Bad&Sad times ahead

[flash]

With all that wen't on last night on the Gold Coast, What will it do to the sport of Kickboxing.
Fighters, Promotors,Fans, Foxsports, have beeen responsible for lifting the profile of the sport to a all time high, especially in Queensland.
I can just see all the detractors jumping on the bandwagon,
About promoting violence, and how the sport is brutal and should be banned.
Also what about Tv, i would doubt that fox will now show this event,which is terrible because i heard the undercard was really good.A lot of fighters that needed to lift there profile around the world and now they won't be seen.

We all need to support the sport more than ever and put it back on track as a sport of honour.



Edited by - flash on 19 Mar 2006 15:02:18

[srm07]

word was going around that it wont be shown! police have siezed the video footage for evidence!
bit of a shame i was looking forward to some top replays!

[Zviggy]

The show definately wont be shown on foxtel in my opinion.

I saw foxtel crew runnig out with their cameras. Will Foxtel pull out of kickboxing shows all together??

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Edited by - Zviggy on 19 Mar 2006 15:34:35

[Bushi]

Guys stop speculating...

Bushi

"Go as far as you can see, and when you get there you'll see further"

"Yours in Bushido"

[flash]

Hey bushi! Why is it that you believe you have all the rights to an opinion, first you shoot down my concerns about not making jokes about this tragedy,Then you tell me not to speculate on this.
I am a major event's manager and know what this **** can do to the image of a sport,was simply suggesting we all pull together and deny the knockers of the sport we all love!

[Voice]

I just got back from the GC and don't have a lot to add about the incident. I was in Carnage's room watching him warm up when the commotion occurred over our monitor. Looks surreal watching it on TV.

What I will add is that this is not about kickboxing. It could have been at a local kids football game when two parents of opposite gangs decided to square up a vendetta.

What some people do need to reconsider is who they make friends with and who they choose to bring along to these types of events. If promoters also are a little more cognisant of who is supporting them and buying their tables then this can be avoided in future.

What a tragedy for those hurt including Ray who was hit with a chair. And what a tragedy this Carnage/Mac fight now may never occur for fear of reprisals.

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'If it bleeds, we can kill it...'(yet another priceless Arnie quote)

[J A]

How about instead of dwelling on this we maybe look at focusing on that great fights that already had been won!
It was a great show so lets try focus on that hey..
This whole sordid affair will die down but how about some comments on the actual fights..
Or maybe I'm the only one who saw them....

[blackbart]

I've seen a couple of news reports in Sydney about what happened and they haven't been saying anything bad about the sport, just giving a very quick rundown on what happened.

[flash]

We all know it has nothing to do with the sport, but to the average joe they just assume. The good thing is that the news reports focused on it being gang related.
Give you an example on the public: Both my next door neighbours (who know i have been involved in kickboxing,)asked me if i would attend anymore promotions because of the violence that occured.And one that was going to come with me to evo7 cancelled.

[Sheepdog]

You are right Flash, it just means that anyone involved in the sport, that loves the sport, now needs to fly the flag higher and push the positives, to win back over those who are now reconsidering any participation or involvement at any level.

"when he turns away in disgust, thats when its time to kick some back"

[Ma]

I spoke to a few police today and the word was the fight was ment to go down in surfers and cavil ave had to be shut off and clubs like hoolywood closed. It is a heavy blow for the sport, and I agree that we as devoted members of the boxing community have to show all our suport for future fights. People had there children there, so I dont blame any parent for being scared in the future.. my biggest question is what the hell was goin on with the security there? I had a table and after first entering I never got asked to show anything to prove I had paid... no one was stopping anyone from comming in??? Maybe thats why they chose to brawl there... it seemed to easy...

[Adm]

I cant belive of all things to happen, this had to happen on saturday night. I agree where in the hell was the security??? Its sad to think that this will put a downer on the sports reputation, but not for long, not if we alll throw in our support to encorage Ray and other promoters not to give up on the shows. This was a pre organized blu that has been comin for a long time, it had nothing to do with the show, just the fact that the H.A happened to be there.

My support goes out to the fighters that didnt get to finish what they had trained so hard for, Ray who had balls to get in the middle of it in the first place and unfortunatly injured in the midst of it all, the families that took there young children, and anyone who had to watch the bloodspill.

However I must say that I have no sympathy for the thugs that got shot and stabbed ect. I only hope that there irrasponisble actions are delt with propperly and someone gets charged, jailed whatever.
I am appaulled that they had to bring this sort of violence into a venue that had children, and so many innocent people.

[jon14]

After that experience, i won't be taking my 2 boys anymore, i wish i never went

[promoboss]

jon14
Dont blame this unfortunate incident on the promoter as this seemed to be an orginised meet up of participants.
I have been to Xplosions before and there has never been any problems of that kind in the past, the last show in 2005 my whole family went along including my 7 yr old daughter.
We found it to be a great an environment for everybody to enjoy.
So go to the next show and have a ball.


It's Better to Burn Out than to Fade Away

[Bushi]

Here here Promo.

Violence is an unfortunate by-product of todays society, and this just happened to be as has been stated out of Ray and Rising's control. It could well have been Indy if the respective parties were there and already had predetermined their actions.

We need to as a community show our full support to Ray and Rising in his future shows..

This will NOT deter me from attending any shows in any state.



