NO BULL 28 observations

[Voice]

ok, rather than attempt to cover the whole card, I will just mention some things that stuck in my mind...I will try to be frank.

Tim Drury vs Paul Shearing...WKA Sth Pacific Title...KO Drury rd2.

For 2mins I was thinking to myself that Shearing actually may have turned a new leaf and was going to make a fight of this. He started with some very nice push kicks and sweeps that surprised and caught Tim a little. As the round progressed Tim began to chop Shearing's front leg then move quickly to the inside.
Rd 1 to Shearing...

Rd 2, after about 30secs Tim caught Shearing with a few nice rib ticklers and then when the hands dropped he threw what could only be seen as a wild hook or haymaker that hardly seemed to connect, Shearing dropped to the canvas and from whence never rose. Drury was hardly out of 1st gear and while was ecstatic about winning, seemed very disappointed with all the hard training in preparation for this fight being unnecessary. Now before anyone says anything about respecting those getting into the ring, there is a point where one should be expected to take some punishment in fighting for a regional title. No sooner had the count been measured then Shearing was up and about.
IMO, this should be the last time he is invited to NSW...he wasn't here to fight and didn't honour the training that Drury put in for this. Put Yoshi in against Tim and we will have a war.

Whilst on this point, another fight with Von Badato vs Glen 'Eveready' Crossman. The first round was hammer and tong, looking even in my eyes. Badato, as he often does, seemed to just about exhaust himself by the 2 min mark having swung more than DeMagio and just as Glen started to score, the damn towel gets thrown in by his brother. Another South Pacific title and not even a bloodied nose before the fight ends. I was really looking forward to this as Crossman is a handy fighter and he was starting to assert his skills in the second round.

Finishing on a high however was another Sth Pacific title but fought by warriors with nothing to lose. Koji Kubota vs Jason 'Mr Smiley' Edwards was a 5 round war. Smiley had about 98% of the crowd behind him and showed guts and endurance while Koji took plenty of leather but still drove forward. Smiley winning by a good margin as his latter rounds dominated.
A good tough fight that gave the crowd something to cheer about...maybe Drury should have fought Crossman instead and the other two stayed in the dressing rooms.

Great announcing by James White who spent much of the night soaking his jacket in soda to remove blood stains, while Paul Grima was his usual busy self. Great crowd involvement, good atmosphere and apart from those 2 low spots, it was another very engaging Pitbull night. And yes, Andrew 'Fairy Floss' Webb scored himself a very nice KO...guess no more 'fairy' to the name after that!

Oh and was nice chatting to Mrs Grima senior...charming lady.

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[pitbull]

Hey Voice were are all in the gym on the piss, too smash at the moment to post the results like I normally do, maybe in a few hours I will post them and the photos from slyman as he is here as well buring me the cd as I type. Just depends on how much wild turkey I consume.

[Floss]

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And yes, Andrew 'Fairy Floss' Webb scored himself a very nice KO...guess no more 'fairy' to the name after that!



hows that for fairy floss, i couldnt believe it :)
Thnaks Jake, your a top bloke!!

thanks Paul for lettting me fight:0

[pitbull]

Is about 7.00am in the morning and I am a bit pissed. Only a few of the boys are left here still drinking at the after party at my gym but some should be back from breakfast in about two hours.Here are the results.

ROB ROSS from PENRITH FULL FORCE defeated STEVEN FALZON from RAZORBACKS by unanimous decision.

ANDREW ‘FAIRY FLOSS’ WEBB from PITBULL KICKBOXING & MUAY THAI defeated JAKE MARKS from STREET ALERT MUAY THAI by TKO round 2 knee to the head.

DANIEL BROOKS from PITBULL KICKBOXING & MUAY THAI deteated VIKTOR SAROSI from BOXING WORKS by KO 2nd round punch.

REECE LEWIS from STREET ALERT MUAY THAI defeated EMMANUEL LARIS from JOHNNO’S BOXING & KICKBOXING by unanimous decision.

MEC WILLCOCKS from MAGIC GLOVES defeated RICK ‘LIVE WIRE’ STANLEY from PITBULL KICKBOXING & MUAY THAI by unanimous decision.

EIDREES POPAL from PITBULL KICKBOXING & MUAY THAI defeated IAN Mc DOUGALL from BULLDOG GYM NORTH NARRABEEN by unanimous decision.

HANSEN PAULE from DANDY FIGHT CENTRE (VIC) defeated EDDIE ‘THE MUTANT’ BUTTON from BOXING WORKS by unanimous decision.

TOBY RYAN from BOXING WORKS/ PITBULL KICKBOXING & MUAY THAI fought a draw with JEFF PHILLIPS from ULTRAFIT for the WKA NSW KICKBOXING TITLE.

DES RUSSELL from PENRITH FULL FORCE defeated TREVIN “MIDNIGHT” BOUDEWYN from DANDY FIGHT CENTRE (VIC) by unanimous decision to win the WKA EASTCOAST WELTERWEIGHT KICKBOXING TITLE.

TIM DRURY from 108 SUPALEK defeated PAUL SHEARING from EXCALIBUR MUAY THAI by what was a premature stoppage in the 2nd TKO to capture the vacant WKA SOUTH PACIFIC PROFESSIONAL WELTERWEIGHT KICKBOXING TITLE.

GLEN “EVEREADY” CROSSMAN from STREET SMART MUAY THAI defeated VON BADATO from BADATO’S FULL FORCE when his corner threw in the towel in the 3rd round to capture the WKA SOUTH PACIFIC SUPER LIGHTWEIGHT KICKBOXING TITLE.

And finally JASON ‘MR. SMILEY’ EDWARDS from PITBULL KICKBOXING & MUAY THAI defeated KOJI KUBOTA from BOXING WORKS by unanimous decision to win the WKA SOUTH PACIFIC SUPER WELTERWEIGHT KICKBOXING TITLE.

Thank you to all the Fighters, Trainers, Sponors and the fans for making this another successful NO BULL FITE NITE.


Also big thanks to voice for the the early morning report


Edited by - pitbull on 13 Nov 2005 07:08:54

Edited by - pitbull on 15 Nov 2005 11:07:37

[promoboss]

Pitbull,
Congratulations on a very successfull night, and congratulations to all the boys who won.
This was the first time I have attended a no bull night with my whole family and my daughter who's 7 loved it,now wants to go next week again.god help me.
Voice trying get things done for you<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
once again thanks paul for a top night will be there next year for the SUNDAY SERVICE.
Full respects also for the moments silence for sorins family.

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Edited by - promoboss on 13 Nov 2005 07:16:20

[tdrury]

Paul you put on another great show mate, and well done to all the fighters.

Yes as VOICE has said, of course I am dis-appointed, I had trained very hard for a 10round fight, and we both did not have the opportunity to pick it up and put a great entertaining fight for the audience and ourselves, of course initially I was happy, however after more thought, frustrated with the fight. I did speak to Paul Shearing about this, and did thank him also for taking the fight, due to a few other fighters that Pitbull did try to arrange failing.

Thanks Paul for putting me on your show and thankyou for all the supporters that talked to me last night, sorry that I could not put on a better show for you.

Thanks to Paul Shearing regardless, for jumping in the ring to have
a go.

Hey it was also good to see Toby Ryan back on the seen as it has been 6years or so since he was last in the ring, so well done Toby and it was good to catch up with you after all these years.

I have had some good offers and things are going to look positive for a great 2006 and looking forward to some good fights.

[shaunw]

well done tim. gotta get some fights up here in qld again!!!

