View Full Version : National pride gone too far?
Voice
09-03-2006, 07:18 PM
Let's see if we can have all parties comment rationally and objectively here otherwise I am sure this thread will be deleted.
I think the greater issue is that both Turks and Greeks on this forum (not mentioning names) for some reason believe they need to promote and defend their countrymen. This isn't necessarily a bad things, they are passionate supporters.
As an Australian I don't feel the need to defend a negative word said about JWP (unless it was a known lie and in that case I would defend any fighter) and indeed if I thought Yod, Gerkan or Zambo would win a fight against him don't see a problem saying it. I'm sure JWP also doesn't give a dime what the punters are saying either.
On this forum why does a Turk need to defend a negative comment or prediction of a loss against a turkish fighter and likewise the Greeks? Gerkan and Zam are 2 individuals, not champions of their country with which wars will be decided.
Just strikes me some people see these things as an afront on their national heritage when it is really just comments on one fighter against another. There are plenty of Australian fighters I wouldn't rate ahead of overseas fighters, but I don't have a national pride problem in saying so.
Perhaps the answer is that many of us are making comments about Gerkan the Turk or Zambo the Greek etc etc, rather than Gerkan the fighter in 2006 etc.
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'If it bleeds, we can kill it...'(yet another priceless Arnie quote)
Edited by - voice on 09 Mar 2006 18:24:03
Rickstar
09-03-2006, 07:42 PM
I reckon that is a fair post man, i love greek fighters, turk fighters and fighters from all points of the globe and i also dislike a few fighters from different points. I suspect your an aussie like me mate and i spose that it may be easier for us to pass an unbiased judgement. I think alot of dudes from other cultures maybe have this unwritten law that they jump to the defence of their fellow countrymen cause they feel that they are all they have, i spose its like when you travel overseas and every aussie you see seems like a good bloke, at home they are probably ****s but when they are out of their comfort zone they suddenly become massively patriotic and your best mate. I hear your view but hey this aint a perfect world so i spose we gotta deal with the cards that are dealt.
Then again this diversion is a result of some certain promoters advertising and marketing gimmicks to target certain audiences to sell more tickets , hence attracting ignorant "patriotic" supporters. Fair enough some people feel the right to support fighters from their country of origin, however that shouldn't be an excuse to neglect appreciation for what a fighter goes through and does during and in preparation for a fight, regardless of race or religion.
Voice sums it up really in that we should be making comments in regards to "Gerkan the fighter", rather than "Gerkan the Turk".
You are my advesary but U are not my enemy.For ur resistance gives me strength, ur will gives me courage, ur spirit enobles me.And though I aim to defeat U,should I succeed I will not humiliate U.Instead I will honour U,for without U I am a lesser man.
Matt J
09-03-2006, 11:07 PM
As I've said before, if you take allan's cap off you will see the lobotomy scars. explains everything!
Glenn
10-03-2006, 12:10 AM
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i spose its like when you travel overseas and every aussie you see seems like a good bloke, at home they are probably ****s but when they are out of their comfort zone they suddenly become massively patriotic and your best mate.
Fair point but most (if not all) of this 'Greek' & 'Turk' thing is coming from Australians not from foreigners residing here.
johnny_619
10-03-2006, 12:15 AM
Fair point and it makes alot of sense.
I hate the idea of the feud. Like voice said, it aint going to solve a war. Although you must see the big picture, that every sport promotes in this manner.
I'll admit, Im biased and passionate when seeing a greek fight, yet, understanding though that im open for debate. Not a personal racial feud. I'm not here to demise the opposition.
Debate about a fight or fighter isnt bad, but it gets personal when people are here for the wrong reasons.
Where did the other topic go? I liked JWP's car haha.
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Greeks dont fight like heroes, heroes fight like Greeks!
Edited by - johnny_619 on 09 Mar 2006 23:17:11
cpthowdy
10-03-2006, 02:58 AM
This is a load of crap,every sport is the same and people will always choose a side and defend the side they have chosen.I am an Aussie and I prefer Zambo over JWP.As long as the two fighters that are in the ring are doing their best, who cares where they come from. Just sit back and enjoy the show and show both some respect.
spot on cpthowdy
You are my advesary but U are not my enemy.For ur resistance gives me strength, ur will gives me courage, ur spirit enobles me.And though I aim to defeat U,should I succeed I will not humiliate U.Instead I will honour U,for without U I am a lesser man.
Fair call voice
i agree with Johnny 619 we are a little biased when we see a fighter with greek heritage fight but at the end of the day im an Australian with greek heritage and a few years ago at a JNI show i met JWP when he was a guess ref and when i went up to him he was the best bloke he took out time to speak to me and we had a good chat thats why i posted that topic about hes car cause i have the same vehicle and i wanted to ask him a few things cause i know hes a good bloke and would respond to questions from his fans . But the clash or cultures between Greeks & turks is alwas going to be their.Their is a very long history between the 2 countries they are the only 2 countries in the world that celebrate independence day over each other so thats why tarik will always do a greek vs a turk cause he knows how passinate each side is, which is $$$ to him.And when started that post about JWP car i was harrased about my signature by a Gurkan Supporter, who cars about what signature people have whay dose it bother some people on this forum so much.
