Make Fights For Gurkan [Archive] - International Kickboxer Forum

mick

31-12-2002, 11:57 AM

I hear alot of people say that Gurkan can't get fights, It seem that Tarik is behind him 100% why cant they look for fighter overseas.
There are a lot of world champ in Australia And Ozkan will fight at any weight don't these so called champs have to defend there title at some time. I don't know if it can happen but can Gurkan fight people from different santions.
Off the top of my head a few names come to mind like Kara, Corbett, Slowinski, Mckinnon brothers, Nandex, Hallford.
(under kickboxing rules) i am sure that Gurkan is not knocking them back since he took the fight with Stan

K UNEM

31-12-2002, 01:43 PM

CAN HE FIGHT SLOWINSKI AT LHT HEVYWEIGHT???

QUPNCY

31-12-2002, 05:12 PM

no one is putting up a challenge guy's and he has fought overseas!!!
japan milan to name a few so get ur facts straight!! why dont all these great fighters give him the challenge??he's the 5 time world champ do these guys want the title or not???????? he's the champ and he has never dodged a fight and he doesnt mind goin up or down in weight as he has shown!! so stop rambling and u get these so called champs to challenge him halford pulled on him aparently he got hepatitis?????? why dont they lay down the challenge he wont dodge trust me he's an action man that dont talk ****!he proves that in the ring.

mick

02-01-2003, 12:08 PM

Once again don't be so norrow minded (Qupncy). Did any one say he dodged fights? read the article again i am defending Gurkan. What i was trying to say is if challenged them don't they have to fight at some point? So who rambling?. Again i will say i like Gurkan alot and he is a machine, but the way most of his fans act makes him look bad.
So next time read the article properly and come on don't get so wired up every time you see the name GURKAN OZKAN

sooty

02-01-2003, 12:21 PM

With regards to John Hallfords former illness, it was not hepatitis by a bout of Glandular fever.. Which he has recoverd well from.

Cheers
Mark

Sucuk

02-01-2003, 04:50 PM

mick that was a top quote "don't get so wired up".

as for hallford haha hepatitis haha

mick

02-01-2003, 07:03 PM

does any body know if the Gurkan / hallford fight will happen at a later date.

cyb5

03-01-2003, 02:16 AM

hallford vs ozkan has to happen.

John wants it. pretty much more than anything i would imagine.

ANd John has challenged ozkan many time previous and after there boxing bout.

but the fight never evntuated.

hhhmmmmmmmm...............?????????????

sooty

03-01-2003, 11:09 AM

John is ready to get it on again with Gurkan,, anytime he or Tarik are ready. This would make for a top fight! John is walking around at 82 kgs, and feels very strong, although with the training that is required to compete at the top level he would have no problem coming in at fight weight wether its 76 to 80kgs. We can only sit & hope eh! If it does not happen, we wish Gurkan all the best.

Cheers
Mark

QUPNCY

04-01-2003, 02:42 PM

all of u are quick to talk but where are the challenges guys????
gurkan is the 5 time world champ why should he have to chase fights?
u all bring up names hallford mckinnons slowinski.Y DONT THEY CHALLENGE???lets be real get them to challenge as gurk's wont deny any of them a shot!that is a fact and he has proven that!

sooty

04-01-2003, 03:15 PM

Their is not much chance of gaining a fight with Gurkan if we challenge him, because it is really Tarik who says yes or no, because the shows are his. We [ just like everyone else ] have to just wait in line as well. But at the end of the day, Tarik knows John is willing [ and from our point of view "very able" ]

cheers
Mark

paul c

04-01-2003, 03:56 PM

I don't know what Gurkan's plans are after the Stan fight, but I'd like to see Tarik take Gurkan to his full potential.

Yes, I'd like to see him fight John Hallford, but then I'd like to see Gurkan clearly dominate his true weight division globally.

Again, I think the Stan fight is great for all of us spectators, and I'll be there soaking up the atmosphere. But all this heavy-weight stuff seems to be taking up good time that Gurkan could be using to fight the oversees opponents that we had hi hopes of seeing here in the Super Middle tourny's. Once he retires, I'd like to see him going down in the history books as the absolute king of his division. Undisputed by anyone with similiar records oversees. I believe this is possible for him, I just hope that Tarik can make it happen for him.

