JWP vs Zambo tactics

[Voice]

I'm glad Zambo took the fight against Buakaw as both are genuine quality and the fans want to see the best fight. In context of the K1 Max fighters it seems a slight gap is forming. As good as Zambo is I don't think he is yet in the class to win it. It will be very interesting to see the Zambo/JWP matchup as JWP is a very similar fighter to Buakaw and the fight could play out in a similar fashion.

For JWP to win I think the gameplan would be as follows;
. lower thigh kicks in every exchange. JWP has the shins to cut Zambo down and they are hard enough to damage even if Zambo checks. I think this will be a key area in gaining points and keeping Zambo on the back foot.
. powerful mid level round kicks into the guard of Zam in similar way that Sakmongkol and Yod did to JWP, hurting the forearms. The only problem with this as per last time they fought was that Zam walked through a lot of them and collected JWP with hands.
. front foot push kicks...perfect tactics for keeping the little guys away. This technique runs strongly in the Parr household
. avoid head level kicks. These have never been effective against Zam as it is a small and well guarded target and he will easily move onto the inside and counter. Like all quality boxers, Zambo's upper defences are very tight.

For Zambo to win the formula is simple;
. work his way on the inside and throw strong hooks and overhands. He has shown he is one of the best punchers in the world and there is no reason to think he should change this tactic. He can KO anyone. I can't see kicks from Zambo being a factor in this fight.

Now I'm not trying to label this a kicker vs boxer fight as JWP's handskills and Zambo's kicks are both of high quality but I feel both will stick with their strengths and the above gameplay will play out.

Depending on the rules of the night (which I suspect will limit the grapple to flying knees only) I can't see knees being a major factor. A major shame as in the first fight while JWP was nailing Zambo with knee after knee, Zam was swinging and connecting with hooks.

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Edited by - voice on 05 Feb 2006 08:05:25

[Seth_2]

i think a few step up knee's could slow Zambo down.. if he is in close workin an arsenal of punches JWP always has the option to keep scoring and slowing zambo down with a knee or 2

"One World One Muaythai"

[fastfrank]

I think JWP's knees will come in very handy because of the height diff and body kick

[Dynamite Drew]

JWP should win easily

great kicks
great knees
can hold his own boxing

JWP just needs to fight smart and use his array of kicks and knees and he should win easily just like Buakaw did

zam only has a big punch which is useless unless he can land it and get a KO

Masato X2 , Kohi and now Buakaw proved this

Besides his KO of Kraus a few years ago now and a dubious decision against JWP , Zam has trouble beating big name K1 max fighters as they know how to nulify his big punch

We who are truely brave will never live in fear!

[Seth_2]

JWP uses much more lengthy punches which on top of his height advantage (hahah he'll enjoy hearin that) will trouble zam because he uses mainly overhand shots and hooks, uppercuts etc. much shorter punches..

and well the less said about zam's kicks the better.. JWP will win UPD

"One World One Muaythai"

[staves]

quote:
As good as Zambo is I don't think he is yet in the class to win it.
Edited by - voice on 05 Feb 2006 08:05:25


IMO is more stylistic, guys like zambo in MAX and sefo and lebanner in K-1 just don't have the style to win tournaments.

[Voice]

I think some of you guys are underestimating Zambo. DD of course loves to think of him as a bum but I think this fight will be very close. I don't think JWP will KO Zambo so that means lots of pressure both ways and a close fight. I'm sure some of the Vic k/b lads will agree.

And don't forget this is a Tarik Solak Production and Zambo is his boy. If the rules permit unlimited grappling which would be a huge advantage to JWP I would be most surprised.

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[Bushi]

quote: And don't forget this is a Tarik Solak Production and Zambo is his boy.

Hmmm, I think I read what you're "insinuating"...<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

quote: If the rules permit unlimited grappling which would be a huge advantage to JWP I would be most surprised.


Dumfounded even...

As with A1, the fighters / camps apparantly "negotiate" the rules, why not just say it's K1 Max rrules as both have fought under them, are familiar AND have some knowledgable NEUTRAL judges under these rules...

