OZKAN never KO'd?

[krama]

Guys, first up I must STATE that I love OZkan as a fighter, and thanks to his very honorable speaches, as a person, you know when Ozkan is on you will get value for money and a great fight. So I am NOT an Ozkan hater or critic.
But I have a few queries - many of you state Ozkan has never been 'stopped' or ko'd etc, but Ozkan has been dropped plenty of times, whether through injury etc I'm not sure, but here a a few that come to mind:
* Elson dropping him in Sydney a few years ago with Tarik stating he will "never train anyone again - and he was personally humiliated on the night" - same night that Shane Starr completely destroyed and brutally KO'd Kanj
* The Thai fighter with knees' I fully understand and respect Ozkans response to this, but fact is he did get in the ring and the Thai got through Ozkans early barrage and laid some serious damage himself
* The english fighter (Can't remember his name at the moment) who played with Ozkan for a few rounds and then ripped a few great shots forcing Hedgecock to stop the fight
* Christopolides stopping him with a knee during a top 8 heavy tournamnet on the same night we first saw the amazing ZAM in Melbourne, and Ozkan actually fell out of the ring.

Again I'm not knocking Ozkan, but he has had a few upsets just like many other great fighters, including Stan the Man, so lets cut out the 'Ozkan is invincible' talk and accept he is human and can feel pain like all others.
By the way -i am yet to be convinced the fight against Stan and Ozkan does not have a 'staged' element to it,

[JWP]

That was Trevor Ambrose the English guy.

[remy]

He didn't fall out of the ring, he was kneed then pushed out. I think what they mean by never knocked out is they have been referee stops and not counted out on the floor. ie TKO not KO.

[QUPNCY]

against trevor ambrose he actually got his discs damaged from a kick so thats y it had to be stopped

[QUPNCY]

u cant judge christopolidis as a fighter he just forced gurkan out of the ring big and sloppy fighter

[mick]

have another look at the fight with chris chrishopilitis. he was out cold. he my have got the wind knocked out of him but he was unconious..
by the way all you people that say ozkan will ko stan, are you willing to put your money where your mouth is.
i'am willing to take bets if any body can find a secure way to do it...
ANY TAKERS

[remy]

Mick, I think you may have it confused. Gurkan wasn't unconcious from a knee to the body. You would require a head blow to become unconcious in a fight.

[JANER]

FACTS:

Ozkan V Ambrose - Hegdecock was ozkans trainer at the time and he got too emotionally involved and cared Toooo much for ozkan and he stopped it before ozkan would get alot more hurt. There was nothing wrong with ozkan and he just left his hand on the rope to draw ambrose in. But hedgecock thought he was tired and unfit for further aciton. It WASNT a knock down.

Ozkan V Fatsopolous(christo or whatever) - That was not a knock down. Fatso pushed him out of the ring and gurks aggrevated his neck as it twisted. You can see CLEARLY on the reply it wasnt a knee to the held but rather a light tap to his ribs. Bryce birdwhistles should of stopped that fight much earlier as fatsopolous was taking more battering than a crabstick! It was not a knock down nor a knock out.

Ozkan V thai fighter- Ozkan was not meant to fight due to a risk by a doctor. however he still stepped in but hurt his neck and and had to RETIRE HURT. he was clearing winning the fight and had put an 8 count on his fighter. It was no knock down nor a knock out.

The last 3 fights I Mentioed detailed that ozkan has NOT been knocked out!!

****ANd that is proof and word from Ozkans mouth!!!****

(i forgot to ask about the elson fight)

[mick]

How many fights you been in Remy?
You don't need to have a head shot to be ko'd.
And Janer i agree fatso was about to go to sleep, but it was a dam good knee to the body.

This is to all you Ozkan fans out there. I think that he is a machine but you all may as all get on your knees a have a lick of his Turkish Delight. Go Gurks, Go Gurks, Go Gurks

NO DISREPECT TO GURKAN

It great to support your favorate fighter, but also to have a open mind.

[JANER]

We are only stating the truth buddy... How is that licking his but?

[spycrack]

It is because you guys defend him blindly....eg. Qupncy who said "against trevor ambrose he actually got his discs damaged from a kick so thats y it had to be stopped". yeah exactly it got stopped fair and square, Trevor ambrose was the better fighter on the night, so give credit where credit is due. Ambrose was ahead on points and toying with Ozkan.

