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All comments deleted as respect to Mungkorns wishes

Edited by - Russ on 03 Feb 2006 10:49:40

Edited by - Russ on 03 Feb 2006 11:00:37

[Mungkorn]

He has gone to Darren reece...........No comment......

"One World One MuayThai"

[harls]

That is usually the done thing, to ask permission to train another gyms (ex)fighter. Has he actually started training?

"Adapt, Improvise, Overcome"

[fastfrank]

What a dogs act.
I had so much respect for BOOM BOOM after hearing this its all gone
I hope he gets kocked out hard.
Training somewhere else is ok if you want 2 learn something different, but Russ took u to the top in a top m/t gym and he goes
to reece, is there more to it Russ.
Anyway loyaty is the key to greatness when u lose loyaty you also lose respect from alot of people.

[fastfrank]

Sorry Russ, bills a top trainer why did he leave?

[Mungkorn]

No Idea Frank, he hasn't told me why.............wont return or answer my calls..........

"One World One MuayThai"

[fastfrank]

Thats a dogs act hard,
Dont worry bill what comes aroung goes around.
He wont be getting my support anymore.

[Daz]

Just for the record Russ, Riddler had nothing to do with the "snide post" -that was my f#@k up. Just wanted to know what was going on but went around it the wrong way....I've spoken to Bill about it...


DC.

[DazMon]

Hmm, this is not a good act!

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[TAO @ JTS]

Russ, this is a pot you dont want to stir too much without all the info. bill is quite understandably upset by the situation. but its something that they will no doubt work out amoung themselves. your comments about riddler are unfounded and premature. if you have an opinion about boom boom over it - thats fine. but dont start making stabs darren over this, or bringing Chris White into this, to fuel the arguement.

it is a very sudden and "out of left field" thing to have happened, but you dont need to address it like this. we're all entitled to our opinions and i'm not trying to take yours away from you, but mud slinging and defaming peoples names is very hard to come back from.

CHOK DEE
TAO (JOOK)

[fastfrank]

Quote
Do you think Darrens going to promote you as hard as bill did....i dont.
Do you think Darrens a better trainer than bill....i dont.
Do you think you will be better off with Darren......stop laughing and answer.....i dont
Hehehe not hope
you fvcked up boom boom

[fastfrank]

Fvck im starting to laugh like bill<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

[CJ]

I read this forum quite a bit just to see whats going on in the world of muay thai but i have never made a post up until now... Russ, I dont know you from a bar of soap but who are you to start pointing the finger and start accusing anyone of "poaching"?? I know for a fact that Riddler didnt poach Eugene and somehow with Riddler and Bill in MWP together, he would have a bit more respect than that... And your comments about him being a bad trainer?? His fighters respect and hold him in the highest regard because he gives everything he has to them... and your comment about Chris being beaten by that Thai - all i can say is good on Chris for giving it a go - its more than i can say for some people and im sure he trained him the hardest he could. Just remember there arent many people Chris's weight so he has to take his chances.... Where Eugene went was his decision only - people cant make decisions for other people, it comes down to what they want. If Eugene wanted to learn more from a more experienced trainer that has trained and fought over 75 fights all over the world then good on him - he obviously knows what he wants. Eugene isnt a "fu*king dog" Do you know him? And as for bagging the riddler, why on earth would you bag him??? Its not his fault if Eugene approached him - thats insane to say he has no decency. If Eugene approached your gym, Im damn sure they wouldnt have knocked him back.... He obviously wasnt happy with where he was anymore so he looked for another option... Theres no point in staying somewhere if you dont want to. And how do you know Riddler didnt contact Bill to let him know that Eugene wanted to train with him... Obviously you dont know him very well....Just one more thing and this is to "fasfrank" - to hope someone gets knocked out hard is also pretty low... how could you wish something like that upon someone - what kind of person does that make you!!!
Your dead right Russ about there being "two sides to every story", maybe you should take the time out of your busy schedule and find out the other half? Dont get me wrong, Im not having a go, Im just letting you know that you should maybe find out the story a bit more before you start posting threads like this.... Arent we all supposed to be supporting each other......Criticism isnt going to get anyone anywhere....

[fastfrank]

Riddler could of asked bill and decussed it then there would be no bad blood. Its simple be honest

[Daz]

Also Russ the "no name" Thai you are talking about is Chao-He's a total machine & he would make short work out of most of the "name" Thai's including Roong chai...

DC.

[kattoi]

Yeah, you should know Harls... speaking of dogs

[Daz]

Get back to your hobby Kat...<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

DC.