Then, may the best man (JWP) win..<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Bushi

"Yours in Bushido"

[Seth_2]

quote:Then, may the best man (JWP) win..
hahahaha LMAO, geez that was subtle bushi.. lol

"One World One Muaythai"

[Voice]

interesting isn't it the amount of 'modified A1 rules' fights on the No Respect cards.
If A1 is Tarik's 'original' set of rules, then why modify most of the fights?
Anyone heard of 'modified K1 rules'??

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Edited by - voice on 05 Feb 2006 20:29:15

[Bushi]

Yep, there's either SET rules or not..but as YOU said..

quote: And don't forget this is a Tarik Solak Production and Zambo is his boy.

Perhaps Tarik could then put on a rematch in BNE under FTR, just to make sure it's all fair and square..<img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

But seriously, let's hope this fight is not dogged by "controversy"..

Bushi

"Yours in Bushido"

[Imsta]

We all know JWP is a fast shooter and very accurate so Zambo will have to come to this fight with a bullet proof vest and a metal head guard. Zambo will have to be smarter for this fight because he can not rely on his windmill/haymaker punches and pray/hope to Zoos he hit one. Lol.

[johnny_619]

Mike wants this fight more than any other fight on the planet. He has asked Tarik time and time again to make sure its on and finally it is!

Mike aint gonna hold back from the first minute. Expect Mike to be fired up and ready to go!

Its gonna be a brawl and JWP just better hope that he doesnt make the same decision Baris Nezif made when he backed out onto those ropes.

This is the fight Mike wanted, he has it and he will beat him AGAIN!

No grapple in A1! Never has been and never will be!

Dont think Mike can be out boxed and when he gets inside, JWP cant hold! So, expect some unloading to take place.

I think Schiavello will need a heart monitor ringside cause he will die just from commentating the entrances. His gone to all good book stores to get some nice quotes for this one.

I cant wait for this one!

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[Matt J]

dont even insinuate that tarik would "rig" a decision. trust me, he wouldnt give a damn if zam lost.

"and well the less said about zam's kicks the better"

thats a serious overstatement, you're making it sound like he cant kick. zambidis kicks well enough. it wont be the deciding factor, but he can kick well enough to keep you honest.

[johnny_619]

quote:
dont even insinuate that tarik would "rig" a decision. trust me, he wouldnt give a damn if zam lost.

"and well the less said about zam's kicks the better"

thats a serious overstatement, you're making it sound like he cant kick. zambidis kicks well enough. it wont be the deciding factor, but he can kick well enough to keep you honest.




I agree with EVERY bit of that!

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[Matt J]

as well you bloody well should!

[johnny_619]

quote:
as well you bloody well should!




No worries megale<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>



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[allanf]

hahaha are you serious guys, Tarik is Zambidis number 1 crowd puller, as if he wouldnt care, its a must win for Zambo!!!

[Seth_2]

quote:thats a serious overstatement, you're making it sound like he cant kick. zambidis kicks well enough. it wont be the deciding factor, but he can kick well enough to keep you honest.


of course he can kick otherwise we'd doubt how he made it as a KICKboxer.. but i dont think he can match to the seasoned shins on JWP and even if he does land a few kicks on JWP they will be straight in2 a wall of shin coz of JWP's rock solid defence..

and besides zambo heavily pads his feet and instep's...

"One World One Muaythai"

[johnny_619]

Seth go to OPSM and grab some glasses and look at the pads mike wore against bukaw.

they where either skin colored or he didnt have any on at all!!!!!!!!!



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[Micko]

Just hope JWP doesnt go into the fight with stitches in his shin this time. He has the best defence and can take a smashing so I dont see Zambidis KOing him. JWP by points

[Bushi]

Yeah Johnny...this was the first time i can rememeber Mike not wearing ankle supports for a long time, I was going to comment earlier but never got around to it.

That did stand out though.

Zam has improved BIG TIME with his kicks....

Bushi

"Yours in Bushido"

[Ziggy]

i think as long as JWP doesnt try to out box Zambo and works that tip of his and picks at his legs, i think he'll win UPD.....cant see either of them knocking each other out

[Hironaka]

Zambidis is too short, too one-dimensional, rarely switches up game his plan and has been exposed through his K1 Max matches.

JWP cruises to a UD.

