Parr vs Mike, what did you think?

[Pete M]

i personally thought jwp won it.
sure zam had big shots but so did parr
and he out scored him in the knee department.
but i would have been better to see an extra round.
i think this was the first fight that mike has really been tested and he had to dig deep, which showed that he is human after all.
and he is not this super machine that everyone makes him out to be.

[paul c]

I would have to have ruled it a draw, I honestly don't think I could have given the last rnd to either fighter, they were both so good.

Hopefully we'll see them both in Japan.

[Servant]

Originaly I thought draw, after watching it again I would go 1st to Parr, 2nd and 3rd JUST to Zambides. Still unbelievably close. Still could swing either way. One thing to point out is you could see Mike had to dig deep when he was tired. I wondered if he had the heart to do that in a gruelling fight, he answered that question.

[da GhOsT]

jwp got ripped off that is that!!!!!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

[Andrew P]

No way can I say its a rip off. It was simply way too close to call it a rip off either way. Both guys unloaded awesome shots. I would not have had a problem had either of them gotten the nod. Ths time it was Zambidis. Draw was probably the way to go. But not a rip off or a clear cut win either way. There have been decisions countless times "worse" than that boys!

[shacols]

if i can express my opinion as a couch potato.i thought it was about points,clean shots and heart.i honestly think that jwp won the fight.not to take anything away from iron mike,it was a great fight and he had to dig deep to continue everyone could see that,awesome heart but he didnt win .

[apl]

What a f#cking joke, JWP won that fight. Tarik is a Turk F#ck, I am sick if these bullsh#t decisions at Tarik "Don King" Solak promotions and that Micheal Schivello is a ****head who can't call a fight.
The whole fight was Zambidis this, Zambidids that, even though half his puches landed on JWP gloves.
When is Tarik going to learn to speak proper English,he speaks like he just stepped off the boat and Zambidis the Greek F*ck should learn English as well as he fights in Australia and cannot utter a word of English.

APL

[sethridge]

APL!!!!!!!!! you tha man. Shivello is a ****er i cant stand his commentry! i dont know how the hammer " who is a great commentater" puts up him. Zambidis this Zambidis that what about JWP. JWP bashes him the whole round Zambidis lands overhand right and he gives the round to Zambidis. Come on mike get your tounge out of tariks ass!

[sethridge]

SORRY HARLS i dont have any tapes. last tuesday phons show was on fox did you catch it?

[JANER]

-Tarik was born in Turkey and cant read but is a millionaire.
-Schiavello has gone from writing little editorials to hosting a show.
-Michael Zambidis is the worlds best kickboxer.

What can you take away from these guys?

As for not knowing english, the are surely more succesful than you in a country of different language. How do you feel that people from overseas are better than you? Seriously why bag them cause they dont meet your standard? All three mentioned people deserves all the respect they get and are proud of what they have achieved. One little dodgy decision and the worlds over... imagine it was over!!!!

[Andrew P]

What kind of moron brings racism onto these boards? apl, where does it say you have to speak english to fight in austraia? Do you hav to speak Japanese to fight in Japan, or Italian to fight in Italy, or Dutch to fight in Holland? Your probably a mat of JWP having a little cry. As for trashing Sciavello, even the Hammer who you baggers are saying is the best said the fight was a DRAW in his opinion!

[shacols]

i have to agree with janer and andrew,those guys copping some flack have some extraordinary acheivements and its good for them.
i too am a big fan of jwp,im not a friend of his ,he wouldnt know i exist,but i was very upset with the decision the judges award.i think apl was just blowing off steam.i have many friends of different origins and in the heat of a situation they all seem to come across to hate this dumb skip for saying or doing that or that stupid turk or wog or whatever,but in the end the things said werent actually personal insults.

[John K]

It was close and Zambidis won. Build a bridge and get over it.