Max Power, he's the man who's name you'd love to touch. But you mustn't touch! His name sounds good in your ear, but when you say it you mustn't fear! Cause his name can be said by anyone

[sam]

I told ya paul shearing is no good, he did better than i thought, i thought he would take a fall in the 1st but he made it 2 the second,

[Jake]

good show but you gotta feel for Geoff Phillips. He smashed his oponent hurting him with everything he threw & was scored a draw. That was his last fight & he finally got a shot at a title & what a way to go out. Paul you gotta review the tape & over rule cause that was bad, bad judging. I'd expect that from a Lusy Tui promo but not yours.

[Floss]

Congrats to all the people who fought

All the pitbull boys well done
Jason SOUTH PACIFIC CHAMP Edwards hhaahhaha good fight Jace you deserve it !!!!!!

[Voice]

jake...spot on. I thought Jeff had damaged his opponent and dominated that fight. The only dodgy judging decision on an otherwise well-judged card.

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[Rochelle]

So Jake and Voice... you must judging kickboxing all the time... Pity i never see you guys working on any shows here in NSW... Please tell me how long you guys have been judging and what shows and what qualifications you have??

[Voice]

lol !! Now, now, don't be like that, the judging was of a good standard I said.
Rochelle, I take it you were the blond judge sitting to the left of James White and I?
That fight wasn't too hard to score, as per the sound of the audience upon announcement of the decision.

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[Wolverine]

I was there to and i gotta say Jeff won easily. Rochelle if you couldn't see that you should not be a judge. The ref was going to stop it about three times. His opponent was rocked in the first three rounds, kicked to the ground about 5 times. I think Jeff only got hit about three times the entire fight. Not to mention the damage to the guys face. Is a shame he didnt gwet the hardware. He deserved it. hopefully he will fight again.

[Voice]

great trophies Pitbull...you and JNI give out fine hardware to the fighters; they will look great on the mantlepiece.

Funny at one stage I think the loser of a fight took the winner's trophy and James tried in vain to get them to re-exchange. Then he goes 'ah f*** it, they can sort it out'.

James is very funny as MC but a little delicate...see him running for cover every time a little blood flew.

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[Rochelle]

No Voice i was the one sitting with majority of the crowd sitting behind me, kind of in front of your row.

I'm still waiting to hear how long you guys have been judging for and what qualifications you've got..

You to Mick (Wolverine) share you judging experience..

[Turtle]

I have to agree with the boys Rochelle, i'am not a judge and i think all the judging on the night was very good except for the fight in question Jeff hurt his oponent badly in every round i honestly thought that the fight should have been stopped the amount of punishment the other fighter recieved i realy didnt see Jeffs oponent hit him with many clean shots at all. Just my opinion and it seems everyone else's that watched the fight.

Turtle.

[Voice]

that's right Rochelle...we were facing you, you were facing the rear of the hall with audience behind. You had a dark haired girl sitting on your right.

I'm not a judge but do you think what was said is untrue or unfair or because if you aren't a judge you should say nothing? If I remember correctly the result was a majority draw, 2-1 for the draw.

I don't want to labour this...the judging was very good and given it was 2-1 draw we are only talking one conflicting opinion all night making the difference. No big deal really.

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Edited by - voice on 14 Nov 2005 13:37:51

[Wolverine]

Dr Jack Kevorkian is a qualified doctor but that don't make him good!

[sniper]

oh my goodness voice, every time a guy gets on here and gives it to you you give it back ten fold. now rochelle gives you a hard time you buckle like the australian rugby team and netball team. what on eart is the world coming to???

[Lanks]

Paul, once again another great show mate you put a lot of hard work into your promotions and it shows. First time i have been awake to get back to the after party and the short time i was there it was great talking to some of the boys. Booga we will get up there soon for some of that sparing we talked about.
Floss Your a good bloke cant wait to watch the dvd and see where my boy Jake went wrong to let that Knee in. Height is definatly your advantage champ.

Paul enjoy your time off and catching up on some family time you have earnt it. See you nxt Time.

Also Mr and Mrs Grima you both do a great job aswell Paul is very Lucky.

[pitbull]

Good morning everyone I finally got to sleep at about 3.00pm Sunday afternoon for three hours but then had to wake up at 7.00pm to go to work till 10.00pm. So I am still feeling bloody knackered.

Before we start slanging each other off, can I say a few things? I have not watched the fight in question so I cannot pass judgement yet. I am about to re-view the scorecards sometime today, what I do after every WKA promotion. One thing I would like to add is, after the fight that you people are referring to was over, a few different people abused me about the decision. And not all saying the same thing some people thought one guy should have won others thought the other guy had won. These people weren’t accredited judges so I don’t really pay any attention to this kind of crap. The next thing I am going to say is no I am not going to reverse any decisions after I review the fight. That is just going to create more farking problems for me down the track. So lets not go there either please!

What really pisses me off is when the uneducated pass judgement on something they don’t know nothing about. Like I said earlier I have not yet watched the fight so I can’t pass any comment yet, but watching a fight and judging a fight is two totally different things. There have been times when I have been refereeing a fight thinking one guy had won it and the other guy gets the win. Then I go and watch the footage and actually judge the fight and realize I was wrong. There has been other times where I have been in the corner of one of my fighters thinking that the fight was very close and it could go either way then when I watch the tape I realize that it wasn’t that close at all. And there has been times where I was in the corner thinking my boy has won the fight and he looses then I watch and judge the fight on tape and realize the decision was correct.

Being an amateur Kickboxing Official in this state is a prick of a job. It is a thankless job and its not like you get paid a lot of money for doing it. You are constantly abused by, drunk spectators who wouldn’t know ****t from clay. Or trainers or families and friends of fighters who abuse you as well when there is a decision they are not happy with. I know for a fact that our amateur officials are far better than our professional ones in this state. And the pro officials get paid a lot of money to do one fight on my promotions than the amateur officials do and they do the whole promotion. Remember this costs me more money but unlike other tight arse promoters in this state I don’t mind spending more to get the job done better. That’s why I also employ two doctors on my promotions instead of one, again a lot more money but the show flow much faster.

All I can say is this, I know that the judges that I use are honest and do not deliberately give dodgey decisions when they officiate on WKA promotions, unlike other less creditable organizations in this state. If they did I wouldn’t use them. They call the fights how they see the fights in their eyes.

Heres another thing I am trying to organise another WKA amateur Judges and referee accreditation for the first weekend in December. It will cost you $100.00 but everyone that attends gets the two WKA Official rule books for Kickboxing and Thai Boxing (not one per gym one per person) they also get an official WKA Ring Official polo shirt and Ring Official and Log Book to keep a record of every time they either shadow judge, actually judge or referee on a WKA promotion. We also have a barbeque for lunch. The course goes all day and there are two multiple-choice tests at the end. Not bad value $100 and you get $120.00 worth of merchandise plus lunch and a Certificate to say you have attended. Then when you have completed the course and have shadow judged on WKA or ISKA promotions a few times and I am comfortable with your work you will be used as an official. Then you will see why some official get upset with people when they are constantly abused by fighters, trainers, fans and families and have their integrity questioned, (sometime by people who wouldn’t know ****t from clay). And we will have a bigger, pool of officials to choose from.

[promoboss]

Paul,please put me down for your ref's course in december as I would like to be able to do some refereeing in the future for the WKA even though my own shows are WMC I want to help promote the sport of KB & MT in nsw without all of the politics that are holding us back.
P.s. my 7 yr old daughter is now a big fan of Eidress"the prince" Popal.

[Voice]

Huh???
This has gotten out of hand. Please everyone re-read what has been written.
No one is asking for a decision to be overturned, no-one is abusing judges, no one is calling anyone dishonest and most people here have said the judging was good (well i thought it was).