QUPNCY

04-01-2003, 04:45 PM

sooty sooty sooty!mate u wanna make a challenge to and u think tarik will say yes or no how about doin it the old fashioned way get hallford at a fight when his intended opponent is there and get it out in the open if u say he really wants it that bad do what ellis did with mundine or tai and ozkan mate if hallford wants the fight y dont he come and get it?????

Pete M

04-01-2003, 07:58 PM

why doesn't gurkan fight
steve mckinnon.
i reackon that would be a hell sik fight
if the right money was offered i'm sure it could be arranged.

QUPNCY

04-01-2003, 09:16 PM

pete m who is the champ i ask?? s m should be making the challenge
im sure sven ottke wasnt chasing to fight mundine!mundine wanted a shot at a title and sven put him down on his high talking ass just as gurk's would do to steve so put the challenge in steve and even put up some money if he is so confident he can win y shouldnt there be a high tag he wants to fight a world champ put up the offers!

cyb5

05-01-2003, 01:09 AM

john is a 3 time world champion.

he would be a perfect match for ozkan.

its not john who is stopping the fight going ahead. its tarik solak and ozkan.

all tarik has to do is call john and the answer is yes.
and as sooty as pointed out they are tariks shows.
tarik ****s me. he has no problem ringing john to ask if could fight tskanous (sorry spelling is bad) when gurkan pulled out. the only reason tarik even asked then is caused he had just about every fight on that show changed, and was stuck. same show mike zambidis fought krongsak lek. i think ?
but he wont dial those simple numbers to match him with gurkan.

i mean how often is john even be asked to appear on a tarik show.? sooty?

when he stopped amir for his first world tittle. then not for a long time after like last year. when tarik was stuck as mentioned above.

then he was matched with gurkan to fight in sydney. but john was sick. twice in how many years ?

i think its about time we saw more of john fight, not just on tarik promotions but any where.

politics will/is crippliing our sport.

QUPNCY

05-01-2003, 01:45 AM

hallford is the one doin the dodgeing gurkan is fighting heavyweights for gods sake!hallford is in his ally and not taking up the offer.there are no super middleweights making a challenge!!so get all ur facts straight y would gurkan go and risk a career fighting heavy's i keep askin cause no super mid's are doing any offering!fact my friend.

mick

05-01-2003, 06:43 PM

Hallford doesn't have to dodge Gurkan. i reckon Hallford would beat Gurkan. But remember there are alot of politics in kickboxing. As you say Qupncy Gurkan is world champ, he is the one that picks and chooses the fights. Perfect example Tarik said himself that the judgeing with the Baris/Alexi fight was bad, i bet Baris still the the shot at Zambidis title and Alexi will have to wait in line, even though the whole country thinks that alexi won...
Come on Janer, Qupncy make up a excuse for this one..

Sucuk

05-01-2003, 07:11 PM

John Hallford pulled out of the last fight.

Pete M

05-01-2003, 07:51 PM

john opulled out due to illness
no ones fault.
i'd like to see those to get it on.
with john winning by stunning first round knockout.(lol, yeh right)

i do want john to win
but it would be a war, with the surpreme fighting machine taking no backward steps.

oxymoron

05-01-2003, 09:17 PM

Ozkans time is nearly over!!!!!
Tarik had better find some new talent as he has ridden on the Ozkan gravy train long enough and the track is running out.
I think Mckinnon,Slowinsky and Hallford are waiting for their chance to retire Ozkan. Oh hang on. Ian Jacobs already did that.

QUPNCY

06-01-2003, 12:33 AM

bring em all on guys y dont they challenge simple????period!he has not said no to anyone!!!!! get them at a fight as i said and do it the old way get in the ring and make it public if u think gurk's is dodgeing! stop makin excuses for mckinnon slowinski ansd hallford if they want it come and get it CHALLENGE!!u guys **** me u say he dodges he has never denyed a fight to anyone
are hallford mckinnon slowinski fighting heavyweight cause they cant get a fight or is gurk's they would get smashed against them bring on the challenges guys or get them to and stop talkin ****!!!!