I agree Ozkan is a great kickboxer. But you must acknowledge his losses. Almost all fighters will make excuses as to why they lost or got stopped, but these excuses are not always genuine. Peter Graham would have stopped him if his corner hadn't thrown in the towel as wouldve ambrose.

[remy]

Mick, your still confused. You stated "unconscious" which is not the same word as "KO." Have you been unconcious from a body shot? Ozkan didn't get knocked unconscious. I think you may have mistaken the meaning of "unconcious" and "KO."
KO does not = unconscious

[JANER]

SPYCRACK, the thread is named "gurkan never ko'd" not never been stopped.

GURKAN HAS "NEVER" BEEN KNOCKED OUT.

[remy]

I think people are also confused with the difference between a knockdown and a knockout.

[HHH]

This question is for the user "mick". Are you the guy that I saw DESTROY! Tama Tahuna at the Discovery Nightclub (In Darwin) around 6 months ago in the main event? If so, then **** you can fight!!!!
Not taking anything away from Tama, he is a great fighter.
If I heard correctly, they announced that it was your second AMATUER FIGHT!!! PS- My sister says that the young guy in your corner is really good looking and sexy, and resembles RICKY MARTIN lol!



Edited by - HHH on 03 Jan 2003 01:11:27

[paul c]

I believe Gurkan injured his back during the fall out of the ring in the fight with Chris Chrisopoulidis. The photograph of him being guided out of the ring was on the Ax for a long time, I'll see if I can dig it up and show you guys.

I'm absolutely not certain as to the type of injury, but I spoke to Gurkan about the fight. He said that while he was laying there it absolutely felt like something really bad was going to happen if he got up the wrong way. I wouldn't know such injuries, but he kind of described it like it felt like a severly pulled muscle in his back somewhere.

C'mon guys, how about giving Chris some respect.
He's a really nice bloke and gives it his all.

[K UNEM]

YEAH HE AINT EVEN FAT!!!<img src=icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle>

[mick]

i was just quoting what janer called him. Sorry Chris.
Now Chris has the heart of a lion, see the fight with Peter Graham

[paul c]

I agree Mick,

He looked pretty busted up that night. Chris was bleeding all over the place, but it didn't stop him from trying. I actually had to **** my drink cause it had blood all over the cup.

[Big_Jeff]

You guys seem to forget when Gurkan was getting his arse kicked by Tibor Vermese Gurkan spat the dummy and bit him in a clich causing the other fighter to leave the ring....... To me that is worse than a knock out!

[QUPNCY]

bit him????????what r u talking about big jeff? when tyson bit off hollyfields ear did he run out of the ring crying?
ozkan never bit vermes!he couldnt make it in kickboxing so he turned to illegal underworld!what a fighter ha

[spycrack]

nah QUPNCY, your wrong Gurkan spat the dummy, and his actions were disgraceful...Tibor smashed everyone in his weight division at the time...including Jamie Flemming and many other champions...he was absolutley annihilating Gurkan...and i have seen other boxing fights were fighters have left the ring in disgust..yet the fight has been continued after they have been coaxed back in...Tarik was just [protecting his boy!@!!

[JKLA]

Gotta agree with spycrack on this one. Tibor had Gurkan on this occasion, seemed Ozkan wanted to intimidate him to throw him off his fight plan, or maybe he just became desparate cause what he was doing on that night wasn't working. Bad luck for Tibor now, seems like when Dana died, many fighters died with him too.

[JANER]

Sorry guys but if you watch the reply, YES vermes won the first round BUT As the rounds went on the Hammer had statisitics which showed Ozkan was increasingly landing more punches and vermes landing LESS kicks/knees.

Ozkan was looking ALOT better as the fight went on. Please before you take defense, HAVE a look at the fight AGAIN!

As for Vermes fighting champions..."including Jamie Flemming and many other champions" Who are they? Please list them (im not being sarcastic).

[Axekick157]

Janer,

After your comments I really do think that you are far to bias when comes to Gurkan, I have just viewed the fight again and there was never a hope in hell of Gurkan winning and if the hammer had given any rounds to Gurkan then he was on cheap drugs that night.

The only thing Gurkan did that night was put shame on our sport. Tibor as a fighter was a complete gentleman and porfessional sportsman which was far from what Gurkan displayed and I'm sure alot more fighters would have left the ring out disgust by Gurkans Actions.

I repeat again Gurkan was not and never will be as good a fighter as Tibor.

AXE

[John K]

You have to at least be fair on one thing here Janer..Ozkan was way behind on points and falling back further.