[shacols]

i must be in the wrong place.i thought this was sportsblitz forum hang on it is.maybe you should let me know what i can and cant discuss

[apl]

Maybe I am blowing off steam, but I am sick of these bull**** decisions and I don't appreciate being called a racist.
JWP clearly won the fight and thats the bottom line and Im just simply stating the facts when I call Tarik a Turk because thats what he is, so why is that racist.
And as for Schivello he simply calls fights based on who he likes or who Tarik likes, we have seen this on many occasions. Take for example when Briggs fought Ozkan, Briggs was clearly winning the fight but the way Schivello was calling it you would think Ozkan was winning every single round its too much he goes to far with the bull****. Mark the hammer is a legend and knows what he is talking whereas Schivello has possibly taken more hits then the internet.

[bob]

i am a huge fan of stan and a big fan of minny me.maybe its because i have a greek background but its also the fact they are both great fighters.when i look at a fight i put all that aside and judge the fight the way it is.the way i saw the fight was 1rnd.parr.2nd rd zambidis just.3rd rd parr he clearly outscored zambidis.its as if every punch zam gave, parr had to score three to equalize according to the judges.this is obvious why,zam is more marketable which means more money for tarik.imagine no greeks attending tariks promotions.also i must comment on stan translating zams speach that was hilarious,it wasnt what he was saying at all.anyway go stan ill be there to see you defeat gurkan by the way of knockout.

[Sucuk]

apl ill give you that last sentence cause its funny. Hammer is the most jealous prick you will ever hear call a figt. you think schiavello is bad, hear the dopey, un-educated crap that comes out of that tall dope. he only mimicks what schiavello says he also reminds me of stallone ohhh deerrr ohh adriaannnnn

[Dannyboy]

I have now watched the fight 5 times, for mine it was 1st. round John Wayne, 2nd. round Zambidis and 3rd round just Wayne by a whisker due to his last connecting punch combination before the bell.
But like most educated and experienced people who post topics here it really was as close as fights get, it can happen anywhere depending on what the judges at the particular fight like and score higher, because the fight was in Melbourne one or two of the judges probably liked Zambidis boxing better than Waynes knees.
In any case I think we all want to see it again this time over 5 rounds and not in an elimination promotion so they are both fresh.
After I say this all Zambidis' supports will be bagging me saying blah, blah, but really, those 'shorts' he wears really arent doing him or the sport any good, thats just the word I get from outsiders who havent really paid attention to kickboxing, their like.."whats going on with his shorts??"

[rebel]

lol! How does a pair of shorts do bad for the sport?? Thats an original bagging, I give you that!:)

[Andrew P]

hey apl, you don't appreciate being called a racist and you want to know what was so bad about what you said?

"Tarik is a Turk f**k"
"Zambidis the Greek f**K"

You feel the need to call people insulting words preceded by the country of their origin. Does that make it clear for you? Or is this acceptable in your book? If yours is the typical view of JWP fans who are just "letting off some steam", then I am glad he lost.

[JANER]

AndrewP, well said.

[JANER]

hahahahahahahah The shorts are bad for kickboxing? lol That means more chicks will be at the event!!! My girlfriend has been wanting to go watch zambidis the last 5 fights... I pretented I was sick and told her i stayed at home... haha Girls get off that man! Zam has a mad physique and I dont want to sound like a ****, but its a bit of sex appeal for the ladies!

Imagine Zam wearing mark hunts shorts!!! What a funny look that would be <img src=icon_smile_clown.gif border=0 align=middle>

I reckon Zam would say, EAT MY SHORTS!:)

(the post by dannboy is the the most hilarious I have ever seen)

[JANER]

sorry to post again, but I still cant get over dannyboys post! Its awesome! hahaha He should be a comedian man. LMAO!!!

[Steve]

For mine -

1st round - JWP convincingly
2nd round - Mike fairly clearly
3rd round - JWP just

Watched it a couple of times, and haven't changed my mind.
BTW the 2 semis, nandex and final were great fights!

Steve

Thanks Pete M got the package

[rebel]

My 2 cents is i give the last two rounds to Zambidis. The 3rd is hard to pick but I give it to Zambidis only slightly becaue even though they both landed i felt he did a shade more and was busier throughout. But you can't argue with saying JwP could have got the last round...or possibly even! Too close to argue either way!



