Zambidis wins K-1 Max!

[rebel]

what a night! I thought Zam and Parr would go to an extra round, but Zam got the win. I was hanging for one more round! Good for Zam though, he looked great tonight as did JWP! How awesome was Stan Nandex's KO??

[krama]

Yes - an absolute ripper of a night!!

Great fights - Parr was very tough, cleaning up Chapman in the semi's and having a ripper of a fight against ZAM. I must say being a huge Zam fan, last night was the first time I was worried about the result. Parr ripped apart ZAM with knees in the first, which clearly hurt ZAM, but merely woke him up - he came out blazing in the second, rocking Parr with great punches, from here on it was an absolute war!.
In the third, ZAM increased the pressure, Stans instructions were to chop the legs and it worked well - ZAM came close to KO ing Parr but PARR grappled and survived. A very close fight, both fighters exhausted by the end, I believe it was either a draw or a close win to PARR for winning the first, and thowing knees - an extra round I believe would have gone Zams way.

[delusion]

what JWP won by a mile the judges seen it wrong

[John K]

Zambidis and Wayne Parr was close, but Zambidis deserved it. I thought it was even after two rounds (first rnd Zambidis, 2nd rnd Parr though it could have been the other way round) and a bone tired Zambidis just dug deep and threw everything he had left in the last round to have Parr looking shaky and taking the round. No disrespect but Parr spends too much time making faces and flashing that silly grin. I'm glad Mike won.

[harls]

I also believe JWP clearly won the fight. I was watching from the first row of the balcony and could see very clearly(there were no ropes and corner posts to look through) and I can tell you the crowd reacted to almost everything Mike threw, which was a shame as the majority of punches and attempted jumping knees he threw that were cheered, were taken on the gloves or were fresh air shots. So the cheers must of affected the judges' scorecard. I've also come to realise some time ago now that Ref Dave Hedgecock is Muay Thai stylists nightmare, he breaks up grapples too early and if Bryce Birstwhistle was used in the final instead, the fight could have ended with a knee to the head on three occasions. Also in modified thai rules(K-1 rules), knees are supposed to score highest followed by kicks, then by punches, so think about that for a moment. I had JWP winning the first 2 rounds and sharing the third with Mike. JWP simply had a higher work rate and dominated the fight with clean knee strikes and rib kicks while mike was stronger in the hands department. Don't get me wrong though, Mike did fight extremely well last night but after seeing last nights final, I have to say the decision was one of the worst i've witnessed and the so called title of the worlds best pound for pound kickboxer must now go to the man they call "John Wayne".

[paul c]

I thought it could of gone either way and was expecting another round, but didn't see it as a blatant anything.

I was going for wayne to win.

[John K]

No, this is K-1, NOT Muay Thai. Knees aren't supposed to score higher, thats rubbish. Worst decision ever? Oh my God relax!
JWP did barely anything as far as hands and kicks went, Zambidis clearly cracked Parr a couple times and had him hurt.

[John K]

In K-1 rules no weapon is supposed to have preference over anything.

[JANER]

JWP what a grouse fighter to watch live! Zam is another mad fighter to watch but how did Zam win so easily on two of the cards?

JWP won the first, than the second he 'just' got it and the third JWP got rocked by Zam as Zam took it easily! The second round could of gone really either way....

BUT! didnt Zam lose a point!!!?? If you work out the math its either a definite draw or JWP has the decsion. Prove me otherwise please!

[harls]

Modified Thai rules are the same as K-1 rules, knees but no elbows but according to yourself the scoring is different. Maybe you are right and I'm wrong though I heard the K-1 originally adopted these rules(modified thai) when it first began in the early 90's but now it is known in this particular circuit as K-1 rules. So with that maybe they changed the scoring system. Anyway who cares now. I still believe and so do the people I was sitting with(some were Zam fans too) JWP should still have got the decision. REMATCH!!!!!

[harls]

I'm pretty sure Zam lost the point in his fight against Jenk.:)

[paul c]

Janer

Dude, excelent point.
I was just driving to the bank and only remembered a couple of minutes ago Dave pulling a point from Zam. But now don't remember in which of Zams fights it was.

Parr was awesome.
The guy proved to me that he's an absolute machine.
Us Melbourne guys have known about Mike being just that, but don't get to see Wayne fight as often. I can't wait for a re-match in a non tourny event.

[John K]

No JANER, Zambidis lost a point in the fight with Behic.

[John K]

That was how I pretty much saw it, 1st for jwp (close), 2nd for Zam (close) third for Zam in a big way.

[rebel]

I was leaning towards Zambides in my scoring though I would have loved an extra round!

[paul c]

Some pics from last night


Chopper V Mahoney

http://message.axkickboxing.com/images/user_uploaded/Paul/DSC_0005.jpg

[paul c]

Parr V Tui

http://message.axkickboxing.com/images/user_uploaded/Paul/DSC_0107.jpg

[paul c]

Jenk V PNG fighter

http://message.axkickboxing.com/images/user_uploaded/Paul/DSC_0122.jpg

[paul c]

Zam V PNG fighter

http://message.axkickboxing.com/images/user_uploaded/Paul/DSC_0187.jpg


I have to save the better connection shots for the mag guys. There was two of us for Blitz shooting last night, so there should be some amazing images in the next Kickboxer.

[paul c]

Zam V Behic

http://message.axkickboxing.com/images/user_uploaded/Paul/DSC_0325.jpg

[paul c]

Same guys

http://message.axkickboxing.com/images/user_uploaded/Paul/DSC_0148.jpg

[paul c]

Jenk Behic just as ref stopped the fight.

http://message.axkickboxing.com/images/user_uploaded/Paul/DSC_0170.jpg

I'd travel a thousand miles to watch Jenk fight. Incredible heart and fight spirit.

[paul c]

Stanley Nandex KO's his opponent.

http://message.axkickboxing.com/images/user_uploaded/Paul/DSC_0225.jpg

[remy]

Excellent fights. But i was dissapointed with the stoppage of Jenk. I wasn't in the ring to see, but in the spirit of the fight I don't understand why it was stopped. Anybody close to the action see something that I didn't.
I was confident that JWP would get the decision over Zam. Without seeing the replay I think JWP won both the first and second. Zambidis caught JWP at the end of the 2nd round to have him unsteady, but that isn't enough to win a round while a fighter is still on their feet.
For me JWP was the winner. I'm sure he gained many more supporters on the night. Many people would have been watching him live for the first time.

