ZAMBIDIS vs NEZIF II - IT'S ON AS WELL!!! [Archive]

JANER

04-11-2002, 05:04 PM

I watched the fight again last night and Baris did quite well! If it wasnt for the TWO bad rounds, Baris was close!

- I think it was round two when he was too confident he let his hands drop and Zambidis dropped him with a left hook

- and the other was the body rip!

Other than the last round and the two I just mentioned, there were 9 good rounds by Baris. Baris didnt get flogged.

Baris does have the fitness and superior skill to be solid competition! I reckon he can upset Zambidis.

But I dont know if he can win, what do you guys reckon???

Servant

04-11-2002, 05:40 PM

Nah Baris got flogged. He would have been lucky to win more than 2 rounds. Zambidis by KO again.

paul c

04-11-2002, 07:36 PM

At least Baris knows what he's in for this time.
I don't think he'll be underestimating Mike's abilities this time round.

I reckon it will go the distance.

krama

06-11-2002, 10:17 AM

I believe Zambidis will comfortably beat Baris again.

Zam himself has progressed immensely since that fight, Baris has remained at his same level - not to say he is a slouch etc, but he simply has not improved. Another issue, Zam was not going 100% full bore against Baris - he paced himself and ripped into openings (which there were plenty of) when he saw them. I also believe Baris will come into the fight as his cocky self again which will ultimately lead to his downfall. He will get hit hard early, get frustrated, lose his composure and the fight plan will be out the window.
It will be a good fight but Zam to win by either KO or TKO after the sixth round as Zam will just enjoy punishing and tenderising for six rounds then BANG!

remy

06-11-2002, 12:05 PM

If Baris sticks to his game plan it should go the 12 rounds. Baris is very durable.

paul c

06-11-2002, 03:23 PM

Krama

I keep reading posts about Mike going forward and Baris being were he was left off.

How do you figure this, please explain to us?
Since Mike's lost two fights and Baris none.

I mean Mike has done well, but don't you think you're being a little subjective instead of objective in your 'career since assesments'. Seriously buddy, you seem to be closing an eye in either case and only seeing what you want to see.

Axekick157

06-11-2002, 03:57 PM

Have to agree with you there Paul C.

Krama,

As Paul C. has mentioned Baris has not lost a fight since, on a personal scale, I know that Baris is tranning harder than even, 1 being for Alexie and then the rematch with Zambidis, nobody in here is saying Baris will turn the fight around and KO Zambidis in the 3rd or 4th round, but as everyone in here that has seen Baris fight will know, the guy will be in there to give it his 110% and should not be rubbished as a second rate fighter, he is a World Champion and deserves the respect of that from all memebers on here.

Edited by - Axekick157 on 06 Nov 2002 15:00:32

remy

07-11-2002, 03:34 AM

Does anybody know who Baris has lost to apart from Zambidis and the judgement day fight to Chopper?

remy

07-11-2002, 03:40 AM

If anybody is gonna give Zam a run for his money in Australia it will be Baris (kickboxing rules). A second fight will tell the story. It is unfair to discredit him as all fighters falter at some stage. It's extremelly difficult to stay on top for very long. Dawson is the other fighter I that will push Zam.
Any suggestions to who the best challenger in Australia for Zamibidis woud be? Kickboing rules that is. K-1 rules will bring a few more challenges.

krama

07-11-2002, 12:00 PM

G'day gents,
FIsrt I must say I definetly do not rate Baris as a second rate fighter. I have alsways been a fan of Baris and love watching him fight. To his credit, he is one of a few people who has actually gone the distance with him. But Zambidis has had a great many more fights, especially overseas, than Baris has in the same time frame. Fair enough, he was stopped by a knee from Cope, but he was demolishing Cope until the fight was stopped. He has proceeded to destroy 3 Euro champs, and I believe one was a world champ, a few months back in an 8 man elimination under K1 type rules, which included knees, and against 6 foot tall opponents.
Baris will fight the Russian, who to date has been immpressive, but not in the same league as Zambidis.
I still hold the view Baris will challenge him, but the odds are with Zam.

Servant

07-11-2002, 12:17 PM

Paul this is what you wrote

"I keep reading posts about Mike going forward and Baris being were he was left off.

How do you figure this, please explain to us?
Since Mike's lost two fights and Baris none."