[QUPNCY]

i dont dissagree but where r tibor's titles?what does he hold?he was a great fighter but he never proved much!name some of the BIG names if u please that he has fought.

[JANER]

John k and Axekick, firstly thankyou for not firing up! Phewwww. As for Vermes, yes he was a mad fighter but he should of stayed in the sport longer to prove he can win titles and beat the best.

imagine if he came out of retirement to fight Ozkan!!!

[QUPNCY]

he is locked up i think and he will be for a while

[delusion]

that would be a mad fight to see

[QUPNCY]

maybe michael shciavello can clear it up for us all has he ever been ko'd cause all these guy on he seem to think he has been

[Pete M]

all i can remeber is the trevor ambrose fight
even though hewasn't unconiuos
it was still at TKO victory for ambrose which on his recored goes down as a KO

[QUPNCY]

no it goes down as a tko not ko my friend so find out ur facts

[Pete M]

when a fighters record is read out before a fight the announcer doesn't say eg. 45 wins, no draws 2 losses (10 by ko, 4 by tko)
as well as his recored 45-2 (14 by ko)

[JANER]

why do i have to keep on repeating the facts all the friggin time man!

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FACT:
Ozkan V Ambrose - Hegdecock was ozkans trainer at the time and he got too emotionally involved and cared Toooo much for ozkan and he stopped it before ozkan would get alot more hurt. There was nothing wrong with ozkan and he just left his hand on the rope to draw ambrose in. But hedgecock thought he was tired and unfit for further aciton. ---It WASNT a knock out---

Ozkan V Christopolidis - That was not a knock down. Fatso pushed him out of the ring and gurks aggrevated his neck as it twisted. You can see CLEARLY on the reply it wasnt a knee to the held but rather a light tap to his ribs. Bryce birdwhistles should of stopped that fight much earlier as fatsopolous was taking more battering than a crabstick! It was not a knock down nor a knock out.
---It WASNT a knock out---

Ozkan V Briggs (boxing) - Flush knockdown and he got straight up ---It WASNT a knock out---


Ozkan V thai fighter- Ozkan was not meant to fight due to a risk by a doctor. however he still stepped in but hurt his neck and and had to RETIRE HURT. he was clearing winning the fight and had put an 8 count on his fighter. It was no knock down nor a knock out. ---It WASNT a knock out---

The last 3 fights I Mentioed detailed that ozkan has NOT been knocked out!!

****ANd that is proof and word from Ozkans mouth!!!****

(i forgot to ask about the elson fight)

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Regardless what Ambrose records reads, and the legitimacy of it, we all know it wasnt a knock out.

[sethridge]

u know ozkan isnt the only fighter not be ko ed in his carrear. thats if u wana get technical with TKO KO bull****.Dawsons never been knocked clean out or JWP, AND PROB 60% OF KICKBOXERS MT fighters havent either. so get over it cuz ozkan is gonna get his FIRST big fat KNOCKED CLEAN OUT experience FEB14. and i cant wait .lol

[QUPNCY]

i wish there could be wagering on the feb 17 night of fights cause ozkan fans would make a killing!!!

[QUPNCY]

stan will become ozkans 32 ko for his records

[mick]

QUPNCY find a sucure way to do do it and i'll put my bank role on stan come feb 17th

[sethridge]

You say ozkans ko 31 fighters. i dont think so. how many has he TKOd alot more than KO i would expect. thats if you wana get technical. if u say ozkans KOd 31 fighters when most of them were TKO. its only fair to say that ozkans been KOd himself. come on guys you cant have your cake and eat it. lol.



Edited by - sethridge on 16 Jan 2003 20:01:10

[QUPNCY]

funny stehridge they were all first round ko's

[sethridge]

yea but were they knocked clean out unconsis or dazed and the ref stopped it. i would class both as a KO but you seem to think different when ozkan is on the recieving end.

[John K]

31 first round knockouts? I challenge anyone to name me ten. Should be easy if he has 31!

[mick]

sethridge has a good point. if you say that Gurkan has had 31ko's i'll put money on it that most of them were tko's. But if this is what the fans are saying then Gurkan has been ko'd, because tko's are classed as ko's on the records

[JANER]

Stop with all the garbage guys. Here are the words from Tariks mouth.

FACT 1: Gurkan has NEVER been knocked out and NEVER counted out to 10.

FACT 2: Gurkan has demolished AT LEAST 25 fighters in the first round.