[zito]

hironka

thats ur opinion and ur entitled to it but cmon are u on another planet !!!!at least hes starting 2006 fighting one of the best k1 max fighters and hes becoming more of a complete k1 fighter as time goes on so u really do think that if he was 2 short etc he will be fighting at this level ???

[Dynamite Drew]

i agree with Hironaka

guess Im not the only one who doesnt rate Zam that isnt afraid to say so

We who are truely brave will never live in fear!

[Hironaka]

quote:
hironka

thats ur opinion and ur entitled to it but cmon are u on another planet !!!!at least hes starting 2006 fighting one of the best k1 max fighters and hes becoming more of a complete k1 fighter as time goes on so u really do think that if he was 2 short etc he will be fighting at this level ???




I'm still trying to figure out what you're saying, but my initial point still stands.

Masato, Buakaw and Kohi have exposed Zambidis for what he truly is, a short, one-dimensional slugger who is either easily frustrated and thrown off his gameplan or has no gameplan to begin with.

What could he have done differently against Buakaw? ****ed if I know, but what it really showed is that he has learnt nothing from his losses.

[zito]

Hironaka
excuse my ignorance but u sound like zambo got ko ....he is still adapting to k1 and is only improving and correct me if im wrong but dosent zambo have the hightest ko% in k1? that dosent sound like a fighter that is a short one dimential slugger with no game plan ?? he the most explosive fighter on the circut and that obvious by k1 decision to match him in a super fight with bpp and he held his own in that fight so stop being so narrow minded.

[Seth_2]

Johnny_619.. i havnt seen nefin from the fight with buakaw.. im just going on what ive seen in previous fights

"One World One Muaythai"

[johnny_619]

quote:
Zambidis is too short, too one-dimensional, rarely switches up game his plan and has been exposed through his K1 Max matches.

JWP cruises to a UD.






Lets get this right drew and Hironaka, Mike can be exposed in K1 by the better fighters, yet has beaten Kraus and JWP.

Seeing as though his opponent is JWP, whats his excuse for being exposed by the big names? No offence to JWP, but Mike gets beaten by the big names right becuase his too one dimentional, why does JWP lose EVERY time he fights a big name?

Yea thats alright Seth but everyones argument about him having an unfair advantage and using pads flew out the window.

Bukaw didnt really beat the crap out of him and it never showed. He out worked him but thats it. Im proud of mikes efforts against bukaw even though he lost. I truley put it in the way that he lost, bukaw didnt win, because the match was there for the taking, he just wasnt fit enough or hungry enough.

Mikes prep is going to out do the prep for the bukaw fight ten fold. He was rushed in thailand, now he has time to re-coup in greece and work on JWP.

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[Voice]

quote: Masato, Buakaw and Kohi have exposed Zambidis for what he truly is, a short, one-dimensional slugger who is either easily frustrated and thrown off his gameplan or has no gameplan to begin with.


LMAO.
Great deduction Sherlock, Buakaw and Masato are K1 Max champions and Zambo lost to both so he must be a bum, right?

I'm a big fan of JWP but in fairness I note he hasn't beaten several of the top runners either so do you claim the same about him?
If you possess probably the best hands in the world what is wrong with a little uno-dimension when you KO most of your opponents?

JWP doesn't KO anywhere near as many opponents as Zambo, yet you criticise Zambo for being mundane.

Like Mattj I get tired of reading garbage from DD who doesn't rate Zambo whatever his achievements. Few other fighters in the K1 electify crowds and provide such a great spectacle. Simply going the distance with the awesome Buakaw means you are a champion, just as JWP has shown against Sakmongkol and Yod.

Zambo is the best kickboxer in the world at his weight...give a little credit for his achievements in K1 as he has earnt a place in the top 5 or 6.

Agreed, neither will KO the other so that means a 5 round WAR!

and alas, for the first time in my life I find myself agreeing in part at least with Johhny!<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Edited by - voice on 06 Feb 2006 21:11:03

[Dynamite Drew]

voice .... what achievements in K1 are ya talking about for Zam ?

a win over kraus 3 or 4 years ago and some KO wins over relative unknowns makes him in top 5 or 6 ? cmon mate

he has been beaten soundly by Masato twice , by Kohi and now by Buakaw, that hardly rates as achievements

his dubious win over JWP doesnt rate as achievement in K1 as it was not a K1 fight , neither was the Gurkan fight

Mike Cope has a win over him as well (non K1)

so how can you state.... 'Zambo is the best kickboxer in the world at his weight...give a little credit for his achievements in K1 as he has earnt a place in the top 5 or 6.' ????

im very interested to hear your reasoning .....