One slight observation about 1 particular fight, that's all, nothing else...no big deal.

Drunken morons yelling stupid things is one thing, educated fight fans with opinions is another. James White and I looked at each other and raised an eyebrow each after the decision and that was that...no further correspondence needed.

Ah Snip, nice to see you contributing again. perhaps you might oblige us with a victory for a change so we can write nice things about you...<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Edited by - voice on 14 Nov 2005 13:39:31

[excalibur]

Paul, thanks for bringing me up and tim thanks for the fight, i had the flu 2 weeks before the fight, im a full time dad and work so i dont have much time to rest and recover, when i got back from the first round i had nothing left in the tank. I should have pulled out a week before the fight but i didnt want to let pittbull down.

Once again thank Paul

[Action Jackson]

I like it in a fighter who steps up to the plate
I carnt see it in myself at the moment,
So maybe paul needs more credit for his efort,
on the other hand if u carnt commit fulltime in todays sport
anyone will have dificauty in getting a good result.

Cheers
Action Jackson

[dekker]

Paul, what happened to the diet mate!!!!!!!! you coming down soon to see Dave i presume! will try to cach up if you do, sounds like another good promotion mate on ya, K O S

[pitbull]

First of all hey voice please don't think my comments are directed at you because the are not. I have the upmost respect for you and your comments. But there was one comment about reversing the decision that's why I commented. When I talk about abusing judges I am not talking about it happening on here. I am talking about on the night it happens, mate it happened to me on the night and I didn't even judge the fight, but as the promoter and the WKA Representaive, (which only the people involved in the sport know anyway), I still got abused.

Two Sam who the fark are you to say what you say about Paul Shearing, the man is true to his word, and yes he was sick before this fight, I didn't find out till later as he didn't want to cause me more stress leading up to this fight. Have you ever fought in the ring? How can you pass judgement if you have never been there. He actually won the first round on two of the judges score cards.

promoboss thank you for your kind words, sorry I did come up and say hi and introduce myself. I think you were the big bald guy I walked past with his little girl somewhere over the night but I didn't know that it was you if it was. Only found out later. Also glad you liked the show.

And Danny your still a cheeky bugger mate! What happened not phone call regarding the King of Siam's birthday.

[Voice]

no worries Pitbull...
hey to the guys there, did anyone see James White goes off about some bloke in the audience giving it in large to one of the fighters?

I thought he was just being funny and taking the p*ss, but it looked from my angle he was really getting stuck into this guy...'that sort of talk is not necessary, yes you mate, you over there, keep it up and you can leave'...haha

If so, fair 'nuf...

I know I should have probably toned it down a bit about Shearing's performance, but I know how hard Tim trained and I also heard Tim apologising after the fight for not putting on a good display (which is of course ridiculous, as i told him). It is just that this was for a Sth Pacific Title which means the combatants have got to take it very seriously otherwise the title means nada.

Tim prepared for this fight, Paul seemed not up for it, flu notwithstanding. He won the first round IMO, and hey, you never know he could have caught Tim if he continued...but from my angle, as Tim started leg checking all Paul's thigh kicks and started banging in some of his own, Paul gave up.
It takes guts to climb in there, but to see a SPT fight end like this does not respect the tough young guys on the earlier amateur fights who got in there, battled bravely to the end even suffering broken noses and other injuries that they will carry for the next couple weeks.
Hats off to those guys, true warriors...these are the people who deserve the shots.

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Edited by - voice on 14 Nov 2005 15:38:36

[Wolverine]

no one in their right mind could say that Jeff lost or even drew for that matter.

[Lanks]

Broken noses. Voice your probably refering to my boy who fought "floss". Not broken just a bruised ego. he will be back nxt time.

[Lanks]

Paul did put up a challenge to fight tim under Thai rules. Tim didnt say no. Would be of intrest to see if that ever happens. Paul is more suited to the thai rules. But like tim said he would have check what he has lined up in the future.

[Voice]

lanks, glad to hear your boy not badly hurt...was really referring to Toby Ryan...had some serious blood work happening on the face but he fought on bravely and got the draw.

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[promoboss]

Paul, Yes mate that was me the big bald guy with Jnr fight fan in tow.
Voice, The guy James was givingn to was just behind us and boy oh boy he couldn't sink down into his chair fast enough when everyone started to eyeball him I do believe he left and moved somewhere else a bit later on in the night though. Besides that a great finally to 2005 for pitbull fight shows and I will definately be back for the Sunday Service in 2006
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[markop]

Just back to that decision of Geoff and Toby, before you start on like a seasoned politician about reffing credentials and rubbish of how the playback will show it so different.. i'll say say straight out, no I'm not a ref nor do i want to pay someone a 100 dollars for a little course and pretend to be. What i am is someone who trains regularly has fought a couple times and loves kickboxing.
A number of friends and i paid our money and were ringside, We all saw the fight everyone knows Geoff won the fight, from the judges to the joe nobodies in the audience, there were some guys yelling for Toby that we heard at the end of the fight saying that the decision was wrong.
I havent been to a tui show since some similar decisions its a shame its come to pitbull.
The whole spirit of kickboxing is to give a big "up yours" to anybody trying to put it over us, to show some guts and step in the ring as Toby and Geoff did. It Sh=ts me that money or politics rears it greedy head even here. It rubs off on everybody from the fighters to the sponsors untill everyone associated stinks.
I dont know how Geoff didn't grab the mike and yell what he thought of the decision, he's obviously made of better stuff and i'm sure he knows he won.
Of course you guys will defend the decision with reams of garble, but i know a couple of blokes that won't be going to another pitbull show to hear it..

[Booga]

hey lanks, yep by all means, hope to see you down here soon with your boys!!! let us no when

[Booga]

by the way well done to all the pitbull boys, u are all champions. i also talked to Henry Pinto on the night he wwas very sorry he had to pull out, but we are both looking forward to pauls next show, wherre we will both punish each other for the NSW Muay Thai Title. CAN'T WAIT

[pitbull]

Michael Logan aka Wolverine, I didn't say anything about who won or lost, as I haven't seen the fight and I am just over people complaining about what they are not accredited to do. I use to train Jeff for a short period of time and his trainer Murray for a long time. I also was doing a little pad work with Toby Ryan so I know and respect both fighters. At least you put your name to your profile.

To markop if you have seen me you will realize I am not a seasoned politician nor have I acted like one. The only thing I have defended is the integrity of my officials not the decision. I didn’t say that watching the fight on tape will be so it different either. I used examples of what has happen to me in the past. As I stated I didn’t see the fight so how can I comment? Who the fark are you and why don't you have your name in your profile. Is it so you can post whatever you like without having to worry about people know whom you are? You say you have had a couple of fights and love kickboxing. Comments like your’s prove me to think otherwise. I have been involved with Kickboxing Muay Thai and Martial Arts for thirty-one years now as a former amateur and professional champion, Trainer, Referee, Judge, Timekeeper, promoter and sanctioning body representative. So I don't think there is any part of the sport I have not been involved with. I love the sport more than life itself it has helped me with my life so much in many different ways. If you love the sport so much why don't you do something about it? Why don't you help it evolve by helping grow? Everyone on here jumps up and down and complains about this or that but how many of you guys actually do something about it. Like I have not watched the fight yet, so I can't comment on the decision. But I know the Judges I use are honest and call the fights the way they see them. Actually the two judges that called it a draw were both fighters the third judge that called it the other way was not. I will review the fight a little later in the week after I have had a bit of sleep and finished doing all the other things such as a medical update, result sheet, fighter card update all these things will take hours of my already limited time and I don't get paid for them but it does help the sport grow in a safe better and forward direction rather than just sitting behind my computer screen slang off at people under a alias. Also I didn't say that you have to spend a $100 to become an official. I stated that after you have done the course then shadow judge a number of times and I see that your decisions are good then you will be used.