QUPNCY

06-01-2003, 12:38 AM

as for u mick baris hasent hardly fought basically since he fought zam on the last show even i could have gone the rounds with him and im recovering from a back op! i didnt say he looked good i agreed that alexyi should have won but baris is far from his best and needs a few more fights b4 the rematch he is not ready! no excuse ok mick!
as for alexyi fighting zam well alexyi couldnt beat chopper so how will he go against zam??? and jwp beat chopper as well who went on to fight zam think b4 u type mick!

sooty

06-01-2003, 10:51 AM

Hey QUPNCY
Mate geez bud, settle settle!, this is not life or death here, As i stated, John would love a rematch, but neither would he be too stressed if it never ever happens.

We are not interested in flying down to Melbourne to jump into the ring to personally challenge Gurkan, we find this type of action is not only bloody expensive, but can backfire when (a) the challenge can be thrown straight back into Johns face in front of the OZ xcommunity watching live and on Fox, and (b) The fight is excepted on the night but never really was a consideration by Tarik & co. So this type of action may not be the best course.

May i just add to those who said John is either afraid or pulled out for no good reason, geeez guys get real eh, at this level of fighting Fear is not really an emotion that lifts its head up too often, most of the posters here know that that to compete sick is not a very professional attitude to have, so it goes without saying that a bout ( 2 bouts actually ) with Glandular Fever is not favourable by anyone.

Cheers
Mark

QUPNCY

09-01-2003, 11:59 AM

sooty its pretty cheap to fly down these days isnt it with all the price wars get real ellis wanted a fight and he got up in the ring and made a challenge and mundine accepted!!!when mundine said himself he would only fight someone that would get him closer to a world title!ellis was far from that but it showed if a challenge is made u have to do it old fashion style and get in there!danny green has only made offers on the side and mundine is dodgeing him if he were to do what ellis did he would get a fight too lets be real!which fighter would refuse a fight when it is live on tv and at a sell out crowd?noone!tai challenged gurkan and he got in the ring and fairly accepted and i believe it was at a show in moorabin stop making excuses for john or the mckinnons and get em down here cause remember ozkan has the title belts!!not them.bring on the challenges sooty!

QUPNCY

09-01-2003, 12:03 PM

lets also remember that ozkan fought on the aus vs thai night against doctors orders both from peter lewis and prof . kay that he could seriously be injured for life if he were to fight on the night but what happened he went out there and was amongst the best of the aussies to put on a fight which shows me that he not only has balls of steel but he has a heart bigger than a lion and one never to give up!

QUPNCY

14-01-2003, 06:12 PM

i see none of u hallford slowinski and mckinnon fans have not posted back why i ask??? is it because i have stated the truth where r the challenges?anyone can talk tough out of the ring why dont they prove it in the ring where they are supposed to!

mick

14-01-2003, 06:48 PM

how can we make the challenges. I think that gurkan would beat the mckinnons, gut with Slowvinski and Hallford it would be a different story.
and Qupncy, as for your other comment ( think before you type) chopper did beat alexi, that don't mean ****. Cope beat Zam first round than lost to Jenk. All i am saying is that not every body get a shot at the big boys. You need alot more than just talent in this sport you need connections.
I am not hoving a go at you ( this time), but are you a fighter yourself Qupncy.

QUPNCY

14-01-2003, 07:00 PM

ELBOW CUT TO THE TOP OF THE HEAD IF U REMEMBER HAD TO STOP B/C OF BLEEDING HE WASNT BEATING ZAM!so think b4 u type!

Pete M

14-01-2003, 07:05 PM

qupncy

if you are talking about the cope zam fight it wasn't an elbow it was a knee.

why carn't tarik bring in people from overseas. there has to be good fighters from Europe
that would give hhim a run for his money Etc..

mick

14-01-2003, 08:00 PM

But cope won. and the records show that regardless of how it happend.
arn't you sick of making excusess for people.