[John K]

I thought Zambidis rattling Parr was the most significant moment of the second round hence I shaded it to him, plus he was a bit busier I felt with leg kicks.
As for why they stopped the Behic fight...christ remy, look at the mans face, they were stupid to let it go as long as it did!

[Servant]

Draw.
1st for Parr
2nd Even
3rd Zambidis

If it went an extra round like I expected, my money would have said Zambidis. He was tired but Parr was hurting more than him.

[paul c]

Anyone,

Are the pictures loading up a decent size????

Last night they were working fine on my computer, but this morning I'm only getting mini tiny little thumbnails.

I have to go back to macintosh. These windows machines just have too much stuff that you need to know about.

[Dowgy]

Paul,

pictures are perfect on my PC. As usual, your timing and the quality of your pics are superb

[Axekick157]

Paul C. you pics are looking large and clear, great shots.

[Axekick157]

What a great final with Zambidis and JWP, Judges will be judges but I had JWP in front at the end of the third. His work rate in the first two rounds was a lot hirer than Zambidis. (eg in one grapple Zambidis received 14 knees from JWP) Zambidis did win the last. Even if the Judges didn't give the fight in favour of JWP I still think that it should have been a draw.

At the end of the night JWP & Zambidis where talking (through STAN) on the steps of Melbourne Town Hall about a re-match or even some sparring. Both fighters looked in good spirits and JWP even joked about him winning the next fight. It was great to see good sportsmanship, its what the sports needs.

I

[paul c]

Zam with a flying knee to Jenk Behic

http://message.axkickboxing.com/images/user_uploaded/Paul/DSC_0127.jpg

[paul c]

http://message.axkickboxing.com/images/user_uploaded/Paul/DSC_0124.jpg

[krama]

Guys, the decision to stop the Behic fight was the right thing to do. There is no point making the injuries worse, the bloodbank would have met their months quota that night! - also, this is not Thailand were the more blood the better, I firmly believe ZAM could have finished off Behic - he had plenty of opportunities in the second to simply go crazy with a few hooks, Behics defences were gone, but is seems he chose not to.
In relation to JWP - yes he started strong - brilliant combos etc, but once ZAMs game plan started taking effect, smash the lead leg, get in the body rips, JWP was not looking so good - I believe one more round would have gone ZAMs way - no doubt. I hope JWP has the integrity to admit ZAMs shots hurt him and were taking their toll.
I must say JWP was bloody awsome! Just imagine ZAM if he was 6ft tall!

[paul c]

Hehe Krama,

Dejavu

I was just talking about that an hour ago with a mate.

[Insider]

Just like everyone has already said, this was close as can be. I would have had no prob either way whoever got the decision. I'm glad Zambidis won.

[paul c]

Baris Nezif left and Mike Zambidis.

This one should be good. I think Baris is going to have to dig deeper than he has had ever.

That's quite a height difference.
How the hell does Mike manage to produce so much power.
It honestly isn't too far an exaggeration when people say he hits like a heavyweight. Certainly not as hard as a Mark Hunt, but **** you can really sense his power when you hear those body shots of his connecting.

[paul c]

whoops, forgot the picture

http://message.axkickboxing.com/images/user_uploaded/Paul/DSC_0357.jpg

[remy]

Jenk didn't look that bad from where i was sitting. Meaning I should get closer seats. But don't say Zam could have finished it earlier but decided not to. Zam didn't take it easy. He gave what he had in a war.

[Servant]

you're bloodthirsty remy. jenk looked terrible, pissing blood from about 3 different spots and he had his head snapped back from another clean knee and was slumped against the ropes when dave stopped it. christ man, if anything they waited too long to stop it, that 2nd cut was enough to stop the fight, letting jenk go on his kamikaze mission got him busted up worse.

[remy]

I could see the blood, if the doctor gives the ok, then keep going. I didn't realise the welt under his eye was so bad and didn't see the cut on his forehead until Paul posted the pic. Hedgecock had the best view. I still think the doctor should decide. The doctor probably would have stopped it, but I prefer the doctor make the decisions in regards to cuts. I still beleive Jenk wasn't going down. But Hedgecock might have seen his eyes roll back for a second and decided to stop it for that reason. He has a better view than myself I guess.

[harls]

I agree with you Remy, the fight between Jenk and Mike should have continued- hell there was only 6 seconds left in the fight and whenever Jenk got caught he would counter immediately,eg spinning backfist or heelkick. His trainer Johnny Scida looked like he was thinking about throwing the towell in in the third but hesitated because Jenk kept working after being caught. Stoppage aside I believe it was the fight of the night and well done to both fighters, especially Jenk, you took the fight to mike and took some of his best shots and had the heart of a lion for continuing when a lesser fighter would have crumbled. As for the final, absolutely everyone at the gym where I train believed Parr should have got the decision( even the Zam fans!) and I believe the wrong man is going to Japan!

[K UNEM]

WHEN ON FOX???

[spoon]

Yes, yes, when is it going to be shown on telly??

[JANER]

December 20 on fox 1 at 830pm

[Brept]

I think all the fighters in the k-1 middle weight should fight a full muay thai tournament for a change insted of k-1 rules what a night of action that would be. What do you people think? and who do you think will be in the final if it went a head.

[JANER]

How friggin boring would that be man... Grappling can get scrappy and look lathargic. Stick to K1!

[harls]

I actually think it would be great to see. I believe that some of the fighters would pull out though(eg. Zambidis and maybe Behic), because they are not really schooled in full thai technique and their style would have to be changed dramatically as to not get sliced and diced from elbows, throwing body shots and telephone box style boxing would be alot more dangerous. Also grappling is "supposed" to be the most boring part of Muay thai from a spectators viewpoint, and this is already allowed in K-1 rules and in my opinion and in that of so many others, elbows are the most brutal,vicious and therefore interesting weapon there is! also legal leg catching and dumps would change the fight even further, making it even more interesting. I also think Parr and Dawson would be in the final if they both competed
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Edited by - harls on 02 Dec 2002 12:44:17

[Pete M]

Sounds like an awsome night
i just got my computer fixed (telstra, cable)
and i haven't been on for a while and i was reading
everyones posts.
could some one please tell me how chopper chapmans fight went?
and was dawson or cope in it?
and was it better than last year?