Were you state "It Sh*ts me that money or politics rears it greedy head even here. It rubs off on everybody from the fighters to the sponsors untill everyone associated stinks." What are trying to say? Are you questioning my integrity, I hope not? If you are why don't you tell me your name. Or you can come and see me about these matters face to face. I am sure we could work something out don't you. The only thing I am saying is I know that the officials the WKA use in this state have no hidden agenda with their decisions. People on here also forget officials are human and sometimes humans make honest mistakes.

Where you state “you know a couple of blokes that won’t be coming to another Pitbull to hear it.’ Well it’s probably a good thing you won’t be coming to another one of my show because I don’t want people like you there but if you change your mind please come up and introduce yourself by all means.

[Floss]

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Booga we will get up there soon for some of that sparing we talked about.
Floss Your a good bloke cant wait to watch the dvd and see where my boy Jake went wrong to let that Knee in. Height is definatly your advantage champ.




height is DEFINATLY my advantage over Jake
and yeah love to see him up here for the sparring :)


Paul well said mate
LET the judges do their job, they give up their saturday night to come and do these fights, and if you keep slaging them you think they are going to come back, no, then who is going to do it ??????
Joe from down the road
i dont think so





anyway why are a couple of people wrecking a good night of fights

[Not Telling]

Any Photo's?

[Wolverine]

Spot on Pitbull - judges are human, they make mistakes like the rest of us. Lets just admit that they did on this occasion and move on. No one should be attacking Pitbull as he was not the judge. But keep givin it to Rochelle :)

[pitbull]

Wolverine aka Michael Logan now you are really starting to piss me off like your mate markop. Before we go any further I still haven't watched the footage so I can't comment yet I will get round to it after I have finished the paper work from the promotion. You are personally attacking one of my judges and questioning her integrity!! Mate that's not on! If you have a problem come to my gym the address is 28a Hampden Road South Wentworthville (round the back) or I can come to you either way stop hassling a lady from the safety of behind your computer screen, instead be a man and do it face to face. One other question what have you done in the sport that make you so special and gives you the right to pass judgement on someone’s creditability and more importantly their integrity on a public message board when you don't even know them. Please stop the personal attacks on here!

[markop]

yes paul i have seen you many times, and i got to admit politician isn't what comes to mind.. and yes you have done a lot for the sport. but please save the veiled threats, were not mugs.
I'm not attacking any one personally. I have been involved in a very dicey decision a lot closer to home than just watching before. Your right i don't want to use a real name because i would hate to think the decision in my next fight was because of some personal reason or bias. Any one who thinks it does not happen is very, very naive.
Yes i realise people make mistakes but what i'm saying is thier should be some kind of review for the really questionable decisions, when even the other fighter is conceding defeat maybe the judging process has drifted a little from reality. Its your show, realise it makes you look bad and take some measures to stop it. i mentioned a promoter who didn't and it gives the sport a bad name.
when a decision is so far from the mark, it sours the reality of the night. if we wanted rehearsed outcomes we could go and watch WWF.
Its funny but in your fight results post, you have all the results except jeff phillips FOUGHT toby ryan. what result?? couldn't you accept the decision either? and your saying you haven't looked at the fight yet you can't comment, as if you haven't had had a look by now wondering what the hell everyone is on about!
I think it was voice said this is jeffs last fight i hope thats not because of the decision he got. its very disheartening for a fighter either training for or thinking of fighting wondering if its all for nothing because of a bad decision.

[pitbull]

markop I have just noticed that what you said about the results, when I posted them it was after 7.00am Sunday morning after getting on the drink with the boys. That was an honest mistake and I have fixed the result before I posted this message.

You say please save the veiled threats we are not mugs, well I personal think you are acting like mugs at the moment. You have not answer any of the questions I asked you. And you have questioned not only my integrity, but also the integrity of my Officials. What right do you have to judge or comment on people you don’t really know. Some you have not even met. They are not threats markop if you have a problem with my official or me, be a man about it, don’t hide behind your computer screen. Another funny thing I have noticed you have only posted twice on here all about my show, nothing before last Saturday night why is that?

You say I have done a lot for the sport, maybe I have. I don’t really know about that. I do what I do for the sport because I love it. What have you done for the sport except ***** about a decision and question people’s integrity under an alias name? There is no hidden agenda with my officials they call them how they see them, if they didn’t I wouldn’t use them. So don’t use the excuse of not wanting to post my name because of it might go against me when I fight crap. Have you ever fought on a WKA show?

I am constantly trying to run ring official courses for new ring officials and to keep the few we have on track. Everyone is the first to bag our judge’s decision but nobody wants to put their hands up to do the job, probably because they themselves couldn’t handle the **** they cop from uneducated, fighters, trainers, families of fighters or just plain drunk fans. Just because you’re a fighter doesn’t mean you know how to judge a fight. It goes for being a trainer as well. I have had many fighters and trainers say to me after doing a Ring Officials course that it has helped them clear up a few misconceptions they had about what wins a fight. Again I will state I still haven’t had time to review the fight we are talking about so don’t think I am referring to this situation.

Finally markop yes you are attacking someone personally here, statements like
‘I havent been to a tui show since some similar decisions its a shame its come to pitbull. The whole spirit of kickboxing is to give a big "up yours" to anybody trying to put it over us, to show some guts and step in the ring as Toby and Geoff did. It Sh=ts me that money or politics rears it greedy head even here. It rubs off on everybody from the fighters to the sponsors untill everyone associated stinks. And “Of course you guys will defend the decision with reams of garble, but i know a couple of blokes that won't be going to another pitbull show to hear it.’

That statement alone suggests to me that you think there is a hidden agenda, or that my officials and I are corrupt. And one more thing never compare what I do to a WKBF promotion please, and you wonder why I fire up about these comments. What would you do if it were done to you!




Edited by - pitbull on 15 Nov 2005 12:30:57

[Booga]

to the people giving sh!t to Rochelle and the other judges, if you think you are so good at judging (which you obviously think you are) why not put your name down for pauls next judging course, become a judge and show us how its all done, and let us sit down and pick you apart.the judges are only human like the rest of us, and humans make mistakes some time (i'm not saying they did this time) but the 3 judges from the weekend have judged both mine and mates fights, and i have always been happy with them (even when i lost). I say keep up the good work!!!

[harls]

Sorry to change the subject, but I love your username! Booga in revenge of the nerds rocks!

I agree Judges are only human and everyone sees any one fight differently..

"Adapt, Improvise, Overcome"

[dixie]

im laughing my @rse off reading some of this crud...i was there in about the middle of the room and im surprised there wasnt a riot after that draw was announced. i booed and was surprised how reserved many people were, except for the talk of 'bullsh1t, bullsh1t' in the crowd.
i dont care if you are a fighter, judge, promotor or fan, if people cant accept that one fight was scored wrong then they are fools. i also like all these comments 'i havent see the dvd so cant comment'...well people, you are commenting plenty. maybe jam a sock in it until you see how bad the result is. saying the judges are being insulted or accused of cheating is stupid, they just got this one wrong and arent ballsy enough to admit it. the standard judges response 'are you qualified, have you fought'...does this mean you are somehow a genius and are never wrong. morons.
I just feel sorry for jeffs friends near me, they thought they had it in the bag till 2 twit judges must have been painting there nails instead of watching the fight and dont have guts enough to give us an account on how they saw it.

[Voice]

geez, can we just let this die...don't people have opinions on the fights that would be better discussed? I'm surprised there haven't been more comments on the final few fights.

