome in Australia, people want to tear others down. That is truly sad.

As this is an open forum please note that Mark and I do consider all posts and constructive feedback.

[paul c]

What the hell is going on here in this thread?

People whom should be working together are openly criticising each other.


It seems the criticism has gone beyond the show and turned personal.

I feel both Lucy's criticism of Michael's commentary, and Michael's of Lucy's show are just both over exxagerated.

It wasn't that bad guys. Neither the commentary, nor the fights on the show. It's just the decisions that have pissed people off.



Edited by - paul c on 07 Jan 2003 18:38:46

[Lucy Tui]

Hi Michael,

It seems to me you have taken what I have said personally...
As far as my shows are concerned because of the judging I get
struck out..I do not think that is fair....it does not matter what show goes on Fox in NSW the same people are judging, so you will get the same results so I don't think you should shoot the promoter because of the officials we do not have the power to choose the officials the same as in Melbourne the Martial Arts board appoints them....I was just stating that I recieved a few calls that night from people who were absouletly discouraged by the commentary from the both of you of how you guys were calling the fight, that does not mean I said it...
......I would love to choose the judges & referees for my shows but unfortunately we do not as a sanctioning body or promoter have the power to do that due to the NSW Boxing Authority who choose all officials for the proffessional shows....
I was not aware the time keeping was out of time until you guys mentioned it on the tv...so now I am to be the timekeeper,referee,
judge & the promoter on the night....wow thats not a fair call....
I DO NOT THINK ANY PROFESSIONAL PROMOTER HERE IN NSW SHOULD BE PENALISED FOR THE TIMEKEEPER OR THE JUDGING & REFEERING ON THE SHOWS
BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE THE POWER TO CHOOSE THE OFFICIALS HERE IN NSW DUE TO THE SHOW HAVING PROFFESSIONAL FIGHTS... SO IT DOES NOT MATTER IF JNI,RICHARD BRADFORD,STEVE JEZ,PAUL GRIMA OR ,ROBERT MURDOCH IF YOU HAVE A PROFFESSIONAL FIGHT THE NSW BOXING AUTHORITY CHOOSE THE OFFICIALS......AND THEY ARE THE SAME ONES ALL THE TIME..
.
It does not matter if I brought someone from overseas like Europe or America the best amatuer KICKBOXERS are in Australia & New Zealand... we have brought fighters from the otherside of the world and only to find that they are not as good as our fighters here....I have attended world amatuer kickboxing events in Greece 3years ago taken over our boys we came back with world titles....BELEIVE ME THE OCEANIA HAS THE BEST AMATUER FIGHTERS IN THE WORLD!!!!!!thats is what you should be telling the public!!!!!! because it is FACT.......
I have no qalms with you and Mark DOING COMMENTARY but I do feel that because we are a kickboxing state we get the raw end of the deal..Due to Mark been with thaiboxing WMTC...once again we should not be penalised for such...remember I have fought Thaiboxing in Holland & Adelaide...if the law here states we cannot do thaiboxing meaning modified thai rules or females cannot fight should I be penalised???.........I feel KICKBOXING is still a spectacular sport and should be promoted here NSW.....I would be promoting both Thaiboxing & Kickboxing if we are allowed....
I have never had any problems with the Fox crew or Steve Barnes I have always treated them with respect on my shows they have always given me positive fed back after the event..and that goes for you also......
The only problem has been the officials with the judging which is completely out of my hands as you know who has the say with that...as far as the titles are concerned the fighters have earned the right to fight for them.....Like I have said there have been some bad decisions in other states as well....(NSW SHOULD NOT BE SINGLED OUT)....That is just my opinion....
My deepest apologises if you feel I have offended you and Mark..
Hope you two have a Happy New year...
Regards
Lucy Tui

[The Rhino]

Hi Michael, Lucy or any one else out there that knows,

Does the WKBF still use 7 judges? I remember this from sometime ago.