[harls]

It was the best tarik promotion for some time, first fight chopper def Mahoney on points and went on to take on JWP. He was KOd by JWP in the 3rd by two right hands creating two knockdowns. JWP stopped Tui in the 3rd in his 1st fight and went to the final against Zambidis after disposing of chopper. Zambidis disposed of his 1st opponent quickly before taking on behic who also KOd his opponent. It was a great fight between these two but was stopped 6 secs before the end of the fight in favour of Zambidis. The final was a great fight too with the judges giving it to Zam on points, though most people believe including myself that JWP did more than enough to win, so there you have it!
Dawson and Cope did not fight.


Edited by - harls on 02 Dec 2002 17:07:32

[paul c]

It was a good show Pete,
I'd rate it as good as last years.

The Zam V Behic fight was spectacular. To me the absolute highlight of the night.

Imagine how much better it would have been with Dawson and Cope.

Hopefully next year we'll get an all star line up. I'm not having any digs here guys. I realize how tough it must be to get something like this lined up so that it suits everyone.

[John K]

most people I spoke with agreed with the final decison. I guess some fights are meant to be debated about!

[paul c]

Your right John,
anytime a fight is close we're going to have differing oppinions.
People will always want to see their favorite fighter win, and will react when someone says the opposing guy deserved it more.

Far to close for me to be dissapointed either way.

[sethridge]

quote:
I actually think it would be great to see. I believe that some of the fighters would pull out though(eg. Zambidis and maybe Behic), because they are not really schooled in full thai technique and their style would have to be changed dramatically as to not get sliced and diced from elbows, throwing body shots and telephone box style boxing would be alot more dangerous. Also grappling is "supposed" to be the most boring part of Muay thai from a spectators viewpoint, and this is already allowed in K-1 rules and in my opinion and in that of so many others, elbows are the most brutal,vicious and therefore interesting weapon there is! also legal leg catching and dumps would change the fight even further, making it even more interesting. I also think Parr and Dawson would be in the final if they both competed
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Edited by - harls on 02 Dec 2002 12:44:17

[sethridge]

harls i think your right as a fellow muaythai fighter if it was full thai rules zam and jenk wouldnt stand a chance, with there body hits they would get sliced up with elbows. i dont think there is a kickboxer in the country who would beat muaythai fighters like cope, chopper ,jwp,dawson. under muaythai rules!!!!!!!!!! lets face it kickboxers are a step down from muaythai stylists. kickboxers have no style they just swing haymakers and stupid spin kicks, hoping they score a knockout..please.. i dont think any kickboxer would beat soren monkongton, arron leigh, the preacher , ben burton....

[paul c]

I think you underate kickboxers Seth.
Sure, if it was an MT rules fight yeah.
But, no one seems to want it in Melbourne except the guys that train in the Art. If the spectators turned up, I promise you that every show would be full MT rules.

Nezif fought The preacher and stopped him with one of those wild Haymakers.
The Preacher is a great fighter. I'd actually like to see a re-match some day.

[remy]

On that logic, MT fighters are inferior to MMA fighters.

[rebel]

OMG not this boring argument again? Seriously how insecure must some MT stylests be because all they do is go on about how invincible the art is and how everyone else is an inferior being. lol! I think its not hard to see that these guys do more than swing haymakers, please!

[sethridge]

fair enough. ive never seen baris fight is he good? is he powerfull

[JANER]

Baris knocked out the jewish preacher in both their fights.

[harls]

I never bagged or criticised standard USA rules Kickboxing, hell I love boxing and ALL combat sports. True I have a soft spot for Muay Thai and I do train in the Art but I love it ALL. When I was quoted earlier it was regarding rules and the fighters styles regarding those rules. One point to mention though is that some Muay Thai fighters do fight their style and are doing well in mixed martial arts events such as the UFC, Just look at Maurice Smith. I also "think" Dawson has or is, giving shootfighting bouts a go too and JWP is also taking on a Japanese shootboxing champion by the name of Goto on the Boonchu cup card on the 15th. So a mixed martial artist can be a Muay Thai stylist ALSO. They are generally known as strikers in the sport, as opposed to grapplers. <img src=icon_smile_8ball.gif border=0 align=middle>



Edited by - harls on 10 Dec 2002 15:06:12

[harls]

Another point I forgot to mention, in reply to Paul C, is that regarding what people actually want to see. Regarding full thai rules, It is NOT that people in Melb don't want to see these fights, it's that three quarters of the fighters in Melb are not trained to use their elbows and the quarter that do train using elbows, in all honesty, generally shy away from full thai rules. There are just not enough blokes who are willing to fight with elbows in Melb for the spectators to look at. Just look at QLD and WA, spectators just love watching their "elbow fights" because more guys are willing to give it a go. If more people fought with elbows in melb, full thai rules would spread like wildfire!:)

[JANER]

Muay Thai is boring to watch, period. Remember the TWO best thai fighters on tariks k1 card at the showroom? How friggin boring is that man... Even Tarik said he will never put a muay thai fight on his show again. So the promoter answered your question as to why we dont see muay thai

[paul c]

I've seen some great MT fights over the past few years, but I'd love to see someone put on a show that allows elbows and knees, but K1 rules grappling.

Though, I don't know if I could sit through the Ram Muay's on an all MT 10 fight card. Man, that would be testing.

[paul c]

I forgot to mention in my earlier post.

I hate cuts.
I hate when a fight is stopped because of a cut.
It just seems to happen too often in MT fights.

But again, I love watching elbows.
I know this probably sounds inconsistant.

[JANER]

You hit the nail on the head Paul. Elbows will be great but ABSOLUTELY NO GRAPPLING (ie. love making).

[harls]

Didn't you say Janer that you though JWP was "a grouse fighter to watch live" at the K-1 max? Strange because more than half of his work rate was with knees in the grapple. Also you said stick to K-1 rules instead of full thai rules in response to brept, because grappling can get scrappy and lethargic. Well grappling(which you hate) is already allowed in K-1 rules(which you like??) and full thai rules is almost the same as K-1 rules but with elbows,leg catching and dumps included. So if you can already handle watching K-1 rules(which INCLUDES "love making" i.e. grappling), why not add elbows(which you said would be great)to make, you guessed it ,FULL THAI RULES! K-1 rules + elbows etc= Full thai rules. Also on the topic of Tarik Solak, he favours and promotes more standard USA rules and K-1 rules bouts. Why? because he was a standard kickboxer with a taekwondo background and he trains/manages Kickboxers, not muay thai stylists. Judging muay thai on one full thai rules bout is laughable(especially on a Solak show as opposed to a QLD/WA show), especially when most of the USA rules kickboxing undercard bouts on his shows are of a very low standard and are boring to watch. <img src=icon_smile_8ball.gif border=0 align=middle>

[JANER]

Smart logic but your missing the idea.

