Knockout Bonuses??

[Voice]

What do people think about KO bonuses for pro fights?

I recall a 'cut/blood' bonus thread on here a year or 2 ago which I thought was a bit distasteful but I like the idea of offering cash for KO's which the fighter collects at presentation time in the traditional thai way.

Would $500 make a fighter go all out for the KO or do you reckon they will stick to their gameplan for a perhaps less dramatic victory?
Perhaps Dekker, Tao and some of the other trainers out their might discuss how this could change their tactics, particularly in the latter rounds.

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'If it bleeds, we can kill it...'(yet another priceless Arnie quote)

[Mungkorn]

I like the idea it would keep the fighter inthere to the end giving it his best hoping for a knock out.
I like how the bookies do it in Thailand run up to the side of the ring and say if you knock the fcuker out I will give you this much, as they hold up a wad of cash, the fighter always finds that little extra some how after that.............

"One World One MuayThai"

[Voice]

and a step further BS...the idea of a winner's purse and a loser's purse?
Seems like most trainers and fighters want a flat appearance purse regardless of result. Possibly because each fighter's purse differs from his opponents, but in theory at least a portion of the total purse split 60/40 seems a fair idea.

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'If it bleeds, we can kill it...'(yet another priceless Arnie quote)

[Mungkorn]

I have excepted a winner take all contract once before, thank god he won, won't do that again, I felt sorry for the other guy, took a beating got nothing for it.
60/40 is a fair thing boxers do it all the time or just bring in the knock out bonus, a few options should be discussed between fighter and trainer.....

"One World One MuayThai"

[Hironaka]

Musashi would be ****ed ...

As a spectator, I like the idea, however I am not too sure how various states Athletic and Medical boards would view such an incentive though. Calling it a 'knockout bonus' could bring a lot of bad publicity to a sport which already suffers from a negative image in the minds of a lot of people.

As an alternative, I would prefer to see referee's issue Yellow Cards, as they do in Pride, where a fighter has 10% of their purse deducted for inactivity, refusal to engage or displaying a lack of determination to 'finish' their opponent.

[Mungkorn]

Good point......

"One World One MuayThai"

[Voice]

ah Hiro, you are a big stick rather than juicy carrot man! hehe


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'If it bleeds, we can kill it...'(yet another priceless Arnie quote)

[promoboss]

Voice, I remember in the early 90's fighters used to the same amount plus a win bonus of 50%.
e.g. $1000 win los or draw + $500 win bonus then you knew what you where up for instead of trying to workout the maths involved in each fighters different purse also makes it a lot easier to budget I suppose.
Come down to the gym tonight I'd like to say hi b4 I go on friday.

It's Better to Burn Out than to Fade Away

[TAO @ JTS]

hi guys,

In Thailand esp at the larger stadiums you see KO bonus money from punters as well as promoters... i think its a good thing, but likeise as mentioned above, it may bring negative publicity to a sport that doesn't attract the same interest as it does in Thailand.

at Omnoi (and perhaps Lumpinee) however, the KO cash is a little different. there you are encouraged to use traditional Thai techniques that, in modern times/fights, are slipping from the thai fighters arsenal. such as Sauk klab and jorakefadhang which are usually considered too risky to pull off in a tough fight, these techniques often get neglected. i think sauk klab gets you 200,000 bht and jorakefadhang get the big one - 500,000 bht.

this incentive IMO is good, as it stems from the intention to preserve the traditional techniques.

therefore if we were to incl KO bonus cash here in australia, perhaps it too could be offered for not only KO'ing the guy but also for the difficulty of the technique used. i think that if you were to extend KO bonus cash just for merely KO'ing the guy... it would probably turn a Muaythai fight into a boxing match or worse a "pub brawl" where the two are trance-fixed by getting the $$$ at the expense of their technique and just swing away trying to get the prize.


elbow KO's, head kick KO's, flying knee KO's, would be far greater to watch than KO's by hay-maker punches.

thats my two bobs worth on the matter... but personally i like the idea... also i believe that the majority of fighters dont get paid enough for what they can do anyway. so yeah i thinks its a good thing

CHOK DEE
TAO (JOOK)

[mick]

different strokes for different folks.
-sometime fighters will take fights even if the odds are against them to win, in cases like this they need to get the apperence fee.

-one way is to pay them a apperence fee and then give them a bonus if they win. that way you can keep the prize money down. And you know that they wont just go there to jump around and make easy money.

-one thing that i think there should be more of in australia is beting on the fights. let the camps put money on the fights to make it more interesting. i am a gambling man but i find it hard to bet on fight.

[DazMon]

head kick KO's, flying knee KO's - yeah, I'm in!

Sauk klab and jorakefadhang - what are they?

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[Matt J]

quote:


-one thing that i think there should be more of in australia is beting on the fights. let the camps put money on the fights to make it more interesting. i am a gambling man but i find it hard to bet on fight.





there is plenty of that, you just dont know where to look.

[promoboss]

Mick, you don't have shares in center bet do you?
just kidding mate.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
I also agree with a friendly wager between camps keeps the rivalry going and its also a nice surprise for the fighhter when he/she comes back from the ring and can put a bit of coin in the back pocket especially if they're an ametuer.

