strength development for fighting !!

[Matt83]

guys just a question on strength development for fighting ....
do most of you guys that compete etc rely on your body weight for training ( dips , chins , push ups etc ) or do you incorporate weights into your training ?? and if you do do you use heavy low rep weights or more higher reps ....

be great to here from some fighters ....

Cheers Matt

[humble]

all and everything, timed in cycles ofcourse.



Dont mistake my harshness for strength and neither mistake my kindness for weakness.

[Voice]

maybe mick siebert might read this and give his strength training routine that has delivered him an unbeaten record! Most unorthodox...<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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'If it bleeds, we can kill it...'(yet another priceless Arnie quote)

[Matt83]

ide be interested to here about that for sure .... as im a heavy weight myself

[promoboss]

MAtt83
Incorporating resistance training with your normal training of rounds,pads sparring & body weight exercises is a must BUT don't forget the cardio.
It's no use having all the strength in the world & no gas to push the engine, over time you will find what works & what doesn't work for YOU.
Also nutrition plays a big part in all of this as well, give me a call my number is on my website so we can discuss this further if you would like.:)

It's Better to Burn Out than to Fade Away

[humble]

If i ever get rich enough I'm going to fund research into this overhyped rubbish about "cardio".

Sports specifics. SPORTS SPECIFICS! whats the use of sitting on a heart rate of 125-150 constantly for 30mins to an hour when your in the ring for 3 mins flat stick at sometimes 180+ with the added cocktail of adrenaline to boot?

It just doesnt make sense, and neither is there any physiological adaptation to that type of stress unless ofcourse as voice said, your mick siebert and your only in there for 1 minute raise your heart rate to 110 and then have recovery time of all night <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> booze.


you have to train your body to function under lactic acid conditions as if its normal. lactic acid is not an enemy. lactic acid is your friend and a great fuel, otherwise we wouldn't of been blessed with it. Theres a reason why we don't burn "fat" while we're fighting yet burn more of it sitting down or going for a walk.

read the works of greats like ian king and charles poliquin, fred hatfield and charles stacy and you'll understand conditioning in a better light.

I'm not completely discounting cardio, but really, its overhyped to the max!

Dont mistake my harshness for strength and neither mistake my kindness for weakness.

[Voice]

mick jokingly claims to be on a KFC training regime Matt if you are wondering. It's partly true, though he does not booze (even though from Darwin).

It's interesting why you ask about strength for fighting. Often ultra muscular guys blow up in no time as they carry too much muscle mass and lactic acid is a major problem.

The ideal athlete in my view is Carnage...not overly muscular but possesses great power and also the aerobic ability to surpass normal limits.
Look at Steve McKinnon...like the example I used above, this is the reason I reckon Carnage will beat him; Steve will tire and blow up while Carnage is moving into top gear.

So to answer your question, everyone's body type is different but I'd say to train weights for strength and conditioning while combining with endurance training so you can actually engage that power for 3 or slightly more rounds. Moderate reps with moderate weight will help achieve this. I agree with humble, I don't quite see the point of 10km run for a heavyweight, when perhaps 3-4km at greater speed might resemble more the endurance of a fight.

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'If it bleeds, we can kill it...'(yet another priceless Arnie quote)

[Mungkorn]

As Jake the Muss would say too many weight and not enough speed work bro, shadow boxing with hand weights should be the only weights you need, just to learn to keep those hands up other than that your body weight is enough, remember you want to be a fighter not a body builder...........IMO.........

"One World One MuayThai"

[Matt83]

Not interested in bodybuilding at all or big muscles ...... just functional ones for fighting !!

Hey Promoboss hows it going ?? i was the one who came up to you in shooters on the gold coast and quickly said hello ( last k1 event dec 10th ) :)

[Cheen Machine]

I personally do both. Weughts on Tuesdays and Thursdays and i do kickboxing classes on mon wed thur and train on the bags and pads on tues and fri. at the end of all classes we do between 30-50 push ups, dips and crunches and the higher blokes graded do 15 chin ups as well


You can talk all ya want but talk is cheap.

[humble]

to mung and others. using weights doesn't automatically make you a meat head bodybuilder, unless ofcourse you train like one then you have no one to blame but yourself.

try powerlifting with olympic lifts and plyometrics yet maintaining an adequate diet so as to not add non-functional water-retented muscle.

The advantages of weight training are far too numerous to list otherwise you would not have elite athletes using them.

do a search on limewire, bearshare or other search/share programs and look up sugar shane moseleys training clip. look up others such as cro-cop vanderlai and others. you'll notice theyre elite fighters yet still incorporate weights and by no means are slow sluggish and non functional.



Dont mistake my harshness for strength and neither mistake my kindness for weakness.

[Bushi]

http://www.mattfurey.com/bodybuilder_apologizes.html

Thought you might be interested.

Bushi

"Yours in Bushido"

[stacky]

I belive weights slow ur speed right down, so what i do is run with ankle and wrist weight so its more of a intense run that wont strain ur musles 2 much.

But i do think weight r good off seasion when ur not in fight mode.

[Micko]

I believe that weight training is good. To improve strength and explosive power do 3sets 6reps of a heavy weightdo only compound exercises eg. Bench, Upright row,bar curl, pull downs, jump squats.
You won't develop huge muscles but will gain lots of strength and power. This means u can throw your opponent around with ease and can punch through his guard, and knee more accurately with force.
Training by doing 400m sprints, flat out 3min bag/thai pad drills is better than jogging 10ks.
Thats what I think anyway.

[dutts72]

I agree here with Humble

Lots of you guys sound like chicks...oh I dont wont to have big muscles!!!

Why not increase your power, strength and endurance?

"Muay Thai Never Dies"
"Life in Every Breath"
Ome Mane Padme Hum

[promoboss]

Hi matt73,
I hope you get to make some sense out of all this, boy it was packed at shooters after the fights I had 2 leave early for a 620am flight back to sydney so it was a quick night for me.
Off to thailand to train on friday so i will definately come back a bit lighter, still in the 3 figure range though.

It's Better to Burn Out than to Fade Away

[Matt83]

Nice Promo nice ........ have fun over there and im sure you will let us know how it all goes !!

Dont think ill ever be escaping a 3 figure weight either :)