Answer this question:

Are you alowed to grapple the same amount of time in K1 and Muay Thai?

[JANER]

Werent the 2 thai fighters the best in there country? The Tank and the other was The Bicep or something?

If they were the best fighters to offer, show me the bad ones!

[spycrack]

Janer,

Both the Tank and Chat Chai were from the same camp in thailand...both were past there prime and to add to that the fight was without a doubt an exhibition match...if you have the tape the announcer even says that both are from ISS camp...You shouldn't judge real muay thai fights from that...as for the best muay thai has to offer, i believe tarik bought over thailands best years ago when Dendenai fought Gurkan, Sackmonkol fought Soliman and Sangtienoi fought Marcus Mangan, tose were probably the best thailand had to offer and they put on a good show from all reports

[JANER]

Spycrack, didnt know all about that. I was there when Tarik and Thais V Australia.

Gurkan was the one who could of won easily if he didnt retire injured.

[spycrack]

no they werent the best Thailand had to offer, it was clear the fight was an exhibtion match anyway as the announcer said they were both from the same camp, also both were past there prime...However, Thailands best were brought over by Tarik some years ago, when Sackmonkol, Sangtienoi and Dendenai fought Soliman, Mangan and Ozkan respectivley..all of them put on a good show beating there opponents convincingly (Ozkan was stopped by a knee to the jaw)

[remy]

Chris Allen fought as well that night. The Thais won 4-0 but I wouldn't call them all convincenly. The fights were competitive.

[harls]

In full thai rules, the grapple will be immediately broken by the ref if there is not enough work going on(watch a fight tape from Thailand). So It is the same principle as the K-1. In the K-1 max and the K-1 on Monday night, the ref would let the grapple go on if there was work going on. So it's pretty much the same. It depends on the ref too, some tend to break grapples early and some let it go on, it's up to the ref's discretion.

[spycrack]

Janer,

I think your a bit one sided when it comes to gurkan...and he retired from a broken jaw that dendenai caused when he kneed him in the head, so i don't know what your talking about when you say he could've won....he lost fair and square...Gurkan was and maybe still is good, but he's not a legend IMHO.

[sethridge]

Harls, spycrack i aagree 100%. Janer why dont you get in the ring and fight with knees .ie."lovemaking" Kickboxing bouts held in melbourne are a very poor standard, and i dont mean oskan,jenk,cope,foley. Its the undercard that is very poor.its very scrappy with no techniqe. like when fatih hassan won the aust title PLEASE!!!! for a title fight that was a low standard and boring fight to watch. Watch a Boonchu or scott bannen or phon martdee promotion every fight and i mean every fight is high standard.MT state titles in QLD,SA,WA are a much MUCH higher standard let alone aust title.

[paul c]

I have to agree with Seth here.

For televised fights, I think it's really important that people whom love tuning in on Fox, but whom may not at this stage be attending live events, see the absolute best amateur fights possible. And if their given the opportunity of putting on guys with 3 fights experience, or guys with 10 fights. I'm sure we'd all prefer to watch the 10 fight guys.

And again agree with Seth, that the Queenslanders do in general give us better undercard fights. Though, not all Queensland shows have been matchmaking marvels.

Harls, I'm sure you right in theory of stopping the grapple when it becomes too slow, but you must admit the refs do let it go quite often to the point where we see the crowds yawning.

I think we should all agree to disagree here.
Some of us are never going to appreciate the finer points of grappling. I guess we'd just prefer to see that minute wasted get used up with big punches and headkicks.
The rest of the forum members will see International rules as a watered down version of their real sport (MT).

[JANER]

Spycrack, didnt Gurks agrevate an already bad neck/jaw? Fill me in please

[tylerdurden]

Thai vs Aus.

Please were we beaten easily
Sackmongkol chased Soliman around the ring for 5 round even kicking out of the ring. If he stood and fought he would have been KO'ed

Mangan & Sangtenoi, Sangtenoi's strength is not kicks and he beat him with that alone.

Allen vs Nengtrakaun, going hard the first 3 rounds doesn't cut it but he did OK.

Ozkan vs Dendenai, Ozkan got KO'ed by a knee

Songchai was told to bring his best to OZ and left with a bad taste in his mouth.

[Sucuk]

itwas a bad night as the aussies got hammered &we saw the end of Tibet Hamza in da boxing fight

[Glenn]

The Australians were beaten easily by the Thais.
Ozkan got ko'd and made up the expected "injury" excuse he's used too many times in his career.

[allanf]

Glenn you have no idea, those exusues are proper excuses he uses, his got the biggest heart and balls in the buisness, maybe you should give him some credit. Fact OZKAN HAS NEVER BEEN KNOCKED OUT!!!!

[JANER]

Come one glen, Ozkan did not drop that night. He hurt his neck and he told the crowd that. The thai had no idea what was goin on. I bet if he did knock gurks out he would of been well aware of it.

Ozkan was the only real chance to beating any of the thais. He was clearly winning before aggrevating his injury.

Alllanf, your right mate. Gurkan has got balls espcecially to jump in with heavyweights and you reckon he is gonna fake an injury against a little thai? That was NOT a knock out. It was retired hurt.

[paul c]

Hey guys, didn't Mangan defeat that same fighter in a later re-match in Sydney?


I'm not stating a fact guys, but asking a question.
I saw a tape several years ago, and the Thai fighters name whom Marcus fought sounds familiar, so was wondering if it was this same fighter.

[Brept]

Janer,

Have you ever stayed in Thailand for more then 1 month and gone to Lumpinee and watched world class fights if you have you must of been sleeping at the time. I think you should train and fight or even just go for and educational trip to learn muay thai and then you will appreciate how important grappling is and also learn the back ground and the many centuries of tridition gone into the sport.

Thank you

[sethridge]

A few months back in QLD there was a promotion QLD vs THAILAND. and if i recall QLD won every fight easily. that just shows the standard between melbourne kickboxers and QLD thai stylists. And i agree brett there is a techniqe behind grappling and takes a long time to learn and use it effectivly! JANER doesnt have a clue!!!!

[spycrack]

Sethridge,

the thais brought over for the qld promotion where nowhere in the same league or standard as the ones songchai brought over, sangtienoi etc. would have beaten anybody in Aus. at the time.