As for the Martial Arts/Boxing Board selecting judges etc...Well if that's the job that they want then I think it should also be up to them to train them. However, they want all the power to oversee the system and reap monetary benefits…government/public money to watch fight nights at ringside (I think most punters out there would love that) where there isn’t really that much to do besides do some paperwork to keep the records and check some hand wraps (I think most in the know could do that).

You know the funny thing that I’ve always thought is that we have people controlling our sport – kickboxing, Thai boxing, martial arts – but I don’t know what credentials these people have that confidently say to me that they have qualified knowledge of the rules and intricacies of the sport. I suppose that this goes towards the reason that they cannot train referees and judges...let alone a time keeper by the sounds of things! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

I think that the bickering should stop between people who are working with the sport and start looking at who is overseeing the sport and basically hold all the cards when it comes to power….Lucy, I think that Mark and Michael simply want to point out what a joke it is that NSW cannot do Muay Thai and basically don't have choices (of fighting rules) because the government says no (because they know all about the sport). By the looks of things they (the government bodies) also do not wish to ensure that officials are trained properly and I guess it’s hard enough trying to promote, get fighters, match make, get printing, organise venue etc to organise a fight night let alone also train your official when you don’t know who they will be…You’d assume that they were up to date and ready to do the task.

4 States and a Territory…all allowed to choose rules and sanctioning bodies – thousands of events for over 20 years and NSW still think it is not safe to do Thai Boxing. A joke indeed !
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[Axekick157]

Lucy,

could you please tell me why Alexyi was not wearing any shin pads in his fight against Baris, have the rulings been changed in NSW?

PS would love to see more of the McKinnon Boys on your shows.

Thanks N' Regards,
AXE

[Pitbull-Qld]

I watched the fights on foxtel and i thought Alexi won the fight. NSW have to do something about these dodgy decisions. Baris is a great fighter but i thought he was very flat on the night. Remember he did go 12 rounds with Michael Zambidis. Looking forward to watching the Boonchu Cup on Friday night. Keep it coming Fox Sports.

[Axekick157]

Pitbull,

Could you please tell me what time the Boonchu Cup is on and which fighters were on.

Thanks in advance

AXE

[Lucy Tui]

The fight was already in progress when I realised he had ankle guards on, nothing was said by the board so it just went ahead.....
Regards
Lucy Tui

[harls]

Lucy, I think Axekick157 was wondering why Alexei wasn't wearing shinguards and Baris was. Great fights on the show by the way:)

[paul c]

Hey Rhino,

Welcome to the message board.

Are you the Rhino we saw fighting on the Fox show last night?

[Pitbull-Qld]

Hey AXE, here are the BOONCHU CUP details you requested. Friday 10th January, 8:30pm est(7:30 in QLD) As far as who fought on the night, i don't know but what i can tell you is who was on the fight promo poster. It was Australia Vs Japan and these were the fighters on the poster: Nathan Corbett,Shannon Forrester,Daniel Dawson, Bruce Macfie, Hiroki Shishido & another Japanese fight but i don't know who he is. If you miss the Friday night show, it is being replayed late Saturday night at 2:00am est (1:00 in QLD). I hope everyone gets to watch these fights as QLD has the best muay thai shows in Oz. PEACE.

[sethridge]

no hes not! that thai guy u saw on tv last nite was my trainer and he cant speak english so i dont think he can write either! that was his 1st fite after a 8 year lay off in april! he fought soren recently and knocked him out 3rd. all them fighters from last nite nelson pelligrino,khalid,richard price,chris white, are all from my gym and all have had under 10 fights! and were all class and techniqe!! not brawlers. thats how undercards shold be!! quality!! if its gonna be shown on fox.

[paul c]

Seth,

I don't think there's been a post of yours for a long time where you didn't point out every non Muay Thai shows short comings.

Mate, we have to accept that sometimes we're going to see fights on shows that don't end up being great fights, even though the potential is there on paper.