We who are truely brave will never live in fear!

Edited by - Dynamite Drew on 06 Feb 2006 22:03:01

[Ziggy]

quote: I truley put it in the way that he lost, bukaw didnt win, because the match was there for the taking, he just wasnt fit enough or hungry enough.


johnny_619

Bukaw's hand was the one that got raised at the end of the bout, not being a smart ass but i would rate that as a win. seeing that fight yes zambo did get out classed but so what it was aganst one of the best fighters in the world. i think there are only like 3-4 fighters in the 70kg catagory that are on the same skill level as him. JWP got out classed by Yod and thats nothing to be ashamed of either i meen where talking about guys that trained there asses off at the ages of 6-8 with 100+ fights. it takes a true champon to last 5 rounds aganst these 2 so i wouldnt be taking it away from either of them, or any person that fights a fighter on the same level as Yod or Bukaw

[Voice]

well Drew, let me see.
Zam has made the K1 finals in the past 2 consecutive years, no? So that makes him top 8 at worst, right?

I just pulled out the JWP vs Zam fight and they looked K1 rules to me.
How quickly you are to put people down, especially those in the class of Zambo.
Ah yeah, the Mike Cope one you love to bring up...cut stoppage. That must mean Cope is a better fighter than Zam in your eyes.

We aren't talking Gerkan 5 yrs past his prime here, Zambo has fought close fights with the best and deserves to be ranked there. I said before he is not top 3 but I believe he (along with JWP) are in the next bracket of 3 at K1 rules.

Maybe I should leave Mattj to argue with you, he has a skill at that I could never hope to acquire.


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Edited by - voice on 06 Feb 2006 23:10:22

[Matt J]

drew, i think its debatable if either zambidis or parr are in the top 5 or 6, but i also think you arguably could place them in there. its not that clear cut.
both zambidis and wayne parr would fit into a k1 max ranking somewhere after buakow, masato and souwer. after that it gets a little up in the air. the k1 max is top heavy. outside of buakow and masato there isn't anyone with a really outstanding record there (in the k1 max i mean, not overall). so you could arguably come up with a varied rating but any number of placements could possibly have merit.
who else is there? kraus? yeah maybe him in top 4, put him there, zambidis knocked him out easily so already zambidis is scoring points. souwer? even as a current max champ his record is flaky. he benefited from a weak max this year and pure luck. he had a good win over kohi but got an already busted up yasuhiro next and got a gift decision over buakow. whats he done apart from that? takeda? please. oh he got ko'd by kraus as well. not exactly stellar all things considered.
so who else? mork? still untested, hasnt mixed it up with the calibre that masato, buakow, zambidis, jwp, kraus and co have.
parr? his record is just as up and down in max as zambidis, if anything zambidis' is arguably a little better.
finally zambidis beat parr in an official k1 event, so it counts. you didn't agree with the decision? cool. just as many didn't agree with the decisions zambidis had against him against kohi or the first masato fights.
so really, why shouldnt zambidis be in say the top 6? who's record there is overwhelmingly better apart from the top 3 or 4 guys. there you go drew, prove you can actually come up with a well reasoned explanation instead of your typical drivel.


so why dont you tell us exactly how you would rate say the top 6 and let us pick it apart?



Edited by - Matt J on 06 Feb 2006 23:26:22

[johnny_619]

Guys relax, drew has his only little points system.

He makes it up, just so Mike Zambidis isnt seen as a fighter in a top 5 or 6.

Everyone is acting like Mike got hammered against Bukaw,yet even the score cards showed there was nothing to be ashamed of on mikes part. Every Zambo hater has been on giving him **** for the loss, yet when JWP lost to Yod, I couldnt even find the friken result on the site because everyone disappeared.

As Voice said, I totally agree that Mike can be very one dimensional. I think he is losing as of late because he is trying too many different techniques instead of keeping to his basic hand combos that he had in the past.