Paul C

You are thinking of Jom Bing, Mangan lost 1 and won 1 against this thai...but he never rematched sangtienoi

[JANER]

teach me how to grapple! lol

[JWP]

I will grapple you Janer, you might be able to teach me something. I can show you how much that love making can hurt.
John Wayne

[JANER]

I have just been threatened by the world best western thai fighter! ****!

Im sorry JWP dont take me! I didnt mean it! heheh :)

[tylerdurden]

Just noticed on the pics (great by the way Paul) that it looks like Iron Mike has padding under his ankle guard WTF, a pro with padding. This boyz a top fighter but someone should teach him not to kick with his ankles LOL.

Ozkan has never been ko'ed, only stopped by a knee to the head with and injury so he couldn't continue lol. Ozkan has got big balls no doubt about it, but did he say he stopped the fight because of 'injury' or did someone tell someone who heard it from ....

[Michael Schiavello]

lse belive me when he doesnt.The fact of it all is i have in my heart and soul have never lostcHi to my fans,and friends.This is one of the times i will defend myself,only cause not only was it stupid of me to fight that nite,but life thretning.To represent my country Australia,was at that time the ultimate honour,so the facts are,five days from the fight,fit as and just running thru some grapling drills,i had Leeroy healping me out at glenroy gym and he was weight wise 112-118kg,i had my head in front of his cheast,and for some reason he put his weight on the back of my head and i collapsed instantly to the floor,for 2-3 seconds and got back up,with the embarresment and finished the session shadow boxing.That nite i drove sraight to Dr Peter Lewis and he gave me a referal to go and see the next day Proffeser Kay at Royal Melbourne hospital.I had a mra scan one,and itd showed up as slipped a disc between 4-5.Pro Kay told me and have a leeter stating that if i fight this Sunday that i would be in danger of been paralized.Not only did i go a head and fight,but out of 5 Aus vs 5 Thia,i was the only Aus to put an 8 count on my opponent Dendenia.Tarik and Dr lewis only let me fight on the condition that they would stop the fight the moment my neck gave in,and it did spazem up in round 4,it was a 5x3 elbows and knees,i dont make excuses just facts,any one that doesnt want to except the facts can ring Dr Peter Lewis 0408-352-706 or professer Kay.And thats only one fight,for the record i have never been knocked out,and any fight that i have lost in the past only i no the facts and surcumstances of it,i will not sit hear and tell you,ho i had a sore hand or sore back,that is for wingers.The truth is one day i might shed some light to that,but if in the sport Tarik solak is ment to be the closest to me,then he doesnt even no to the full scale of it,so why should any one at 100% so that is why i am getting better physicaly and mentaly with every fight.One thing i will let you guys no,iam starting to train hard now for my fights,look up to now i didnt quite understand much about trainning,for 10 years i have come this far by only trainning 4-6weeks max at a time,then have a break and so on,but ever since the heavyweight days,i was carriying 16kg and lost,they all and i mean all write me off,finished i started to take controll of my carrear,and start to train to the max of my ability,and words are cheap,from now on you are going to see the best of me,and i will prove it by taking a part Stan,and what ever challenge that comes my way,i will make my critics eat thier words,its funny in my personal life i dont have one enemy,but in this sport i have a lot of critics,and a lot of jelous people,but thats the fun part of life i guess.ous gurkan.. Hi to my fans,and friends.This is one of the times i will defend myself,only cause not only was it stupid of me to fight that nite,but life thretning.To represent my country Australia,was at that time the ultimate honour,so the facts are,five days from the fight,fit as and just running thru some grapling drills,i had Leeroy healping me out at glenroy gym and he was weight wise 112-118kg,i had my head in front of his cheast,and for some reason he put his weight on the back of my head and i collapsed instantly to the floor,for 2-3 seconds and got back up,with the embarresment and finished the session shadow boxing.That nite i drove sraight to Dr Peter Lewis and he gave me a referal to go and see the next day Proffeser Kay at Royal Melbourne hospital.I had a mra scan done,and it showed up as slipped a disc between 4-5.Pro Kay told me and have a leeter stating that if i fight this Sunday that i would be in danger of been paralized.Not only did i go a head and fight,but out of 5 Aus vs 5 Thia,i was the only Aus to put an 8 count on my opponent Dendenia.Tarik and Dr lewis only let me fight on the condition that they would stop the fight the moment my neck gave in,and it did spazem up in round 4,it was a 5x3 elbows and knees,i dont make excuses just facts,any one that doesnt want to except the facts can ring Dr Peter Lewis 0408-352-706 or professer Kay.And thats only one fight,for the record i have never been knocked out,and any fight that i have lost in the past only i no the facts and surcumstances of it,i will not sit hear and tell you,ho i had a sore hand or sore back,that is for wingers.The truth is one day i might shed some light to that,but if in the sport Tarik solak is ment to be the closest to me,then he doesnt even no to the full scale of it,so why should any one else belive me when he doesnt.The fact of it all is i have in my heart and soul have never lost at 100% so that is why i am getting better physicaly and mentaly with every fight.One thing i will let you guys no,iam starting to train hard now for my fights,look up to now i didnt quite understand much about trainning,for 10 years i have come this far by only trainning 4-6weeks max at a time,then have a break and so on,but ever since the heavyweight days,i was carriying 16kg and lost,they all and i mean all write me off,finished i started to take controll of my carrear,and start to train to the max of my ability,and words are cheap,from now on you are going to see the best of me,and i will prove it by taking a part Stan,and what ever challenge that comes my way,i will make my critics eat thier words,its funny in my personal life i dont have one enemy,but in this sport i have a lot of critics,and a lot of jelous people,but thats the fun part of life i guess.ous gurkan.. Hi to my fans,and friends.This is one of the times i will defend myself,only cause not only was it stupid of me to fight that nite,but life thretning.To represent my country Australia,was at that time the ultimate honour,so the facts are,five days from the fight,fit as and just running thru some grapling drills,i had Leeroy healping me out at glenroy gym and he was weight wise 112-118kg,i had my head in front of his cheast,and for some reason he put his weight on the back of my head and i collapsed instantly to the floor,for 2-3 seconds and got back up,with the embarresment and finished the session shadow boxing.That nite i drove sraight to Dr Peter Lewis and he gave me a referal to go and see the next day Proffeser Kay at Royal Melbourne hospital.I had a mra scan done,and it showed up as slipped a disc between 4-5.Pro Kay told me and have a leeter stating that if i fight this Sunday that i would be in