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[pitbull]

dixie I have said I haven't seen the fight yet fool not just the dvd. Do you think I have time to sit there and watch every fight on the night. Like I said about twenty posts ago I use to train Jeff for a short time and his trainer Murray for a longer time. There is no hidden agenda here and my judges are not corrupt.

What amazes me more the amount of first time posting on this thread just about that one particular fight. No comments about the other fights or the quailty of judging on the rest of the night. All of them being unanimous decision. Checking the scorecards today all judges near score every fight identically except for that one fight. Could it be possible that all the people are Jeff's friend's just stirring ****.

You want me to jam a sock in it? The offer is still there for any of you people that hide behind you computer screens to come and discuss this matter with me. If I have time between everything else I have to do I will watch the fight tomorrow and pass my judgement but until and get a life instead of questioning people that you don't know integrity.

[dixie]

mr grima (wasnt that a character in lord of the rings?), with all due respect, now you are accusing me of being corrupt. saying i am jeffs friends and **** stirring means you are accusing me of having a hidden ajenda. i dont know anyone else on here and have never posted before but after seeing this i felt like i had too.

i would be a little careful about who you call out. you might not want to have some people knocking on your door to 'discuss' the matter. you are the one making the threats, im saying you want to think before you open your loud mouth, im not some skinny lightweight who you hold pads for.

and finally, i have come to the last 6 of your shows and paid my money. i deserve the right to have a say even if it is a little criticle. i dont deserve to get a gobfull from your fat mouth when you havent even watched it and are talking out of your @rse. watch yourself

[Booga]

[quote]
Sorry to change the subject, but I love your username! Booga in revenge of the nerds rocks!

I agree Judges are only human and everyone sees any one fight differently.

HAHA bye the way not just a user name, its my fight name, thanx Pitbull!!!

[Voice]

haha, with friends like Pitbull.....
At least Floss will be rid of the 'fairy' prefix. Are you sure Booga that Paul didn't catch you one day at training giving the nose a little pick in between rounds?? <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

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[Booga]

hehe thats because it busted in a fight. thats my excuse and i'm sticking with it <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
Yes he might get rid of the fairy part and if he trains hard he will have more wins like that!!! Go the floss <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

[pitbull]

dixie I am not accusing you of being corrupt. And if you want to call round and belt me for defending the integrity of people I know and you don't so be it. It wouldn't be the first time I have had a slap in the chops, for it and probably won't be last either. I am sure I will get over it. But I am sick and tired of people that hide behind alias on computer screens slanging of a ring officials from the safety of their computer screens. There is very few of them left and we need more of them. All this crap they cop on here as well as on the night, as far as I am concerned should not happen.

Dixie I don't mind criticism as long as it is constructive. It helps me try and promote my shows better. But do you really think your comments are constructive? For example is insulting my surname with the lord of the rings thing constructive criticism. Not really, and why is it OK for you to give me a gobfull about your theories on this subject but then when I express my thoughts and anger about it that’s not OK. Remember most of the **** that is flying around on here isn’t about me. It’s about the Ring Officials. I know these people fairly well. I know they sacrifice their time and sometime their money to officiate on shows they work on for bugger all. Do you think it is fair for me to sit around and let people constantly bag them and their decisions, its bad enough they cop it on the night from some of the drunken crowd but then to be attacked on a public message board just isn’t on.


You have paid to go to six of my shows they must not have been that bad or you wouldn’t have come back to watch six of them. You also might like to know that I bust my arse for about three months on each promotion trying to make them as good as I possibly can within the small budget I have. The amount of stress one has to endure to promote is fairly bad as well. And now that most of the stress it is over for me till next year I have to put up this crap about one decision on a night that had twelve fights on it.

So now I guess I will be watching my back from now on because sooner or later you are going to catch up with me and give me a hiding for opening my fat mouth and talking out my arse. Well if that is the case too bad. I don’t change my mind on this even if it does cost me a belting. And by the way I am not talking about the judges decision on a particular fight, I am talking about the way some of you guys are slagging of at my officials!

[Floss]

Fairy floss is still there

its just the princess bit thats gone ;)

[Booga]

Floss u"ll always be a princess <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

[dixie]

im not so gutless to be doing anything behind your back and im not the one inviting 'discussion' at your gym. all im saying is that if you want to intimidate people here who are expressing freedom of speach then that is wrong and i would gladly say that to your face anywhere anytime.

yes, i have supported your shows and i have had a good time there. your budget is smallish but the shows are generally very entertaining and id like to think i will continue to support them but that depends on you being a good bloke and not stiffing everyone who disagrees with you or the officials on the odd occasion.

someone earlier on commented rather politly i thought about ONE dubius decision and the chick judge goes berserk and starts giving it to everyone rather than shutting up with the lip and giving her account of it. if judges use that stupid comeback about 'what are your credantials to comment' then they deserve the criticizm they get.
i cant believe how personal everyone takes comments from those supporting them. if you are any good grima then tell the boys to get it on again next fitenite in a rematch and damn well referree the fight yourself...there you go, constructive comment, use this to pump your next show man!

[dbrooks]

Photos at:

http://gallery.citrex.net/No-Bull-Fight-Night-XXVIII

Only the fights with pitbull fighters at the moment!

[Glenda Gough]

Dixie give it a rest!!!!!!!!!! Sorry the way you are coming back on this all the time says to me you are the only one taking it personally. I'm not going to buy into the debate because I think that's been done to death but geez can't you just move on. This was Pitbulls show and of course he is going to express his view and support the people he has respect for and who go to the effort of working on his shows thats what anyone with integrity would do.

Paul for what it is worth I thought the show was great! First time Scott (aka promoboss) and I have been to one of your shows and we will definately come again. It is also the first time we have ever brought our daughter to a show as we were cautious about it and let me say we would bring her to any of your shows and she is an absolute fan now.

Well done and good luck on the next show!

Paul you are a true Gentlemen

[Voice]

nice pic, page 8, #9700...someone got some toenails between the ribs!

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[Floss]

nice photos daniel:)

[pitbull]

Fark here we go again give it a rest, don’t get on here and insult my officials, me and then my surname and wonder why I get pissed off. As far as the inviting 'discussion' at my gym what do you expect me to do drive around Sydney looking for someone called Markop and dixie and whatever other bull**** alias names people use on here I would probably get locked up in the nut house. When I post my name is in my profile, I don’t hide behind an alias, I able not scared of the consequences of what my opinions may bring as I believe in what I am saying.

And this other bull**** about I am trying to intimidate people here who are expressing freedom of speech then that is wrong and I would gladly say that to your face anywhere anytime. Read your next statement please

“I would be a little careful about who you call out. you might not want to have some people knocking on your door to 'discuss' the matter. You are the one making the threats, I’m saying you want to think before you open your loud mouth, I’m not some skinny lightweight who you hold pads for. And finally, i have come to the last 6 of your shows and paid my money. I deserve the right to have a say even if it is a little critical. I don’t deserve to get a gobfull from your fat mouth when you haven’t even watched it and are talking out of your @rse. watch yourself”
What would you call that, friendly conversation.

And finally yes, your comments “I have supported your shows and I have had a good time there. Your budget is smallish but the shows are generally very entertaining and I’d like to think I will continue to support them but that depends on you being a good bloke and not stiffing everyone who disagrees with you or the officials on the odd occasion.”
The point I am trying to make is that you don’t have to agree with my judges but you don’t have to slag them off from the behind your computer screen. After all this crap on here it has made me think why I bother promoting at all.

One other thing the dvd has edited and been finished, tomorrow after I finished doing a couple of private lesson I have booked in I will finally get to watch and judge it and see what all this fuss is about.


