Will Sefo ever win K-1 WGP

[Mojoman]

Another disappointment for Ray, bundled out by a bigger, stronger Semmy who eventually went on to win the big one.
IMO time is running out for Ray who is @ the peak of his powers. He's in his early 30's and he isn't going to peak forever. I heard someone post that he was sick? Some kind of fever?
Also, will the Sefo vs Graham match ever happen?

[Voice]

no, basically.
And IMO he is well past the peak of his powers. He was at his peak around 1998-2001 when the competition was (unfortunately) exceptionally strong. Now he cannot beat the relatively 2nd rate guys of today.

Pity as Ray was one of the most exciting fighters ever to grace K1 but he just couldn't keep the head straight to be a champion (unlike the super cool Hoost and Aerts). Too many fights I feel became an ego match (like vs Hunt) and as such he suffered too much punishment to endure the 3 matches.

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[Mungkorn]

Been around too long now everbody knows how he fights, and his height is a disadvantage to him IMO.

One World One MuayThai

[Downcut]

No way.
As for him and Graham....Well I don't know how interested Sefo would be for this one. Would Sefo look at it like "I'm in K-1, where are you?" Money would be another factor too. It still would be a good win if Pete could pull it off.

The way I see it is, if he's willing to talk the trash then they should be lining up the fight.

How come Sefo is in the K-1 anyway? Shouldn't he competing in Oceania to be in Japan in the first place?

[Voice]

quote:How come Sefo is in the K-1 anyway? Shouldn't he competing in Oceania to be in Japan in the first place?

Spot on Downcut, how come???

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[Big D]

Graham VS Sefo would be good,

but i agree Sefo is past his prime and if Mr Incredible was on his game he'd have it easy......

Big D in training, will be back in da house one day......

[Matt J]

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quote:How come Sefo is in the K-1 anyway? Shouldn't he competing in Oceania to be in Japan in the first place?

Spot on Downcut, how come???

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because he's contracted with k1.

[Mojoman]

Didn't Sefo win a qualifying tournament?

Along with Lebanner, his window of opportunity is probably passed.
I'm not so sure Graham would be able to stay with him if they fought in the near future. It's a bit like JWP vs Preacher in that Sefo has all the experience against quality opponents whereas the Chief went a round or so with Bonjansky.

Unfortunately I doubt the fight will eventuate if you listen to what Sefo is saying.

[Voice]

i don't really care if it doesn't occur. The purse that Sefo would demand would not be worth it, given his rather average performances. I'd rather see Chief fight Sting under K1 rules with a strong undercard...better value for promoter's money.

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[Downcut]

I knew we could rely on MattJ for the answer!
M
ojoman I once thought the same way but you can't judge a fighter like that, I mean look what happened to Remy this year, and Sefo. Anything can and will happen in K-1 and Graham has faced some of the worlds best..seriously he has a pretty strong list of past opponents but needs to keep up the rate and quality of them.

[Adambjjoz]

I think everyone may be a little quick to judge Ray poorly here. He makes the K-1 World GP Final 8 tourney each year because he wins at the Round of 16 qualifier and does so with style. He also win's he's superfights during the early stages of each year and not against chumps, either. I mean for crap's sake, Sefo KO'd Karaev in about 16 seconds of the first round, earlier this year in Japan, yet people are all but calling him a washed-out chump.

Can any of you guys even remember the last time Ray was knocked out ???

[Downcut]

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i don't really care if it doesn't occur. The purse that Sefo would demand would not be worth it, given his rather average performances. I'd rather see Chief fight Sting under K1 rules with a strong undercard...better value for promoter's money.

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Yes Sefo would more than likely ask something unrealistic (well maybe not in K-1 terms) I agree from the spectators point of view re: Slowinski & Graham, but again? I think it's flogging a dead horse a bit. It's make or break time for Pete career wise..and that means overseas.

[J A]

Thats kinda true...
Sefo is in K1 because he is a finalist and the previous years finalists (being the Grand Prix) get seeded straight to the Next years elimination tournament to fight 7 or 8 regional tournment winners.
So yes Ray is contracted to K1 but he is still there cos he won the right to be there.
Same way Remy as defending Champion is seeded straight through to the Grand Prix (well I guess its Semmy Now..)

[Voice]

thanks for clarifying JA...
No-one calling Ray a chump Adam, just maybe not the potential champ he used to be. He has underperformed but is still obviously top 16 material.
Yes, Chief needs to get involved more...a lot more.

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[Mojoman]

Anyone know why the Chief is so inactive? Lack of opponents?

[Matt J]

"It's a bit like JWP vs Preacher in that Sefo has all the experience against quality opponents whereas the Chief went a round or so with Bonjansky."

you cannot judge fighters like that. using that same critereia why cant i say graham would win over sefo merely because he has a win over sam greco whereas ray lost to sam? thats silly logic, the fight game doesnt work like that. styles make fights.

and for the record bonjasky stopped ray as well.

if ray vs graham happened, i would go with graham to win on points. you heard it here first.

[Voice]

quote:Anyone know why the Chief is so inactive? Lack of opponents?

read the thread on world's best excuses! hehe...<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Nah, just having a bit of fun before going home...look forward to see the Chief on the upcoming K1 qualifiers...

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[Mojoman]

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"It's a bit like JWP vs Preacher in that Sefo has all the experience against quality opponents whereas the Chief went a round or so with Bonjansky."

you cannot judge fighters like that. using that same critereia why cant i say graham would win over sefo merely because he has a win over sam greco whereas ray lost to sam? thats silly logic, the fight game doesnt work like that. styles make fights.

and for the record bonjasky stopped ray as well.

if ray vs graham happened, i would go with graham to win on points. you heard it here first.




I wasn't judging the Chief. Just merely comparing Sefo's experience against top flight international fighters with the Chief's lack of. Using JWP vs Preacher as an analogy.

Disagree with you there Matt, I reckon Sefo would knock the Chief out in 2.

[Downcut]

Gotta say I agree with Matt. Graham on points, he's hungrier, has a higher work rate - and he does have the experience with top fighters, he just has not been as active as Sefo.