danger of been paralized.Not only did i go a head and fight,but out of 5 Aus vs 5 Thia,i was the only Aus to put an 8 count on my opponent Dendenia.Tarik and Dr lewis only let me fight on the condition that they would stop the fight the moment my neck gave in,and it did spazem up in round 4,it was a 5x3 elbows and knees,i dont make excuses just facts,any one that doesnt want to except the facts can ring Dr Peter Lewis 0408-352-706 or professer Kay.And thats only one fight,for the record i have never been knocked out,and any fight that i have lost in the past only i no the facts and surcumstances of it,i will not sit hear and tell you,ho i had a sore hand or sore back,that is for wingers.The truth is one day i might shed some light to that,but if in the sport Tarik solak is ment to be the closest to me,then he doesnt even no to the full scale of it,so why should any one else belive me when he doesnt.The fact of it all is i have in my heart and soul have never lost at 100% so that is why i am getting better physicaly and mentaly with every fight.One thing i will let you guys no,iam starting to train hard now for my fights,look up to now i didnt quite understand much about trainning,for 10 years i have come this far by only trainning 4-6weeks max at a time,then have a break and so on,but ever since the heavyweight days,i was carriying 16kg and lost,they all and i mean all write me off,finished i started to take controll of my carrear,and start to train to the max of my ability,and words are cheap,from now on you are going to see the best of me,and i will prove it by taking a part Stan,and what ever challenge that comes my way,i will make my critics eat thier words,its funny in my personal life i dont have one enemy,but in this sport i have a lot of critics,and a lot of jelous people,but thats the fun part of life i guess.ous gurkan.. Hi to my fans,and friends.This is one of the times i will defend myself,only cause not only was it stupid of me to fight that nite,but life thretning.To represent my country Australia,was at that time the ultimate honour,so the facts are,five days from the fight,fit as and just running thru some grapling drills,i had Leeroy healping me out at glenroy gym and he was weight wise 112-118kg,i had my head in front of his cheast,and for some reason he put his weight on the back of my head and i collapsed instantly to the floor,for 2-3 seconds and got back up,with the embarresment and finished the session shadow boxing.That nite i drove sraight to Dr Peter Lewis and he gave me a referal to go and see the next day Proffeser Kay at Royal Melbourne hospital.I had a mra scan done,and it showed up as slipped a disc between 4-5.Pro Kay told me and have a leeter stating that if i fight this Sunday that i would be in danger of been paralized.Not only did i go a head and fight,but out of 5 Aus vs 5 Thia,i was the only Aus to put an 8 count on my opponent Dendenia.Tarik and Dr lewis only let me fight on the condition that they would stop the fight the moment my neck gave in,and it did spazem up in round 4,it was a 5x3 elbows and knees,i dont make excuses just facts,any one that doesnt want to except the facts can ring Dr Peter Lewis 0408-352-706 or professer Kay.And thats only one fight,for the record i have never been knocked out,and any fight that i have lost in the past only i no the facts and surcumstances of it,i will not sit hear and tell you,ho i had a sore hand or sore back,that is for wingers.The truth is one day i might shed some light to that,but if in the sport Tarik solak is ment to be the closest to me,then he doesnt even no to the full scale of it,so why should any one else belive me when he doesnt.The fact of it all is i have in my heart and soul have never lost at 100% so that is why i am getting better physicaly and mentaly with every fight.One thing i will let you guys no,iam starting to train hard now for my fights,look up to now i didnt quite understand much about trainning,for 10 years i have come this far by only trainning 4-6weeks max at a time,then have a break and so on,but ever since the heavyweight days,i was carriying 16kg and lost,they all and i mean all write me off,finished i started to take controll of my carrear,and start to train to the max of my ability,and words are cheap,from now on you are going to see the best of me,and i will prove it by taking a part Stan,and what ever challenge that comes my way,i will make my critics eat thier words,its funny in my personal life i dont have one enemy,but in this sport i have a lot of critics,and a lot of jelous people,but thats the fun part of life i guess.ous gurkan.. Hi to my fans,and friends.This is one of the times i will defend myself,only cause not only was it stupid of me to fight that nite,but life thretning.To represent my country Australia,was at that time the ultimate honour,so the facts are,five days from the fight,fit as and just running thru some grapling drills,i had Leeroy healping me out at glenroy gym and he was weight wise 112-118kg,i had my head in front of his cheast,and for some reason he put his weight on the back of my head and i collapsed instantly to the floor,for 2-3 seconds and got back up,with the embarresment and finished the session shadow boxing.That nite i drove sraight to Dr Peter Lewis and he gave me a referal to go and see the next day Proffeser Kay at Royal Melbourne hospital.I had a mra scan done,and it showed up as slipped a disc between 4-5.Pro Kay told me and have a leeter stating that if i fight this Sunday that i would be in danger of been paralized.Not only did i go a head and fight,but out of 5 Aus vs 5 Thia,i was the only Aus to put an 8 count on my opponent Dendenia.Tarik and Dr lewis only let me fight on the condition that they would stop the fight the moment my neck gave in,and it did spazem up in round 4,it was a 5x3 elbows and knees,i dont make excuses just facts,any one that doesnt want to except the facts can ring Dr Peter Lewis 0408-352-706 or professer Kay.And thats only one fight,for the record i have never been knocked out,and any fight that i have lost in the past only i no the facts and surcumstances of it,i will not sit hear and tell you,ho i had a sore hand or sore back,that is for wingers.The truth is one day i might shed some light to that,but if in the sport Tarik solak is ment to be the closest to me,then he doesnt even no to the full scale of it,so why should any one else belive me when he doesnt.The fact of it all is i have in my heart and soul have never lost at 100% so that is why i am getting better physicaly and mentaly with every fight.One thing i will let you guys no,iam starting to train hard now for my fights,look up to now i didnt quite understand much about trainning,for 10 years i have come this far by only trainning 4-6weeks max at a time,then have a break and so on,but ever since the heavyweight days,i was carriying 16kg and lost,they all and i mean all write me off,finished i started to take controll of my carrear,and start to train to the max of my ability,and words are cheap,from now on you are going to see the best of me,and i will prove it by taking a part Stan,and what ever challenge that comes my way,i will make my critics eat thier words,its funny in my personal life i dont have one enemy,but in this sport i have a lot of critics,and a lot of jelous people,but thats the fun part of life i guess.ous gurkan..