Pete M

14-01-2003, 10:32 PM

it just seems abit stupid for Gurkan to stack on weight to fight the heavy weights. Surely there are other Supermiddle weight fighters on this planet, who would fight Gurkan. Tarik just doesn't want to bring them here.

i mean if gurkan wants to roid up an hit heavy weights, thats fine but why doesn't he fight GOOD heavy weights (expect Peter Graham, thats guys awsome)

why not Adam watt under k1 rules instead of "above the waist"
if he is so confident why doesn't he fight the guys on the k1 heavy weight circuit like Mark hunt, Peter Artes etc...

another question.
if Gurkan is so proud to fight for OZ (as he posted in another thread)
than why does he come out with the turkish stuff?

Janer i think you can answer that question, you seem to be the biggest ozkan fan around (not paying you out)

remy

14-01-2003, 11:07 PM

Cause he likes to remember where he came from and is proud of where he cam from. He was born in Turkey and came to oz when he ws about 18 or something. When he has fought overseas he has flown the australian flag. i believe he did in the k-3 as well. He often came out with both flags. He gets huge support from Turkish migrants, and there is nothing wrong with remembering your heritage.

allanf

14-01-2003, 11:13 PM

damm right!! its really good to see him commming out with both flags, he has alot of respect, and i thought i heard that Gurkan is staying the same weight as he is. Not long to go for the big one. Go GURKAN!!!

QUPNCY

15-01-2003, 01:46 AM

who said anything about roiding up pete m???????? he is the only fighter out there with heart and does everything by the book if u roid up u can never go bak to ur weight as he did so what r u talking about? as for his "turkish" label he was born there so what do u expect him to fight under he is a very proud person both of turkey and of australia and when he fights he gives his all for both!

QUPNCY

15-01-2003, 01:49 AM

as for u mick u r making excuses for hallford mckinnons and slowinski
saying that gurk's is dodgeing which is untrue!get ur facts straight mate.

mick

15-01-2003, 11:18 AM

God Qupncy you are a norrow minded ****head. When did i say Ozkan dodged fights? Just for you i will explain it again. All these guy's are pro's i am shore that most of them wouldn't dodge fights. I said that therre is alot of politics in the sport and this means that the some of the fights we would like to see we don't.
I only give my opinion on who i think will win, i can't speak for the fighters and i don't make excusses for them if they lose like you do.
Hallford is in good shapeso i would like to see him fight Gurkan next.
And Slowvinski has beaten the likes of Corbett, Mckinnons, Dalton Nokweed, so this is why i think he should have a go.
As for Steve Mckinnion he should wait in line because he was ko'd by Slowvinski.
Come on All you fight fans ( especically Qupncy) Zam, Hallford, Slowvinski, and Gurkan are the fighters i like to watch, but did you hear me say at any time that they will destroy anybody. No. Because i have a open mind, and every fighter has a punchers chance.
i spose that you think that Kostya is scared od Gurkan as well.

JANER

15-01-2003, 12:25 PM

Quote from Pete M: "i mean if gurkan wants to roid up an hit heavy weights, thats fine but why doesn't he fight GOOD heavy weights (expect Peter Graham, thats guys awsome)"

Gurkan has fought the following heavyweights:

- Phil Fagan
- Chris Christopolidis
- Paul Robinson
- Peter Graham
- Adam Watt

and he will be fighting the world best kickboxer of all time, Stan The Man.

Also pete, Ozkan Tried to qualify for the k1 a few years back so he did have intentions on fighting someone "good". It wasnt fair to say that he hasnt fought anyone good. He has fought AUSTRALIAS best heavyweights.

For once your not paying me out! lol But like Remy said, Ozkan wont forget his roots. He was in the turkish army and you cant forget the army in turkey! He has alot of pride for himself and you can now see he respects australia 100% by waving the flag when he fights overseas. As for Mr Jenk Behic, you have seen what a loser he was when he apologized for using the turkish flag (why use it in the first place?). Ozkan does wave it proud. And I also know Tarik is passionate about his nationality and also likes to show his people what he has achieved. I knew Tarik as one of the boys and now he has done well. The flag for Ozkan and Tarik represents what they have achieved to there community. At the same time they know Australia gave them the oppurtunities.