[kattoi]

just came up for air, beats your hobby.....nil.. lol

[sityodtong]

Hey Kattoi,

Did you know that your user name is the thai word for LADY BOY? Great name!

[kattoi]

wow, really!!!!! well i'm not the best looking bloke, oh I mean women on earth! (sarcasm)



Edited by - kattoi on 01 Feb 2006 13:00:38

[CJ]

Fast frank - have you trained with Darren... if not then its probably not wise to suggest that he isnt as good as bill... Its not about whos better than who - its about what Eugene wants...

Russ - im sure if Riddler reads this, which im sure he will then he will reply to your post... - however Eugene decided to go about this, how is it really affecting you and why are you so angry about something that is in no way affecting you... Are you sure Riddler didnt contact Bill?? Because im pretty damn sure he did.....

This really isnt anyones problem apart from Bill and Riddler - your dead right again - so why make it our problem???

[zito]

russ stops being a baby thats the fight game mate

[Daz]

Maybe we could join hobby's Kat?...<img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>

DC.

[TAO @ JTS]

hi russ,

i know you'll say what you want regardless... and suppose its not really any of my business... but.

I'm pretty sure Darren and Bill would have discussed this matter considering the size of the issue. and as long as you feel it necessary to slander and defame darren, i feel compelled to defend him. i am one to say that i dont know to entirity of the story, but i know darren as a intelligent and discerning man who isn't about to get himself invovled in the middle of a conflict like this.

i'm just saying dont start pointing fingers and calling names. because regardless of how justified you think your arguement is... it causes more conflict in the long run and certainly not 'resolution'. put simply it is a matter for bill and eugene and perhaps darren to a degree to sort out themselves... and i'm pretty sure none of them really wanted it to become an open national Muaythai discussion for us all. the nature of this forum so often leads to open discussions but i think this is one thats best left alone by us all. and leave it to them.

calling names and drawing sides on the internet doesn't help anything really.

we all have opinions and thats a good thing but how we voice them is a delicate matter... thats all i'm trying to say.

i think thats enough said by me also

CHOK DEE
TAO (JOOK)

[harls]

Kattoi, YAWN.

CJ, I agree we should leave this to the 3 people involved. Enough has been said already.

"Adapt, Improvise, Overcome"

[harls]

Ditto, Tao..

"Adapt, Improvise, Overcome"

[kattoi]

please dont pick on me I will have to retire and complain that i am being picked on booo hooo booo hooo...

[harls]

Once again; YAWN YAWN. You must be a lousy fisherman with bait like that.<img src=icon_smile_sleepy.gif border=0 align=middle>

"Adapt, Improvise, Overcome"

[kattoi]

boo hoo boo hoo

[fastfrank]

Hay lady man,
have u had the full job done yet.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

[ninja]

God is the only one who knows and sees everything. Everything falls into its place eventually.....whether it will be good for both parties, or only one of them, time will only tell.

[Mungkorn]

Ok guys, enough has been said, Ive said my piece got it off my chest, but the bottom line is its between me and Eugene, leave Darren out of this, he did try to call me a few times but I wasn't ready to answer, I have called him back expressed my feelings, and darren has told me that Eugene will not be training with him till I have given my blessing and I will not give it till Eugene comes and sits down with me and comes to some agreement...........

"One World One MuayThai"

[kattoi]

absolutely fatfrank

[Bushi]

Fair.

now let's all let these guys work through it.

Nuff Said !

Bushi

"Yours in Bushido"

[sillybilly]

oooooh how about this approach instead, it is none of anybody elses business but theres.

[fastfrank]

i was just agreeing with Russ just to stir the pot abit
Sorry Riddler

[no contest]

there is too much crap getting spoke on this forum
IM BACKING RIDDLER 100%!!!
GO THE BULLS!!!

[fastfrank]

IM BACKING BILL 100%
GO MUNGKORN!!!!!!!!!!!:)<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>

[MT]

Good on you Russ....takes alot to admit you are wrong and apologise! nice to see.

[harls]

Agreed. Russ your obviously very passionate about the sport and we all make mistakes. Nobody's perfect. Good on ya mate!

"Adapt, Improvise, Overcome"

[shaunw]

and thanks god, thats all he has to say.