Edited by - pitbull on 15 Nov 2005 19:02:42

Edited by - pitbull on 15 Nov 2005 19:14:19

[pitbull]

sorry Glenda I didn't see your post while I was writing the other one thank you as well for your kind words. I am glad you and your family enjoyed the show.

[dixie]

ive been reading these comments again overnight and want to apologise to mr grima.i do not like how you intimidate people but i was somewhat agressive myself, and that is not me.i will come to your next show and might even introduce myself,not to intimidate you but to hopefully patch this up.i still think your judge overeacted to some pretty minor opinions but if you could give your honest view after watching the fight,then that is enough for me.there is no claim the judges are corrupt ect so i want to see what you think. dixie

[pitbull]

OK here we go I have just spent over an hour today of my time today that I don’t really have to see what all this fuss is about. I normally check footage of fights were there is some type of controversy. This fight was made even harder to judge because of all the accusations of how it was a one sided fight and that the judges got it wrong and so on. And by the way this is honestly the first chance I have had to watch this bloody fight properly, between everything I have had to do and waiting for the dvd to be finished.

After watching and judging the fight three times and trying to be objective I can’t see what all the fuss was about. I was expecting a decision like Jeff Fenech and Azumah Nelson’s first fight. This fight by no means was a one sided affair. You have to be farking kidding with some of your comments on here. I also watched and listened to the crowd’s response they were fairly reserved the only booing seem to becoming from Jeff’s crowd was sitting nobody else. Normally when there is a decision that is wrong (and I do admit it can happen) the crowd goes berserk, but in this case that didn’t happen at all.

Yes there was a lot of blood, but blood flow doesn’t score points in a kickboxing fight, clean punches and kicks that land are what scores points. Also there were no standing 8 counts given in any of the rounds as well. Yes Jeff threw a lot of leather but look at how much of it actually connected is a different story all together. There was a couple of time were Jeff hurt his opponent but there were also times were his opponent hurt him.

My scores the first time I judge it
Round 1.10/10
Round 2.10/10
Round 3.10/9 Jeff Phillips
Round 4.10/9 Toby Ryan

The second time I judge it
Round 1. 10/9 Toby Ryan
Round 2. 10/9 Jeff Phillips
Round 3.10/9 Jeff Phillips
Round 4.10/9 Toby Ryan

The last time I judge it were
Round 1.10/9 Jeff Phillips
Round 2.10/9 Toby Ryan
Round 3.10/9 Jeff Phillips
Round 4.10/9 Toby Ryan

So now that I have tried my best to score the fight serval times, something the Judges don’t have the luxury of doing on the night. I presume there will be someone who thinks I can’t judge to save my life as well. And no I wasn’t painting my nails while I was judging the fight. The bottom line is I think that most of the people on here having a dummy spit about the decision don’t follow the correct procedure when it come to judging a fight. So in a way I have to agree with what Rochelle is saying when it comes to her saying “what are your credentials when it comes to judging a fight.’ I know she has judged a lot of fights over the last few years and always comes to our refresher courses, see has also had fights herself. The other judge that scored the fight the same not round for round but got the same result as her, is a former New Zealand fighter and has had quite a few fights himself he was also a judge and a referee back in New Zealand as well. He to does all our refresher courses when they are on. There were rounds that could have gone either way on the night depending on the angle you seen it from like I said earlier Jeff did throw a lot of leather in the first two rounds but watching it from front on you will see a lot of it didn’t land.

Another I would like to bring up is if you look at the judging of the rest of the ten amateur fights on the night it was almost identical on everyone where there wasn’t a knockout. That also tells me something about the standard and integrity of the judges I use. Now that I have posted my honest opinion I suppose I will just wait for the abuse from people that that claim they know more than the experienced judges,most of which have fought themselves and have been judging on a regular basis for a number of years now.



Edited by - pitbull on 16 Nov 2005 20:33:32

[Floss]

this has to be the best pic of jason fight that i took

looks like i was right behind him :P

http://members.optusnet.com.au/billycart/img_1784.jpg



Edited by - Floss on 16 Nov 2005 21:27:02

[Rochelle]

Why has everyone gone so quiet?

It shows from Pitbull's post that the fight was a close fight and was a draw. The 2 fighters were that evenly matched, that neither fighter was better on the night then the other fighter.

Either fighter can always ask Pitbull or another promoter for a rematch and prove that they are the better fighter.

[Wolverine]

Rochelle did you get covered in blood everytime Jeff hit Toby? funny that his face was a mess and Jeff didn't have a mark on him. What ever happened to the sweet science of hitting without being hit?

[Rochelle]

No the only blood i copped was from young Jake after Floss had knee'd him in the face numerous times.

[tdrury]

Hi Rochelle,

Just wanted to say I did not mean to be rude, as I only had the opportunity to say hello and Goodbye at the same time.

I will catch up with you next time.

Did you do you accreditation to be a professional referee through the boxing authority, as it would be good to have some Kickboxing background referee's as professional officials. Then like Paul has stated would be beneficial to utilise you for both.

Thanks

Tim

[Rochelle]

Hey Tim

I understand what it's like. Next time!

Yes I did my Professional Accreditation with the Department of Sport and Rec so I was able to judge the whole night saved Paul at least one judge. Some of the other WKA guys will be doing it soon so we will have more Professional Officials with Kickboxing background.

Catch up with you next time!

Rochelle

[Voice]

fair enough, no argument from me if you have reviewed it several times.

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[Lanks]

Rochelle Jake apologises for the Blood..... What Judges have to go through hey!

[Floss]

sorry rochelle !

i didnt mean to :P

Lanks, when are you guys going to come up and spar ?

[Lanks]

Floss Hopefully before the end of the year the boys are studying hard at the moment they have lots of assignments to get through and its a busy time at work for me. If not, early next year, the boys are keen to get up but have a few other commitments at the moment.havnt talked to paul about it yet but we will be there.

[Booga]

Floss you r such an animal

[pitbull]

Wolverine aka Michael Logan could you please give it a rest mate!!! I have posted my opinion of the fight after judging it several times something a judge don't the luxury of doing on the night. Blood flow don't score points mate. Yes Jeff threw a lot of leather on the night but watch how much landed? I have reviewed the dvd again but this time I have tried to count kicks and punches and then kicks and punches that landed. This means that I had to watch each round 8 farking times which is a pain in the arse when you have already watched it over and over. Once again you past judgement on something you are not accredited to do.

ROUND ONE: Jeff Phillips threw about 26 punches and about 6 of them landed hard to say exactly do to angle of camera and referee position. Actually the second punch Jeff threw is what started Toby’s nose to bleed. Jeff threw about 11 kicks of which about 6 landed. Toby Ryan threw about 27 punches and about 7 of them landed again hard to say exactly do to angle of camera and referee position. Toby threw about 12 kicks which of about 7 landed

ROUND TWO: Jeff threw about 33 punches and about 8 of them landed again hard to say exactly do to angle of camera and referee position. Jeff threw about 11 kicks which about 7 landed. Toby threw about 40 punches of which about 14 landed again hard to say exactly do to angle of camera and referee position. Toby threw about 11 kicks which about 6 landed

ROUND THREE: Jeff threw about 31 punches and about 15 of them landed again hard to say exactly do to angle of camera and referee position. Jeff threw about 9 kicks of which about 5 landed. Toby threw about 28 punches of which about 8 landed again hard to say exactly do to angle of camera and referee position. Toby threw about 6 kicks which about 4 landed

ROUND FOUR: Jeff threw about 17 punches and about 4 of them landed again hard to say exactly do to angle of camera and referee position. Jeff threw about 6 kicks of which about 4 landed. Toby threw about 15 punches of which about 6 landed again hard to say exactly do to angle of camera and referee position. Toby threw about 11 kicks which about 7 landed.