And as for Ozkan dodging fights, it is so not true. Believe me. I have been around when fighters have rejected fights and I have seen the disapointment on Ozkans face.

QUPNCY

15-01-2003, 03:43 PM

very true janer so many have call off fights against gurkan it becomes frustrating when u do it for a living and people keep pulling out!! he offered to shed acouple for the k1 max boys no one offered!what do u want him to do?? as for politics thats just crap they wanna fight put the challenge down and ozkan will accept no questions asked thats a fact!and u should all know that by what he has achieved.mike i didnt mean to dirrectly offend so u get my appology mate but u stated what u stated as janer quoted previously but at the end of the day its just a forum and we obviously love the sport if we r on here so sorry mate if u took it to heart.

Pete M

15-01-2003, 05:28 PM

janer
i hear what your saying
but stan is past it the bloke is like 38 yrs old plus.
as for those fighters you mentioned, the heavy weights
they ain't that good (except Adam watt)
non of them fight on the k1 heavy weight scene.

Qupncy, what do you mean once you get off the "juice"
you can't go back to your normal weight
what bull****!
i'm not saying he hasn't fourght any one good.
i'm not saying that.
i was stateing that it doesn't seem right for there to be no other supermiddle weight fighters on this planet to fight.

QUPNCY

15-01-2003, 06:21 PM

age dont have nothin to do with it pete m if u r an elite athelite holyfeild is still going not his best but still there in his 40's i believe yet where the sport is soo competitive in america or soccer players in english premier league who r in their late 30's and mixing it with guys half their age and representing at country level!what does stans age have anything to do with it?remember stan made the choice to come back and have 3 fights no one begged him!so he must know what he is doing further more as many have said he is the greatest ever aussie kickboxer well if thats the case y make excuses for him he should do just fine but we will really see on feb 17 wont we. anyhow there is only a few years difference between the 2 so stuff age i cant wait to see it get on. as for the "juice" situation mate go and speak to people that know about iot then talk

Pete M

15-01-2003, 08:17 PM

buy you replying with that
proves to me that you really don't know much about
the stuff "juice" or anything that involes the body

QUPNCY

15-01-2003, 08:21 PM

i do mate i know people who r on it and people who have got off it so i do know do u?

Pete M

15-01-2003, 08:44 PM

there was a guy at my gym (abit before my time)
he was a body builder he weighed 90 kilos on the juice
when he he stoped that and started to fight train he came back down
he fourght at 58kiols, thats what he weight before the riods and after he stoped.

gurkan ozkan is the perfect example of this he weighted between 75-77/78 kilos. than he hit the gear, went to heavy weight and come back down.

it;'s a fact mate. i'm sorry if your love for ozkan has blinded you to the truth

JANER

15-01-2003, 08:58 PM

Pete M, that is physically impossible man! haha Im not bagging you but you must be pulling our leg?

How can a guy with a natural frame of 58kg then add 32kg to reach 90kg and not die? Your spinnin that one! lol

Adam Watt, Phil Fagan, Peter Graham and Stan the man are surely mad fighters. If Gurkan beat Fagan he would of faced MArk Hunt, so your saying Gurks purposely lost so he wouldnt fight hunt? Be fair man.

Pete M

15-01-2003, 09:07 PM

i'm serious janer
he now lives in queensland
ans is some champion up there.

QUPNCY

15-01-2003, 10:44 PM

yea a champion of bull****! u cant do it in the time that gurkan did it anyway so get ur facts straight!its impossible and ozkan only went up 13 kg to fight at 92kg if we all recall.and ive just spoken to a friend who is a body builder (natural) and who has a masters degree in sports phisiology and nutritionist and it is a load of crap what u just stated so what r u trying to spin??
physically impossible it would take years!!! years i add.gurkans weight was changed in a year honest change

John K

16-01-2003, 03:14 AM

It was way less than a year. It was only a few months, if that, if memory serves me. I personally dont even think its a big deal that he was on the juice, a huge percentage of fighters have been on something or other at some stage. The kickboxing industry is not crystal clean neither are the majority of other sports. Thats the way the sports world is these days guys and your kidding yourself if u say its not so.