Drew always brags on about this KO punch. Yes, mike has the best in the world and one that thousands in Japan die to see! You can find a thai boxer everywhere you go in K1, Bukaw, Kraus, Masato, JWP all from thai origines, but Mike Zambidis has an unorthodox and unique fightstyle that makes him who he is.

I laugh how getting a split decision loss is being soundly beaten by an opponent. I'm not gonna go in those debates but I will rate Bukaws win as convincing as the Masato win over mike in 2005. nothing to be ashamed of at all. Yet we can all see and we know that he can do much better.

In Mikes prefered style of kickboxing he is still pound for pound the best!

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Edited by - johnny_619 on 07 Feb 2006 10:57:36

[Hironaka]

The point that I was making was that it is not about getting hammered by Buakaw, which you rightfully point out he wasn't, yet he was beaten soundly. Nor is it about comparing Zambidis' Max record to JWP's, nor is it about the dubious decision in the first fight or his KO ratio.

My intial point was about being beaten by Masato, Kohi and Masato again and not seeming to learn anything from the losses or try anything different. He employed the exact same style against Buakaw as he did against Masato and Kohi and again, it got him no where.

They have practically provided JWP with a blueprint as to how to take him apart, unless of course, he changes up his style somewhat and we all know that isn't happening. While you always have to fear Zambidis due to the dynamtie in his right hand, he has proven to be very, very beatable.

In addition, as a traditional slow starter with a height disadvantage, he is always going to be up against it in Max.

Is he in the top 6 in Max? Of course he is. How many of those above him could he possibly beat? I would say he has the best chance against Souwer and possibly Kraus.

[Dynamite Drew]

i can think of atleast 7 current fighters i rate higher than Zam , in no particular order .....
1. JWP
2. Masato
3. Kraus
4. Kohi
5. Buakaw
6. Souwer
7. Remigijus Morkevicius


We who are truely brave will never live in fear!

[Matt J]

what basis can you possibly have for rating parr or mork ahead of zambidis in max. you go on about zambidis' record in k1, well parrs is actually inferior. mork hasn't fought anybody yet.
like i said, give an explanation, and going by the stringent logic you use when it comes to zambidis, it better be watertight!

[Dynamite Drew]

Mork is an awesome fighter and just because he has only had the odd fight in K1 so far doesnt mean he is not worthy

Go watch some of his other fights and you would know why

JWP has fought only top notch fighters in K1 and not any lower level Japanese fighters like Zam has so his record may on paper not look at as good as Zams, but when you see that Zam has a win over Kraus from 3 or 4 years ago loses to Masato X2 , Kohi and Baukaw , against the top level fighters , Zams record aint that flash either


When Zam consitently wins against big name fighters both in K1 and around the world then you can call him the best in the world , but he has a long way to go and a lot of other big name fighters to fight

We who are truely brave will never live in fear!

[Matt J]

drew have you ever seen that classic 80's horror film Scanners? there was this famous scene where a guys head explodes in graphic detail after a guy used this mind power to do it.not a bad film but stay away from all the sequels!
anyway, the point is i think trying to follow your logic and see the consistensy in your "arguements" could pretty much do the same thing to someone. in fact i felt my head starting to pulsate a little while on this thread and i know i'm not that punch drunk even though i took a few good shots to the head.





quote:
Mork is an awesome fighter and just because he has only had the odd fight in K1 so far doesnt mean he is not worthy

Go watch some of his other fights and you would know why


is that your answer? seriously? go watch his fights? i've seen his fights and i know he is a pure slugger, even more wild and unorthodox than zambidis whose style you always make a point of dumping on (anyone else feel the pulsating feeling yet?). i also know he hasn't fought anyone of note yet in max yet, so no, he is not worthy of being ranked over proven fighters in the k1 max, despite wether you like the proven fighter or not. beating good fighters and losing competitive decisions to top guys doesnt make you a bum drew. logic drew, its your friend, not your enemy. im not your enemy either, because i'm scared you're trying to blow my head up.