I hope by now you guys slanging off my officials do realize how much trouble I have gone to try and clarify this farking decision and try and educate the uneducated. I hope also by seeing what landed and what didn’t you can realize that the decision that was reached on the night was not a bad one. Like I said already blood doesn’t score points in a fight unless it is from a cut the cause blood to flow and impair ones vision and even then its not a points thing, it normal results in the fight being stopped.



Edited by - pitbull on 18 Nov 2005 18:44:46

Edited by - pitbull on 18 Nov 2005 18:55:13

[dekker]

Mate you dont have to explain yourself or a decision to anyone, so dont give em anymore ammo, the shows over enough said !!!!!

[pitbull]

I know what your saying Danny(king of Siam) but if you show them the facts they might realize something.

[pitbull]

What’s happened to all the people on here (most of them first time posters) slagging off at NSW Amateur Ring Officials on how bad the decision was! I had even gone to the trouble of watching the fight more times than needed, judged it three times, then watched it another eight times per round to count punches and kicks thrown and landed by each fighter. It makes me wonder why I farking bothered with any off it anyway!

[Voice]

quote:fair enough, no argument from me if you have reviewed it several times.

I've pleaded my penance already, and even offered to buy Rochelle a drink at XP12<img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle>

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[pitbull]

Hey voice I am not referring to mate. Your comments have always been constructive on here.

[Wolverine]

You would never admit a mistake was made because that would be discrediting your judges. You can have your 'total' of punches and kicks per round. Fact is Jeffs punches were harder and caused more damage. He rocked the guy about 4 times and cut him open. He won, plain and simple.

[Wolverine]

Also where are the pics of that fight. They show the story. Or are they not up for that reason? Will you only show selected pics?

[Mojoman]

quote:
You would never admit a mistake was made because that would be discrediting your judges. You can have your 'total' of punches and kicks per round. Fact is Jeffs punches were harder and caused more damage. He rocked the guy about 4 times and cut him open. He won, plain and simple.


"You can have your 'total' of punches and kicks per round. Fact is Jeffs punches were harder and caused more damage."

Isn't that what a judge is there to decide? End of the day they need take into account workrate (punches/kicks thrown) vs effectiveness based on a scoring system and then come to a decision? Seems to me thats what the judges who have been accredited and trained have done.
In their view, it was a draw.



Edited by - mojoman on 22 Nov 2005 12:26:46

[pitbull]

Michael Logan all I can say is at least you put your name in your user profile. The reason I have not posted the photos yet is because slyman the photographer has not brought them back to me (I am sure he will back me up on this as well). He was back at my gym on the night at the after party trying to burn me the photos on to cd but I never got them and still have not got them. I think the rather large amounts of Wild Turkey Rare breed I consumed after might have something to do with why I did not ask him for them and until till now had forgotten about them. I will get them and post them as well as I always do.

Secondly where you state Toby was cut, I am glad you were not judging the fight because the cut Toby had was very superficial it hardly bleed at all. All the blood came from his nose not the cut I also stated this earlier somewhere and that the second punch that Jeff threw is what caused the blood flow.

I have also state that I personally judge the fight myself three times different scoring each time but ended up with the same result. Then I went to the trouble of watching each round eight farking times counting kicks and punches thrown and landed. If you read one of my previous posts I also stated that both fighters hurt each other at times as well.

So thank you for your constant *****ing and winging about a decision your not happy with and unaccredited to pass judgement on. It makes we wonder why I bother putting so much effort in to everything I do!

[Mojoman]

Don't let it discourage you Pitbull. Your shows (not the K-1's, Solaks of the world) are the type keeps the fight game alive.

"If you change the way you look at things..what you look at changes"

[Voice]

Pitbull, when is your next promo and any ideas on what you are looking to feature on it?

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[pitbull]

Hi Voice
Not sure on exact dates yet or have it sorted by the end of the month. As far as next year and features I want to still try and promote one pro fight per show but it is getting harder and harder money wise. I am probably moving Smiley up to the 72.5 kg weight division, as it is easier for him to make that weight. I know that mid promotion I will be bring an international fighter to fight him for the ISKA Amateur World Title at 72.3kgs on a WKA promotion. It will be someone from overseas not sure what country (not New Zealand) start work on that early next year. I will keep everyone posted on what’s happening when I work it all out.

Thank you mojoman I am doing my best with what little I have but it does make me wonder why I bother sometimes.

[tdrury]

Hi, Paul just wanted to say I just received my DVD and would like to thank your father for getting it out to me.

Also wanted to say I have not watched all the fights, not that I think anymore comments need to be made.

However I did want to say that I watched Mr Smileys fight and would like to say to him I thought it was a very entertaining bout, well done also to his opponent for giving a good fight.

Paul, I look forward to be a part of your shows again next year, and I know you will have the support of my Gym and sponsors. Also did you say your first show next year will be in May, just so I can prepare a couple of first time fighters that I would like on your shows.

Thanks

Tim

[Rochelle]

Hey Floss ans Lanks

No worries it's all part of the fun!

Wolverine just give it a rest, there was nothing wrong with the decision. So your friend didn't win, he drew and that's what it was a draw a close fight where neither fighter was better on the night. Paul has given up so much of his time to watch the fight on dvd and has given you the facts of the fight. Let it rest.

[markop]

Thanks for the review paul. cant say i would say any different if i was in your position. everyone will make thier own mind up. Hope the dialogue has at the least helped you decide some extra areas to cover in your reffing classes. personally i stand by what i saw, But agree its time to drop it.

[pitbull]

Rob Ross vs Steve Falzon
http://message.axkickboxing.com/images/user_uploaded/pitbull/rob%20ross%20vs%20steve%20falzon.jpg

[pitbull]

http://message.axkickboxing.com/images/user_uploaded/pitbull/floss%20vs%20marks.jpg
ANDREW ‘FAIRY FLOSS’ WEBB vs JAKE MARKS

[pitbull]

http://message.axkickboxing.com/images/user_uploaded/pitbull/dan%20ko%20viktor.jpg
DANIEL BROOKS VS VIKTOR SAROSI

[pitbull]

http://message.axkickboxing.com/images/user_uploaded/pitbull/lewis%20vs%20laris.jpg
REECE LEWIS VS MANUEL LARIS

[pitbull]

http://message.axkickboxing.com/images/user_uploaded/pitbull/willcocks%20vs%20stanley.jpg
MEC WILLCOCKS VS RICK ‘LIVE WIRE’ STANLEY

[pitbull]

http://message.axkickboxing.com/images/user_uploaded/pitbull/popal%20vs%20mcdougall.jpg
EIDREES POPAL VS IAN Mc DOUGALL

[pitbull]

http://message.axkickboxing.com/images/user_uploaded/pitbull/Paule%20vs%20Button.jpg
HANSEN PAULE VS EDDIE ‘THE MUTANT’ BUTTON

[pitbull]

http://message.axkickboxing.com/images/user_uploaded/pitbull/toby%20vs%20jeff.jpg
WKA NSW KICKBOXING TITLE.
TOBY RYAN VS JEFF PHILLIPS

[pitbull]

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WKA NSW KICKBOXING TITLE.
TOBY RYAN VS JEFF PHILLIPS

[pitbull]

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WKA NSW KICKBOXING TITLE.
TOBY RYAN VS JEFF PHILLIPS

[pitbull]

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WKA EASTCOAST WELTERWEIGHT KICKBOXING TITLE.
DES RUSSELL VS TREVIN “MIDNIGHT” BOUDEWYN