I love this little attitude you are developing, but combined with your illogical reasoning it doesn't go down too well. Could the fact that Mike has lost two fights (one due to a cut and one due to a debatable decision) and Baris has lost no fights since they fought be due to the fact that Mike has fought over 10 times since he beat Baris, all over the world against a high level of opponents, while Baris has fought...whats it been...once or twice since then? Zambides destroyed Moroccan great Hassan Kasiroui and won a K1 tournament in Europe are among his wins since beating Baris. Baris has done what? So if some people believe the momentum is with Zambides, do you understand why they think that now? Is it obvious yet? Krama don't worry about these guys jumping on you for daring to believe Zambides will beat him again and possibly quicker. There just trying to make some noise.

paul c

07-11-2002, 06:26 PM

Sash,

I'm not developing an attitute at all.
What sort of attitude do you see from me?
The attitude of not finding fair the comments of Baris being where he was but Mike etc etc. I find Mike has certainly progressed, but hasn't Baris also with his wins?
No he hasn't had as many fights as Mike.

Even though Mike is probably the best figher I've ever seen fight, I was merely pointing out that beating him is not an impossibility. And I was also expressing my oppinion that I don't believe there is as obvious a difference in these guys abilities as you guys see. Hey, I don't argue that there wasn't on the night that they last fought, but I, as others here know for a fact that Nezif is capable of giving Mike an extremelly testing fight.

Sash, I can't see anyone here jumping on Krama, but instead people who are expressing their difference of oppinions. I'm sure the other guys appreciate Krama's points of view as much as I do.

Hey, please don't see this as an anti Zambidis post, cause that would be crap. I love Mike. But I also love the local boys, regardless whether they be Greek, Turkish, or whatever.

Axekick157

08-11-2002, 12:58 PM

Sash,

No one on here is trying to jump on anybody; we are merely expressing our opinions, at the same time trying to respect the fighters on here.

I'm sure all would agree that Mike is an unbelievable fighter who is very gifted and will be very hard to beat, at the same time we are just expressing that we think that Baris will be the strongest contender for Mike under USA rules in Australia.

Regardless of our opinions we should just remember that this is a forum and our comments not to be taken personal, we are all on here because we love the sport so we should concentrate on that instead of bickering.

Servant

08-11-2002, 02:16 PM

You guys dont get it I am laughing at the way Paul comes to his conclusions. He jumped on some guy for saying Mike has progressed further than Baris since they fought and his attitude was "oh tell me buddy how can that be if Mike lost 2 fights since then"
How hard is to comprehend that one guy has fought over 10 times since that fight against world class opponents hence a loss is alsmost expected, while one guy has had what the hell is it, one fight? Against Steve Duet? So tell me, which career do you think has progressed Paul? Oh it cant be Zambides because he lost a couple fights right? lol! I personally could care less who wins in Feb but stupid reasoning makes me laugh.

JANER

08-11-2002, 02:46 PM

Zambidis hasnt beat anyone outside Australia who could beat any of our fighters that he has faced (except paul shearing lol).

Firstly, BAris was undefeated for like 4 years!!! Give him respect people! BAris is the most underated fighter in Australia. Baris is the only person in the world who I know of who could get close to beating Zambidis in kickboxing.

And to be quite honest, if Zambidis knocked out three opponents inside 1 round in a tournament... they must have been very slack opposition!! Zam couldnt put any of our half decent fighters down within 5 rounds!! Kronsek lek, now that was a crap deciscion to stop that fight in the 7th round!

DOnt tell me Zambidis opponents have been world class from his overseas fights! They sound like punching bags to me.

Servant

08-11-2002, 03:02 PM

'Zambidis hasnt beat anyone outside Australia who could beat any of our fighters that he has faced'

And you know the reputations and accomplishments of the people Zambides has beaten JANER? Tell us about Hassan Kassroui then please. Can't wait for your analysis.
As usual JANER you are being ininformed, biased and pretty narrow minded. All these comments from a guy who tells people that Gurkan Ozkan has knocked out 25 people in one round. Gee JANER they must have been weak opposition! Oh hang on a second, it's bull****e anyway! Krognsak Lek was a bull****e stoppage but Gurkan Ozkan behaved well and did nothing wrong in the Vermes fight. I sense you have a very small mind JANER.
Oh despite the fact you know nothing about who Zambides has beaten, maybe you can enlighten us as to who Baris has beaten that is not "weak" like Zambides' opponents?
Stick to worshipping Ozkan JANER.

Edited by - sash on 08 Nov 2002 15:04:09

remy

08-11-2002, 05:32 PM

The opponents he faced overseas were no slouches from what I hear Janer. And he did beat Jenk pretty well, and Forrester didn't last long. The K-1 max should give us an update to the level of the fighters. Dawson, JWP, Jenk, Chopper are all world class opponents for Zambidis.
I do agree that Baris is under rated in Australia. He just hasn't been fighting much lately though. Should be an explosive fight anyway.

paul c

08-11-2002, 06:00 PM

Sash, see if you can understand this.