Max Power, he's the man who's name you'd love to touch. But you mustn't touch! His name sounds good in your ear, but when you say it you mustn't fear! Cause his name can be said by anyone

[Seth_2]

as far as eugene goes i think he is a great guy, very humble and a good fighter.. he was always great to have around the gym whether he was training up 4 a fight or just helpin get other fighters ready.. he will most definately be missed by all at the gym..

i have no comment as far as him changing gyms.. its not my right to comment. i was just intrigued when i heard the news as why he would do that after 7 years.. whats done is done and i think every1 should look forward to the future..

regards,
Mitch Seth

"One World One Muaythai"

[Alan Wong]

Mitch, Your Dad must be very proud of you mate. Very well put and all the best. Now I must say something.....

As a trainer who is very passionate about the sport and my fighters, I can understand why Bill is not happy. All you guys out there that say this things happens all the time....well I wonder what or how you will feel if the shoe is on your foot. Bill I know personally and have a lot of respect for. I know he can be a larrikin but he does mean well and always have his fighters put first. Bill and I talk a lot and I know he had put his heart and soul into Eugene. Its a kick in the guts when someone you have looked after all these years just walk out on you without a word. Before all these hit the fan, Bill rang me and told me that the fight between Eugene and Wazza is off because Eugene injured his knee in a Motorcross accident. It seems that he will need an operation to fix the knee. And a couple of days later, the famous POST by DAZ. I don't know the whole story but I think it is only right that Eugene meet with Bill and put things right.

I know how Bill feels, because not so long ago someone posted something similar on this board regarding Paul Slowinski. It was a shock to find out something from someone else instead of the person you cared so much for. Believe me guys, this job as a trainer is not that glamarous. The behind the scenes work you have to do to look after your fighters is something some of you uneducated lot should try before you make judgements.

Bill speak your mind, I am sure like minded people like you and I will understand. Stop giving Russ a hard time because he probably understand more about loyalty and respect than some of you who posted about this topic.

[Alan Wong]

Oh one more important point. WHY was it so easy for Eugene to leave, wasn't he contracted to Bill???? Of course not, Bill would not do that to someone he TRUSTED like some other trainers I know. In fact I don't have a contract with Paul. Why???? I also work on trust. Stupid of me you may say but Paul is like my son so why should I put him under a contract.....Bill over to you

[J.N.I]

Well said Allan and very true to the point but one thing if Paul is your son thank God he took after the mum, LOL LOL

John Ioannou

[mick]

come on Alan, Paul under contract.
first he has to know what a contract is. (KIDDING)
(EVERYONE KNOWS THAT I HOLD PAUL IN VERY HIGH REGARDS)
I agree with you alan i do not have a fighter with as high a profile of you guys but i also put alot of time and money into them. Sometimes the fighters arn't evan awhere of the cost.

I beleave that if one of the fighters want to leave and train else where and so be it but i would like to have be man enough to tell me first.

[Fever]

Russ you are a f.u.c.k wit! Who are you to call Eugene a low dog when all you are is a keyboard hero... You should come to Joe's show on the 11th and say it to Riddler and Eugene's face... ****er!

[DazMon]

Hi Fever, who are you?

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[Voice]

quote: WHAT A F*CKN DOG. Im sorry guys but that is fvcked. you dont work with someone and get them to the top, only to have them walk out on you.
Let it be known to any promoters that have this knob on thier shows, you wont be getting my money. Nothing against the promoters, but i wont be paying you money so you can pay this knobhead. I hope this backfires on you little euge. Ever heard of LOYALTY.
I know, some of you are going to say 'two sides to every story', well i've heard the story of how he went about letting bill know and thats enough for me

steady russ, you are being emotional without all the facts. Taking nothing away from Big Seth, there is always another side, and sitting here in NY this week, even I have heard more to warrant keeping quiet rather than crucifying everyone involved.

Don't stick pins into the Eugene and Riddler dolls until all the facts are known as I'm sure there is more than meets the eye.

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'If it bleeds, we can kill it...'(yet another priceless Arnie quote)

[Alan Wong]

Hey Fever

Keyboard Hero huh...look at your own profile. What is your real name??? and where are you from??? You are not even game enough to put down what State or Country you're from. At least Russ did


Edited by - Alan Wong on 02 Feb 2006 08:23:01

Edited by - Alan Wong on 02 Feb 2006 08:25:04

[Daz]

More like the "infamous post" by Daz, Alan.<img src=icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle>


DC.

[Alan Wong]

Mick and JNI you guys are very funny. Daz, whatever it was, it must have been hard for you to put that up!!!!



Edited by - Alan Wong on 02 Feb 2006 13:49:16

[Daz]

Stupid of me Alan.

DC.