quote:
JWP has fought only top notch fighters in K1 and not any lower level Japanese fighters like Zam has so his record may on paper not look at as good as Zams, but when you see that Zam has a win over Kraus from 3 or 4 years ago loses to Masato X2 , Kohi and Baukaw , against the top level fighters , Zams record aint that flash either


jwp has fought only top notch k1 fighters? ok, who?
kraus? loss. buakow? loss. who else? arslan? by your definitions he shouldnt be regarded as a top max fighter as he doesnt have much k1 ringtime, but even if you decide to twist your own logic, parr lost anyway. so who were the top max fighters then? ludwig?
zambidis has fought 5 of top 7 guys you rated yourself!
zambidis has fought kraus, buakow and masato twice as well as kohi and parr. already more top guys that parr in the max. the "lower level" japanese fighters your talking about are the sort of guys mork has been feeding on so far. but hang on, you rate mork don't you??


quote:
When Zam consitently wins against big name fighters both in K1 and around the world then you can call him the best in the world , but he has a long way to go and a lot of other big name fighters to fight


oh you mean like mork, parr, kohi etc? parrs record is comparable and mork hasn't fought anybody, yet you rate them and not zambidis! cant you follow your own logic? christ make it difficult at least drew!
and anyways, apart from kraus who are the big names that kohi has "consistently beaten"? he got slaughtered by buakow, imagine zambidis got stopped! you would say his fighters license should be revoked!






Edited by - Matt J on 08 Feb 2006 00:44:07

[Voice]

good grief, if that doesn't slow him down, nothing will. It is almost like a Zam vendetta DD has for no particular reason. Your wifey needs to give you a little neck and head massage DD.

Now onto other things, I watched again Zam/JWP from a few yrs back and very interesting to see from round 2 (the one Zam won clearly) he just kept chopping at JWP's front leg, whether on the deck or in a checked state. Seemed to put JWP off his game a little. Certainly both these guys have shins of steel.
After the repeated chops he then moved onto the inside for the usual handwork. Seemed a pretty good tactic to me.

Then in the last round JWP got some lovely front kicks to the head in. I think this is a key tactic to defeat Zam...continued push kicks to the mid level and head.
While JWP's hand work is way above average for a kickboxer/MT fighter, I still believe it would be a mistake to attempt to outbox Zam who has wicked KO power.

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[johnny_619]

Drew Dynamite obviously takes drugs while he writes his posts. I will say no more. And yes, I am dead serious.

Good to see we are going back on the topic Voice.

Mike did hammer those legs in the second round, at one stage lowered the gaurd and just hammered them. JWP go a great combo right at the end which Mike just sat there and took. I think going down the middle is JWP best bet, which may mean utilising push kicks and straight rights.

Yet Mike Zambidis without clinching I dont see how JWP can manage to cut down Mike in close.

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[Seth_2]

JWP's tactics.. rehearse the baukaw fight and imitate it exactly.. hahahaha just messing.. i think this thread has gotten a bit off topic and a bit personal ay boys?

"One World One Muaythai"

[johnny_619]

quote:
i can think of atleast 7 current fighters i rate higher than Zam , in no particular order .....
1. JWP
2. Masato
3. Kraus
4. Kohi
5. Buakaw
6. Souwer
7. Remigijus Morkevicius


We who are truely brave will never live in fear!


In order:

1.Bukaw: Champ and finalist in 2004/05.
2.Masato: Champ in 2003 and finalist in 2004.
3.Kraus: Champ in 2002 and finalist in 2003. One of two who has beat Bukaw.
4.Souwer: Champ in 2005, beat Bukaw on the way, yet hasnt had the best of records before hand.
5.Zambidis: Beaten a reinging champ and has gone the distance with Bukaw and Masato. Beat JWP.
6.Kohi: Beaten Zambidis, yet hasnt shown form elsewhere.
7.JWP: Hasnt beaten anyone in top 6, yet going an extra round with Bukaw earns him a spot in the top 7.

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Edited by - johnny_619 on 09 Feb 2006 15:37:24

[Hironaka]

quote:

In order:

1.Bukaw: Champ and finalist in 2004/05.
2.Masato: Champ in 2003 and finalist in 2004.
3.Kraus: Champ in 2002 and finalist in 2003. One of two who has beat Bukaw.
4.Souwer: Champ in 2005, beat Bukaw on the way, yet hasnt had the best of records before hand.
5.Zambidis: Beaten a reinging champ and has gone the distance with Bukaw and Masato. Beat JWP.
6.Kohi: Beaten Zambidis, yet hasnt shown form elsewhere.
7.JWP: Hasnt beaten anyone in top 6, yet going an extra round with Bukaw earns him a spot in the top 7.