Edited by - rebel on 22 Dec 2002 12:31:23

[apl]

Im not racist just telling it how its is, deal with it. Im from an ethnic background myself and have friends from all different countries.
JWP GOT RIPPED OFF

APL

[rebel]

guys I dont mean to add fuel to the fire but APL, calling people a slanderous name based on where they come from is offensive and childish just because you don't agree with the decision. It's not the best way to make a point, and even though i am not Greek or Turkish, I thought it was offensive and know exactly what I would think if I was.

[apl]

Rebel,
It wasn't meant too offend like I said in an earlier post I was blowing of a bit of steam from a bull**** decision. I apoligise to all that may have been offended buy my comments.

APL

[JWP]

I know everyone scores the fight differently but I think I won the first two rounds and to be nice maybe a draw in the last round. In Muay Thai they score things different but even with K-1 rules were a punch is equal to a knee, I still think I landed the more telling blows.
I think the best way to watch the final fight is to turn off the sound and just watch the fight as it is without the commentry.
Everytime Zambidis lands a shot Schiavello has a orgasm and doesn't see me hit him at all.
In the end it was one of my best nights of fighting and one of my greatest achivments so far. I hope everyone enjoyed to fox coverage on Friday night. My last fight with Goto will be shown on Fox again January 10th on the Boonchu cup. That was also a great night of fights with every boxer giving it there all.
Thanks to everyone for your support this year. I wish everyone a merry Christams and a happy 2003. Be safe this holidays.
John Wayne Parr

[JANER]

APL, GO F U C K YOURSELF. Im turk and dont go using race as a form of steaming it off! No apology accepted. Just watch what you say. Forgotton but not forgiven.

As for JWP V ZAM, it is close to call and the decision is just. There have been many scorecards which have been exageratted by a fighter taking 4 or more rounds. This fight was only 1 round in it. So stop the fussin' if you look at the bigger scale.

[Pete M]

jwp
are you going to japan as well?
and is mike the hardest puncher
you have fourght
i have watch the fight many times
and when ever you had him in the grapple you landed
4-5 scoring knees.

i don't understand why you would bag mike out not being able to speak english, i mean he is 100% greek.
the guy is only 23 and has achived more in this sport than 90%
of us hope to ever achieve.

[apl]

JWP,
Well said we all know who really won the fight, I really think Schivello calls the fight very onesided and didn't do a good job commentating the scoring knees/punches you were throwing.
All the best JWP.

Attn JANER,
If you don't wont to accept my apology thats fair enough but don't tell me to watch what I say, Go f*ck yourself!!!

APL

[JANER]

everyone has critisized your posts so that in it self tells you to think before you say or write as it does and can offend others. I wasnt warning you I was educating you! ZERO marks for you boy! lol

[Pete M]

if you don't like the hammer and schivallo
commentating the fight
don't watch it
i think they do a sik job
the whole fox sports doe a good job of bringing us these shows.

[harls]

Every time I watch this fight, I see it slightly different- JWP easily in the first, JWP by a whisker in the 2nd(so close), JWP again by a whisker in the 3rd(so close again). I always watch close fights a couple of times with no volume to give myself a better look without a noise distraction, so take JWP's advice and give it a try. You will notice the difference. I think Judges should wear headphones too, to block out the crowd noise, crowd bias can certainly affect their decisions! AS for SUCUK, what gives you the impression that Mark's a "jealous prick?" Jealous of what? He is a great caller and he often corrects Micheal, so I don't know how you think he mimiks Micheal. As for un-educated and dopey, Mark has 3 other jobs besides commentating and is definately not stupid. You obviously don't know the man personally. As for yourself, don't go calling other people un-educated and dopey if you yourself cannot spell or use proper grammer. <img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>

[Sucuk]

hammer he always bags tariks fighters and never puts in a good word for ozkan I MEAN NEVER that jelous c unt and is a real dope schiavello is the man and as for my spelling im sorry if i cant spell but i am a physics lecturer at melbourne uni so i dont care about how to spell on a little pissy kickboxing forum not knowing A1 grammar doent make you a dope. you gotta take dope first...