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Fact
Greeks have dominated Kickboxing in Australia
since kickboxing was established
Voice
10-03-2006, 12:34 PM
quote: Fact
Greeks have dominated Kickboxing in Australia
since kickboxing was established
mm, wonder why Zito! haha <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
It's all good fun.
But hopefully we can all learn to base our positive and negative comments on individuals rather than collectives. We have all been guilty, time to change.
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'If it bleeds, we can kill it...'(yet another priceless Arnie quote)
Edited by - voice on 10 Mar 2006 11:35:42
yemista
10-03-2006, 04:03 PM
i think it is healthy 2 support ur own kind, i always want the greeks 2 win esp against turks its in our colture, but some poeple do go over the top like allanf, and i have 2 admit when zambo fought JWP the first time at melb in the k1 i thought JWP won and they gave it 2 zambo, same when headhunter fought evan thermalakis evan recked him and they gave it 2 headhunter, so its healthy to support ur countrymen but dont be so one eyed about it.
allanf
10-03-2006, 04:25 PM
Russ somed it up pretty well, its just in our culture i mean its a Turk and Greek thing, they love promoting their country i mean how many of you guys walk down the street and see a guy wearing a turkish soccer uniform or a greek hat??? Its a big Rivarly and you cant help it when your either Turk or Greek, that is why national PRIDE gets in the way when they face off against each other in any particular sport!!!
Matt J
10-03-2006, 04:34 PM
its not part of anyones culture to be a fanatic, what a pile of bullsh!t. support your own kind, thats great, thats beautiful. but theres a line between that and being a one eyed, biased, racist fanatic.
allanf
10-03-2006, 04:36 PM
Try telling that to Millions of Turks and Greeks, Bottom line is that is the truth, theres always going to be big Rivarly between them!!!
Matt J
10-03-2006, 04:51 PM
millions of greeks and turks arent fanatics whose day is brightened by seeing the other race being hurt or hindered in some way. you are the minority. i like to think most people are into the healthier aspects of national pride.its like the difference between a guy who reads the koran in peace and tries to live a wholesome life as opposed to a guy who flies planes into buildings. do you understand the difference between a guy who supports his countryman and a fanatic?
i would bet you hate all greek fighters solely because of the fact they are greek.that aint healthy bro.
Edited by - Matt J on 10 Mar 2006 15:53:15
allanf
10-03-2006, 04:59 PM
No theres a difference mate, i aiint no racsist just because i support Turkey Fanaticaly over Greece, its just in our pride and only you will understand that if you were either Greek or Turk, but the diffrence is if a Turk or Greek dislike each other and and attack each other knowing the recent histroy between them that is wrong, im just stating my opinion that its good that they support their country fanatically but in peace!!!
Bushi
10-03-2006, 05:02 PM
Under card May 21st....
Mattj v Allan.....
Bushi
"Go as far as you can see, and when you get there you'll see further"
"Yours in Bushido"
Allanf
ur post dont make sense sorry mate
Look at big Chris and jenk their friends arnt they . I know i have some turkish friends that i have played soccer with so its not everbody.
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Fact
Greeks have dominated Kickboxing in Australia
since kickboxing was established
yemista
10-03-2006, 05:09 PM
ur spot on mattj thats what i said in my last post, im greek but if a turk got ripped in a fight against a greek and the greek won i would say the greek lost.
yemista
10-03-2006, 05:12 PM
thats the diffirents between greek and turks allanf
greeks have pride and only accept the wins we deserve.
Turks r just angry and dont care how they win as long as they win.
Matt J
10-03-2006, 05:24 PM
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its just in our pride and only you will understand that if you were either Greek or Turk,
how do you know i'm not greek or turk?
allanf
10-03-2006, 05:30 PM
I dont, are you Greek? cos i know for a fact your not Turk.
johnny_619
10-03-2006, 07:18 PM
Cmon Zito, you fall in the group of Allanf.
I have some great Turkish friends and no, its not in anyone's blood to demise opposition. Its not in a Greeks blood to hate Turks or vice versa.
As for Mike Zambidis and beating Turkish fighters he summed it up "I fight and respect all my opponents, no matter who they are or where they come from. I'm not concerned if they are Turkish, I'm here to fight"
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Greeks dont fight like heroes, heroes fight like Greeks!
allanf
11-03-2006, 06:52 AM
Johhny_619 Atleast your decent Greek bloke unlike your hero Zito i feel sorry for these kind of guys, they give Greeks a bad name!!!
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