So case is closed.

[krama]

Agree with sethridge, John and Mike - probably 90% of these so called 31 KO's would have been TKO's, stopped by the ref - just like Ozkan had been a number of times.
On the Christopolides fight, he was not pushed out, he was kneed to the ribs, which forced him to keel over, he then 'rolled' himself out of the ring to avoid getting a further beating.
QUPNCY - its seems to me you are related to Ozkan , ridiculously one sided.
Cut the bull**** excuses out! If Stan takes this fight seriously, Gurk will experience his first real KO - Stan is a heavyweight and punches like a super SUMO weight.
An informer tells me Gurk was sparring with a 120kg Boxer this week, who is training for his undercard fight on Sunday, Gurks did three rounds with him and did ok, until in the fourth this 120kg monster unloaded a right handed which destroyed Ozkan - he later said that was the hardest punch he ever copped and virtually felt like his eyeball was being ripped out of his socket. This was most probably with headguards on.
When he fights Stan there will be no headguards, just Stan - the pain inflictor, the ref - who will be the person removing Ozkans mouthguard after he's ko'd, Dr Peter Lewis, who will assist the medics pulling him off the ground, and Foxtel - the re-run will be the only way he will remember it.
Or maybe Tarik will jump in after Ozkans 5th knockdown within 2 rounds and declare Ozkan the winner because Stan is wearing an illegal mouthguard!!

[sooty]

Heya Krama,
That was a good read bud!
Or it may be Stans shorts are too short er um er i mean too long! No No er too bright! lol

Cheers
Sooty
ps: please no one respond to this posting as i am just haveing a laugh. Bored i guess...

[JANER]

Sooty I know you mean no harm! But there is always truth within a joke.

But Krama, stan only weighs 95kg not 120kg and he is not a world level boxer.

regarding the christo fight, you have no idea. Gurkan was winning that fight and chris was copping a belting!! For god sake man, are you blind? Birswhistles could of stop the fight before the end of round 1, but didnt and should of. Chris threw 1 punch for every 3 that gurkan landed. Seruously, watch the replay AGAIN, AGAIN and AGAIN before you say anymore.

I know when stan V Gurkan fight, the legend Hedgecock will be make no mistake.

[krama]

Janer - I know you are correct - I was being sarcastic about the Cristo fight (it didnt come across that way) -we watch that fight a million times over for a laugh!! - I have never seen anyone cop such a beating in the ring and not go down! (well that because he was holding on to Ozkan)
His head flies around like a rag doll - absolutely bloody hilarious -as for the 'knee' it seems like a like touch on the ribs - very difficult to work out what exactly happened and why Ozkan fell out of the ring? - and Lardopoulises face after that incident is priceless - gesturing as if he knocked him out with his knee!
I also loved the kiss Lardopoulis plucked on Fagans head before their bout!! The guy is a classic - but we love to watch him - very entertaining - must say though he has some pretty brutal leg kicks.

[mick]

Janer. there is no question that Gurkan was winning the fight quite easily against Chris. But who is the blind one? Chris caught him with a good legal knee and the fight was over. Face the facts you may as well call that a ko win to Chris as that is what is on the record.
As for Sooty, Krama, Sethridge and myself (hope i am not out of line writing this guys) we arn't just having a go at Janer and Quenpy all the time it's just that you are not open minded and get blinded when it come to Gurkan. I have said it before accept a win as a win and a loss as a loss.

[JANER]

Mick, Im not blind. I state the facts. But humour is good!

Krama, lol lardopolous! i called him fatsopolous, but he is a funny guy man. Good to watch and he can take a hammering!!

[paul c]

http://www.fortunecity.com/olympia/imran/723/temp/pics/chris_gurkan.jpg

I don't know if Gurkan was actually pushed guys, but he certainly was helped out of the ring.

[QUPNCY]

hey krama did ur informer also tell u that the same 120kg boxer sparred 2 other fighters both heavy's and first got ko'd in 1st other got stopped in early 2nd?seen with my own eyes!

[sooty]

I had the chance to have a yap with Chris after the KB-4 show a few months ago at the Manley Leagues Club.. and might i say that Chris came across as a polite gentleman, with a greeeaaaat sense of humour! I would have loved to have gotten pissed with the Vic crew as they are always good company at any after party do!

cheers
sooty

[John K]

OK Im still waiting for someone to name me just 10 of Gurkans alleged 31 first rnd KO's!