It's Better to Burn Out than to Fade Away

[Hironaka]

quote:
-one thing that i think there should be more of in australia is beting on the fights. let the camps put money on the fights to make it more interesting. i am a gambling man but i find it hard to bet on fight.


I think the risks involved with gambling far outweigh the benefit of you being able to throw a few dolllars on your favorite fighter.

[Hironaka]

Just to clarify ...

Bets between camps etc = good times
Bookmakers (legal or illegal) with fixed odds = bad news



Edited by - Hironaka on 08 Feb 2006 11:40:21

[TAO @ JTS]

sauk klab - spinning back elbow
jorakefadhang - spinning heel kick

[Voice]

I'm putting in $500 KO bonus to the main event of our 4 man if a fighter is stopped and can't beat the count.

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'If it bleeds, we can kill it...'(yet another priceless Arnie quote)

[Action Jackson]

KO bonuses are a good idea but so is more Lobsters on fights and it goes into a pool
Betting on fights is good, but when you don’t get paid, makes it hard to trust people with your money.
I find a few good men who you can trust and it becomes quite fun, we don’t bet big amounts so it’s not a big burden repaying.
Usually if they pay up first time u can bet they are trustworthy people.

I think this sport needs T.V. publicity to grow the purses for fighters.

Cheers
Action Jackson

[dutts72]

I personally disagree with the Ko Bonus.

Win bonus sure I agree with instead of a flat rate.

"Muay Thai Never Dies"
"Life in Every Breath"
Ome Mane Padme Hum

[shaunw]

yeah russ, i recieved $50 for a knockout on a boonchu show. if the fights were close they would offer more and more cash. good incentive

Max Power, he's the man who's name you'd love to touch. But you mustn't touch! His name sounds good in your ear, but when you say it you mustn't fear! Cause his name can be said by anyone

[Seth_2]

KO bonus is a good idea but i wouldnt go searching for a KO.. you could forget your plans and end up on the end of something, and possibly lose your bonus and the win :(.. but good idea if it comes off well..

but i would never gamble on your own fighter.. if you lose you lose in more than one way, that would top your night off.. but gambling on other fighters is good.. heheh

"One World One Muaythai"

[shaunw]

i knew about it, but didnt worry me to much as it was only 50. just really wanted the win and the knockout and the 50 came as a bonus

Max Power, he's the man who's name you'd love to touch. But you mustn't touch! His name sounds good in your ear, but when you say it you mustn't fear! Cause his name can be said by anyone

[hitzeroadjack]

Shaunw,

What do you think of fighters paying the promoter when they quit halfway through the fight due to blatant lack of guts and fitness ?

You are an expert in the matter I believe...

Jack

[Hironaka]

quote:
Shaunw,

What do you think of fighters paying the promoter when they quit halfway through the fight due to blatant lack of guts and fitness ?

You are an expert in the matter I believe...

Jack



BOO-YAH!!!!!!!!

Business is about to pick up.

*waits in comfy chair with popcorn for Shaun's response*



Edited by - Hironaka on 09 Feb 2006 14:04:53

[Chacha]

Seems like Shaun Warren has some amend to do with his brilliant career, euh ?

Don't seem to be the only one to think that you are far better on the Muay Thai Forum than at Muay Thai….The Warren brothers are a slight waste of space really…

[Voice]

bagging belongs on the HIJACKER'S thread boys. Do your worst there, but give me back my thread here!<img src=icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

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'If it bleeds, we can kill it...'(yet another priceless Arnie quote)

[laughingstock]

Ive new on this forum, and ive been sitting LMAO with all the **** people write.
horinika and chacha u guys crack me up.

[Seth_2]

i think before coming on and puting your 2 bobs in you should just look around the threads and get the jist of what this forum is about.. i find it amusing how all the people that are bagging others have only a hand full of posts. i recomend for those people to search the "respect" thread and give it a glance ey? or just stick to the hijackers thread..

i find it hard to believe that all of you's are in a position to critisize people on the forum, let alone some1 that actually gets in there and gives it his best.. this forum is about the muaythai, this is definately my passion as is for many others.. negative comments are rarely tolerated...

you'll find that we are all nice people and great to communicate with on so many levels. so just think about what youre saying and who youre sayin it 2 next time. thanx

Kind Regards,
Mitch Seth

"One World One Muaythai"

[kingy02]

hitzeroadjack,

RESPECT says you should talk to the person face to face or post your real name at least..... Fair enough you are entitiled to your own opinion but sad to LOSE FACE.

[hitzeroadjack]

Exactly,

Respect start with the fighter in the ring :

Respect to the other fighter. Put up a good fight, give 100%.

Respect to the paying public. Don't give up when you feel that it is getting a little too hard.

Respect to your trainer. No comment, he has got his own issue with that.

Respect to the promoters. They cover your charges for you to fight, not for your vacation and piss up time.

This has happened with the Warrens on several occasions.

Useless. I understand he is your best mate from the forum business, fair enough. That's all he is good for.

[Mungkorn]

Jack where do you fit into all this, fighter or just a spectator, have you fought in the ring to be able to comment on what you have to go through in the ring.........just asking.....

"One World One MuayThai"