[Dynamite Drew]

firstly , i havent seen the fight

you all need to remember something , watching it on tape and watching live and scoring are 2 very different things

judges can only score what they see at the time and dont have the benefit of replays and slow motion reply

so why the hell are you all bagging the judges ???
Judging by everyones comments it was a close fight and it seems like it wasnt like one guy was so much more dominant than the other so why cant you accept the decision ?

as for liking / disliking commentators -- ever considered turning the volume off ???

cheers
Drew

[Brept]

Jwp won at least 2 rounds how can you win 2 out of 3 rounds and lose the fight im still very confused JWP IS THE MAN

[harls]

Spot on Brept! I don't know how either, I'm confused too!<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>

[harls]

Also Sucuk, if you watch and listen to the replay of the Ozkan V Watt fight, Mark compliments Gurkan on his in and out fight strategy and his evading of high roundhouse kicks. But hang on, he has NEVER said a good word about Ozkan...

[sooty]

I dont know what fight the judges were watching!.. But it seemed to me that JWP was the better worker,, even after the fight he wasn't even blowing, if he was he sure did not show it.

Lets face it... knees "must" score well as opposed to a head punch ( with the exception of the punch which cracks the head around), Mike caught JWP a few times with them " but" they did not slow Wayne down at all, he just took em and replyed with 10 knees to Mikes 1 landing punch??? Go figure that one. I know that they say that punch's do not score higher than knees in the K1 format, but are one and the same. Well if thats the case why did they not give Wayne a higher % of the rounds?

We all seem to like Mikes style and his approach to his bouts, but lets be fair where it is due. JWP was the better worker, he was the better kicker, better Knee fighter, responded almost instantly when Mike put a few on him and he also looked much fitter.. So its a pity that just dues were not payed to him!

Cheers
Mark

[harls]

Couldn't have put it better myself Sooty. Credit should be given where credit is due! In this case it wasn't.<img src=icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle>

[paul c]

For those of you that didn't get to see it on Fox,
I'm just digitizing it so we can all watch it and then discuss certain aspects.

That way, we can then argue at 1:52 of the second round Parr did this, or mike outscored because of that etc.

I'll post a link as soon as my computer finishes the quicktime codec.

[paul c]

http://home.iprimus.com.au/cavka/

[JKLA]

Saw the fight live, and watched on foxtel. I am a Zam fan but thought JWP was hard done, as he did enough and the fight should have been a draw by minimum. But, looking at the fight closely, it is fair to say that several of JPW's knees actually landed on Zams guard. JWP did had the higher work rate without a doubt and landed some great combos, but Zam also looked close to knocking JWP down, as some clean hits in the 2nd and 3rd made him a little wobbly. However I dont know if this was enough to secure the fight for Zam in this instance.
The main thing I would like to comment on, which no one has addressed yet is the appauling results from the judges and how they scored the fight!!!! One of the judges scored the fight 30 points to Zam , when JWP CLEARLY won the first round. People here on this forum blame Tarik which is not right. When Tarik's fighter won in Sunshine earlier this year when he should have lost, Tarik was the first to enter the ring and admit that the decision was wrong. Further more Tarik also stated that he will try to get JWP to Japan, as he well deserves it. Therefore, maybe lets direct our anger towards the these judges and question their credibility.
Cheers
JKLA

[robdiep]

i watched the fight a few times.. JWP won the first and third round.. ZAM did put up a good fight though.. but i dont think he deserved to win.. it should of been a draw.. and go an extra round..

BTW.. i thought you have to part of oceania to compete in K1 MAX to qualify to go to japan.. meaning you have to be Aussie, PNG, NZ etc..
how did ZAM even get eligible to enter the tournament cause he's not even part of oceania??.. he's from greece.. i think tarik is not thinkin about the fighters but only about how ZAM can make more money for him.. it's bad for the sport..

no offence to ZAM.. cause he's a kick ass fighter.. i hope he will knock out baris again..

just my 2 cents

[JANER]

How can Zam knock out Baris AGAIN if he hasnt done it before?

[Steve]

Janer,

I think you will find on Baris & Mike's record that the loss - TKO or ref's stoppage, registers as a KO loss or win. It's obvious with the TKO, but I am sure it is also so with a ref's stoppage, in how it appears on the record.

Steve