Take for example Lucy's last show.

We saw Steve Mckinnon fighting. I'm sure you know of him, he's one of the best fighters of his weight division, and Lucy couldn't have done much better showcasing some of N.S.W biggest Stars.

Also Shane Meads Vs Terry Rippey.
For the life of me, I would have placed a bet that this fight would go the distance. Terry Rippey is one hard MoFo, that can take a hell of a lot of punishment, and Meads is an attack animal.

Lasua is a good fighter, even though I'd never seen his opponent fight before, I thought we were going to see a very tough fight. Instead, (no offence to August) the fight from August was the flatest I've seen from him.

Greg Foley faught.....Man, how much better a line up of Sydney star fighters could there have been. Not much better honestly.

Alexy Vs Baris. According to everyone in the know, Alexy is probably one of the best fighters in N.S.W. The fight with Baris was a total surprise to many, because those of us that know his fight style were picturing Baris going in and exploding and knocking the hell out anyone his right hand lands on. Instead, we still saw a good kickboxing fight. You guys that are into MT probably were yawning, but that will be the case no matter who's fighting with no knees, no elbows or clinching.

You see Seth, you're familiar with the W.A and MT Queenslanders. You know where they stand amongst their peers, and know which should make for a good fight. But understand that there are those of us in Melbourne and Sydney whom have never heard of these guys you mention. So, when they step into the ring, it's not as big a deal for us as it is for you guys. I'm sure there are many wondering why the Fox show from Perth didn't have any of the PRO kickboxing stars whom we in Melbourne know about, and it leaves us feeling that even though the fights are decent, that we didn't really see any star fighters either, so it doesn't end up as exciting for some of us, as it would for you guys that follow MT closely.

I thought it was a good show in general, only shortcomeing being what has already been mentioned in the other discussions.

Also, I reckon Tarik's last couple of shows have had great fighters, just some of the fights didn't happen as what could have been fromthe fighters. But I think that Tariks shows don't deserve as much criticism as they get, because the truth is, he spends more money on trying to give us Australia's best fighters than any other promoter in Australia is prepared to do.

Undercards with Amateur fighters.
Guys, I'm not pretending to know, this is more a question than a statement.
If I understand correctly, I believe that Amateurs don't get paid. If that's the case, I wonder why Tarik would want to have second rate fighters if he can have his pick of others that you guys believe are out there, and promote them instead for the same price?
Some one explain it please, because I don't understand why he would want to sabotage his own shows then, by not promoting the fighters you guys believe should have been fighting.

Perhaps he's guilty of not bringing down amateur fighters from Queensland or W.A.
Because as far as I know, the Amateur guys we've been seeing on Tariks shows are the better up and comers that Melbourne has to offer.

[JWP]

Hi Queenslander,
I would tell your kids to start training as soon as they wanted to. Kickboxing/Muay Thai is a good sport for keeping fit and having fun. Tell them if they train hard that they could be on TV one day and be fighting one the same show as the people they see fighting on Fox. Not all shows are bad but it would take a long time training before they get to that level anyway. Learn the skills first, get as fit as they could and start of small. Hopefully by that time things will have changed in the sport but no matter what there is always going to be some bad calls. Look at boxing, the sport is hundreds of years old and it is at it's worst with all the dodgy decesions on all the world title fights just so the promoters can make the big dollars on the rematch. That doesn't stop all the people in the world training boxing though.
Just my two cents but the younger you start the quicker you pick it up and become good at it.
For the Boonchu show, it was one of Ray's best shows to date. The main fights on the night were:
Shannon F16 vs Krongsak Lek
Daniel Dawson vs Ryland Mahoney
Brad Hull vs Shisido (world shootboxing champ)
John Wayne vs Goto (world shootboxing champ)

I am not sure what fights they will show as the under card but every fight was very well matched and very exciting. The fight of the night was Darren Reece vs Clayton Collier. They stood toe to toe throwing elbows for 5 rounds. Hope everyone enjoys this Friday.