[pitbull]

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WKA EASTCOAST WELTERWEIGHT KICKBOXING TITLE.
DES RUSSELL VS TREVIN “MIDNIGHT” BOUDEWYN

[pitbull]

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WKA EASTCOAST WELTERWEIGHT KICKBOXING TITLE.
DES RUSSELL VS TREVIN “MIDNIGHT” BOUDEWYN

[pitbull]

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WKA SOUTH PACIFIC PROFESSIONAL WELTERWEIGHT KICKBOXING TITLE.
TIM DRURY VS PAUL SHEARING

[pitbull]

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WKA SOUTH PACIFIC PROFESSIONAL WELTERWEIGHT KICKBOXING TITLE.
TIM DRURY VS PAUL SHEARING

[pitbull]

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WKA SOUTH PACIFIC PROFESSIONAL WELTERWEIGHT KICKBOXING TITLE.
TIM DRURY VS PAUL SHEARING

[pitbull]

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WKA SOUTH PACIFIC SUPER LIGHTWEIGHT KICKBOXING TITLE.
GLEN “EVEREADY” CROSSMAN VS VON BADATO

[pitbull]

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WKA SOUTH PACIFIC SUPER LIGHTWEIGHT KICKBOXING TITLE.
GLEN “EVEREADY” CROSSMAN VS VON BADATO

[pitbull]

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WKA SOUTH PACIFIC SUPER LIGHTWEIGHT KICKBOXING TITLE.
GLEN “EVEREADY” CROSSMAN VS VON BADATO

[pitbull]

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WKA SOUTH PACIFIC SUPER WELTERWEIGHT KICKBOXING TITLE.
JASON ‘MR. SMILEY’ EDWARDS VS KOJI KUBOTA

[pitbull]

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WKA SOUTH PACIFIC SUPER WELTERWEIGHT KICKBOXING TITLE.
JASON ‘MR. SMILEY’ EDWARDS VS KOJI KUBOTA

[pitbull]

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WKA SOUTH PACIFIC SUPER WELTERWEIGHT KICKBOXING TITLE.
JASON ‘MR. SMILEY’ EDWARDS VS KOJI KUBOTA

[pitbull]

Finally got the photos from slyman last night first chance I have had to post them on here. Sorry for the delay.

[Floss]

yeah some nice photos there paul :)

i havent had a computer this week so i just saw them :):):)

i should be back on monday unless i rort this workcover thingy :P:P:P

jk :P

[Bushi]

Careful what you say floss...<img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle>

Bushi

"Yours in Bushido"

[pitbull]

http://message.axkickboxing.com/images/user_uploaded/pitbull/floss%20vs%20marks2.jpg
Hey bushi floss is a cheeky bugger, he is refering to rorting me with workcover he claims he injured his knee in this photo

[Bushi]

lol....Fair enough Paul,

Lucky he didn't throw a left elbow with the pad !!!

So when's NB29 !!



Bushi

"Yours in Bushido"

[Voice]

good spot Bushi...I might have to get Rochelle to adjudicate on that one and turn the decision...sneaky devil Floss, rolling the pad down your forearm!<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>


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A man's gotta know his limitations...

[Bushi]

big word "adjudicate" Voice....some might say eyespy....lol..nah, we won't go there....

Whilst we're on that topic, what happens if an elbow did let fly and connect with no pad and gesults in a cut or ko!!!

Bushi

"Yours in Bushido"

[pitbull]

bushi not sure on the date for NB29 should have the dates for my three promotions for next year by mid December, But they will now be on a Sunday afternoon same venue though.

Sorry Bushi did not see your other comments about the elbow pad. The pad was on the other side of the referee’s view in this photo. This is sometimes hard to notice with everything else the ref is looking at. If it had of resulted in a cut, which was bad enough to stop the fight it could be called a non-contest or if it was more than one third of the way through the duration of the contest it may go to the scorecards.

Edited by - pitbull on 28 Nov 2005 18:35:28

[Slyman]

Wolverine, my fault the pics weren't up earlier. no idden agenda, i just couldn't get them burned for Paul because of problems with my pc.

Paul, the pics may have to be resized a touch. Also, they seem a bit washed out, but they aren't like that on my pc or camera. Dont know whats going on there.

Apologies for the delay with the pics Paul.

[Floss]

ahahaha nice pic paul :):)

THEY FELL DOWN !!!!!!
watch the dvd they are up when i came out:P

[Turtle]

Hey Floss,

Nice knee mate to bad Paul has only got a single sliding door in the gym your head wont fit through now.

Well done mate.

[Floss]

its coz my arms are massive turtle ???? ;);)

arent i allwoed to have a little ego ???
soon as i start sparring again it should come down :)



Edited by - Floss on 29 Nov 2005 07:31:34

[Awesome]

Pitbull, looks like another success for your fight night. Sorry I couldn't make it but I was at a bucks night and couldn't convince the others to head out to Castle Hill. Having the fights on Sunday afternon is a good idea (won't interfear with my Saturday night drinks). It will be just like the old ACCA days - remember the fights down in Chinatown and town hall on a Sunday afternoon?

Hey Floss, nice knee... Ouch, thats got to hurt.

[pitbull]

Don’t worry about the delay Slyman I told the whingers I would have the photos up when you got them to me, they think there is some type of bloody conspiracy with the fight and that’s why I hadn’t put the photos up. I was in a hurry to get the photos up and farked up on some of them they looked too dark on my PC so I used photo editor to lighten them up a bit that’s why they seem washed out.

Turtle good call mate I think we might have to do something with floss, we told him if he fought well we would drop the fairy but the way the cheeky buggers getting might have to rename him ‘princess fairy floss’ what do you reckon?

Finally mongo or should I say Arsesome still out on a Saturday night with the arm bending thing, well now that I am promoting on a Sunday afternoon you will have no excuses mate, actually its an excuse for you to get some more practice with the arm bending thing I suppose.




Edited by - pitbull on 29 Nov 2005 10:11:43

[Turtle]

Hey Paul,

"Princess Fairy Floss" all the way, ill get him a pink Tiara to match.

Turtle

[pitbull]

What about a pink pair of thai shorts that look like a tu tu as well

[Not Telling]

Hey, I was just talking to Mr Smiley and he said what about "Anal Floss".



Edited by - Not Telling on 29 Nov 2005 10:34:26

[Turtle]

Thats Gold.

Turtle

[Voice]

I hope you aren't going to lie down and take that Floss. Next sparring session in the gym put a horseshoe in the glove man!

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A man's gotta know his limitations...

[Bushi]

quote: I hope you aren't going to lie down and take that Floss

I'm sure there was no pun intended their Voice...<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Bushi

"Yours in Bushido"

[Voice]

haha, yes there was...I can't sneak anything past you bushi!

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A man's gotta know his limitations...

[Rochelle]

Young Floss couldn't get his head through the door at the gym after the fights his ego was that big, i can't imagine how big it is now.

Don't worry Floss i'm sure those boys will bring you right back down, and you'll just have to show us all in your next fight that you can do it again!

[pitbull]

please don't start him off again Rochelle it's been hard enough over the last few weeks

[Floss]

Paul, im going to make you my princess in a minute

Turtle, ill keep, just wait till you want a lift home from the gym when you are plastered, wenty to kellyville is a long walk :P:P:P

[pitbull]

see what I mean I just finshed posting something and the cheeky little buggers at it again.

[percarrso]

anal floss-mmm

[Floss]

WTF ^^^^


ahahahahhahaah

no training today that cut on my hand is nicely infected


all cleaned up now:P



Edited by - Floss on 29 Nov 2005 16:57:56