[GURKAN OZKAN 68]

Im not familliar with the net so i used Micheals pass word before sorry about the mix up Gurkan Ozkan.

Gurkan

[Michael Schiavello]

lse belive me when he doesnt.The fact of it all is i have in my heart and soul have never lostcHi to my fans,and friends.This is one of the times i will defend myself,only cause not only was it stupid of me to fight that nite,but life thretning.To represent my country Australia,was at that time the ultimate honour,so the facts are,five days from the fight,fit as and just running thru some grapling drills,i had Leeroy healping me out at glenroy gym and he was weight wise 112-118kg,i had my head in front of his cheast,and for some reason he put his weight on the back of my head and i collapsed instantly to the floor,for 2-3 seconds and got back up,with the embarresment and finished the session shadow boxing.That nite i drove sraight to Dr Peter Lewis and he gave me a referal to go and see the next day Proffeser Kay at Royal Melbourne hospital.I had a mra scan one,and itd showed up as slipped a disc between 4-5.Pro Kay told me and have a leeter stating that if i fight this Sunday that i would be in danger of been paralized.Not only did i go a head and fight,but out of 5 Aus vs 5 Thia,i was the only Aus to put an 8 count on my opponent Dendenia.Tarik and Dr lewis only let me fight on the condition that they would stop the fight the moment my neck gave in,and it did spazem up in round 4,it was a 5x3 elbows and knees,i dont make excuses just facts,any one that doesnt want to except the facts can ring Dr Peter Lewis 0408-352-706 or professer Kay.And thats only one fight,for the record i have never been knocked out,and any fight that i have lost in the past only i no the facts and surcumstances of it,i will not sit hear and tell you,ho i had a sore hand or sore back,that is for wingers.The truth is one day i might shed some light to that,but if in the sport Tarik solak is ment to be the closest to me,then he doesnt even no to the full scale of it,so why should any one at 100% so that is why i am getting better physicaly and mentaly with every fight.One thing i will let you guys no,iam starting to train hard now for my fights,look up to now i didnt quite understand much about trainning,for 10 years i have come this far by only trainning 4-6weeks max at a time,then have a break and so on,but ever since the heavyweight days,i was carriying 16kg and lost,they all and i mean all write me off,finished i started to take controll of my carrear,and start to train to the max of my ability,and words are cheap,from now on you are going to see the best of me,and i will prove it by taking a part Stan,and what ever challenge that comes my way,i will make my critics eat thier words,its funny in my personal life i dont have one enemy,but in this sport i have a lot of critics,and a lot of jelous people,but thats the fun part of life i guess.ous gurkan.. Hi to my fans,and friends.This is one of the times i will defend myself,only cause not only was it stupid of me to fight that nite,but life thretning.To represent my country Australia,was at that time the ultimate honour,so the facts are,five days from the fight,fit as and just running thru some grapling drills,i had Leeroy healping me out at glenroy gym and he was weight wise 112-118kg,i had my head in front of his cheast,and for some reason he put his weight on the back of my head and i collapsed instantly to the floor,for 2-3 seconds and got back up,with the embarresment and finished the session shadow boxing.That nite i drove sraight to Dr Peter Lewis and he gave me a referal to go and see the next day Proffeser Kay at Royal Melbourne hospital.I had a mra scan done,and it showed up as slipped a disc between 4-5.Pro Kay told me and have a leeter stating that if i fight this Sunday that i would be in danger of been paralized.Not only did i go a head and fight,but out of 5 Aus vs 5 Thia,i was the only Aus to put an 8 count on my opponent Dendenia.Tarik and Dr lewis only let me fight on the condition that they would stop the fight the moment my neck gave in,and it did spazem up in round 4,it was a 5x3 elbows and knees,i dont make excuses just facts,any one that doesnt want to except the facts can ring Dr Peter Lewis 0408-352-706 or professer Kay.And thats only one fight,for the record i have never been knocked out,and any fight that i have lost in the past only i no the facts and surcumstances of it,i will not sit hear and tell you,ho i had a sore hand or sore back,that is for wingers.The truth is one day i might shed some light to that,but if in the sport Tarik solak is ment to be the closest to me,then he doesnt even no to the full scale of it,so why should any one else belive me when he doesnt.The fact of it all is i have in my heart and soul have never lost at 100% so that is why i am getting better physicaly and mentaly with every fight.One thing i will let you guys no,iam starting to train hard now for my fights,look up to now i didnt quite understand much about trainning,for 10 years i have come this far by only trainning 4-6weeks max at a time,then have a break and so on,but ever since the heavyweight days,i was carriying 16kg and lost,they all and i mean all write me off,finished i started to take controll of my carrear,and start to train to the max of my ability,and words are cheap,from now on you are going to see the best of me,and i will prove it by taking a part Stan,and what ever challenge that comes my way,i will make my critics eat thier words,its funny in my personal life i dont have one enemy,but in this sport i have a lot of critics,and a lot of jelous people,but thats the fun part of life i guess.ous gurkan.. Hi to my fans,and friends.This is one of the times i will defend myself,only cause not only was it stupid of me to fight that nite,but life thretning.To represent my country Australia,was at that time the ultimate honour,so the facts are,five days from the fight,fit as and just running thru some grapling drills,i had Leeroy healping me out at glenroy gym and he was weight wise 112-118kg,i had my head in front of his cheast,and for some reason he put his weight on the back of my head and i collapsed instantly to the floor,for 2-3 seconds and got back up,with the embarresment and finished the session shadow boxing.That nite i drove sraight to Dr Peter Lewis and he gave me a referal to go and see the next day Proffeser Kay at Royal Melbourne hospital.I had a mra scan done,and it showed up as slipped a disc between 4-5.Pro Kay told me and have a leeter stating that if i fight this Sunday that i would be in danger of been paralized.Not only did i go a head and fight,but out of 5 Aus vs 5 Thia,i was the only Aus to put an 8 count on my opponent Dendenia.Tarik and Dr lewis only let me fight on the condition that they would stop the fight the moment my neck gave in,and it did spazem up in round 4,it was a 5x3 elbows and knees,i dont make excuses just facts,any one that doesnt want to except the facts can ring Dr Peter Lewis 0408-352-706 or professer Kay.And thats only one fight,for the record i have never been knocked out,and any fight that i have lost in the past only i no the facts and surcumstances of it,i will not sit hear and tell you,ho i had a sore hand or sore back,that is for wingers.The truth is one day i might shed some light to that,but if in the sport Tarik solak is ment to be the closest to me,then he doesnt even no to the