[Mungkorn]

Ok its time to put this to rest, as hard as it is for me even to write this message.As you know it took me nearly a week to return to the forum after seeing the original message, alot has been said on and off the board and it has made me feel sick, I never wanted it to be a public issue but it was, alot of people have gone in to bat for me and support me plus send me emails with concern, I thank you. Last night Eugene and I had a heart to heart, and thats all I wanted, what has been said will always remain between us as we still share a special bond, he has my blessing to go and train with Darren Reece and I wish him all the best, I ask everybody to support Eugene, it has been the hardest thing he has ever had to deal with as well, everyone makes mistakes. When he first started training he couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag and now he is the WMC Super middleweight World Champion, and that is because of me, no one can take that away from us..................

"One World One MuayThai"

[Bushi]

Cheers Bill.

All resolved, now Mitch can be your next WMC champ...no pressure..<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Bushi

"Yours in Bushido"

[Mungkorn]

Russ, spoken like a champion, you wear your heart on your sleeve and are passionate about the sport, the forum is a place for people to put there thoughts, so now we can all laugh about it.

hehehehe,

one good thing I lost 4kg in a week without training......:):)

"One World One MuayThai"

[Bushi]

Mate,

You've just revolutionised the weight loss industry..<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

You talk about being passionate, no doubt at many times in everyone's life we all expereince something that will "distress" oneself, I know I've had a similar "weight loss" experience in the last 12 months...

SO this just shows how passionate and committed you were for it to have had that effect on you.

That my fellow forum members is a sign of someone who eats' sleeps, breatehes the sport and his students.

Bill, strength to you....

Bushi

"Yours in Bushido"

[Mungkorn]

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"One World One MuayThai"

[Riddler]

Well what a time to be getting your computer fixed the last two days..all ive been hearing are the comments of people and been able to do nothing about responding..just as well probably because i would have said some things i would have later regretted in the heat of the moment just as it appears many other people did..
people have the right to say what they want i guess with a forum but that doesnt mean they are experts or that their opinions are fact.People should have more facts though before they make their comments..especially as heated and as personal some of the comments and insults were..some of the things that were said here can damage a persons credibilty in this sport..and this sport is my life and my living.. i am lucky that most people know me better than that..
Ive dedicated my life the last 15 years to Muaythai and in retirement from competing i carry with me the same desire and dedication i had as a fighter to now be a great trainer.. My fighters are now the focus of my life. Knowing this, i feel greatly for what Bill is going through right now..and with this in mind why the hell would i ever try to poach another fighter?
Eugene is not the first fighter to come to me from another gym but he is certainly the highest profile and for that reason we are here..
It is always a difficult situation and i look at things differently now as a trainer. I will always do the right thing in regards to getting the ok from the previous trainer and i will always talk to that trainer just as i have done with Bill. It is also important that the fighter talks to the old trainer as well. Eugene has done this..He is a great guy and this was a very hard thing for him to do..its not like he has had practice with this and he found it difficult to put into words..as a result it was done in a round about way initially but has now been done properly and directly..
Fighters changing trainers and gyms is something that is going to happen in this sport for one reason or another.. it doesnt make the fighter a low down dog and certainly not the new trainer..it is something that happens but.. Some of Australias best Muaythai fighters and even boxers have changed trainers.. Paul Briggs, Danny Green, Daniel Dawson, Nathan Corbett, Shannon Forrester, Kurt Finlayson, Andrew Keogh,Jamie Flemming,Brett Dalton,myself... are any of them considered dogs for changing trainers? No. theyre not but it is something that they had to do.. for one reason or another..
Bill and Eugene are now at peace with things between..
Bill and i are at peace with things..
Thanks to the people who supported me and Eugene and know us better than trash talk.. and to the trash talkers..get the facts..

DR?

[Mchenry]

I think in general a lot of fighters change gyms to do something different in a another enviroment.Its hard for any trainer to keep coming up with new training equipment and drills on the pads to the same person for any great length of time .4 to 5 years is approximately a time a fighter needs a change . Briggs and Green 15 years training more than 3 different trainers each. For Bill to have trained Eugene for 7 years he has done exceptional.A lot of people on this site will disagree with me who have been in the sport for 1 to 2 years ,training 3 hours a week .But i think the fighters who train 10 to 16 hours a week for more than 5 years maybe nodding there heads.If a club has more than 1 pad holder like some of the big Queensland gyms .Then it some variation for the fighter.

[RAKY]

Well said Mick,if you are moving on to another gym its gotta be better than where you are now eg sparring,trainer, fight contacts.

D RAK