Spot on

[Voice]

fair enough, and you'd possibly argue the Top 4 have a bit of a gap on the field.
Fair to say the fight in Melbourne (unforeseen incidents aside) will settle this rambling argument of which of these guys deserves to be ranked higher in the K1.

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[Hironaka]

quote:
fair enough, and you'd possibly argue the Top 4 have a bit of a gap on the field.
Fair to say the fight in Melbourne (unforeseen incidents aside) will settle this rambling argument of which of these guys deserves to be ranked higher in the K1.


In my opinion, it is the top three has a big gap on the rest of the field. I can understand the rational in placing Souwer at 4, given he just won the GP, however he was far from convincing and there was too many variables that went his way for my liking and I just can't consider it a 'clean' tournament victory.

You could argue that the gap between 4 - 7 is extremely close and as you said, one fight could alter the rankings considerably.

[Voice]

yes, I can see that point. I thought Souwer deserved it as he is still on the up and up. Having won the Max (albeit in dubious circumstances) he's gotta have a lot more in store you'd think.

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[supermario]

Buakaw and Masato are obviously the best K-1 Max has to offer, 1 & 2 respectively. I think Kraus, Souwer, JWP & Zambidis round out the top 6 in no specific order as of yet, only time will tell. There's no doubt that on any given day any of these fighters can beat the others. Max should have a belt holder, they can still have the GP, just like Pride do. 10x3 min round title fights would be cool. One question, if Max is for middleweights, why do they fight at 155lbs/70kg, shouldn't the weight limit be 160lbs/72kg?? I'm certain the former weight limit is junior middleweight/super-welterweight.

[Hironaka]

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Buakaw and Masato are obviously the best K-1 Max has to offer, 1 & 2 respectively. I think Kraus, Souwer, JWP & Zambidis round out the top 6 in no specific order as of yet, only time will tell. There's no doubt that on any given day any of these fighters can beat the others. Max should have a belt holder, they can still have the GP, just like Pride do. 10x3 min round title fights would be cool. One question, if Max is for middleweights, why do they fight at 155lbs/70kg, shouldn't the weight limit be 160lbs/72kg?? I'm certain the former weight limit is junior middleweight/super-welterweight.



With K1, they are their own governing body, so that can pretty much create the weight classes and name them as they see fit. It happens a lot with different MMA organisations such as Pride, UFC and Shooto.

For example:

185lbs = Pride Welterweight, UFC Middleweight
205lbs = Pride Middleweight, UFC Light-Heavyweight
165lbs = Pride Lightweight, UFC Welterweight, Shooto Welterweight



Edited by - Hironaka on 09 Feb 2006 17:38:14

Edited by - Hironaka on 09 Feb 2006 17:39:22

[Dynamite Drew]

johnny 619

you have no bloody idea who i am so please dont say crap like i take drugs

I DONT TAKE DRUGS !!!

i rarely take normal western medicines either

comments like that just show how petty , immature and lost for decent arguement you are

We who are truely brave will never live in fear!

[johnny_619]

With all respect Drew, your comments stumble me and lead me to no other avenue other to point your brainset in the area of a matured drug user. I hope its not true. Drew I didnt bother rebutting and using a good argument becuase your arguments make no sense.

Lets not go to old arguments, becuase Mike only fights the best kickboxers in the world. When he goes to K1 he also fights the best and so what if he loses he puts in a fight. But that doesnt put him on the outter tier of K1 Max fighters.

All b/s aside, The gap certainly is for the top 2, both Masato and Bukaw have shown they are hard to beat no matter what.

I dont know, maybe its because I keep on seeing the decapitator, when I think of Kraus I think of a guy that has a few holes in his armor.

Souwer did deserve to win the Max, but then again, you can argue Bukaw fought at a really weak state, when Souwer basically walked from the semi to the final.

From 4-7, these guys will keep on making Max good to watch. I think all on their day can win the GP.

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