John Wayne

[QUPNCY]

hey there jwp first of all i have to say im so sorry u were robbed on the night of k1 max appauling!and to tell u the truth im not much of a thai follower but mate ur the goods and have got me into it. have u heard any news whether you will be going to japan yet??if yes good luck and all the best!against zam well i suppose pissed was an understatement ha i can understand ur frustration u won that fight and if at the least u deserved a 4th round to finish him off cause he looked stuffed the first time ive ever seen him look for his corner not knowing what to do from ur attacks.will there be a rematch with zam?? if so all the best with that too and when u do beat him donate him a larger pair of shorts if u can.all the best mate.

[Axekick157]

Harls,

That is correct, I was wondering why Baris was wearing them and Alexei not.

Lucy if you noticed not wear the shin guards why didn't you mention anything to the board or judges, maybe they may have pulled Alexei up and asked him to put them on.

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Thanks for all the info PITBULL, can't wait to watch it.

[harls]

I do think Zam's shorts are a little small ie. Warwick Capper style! But to each and their own. Paul C, MT is my favourite style of fighting but I still love to see good fights any rules and the fight between Alexei and Baris was great!! I'm sure most guys who favour MT still love a good fight of any sort. Also I just thought, what about a bout between JWP and Alexei? I think it would be great!!! JWP for my money though.<img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>

[JANER]

Tell me, why did you think Baris lost rounds 1, 2 & 6? He worked ALOT harder and pushed the fight right up to alexie. Apart from a handful of clean legs and punches, he didnt do enough.

I think a draw was just. But I didnt see Baris losing more than 3 rounds! Explain why I might be wrong rather than bagging me...

[Pete M]

most of baris shots were taken on the gloves of alexi and were not scoring shots. baris is very over rated. and i think that he shouldn't fight mike because he would lose very badley.
tarik should get JWP in a rematch under modified thai rules not k1

the Judgement day rules seem to be abit diffrent, with the fighter able to grapple more and catch and sweep the leg. and dumping the fighter to the canvas.

[sethridge]

fair enough paul c , point taken.<img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>

[harls]

I totally agree with you Pete M, Alexei's tight guard blocked the majority of Nezif's punches and he landed many more clean shots, Nezif was also lucky not to receive a count from a clean sweep(another fighter that night got a count for the exact same thing). Baris is over-rated in my opinion. I also like your idea of mod thai rules for a JWP v Zam rematch. What about JWP v Alexei???

[remy]

Why would you need a count for a sweep? He didn't need time to recover. If it happened in another fight on the night, it was perhaps a referee error in the fight the 8 count was given. I never thought Baris was rated that highly in Oz. So how can he be over rated. Just because a few people talk him up on this board, perhaps including myself, doesn't mean he is generally over rated. I thought he had been under rated in the majority of his career.

[JANER]

Remy, well said. I started a post a month ago named "Baris the most under-rated fighter is Australia?". As for the Alexie fight, he was not outclassed. He worked 5 times as hard however his shots werent clean. How many clean shots per round did alexie get? Maybe 5 per round... You cannot say baris is crap as he wasnt hurt at any one stage.

Before the Zambidis fight he was undefeated for 3 yrs... He also put Bruce Mcfie to shame inside one round whom is regarded as a good fighter.
There is no other fighter than Baris Nezif who has gone 12 rounds with zambidis in the WHOLE WORLD.

[paul c]

I still think Baris is a great fighter with the potential of being the best in his weight at kickboxing. But honestly guys, we couldn't expect JWP to be where he is if he only fights once a year, and even then it may be for a round or two in Baris's case. That's my only criticism of Baris as a fighter. Just not enough time in the ring. Undrstandably though, many people have to work full time and support families or can't fight as often because of other commitments. I just hope that we can see Baris as active as what Jenk has been this past 8 months or so. I think we would then see Baris at his best, which is deadly.