Bushi

"Go as far as you can see, and when you get there you'll see further"

"Yours in Bushido"

[flash]

Bushi, tried to email you but keeps coming back as a failure????

[Bushi]

Ditto Flash, are you replying to my email from this morning !!!

If you are and you can't get to me via email, you have my number, txt or ring me mate, cheers.

Bushi

"Go as far as you can see, and when you get there you'll see further"

"Yours in Bushido"

Edited by - zdkbushido on 20 Mar 2006 18:34:26

[Imsta]

I totally agree with you Bushi, you can’t control these things when it happened. If an individual or a group of people have the wrong intention to cause and disrupt an event, no one can control or avoid the inevitable.

Here in Springvale area there were a lot of tension between the Vietnamese gang and Cambodian gang a while ago. During the Cambodian New Year 20 to 30 Vietnamese gang decided to disrupt the Khmer New Year in Springvale Town hall and came in with a shot gun and knifes. They came in and started to beat the security guide and shot twice into the air. Little did the Vietnamese gang know they walked into a packed Springvale town hall with Khmer people inside. Instead of people screaming for their safety some one scream, Yurn! which means “Viet” the Khmer people with their big numbers with out hesitation grabbed chairs and bottles and went straight for the Vietnamese gang whom were huddle near the entrance. The fight didn’t last that long probably 5-6 mins because the Viet were out numbered. I would have thought there could have been some confusion between the two race, but it was a simple as saying, “Khmer Ah!” which means can you speak Khmer? If you couldn’t speak Khmer you would have been bashed that night most of the Vietnamese went to hospital. It took 20 minutes before the cops to arrive, but our New Year celebration was over.

[rocketnoi]

I was there too...ended up lying on the carpet with my girl and mates from training when the shots started. Fken scary ****e (i was in the ring earlier with Wayne), but in 8yrs of going to shows ive never seen crazy stuff like that and i doubt i ever will again - so its not gonna stop me or anyone i know from going along to spectate or fight etc.

On a positive note there hasnt been the media beatup we all feared. Most of what I have seen has linked the incident directly and only to the bikies. Ive made it clear to all the people i know at work and socially that it was not fight fans involved, but a bikie group that turned up late for the express purpose of starting a fight. What we can do as fans is support the shows and make sure we correct ignorant people when they talk ****e and say stuff like "arnt kickboxing shows dangerous".

[Mojoman]

Why do these turkeys choose to brawl in a public place where innocent people could get hurt? Why not go to a paddock somewhere in the middle of nowhere..bring all the guns and knives you want and then have it out? Or better still put the weapons away and get in the ring and settle it?

It's a pity for the sport because it's bound to attract negative PR from this.

Diehard supporters like ourselves will still attend shows but I fear that attracting the wider audience to it will have been put back a few years. We need mainstream audience to lift the profile of the sport, bring more money in for the fighters etc.

"If you change the way you look at things..what you look at changes"

[Imsta]

If these stupid gangs had any social responsibilities it wouldn’t happen, they are stupid idiots with no brains! If I was the Prime Minster, I would put them all in the military to straight them out.

[imported_n/a]

quote: I would put them all in the military
HAHAHAHA Thats what we need, military trained,acurate shooting outlaw gangs. Oh hang on, didnt Al Quada corner this market?

Russ
http://www.boonchu.com

[jon14]

say what you like, what sane person will now take their children to a tournament with bikies in the crowd?? seriously

[Imsta]

Russ,

You must have been in the military? Be careful when you pick up the soap in the shower. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> lol. <img src=icon_smile_clown.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_clown.gif border=0 align=middle>

[Mojoman]

quote:
say what you like, what sane person will now take their children to a tournament with bikies in the crowd?? seriously


I agree. With 3 young children..as much as I love the sport. If there is any realistic chance they'd be in danger I wouldn't do it.

"If you change the way you look at things..what you look at changes"

[flash]

My daughter has been to no less than 5 promotions and i will continue to take her, she is at no more risk than being at a football game or some other sport. I have been fighting and watching Kickboxing for 20years and have never seen this sort of thing happen before. Last thing the sport needs is to scare away the young fans!
It is your own personel choice guys,but keep it as your own.

[jon14]

quote:
It is your own personel choice guys,but keep it as your own.



Ditto

[Ma]

JON14... I agree as a parent how you must feel about the situation but it really has nothing to do with the sport, and I can say with toatl confedence that this sort of thing is very unnlikely to ever happen again. I was very close to where it happened, so I can understand the fear of the situation, however we need to remeber that this sort of thing could have happened anywhere, in a club, at a football match anywhere,s o having said that and with the latest speculation of gang war about to irrupt.. Is anywhere safe.. I personally thing tehse sorts of events will be safer now than ever, no one is that stupid to pull this kind of stunt at the same sort of event, and security messures will hOPEFULLY be bigger.

[ninja]

if it was up to me i would ban television completely (except maybe sporting events). Television and control of media are the biggest wepons in the last 50 years.

It is obvious that certain sports in this country (such as kickboxing, football (americanised term soccer) even boxing of recently) are against somebody's interest. They use the media to dirt the sports image whenever they can.

Kickboxing and Muay Thai will never loose true supporters because of the incident or anything else. This is not a commercialised sport where we depend on media reviews. Ofcourse it may have negative effect on sponsorship, but true fans will always turn up to the events. Like someone said we should fly the flag even higher now!!