full scale of it,so why should any one else belive me when he doesnt.The fact of it all is i have in my heart and soul have never lost at 100% so that is why i am getting better physicaly and mentaly with every fight.One thing i will let you guys no,iam starting to train hard now for my fights,look up to now i didnt quite understand much about trainning,for 10 years i have come this far by only trainning 4-6weeks max at a time,then have a break and so on,but ever since the heavyweight days,i was carriying 16kg and lost,they all and i mean all write me off,finished i started to take controll of my carrear,and start to train to the max of my ability,and words are cheap,from now on you are going to see the best of me,and i will prove it by taking a part Stan,and what ever challenge that comes my way,i will make my critics eat thier words,its funny in my personal life i dont have one enemy,but in this sport i have a lot of critics,and a lot of jelous people,but thats the fun part of life i guess.ous gurkan.. Hi to my fans,and friends.This is one of the times i will defend myself,only cause not only was it stupid of me to fight that nite,but life thretning.To represent my country Australia,was at that time the ultimate honour,so the facts are,five days from the fight,fit as and just running thru some grapling drills,i had Leeroy healping me out at glenroy gym and he was weight wise 112-118kg,i had my head in front of his cheast,and for some reason he put his weight on the back of my head and i collapsed instantly to the floor,for 2-3 seconds and got back up,with the embarresment and finished the session shadow boxing.That nite i drove sraight to Dr Peter Lewis and he gave me a referal to go and see the next day Proffeser Kay at Royal Melbourne hospital.I had a mra scan done,and it showed up as slipped a disc between 4-5.Pro Kay told me and have a leeter stating that if i fight this Sunday that i would be in danger of been paralized.Not only did i go a head and fight,but out of 5 Aus vs 5 Thia,i was the only Aus to put an 8 count on my opponent Dendenia.Tarik and Dr lewis only let me fight on the condition that they would stop the fight the moment my neck gave in,and it did spazem up in round 4,it was a 5x3 elbows and knees,i dont make excuses just facts,any one that doesnt want to except the facts can ring Dr Peter Lewis 0408-352-706 or professer Kay.And thats only one fight,for the record i have never been knocked out,and any fight that i have lost in the past only i no the facts and surcumstances of it,i will not sit hear and tell you,ho i had a sore hand or sore back,that is for wingers.The truth is one day i might shed some light to that,but if in the sport Tarik solak is ment to be the closest to me,then he doesnt even no to the full scale of it,so why should any one else belive me when he doesnt.The fact of it all is i have in my heart and soul have never lost at 100% so that is why i am getting better physicaly and mentaly with every fight.One thing i will let you guys no,iam starting to train hard now for my fights,look up to now i didnt quite understand much about trainning,for 10 years i have come this far by only trainning 4-6weeks max at a time,then have a break and so on,but ever since the heavyweight days,i was carriying 16kg and lost,they all and i mean all write me off,finished i started to take controll of my carrear,and start to train to the max of my ability,and words are cheap,from now on you are going to see the best of me,and i will prove it by taking a part Stan,and what ever challenge that comes my way,i will make my critics eat thier words,its funny in my personal life i dont have one enemy,but in this sport i have a lot of critics,and a lot of jelous people,but thats the fun part of life i guess.ous gurkan.. Hi to my fans,and friends.This is one of the times i will defend myself,only cause not only was it stupid of me to fight that nite,but life thretning.To represent my country Australia,was at that time the ultimate honour,so the facts are,five days from the fight,fit as and just running thru some grapling drills,i had Leeroy healping me out at glenroy gym and he was weight wise 112-118kg,i had my head in front of his cheast,and for some reason he put his weight on the back of my head and i collapsed instantly to the floor,for 2-3 seconds and got back up,with the embarresment and finished the session shadow boxing.That nite i drove sraight to Dr Peter Lewis and he gave me a referal to go and see the next day Proffeser Kay at Royal Melbourne hospital.I had a mra scan done,and it showed up as slipped a disc between 4-5.Pro Kay told me and have a leeter stating that if i fight this Sunday that i would be in danger of been paralized.Not only did i go a head and fight,but out of 5 Aus vs 5 Thia,i was the only Aus to put an 8 count on my opponent Dendenia.Tarik and Dr lewis only let me fight on the condition that they would stop the fight the moment my neck gave in,and it did spazem up in round 4,it was a 5x3 elbows and knees,i dont make excuses just facts,any one that doesnt want to except the facts can ring Dr Peter Lewis 0408-352-706 or professer Kay.And thats only one fight,for the record i have never been knocked out,and any fight that i have lost in the past only i no the facts and surcumstances of it,i will not sit hear and tell you,ho i had a sore hand or sore back,that is for wingers.The truth is one day i might shed some light to that,but if in the sport Tarik solak is ment to be the closest to me,then he doesnt even no to the full scale of it,so why should any one else belive me when he doesnt.The fact of it all is i have in my heart and soul have never lost at 100% so that is why i am getting better physicaly and mentaly with every fight.One thing i will let you guys no,iam starting to train hard now for my fights,look up to now i didnt quite understand much about trainning,for 10 years i have come this far by only trainning 4-6weeks max at a time,then have a break and so on,but ever since the heavyweight days,i was carriying 16kg and lost,they all and i mean all write me off,finished i started to take controll of my carrear,and start to train to the max of my ability,and words are cheap,from now on you are going to see the best of me,and i will prove it by taking a part Stan,and what ever challenge that comes my way,i will make my critics eat thier words,its funny in my personal life i dont have one enemy,but in this sport i have a lot of critics,and a lot of jelous people,but thats the fun part of life i guess.ous gurkan..

[JKLA]

To JWP

After the fight with Zam, and the decision which didn't seem to be right, I noticed Tarik mentioning after the fight on the microphone that he will try and get you a shot in the K1 max Japan. Is this true? or maybe he is just playing to the crowd to compensate for the decision? Not to take anything away from Zambidis, I am actually a Zam fan, but I think you did enough to rack up the points for a win or at least a draw minimum.
You don't seem to have luck with decisions, I remember Judgment day 1 and several boxing fights where I think you deserved a lot more than what you got. Hope these bad decisions don't take anything away from you, 'cause you're a great fighter and I am sure we would all like to continue seeing you in action.
Cheers
Johnny KLA

[QUPNCY]

ozkan didnt get a broken jaw his neck was injured discs???
dont know where u got broken jaw from !!!!!