I see Baris knocking out two opponents in two fights as moving forward.

I see Mike as having however many wins and two losses...as moving forward.
But, if we're going to be critical of Baris for having so few fights, or not moving forward, then lets introduce into our pre fight predictions the fact that Mike's had two losses.

Just because Baris has had only 2 fights doesn't mean he's a going no-where fighter, which I interpreted from Krama's comment and then asked him to eloborate his oppinion. Give us further explanation of what he meant so to speak.
If that's exactly what he meant, then no big deal, it's just an oppinion. Which people seem to do on forums.

Again, I didn't jump on Krama. I never jump on anyone. It's not in my nature to jump on people.

My dissagreement is clear though.
I don't find 'Baris has stayed the same' as accurate. I see him as a deadly kickboxer who's a threat to any champion in his weight division under Kickboxing rules.
Had he had 10 fights, he too may have won 8, but instead has chosen for whatever reason to have 2.

Sash, it just seems that you can't stand to see anyone give any fighter a shot against Mike. Otherwise, why are you so riled up on Krama's behalf.

paul c

08-11-2002, 06:03 PM

Jeez,

Hey, why are you jumping on Janer?

Don't worry about him Janer.

How silly does this sound in a Forum?
People are meant to have a differing oppinion, or otherwise why don't we just change the topic to the 'Mike Adoration' thread.

This is the last I have to say on this topic, because I can just see myself being labeled anti Mike, whom again I have to agree is favourite to win.

But, I will be chearing Baris on. Sorry, he's one of my favourite fighters.

Edited by - paul c on 08 Nov 2002 17:16:49

JANER

08-11-2002, 06:40 PM

Sash, please give me more names on who Zambidis beat overseas that we have heard of.

JANER

08-11-2002, 06:44 PM

And I would be SMALL MINDED if I said:

"Ozkan has knocked out 25 people in one round!"

Whos the wise guy now Sasha baby?

memek

08-11-2002, 07:02 PM

Sash, first of all this is a forum not a court room nor a gay club. Why are you getting your knickers in a knot? Or does your husband have your handbag???

Why hang crap on the legends of posters in here? ie Paul and Janer. Why do you have to take opinions into arguments?

I really like Zambidis better than Baris as a fighter, but I do take all points into consideration. True, who has Zambidis fought? WHere are they from? What are there names? Why not list them and raise a discussion??

Paul is arguing that if you wanna look at improvement of both fighters, baris has won all his fights whereas Zam has lost two fights.

Remember THIS IS NOT, I repeat "NOT" A FANCLUB website!

Servant

08-11-2002, 07:03 PM

Paul I can't give a damn who wins. I would even lik to see an upset Your funny logic made me comment. If you cant understand it, spend more time trying to understand the nuances of the fight game.

As for JANER...my man what is the point of naming anybody to you? You are the guy who asked "who is Ramon Dekker". Which pretty much sums up your knowledge of the sport and proves shooting off names to you is a pointless exercise.

Edited by - sash on 09 Nov 2002 02:34:23

Servant

08-11-2002, 07:07 PM

Oh by the way, please don't post under your aliases JANER, or "memek" or whatever you want to be called.

JANER

08-11-2002, 07:08 PM

Sash you seem to think your a smart male/female. List all the overseas names Zambidis has fought after Baris and there fight record. And as for Ramon Dekker, his hay days were when I was just getting my pen licence at primary school.

And your comment to Paul wasnt called for. WHat do you do for a living?

memek

08-11-2002, 07:14 PM

got no body to help you out do you Gashy?

memek

08-11-2002, 07:17 PM

got no body to help you out do you Gashy?

da GhOsT

08-11-2002, 07:26 PM

baris will ko zambidis this time<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>how u going janer (siktir et ibneyi)

Omniscent

08-11-2002, 07:33 PM

Hey guys,
I just have to register and stick my 5 dollars in.
Having viewed this board and tariks and fighttime and the boxing site for a while i have come to the conclusion that Janers writing style gives himself away in that he is pretty un informed and uses alias names to back up his own biased ramblings.Have a look at the times of postings by memek and janer. I remember a guy taking him to task about it once before. Janer has never denied these accusations and does come across as a kickboxing tragic to me. who will blindly support gurkan about anything. Come on janer give me an intelligent informed reply dudette

Pete M

08-11-2002, 09:25 PM

just flicking through
an older international kickboxer
the one with ben 'pixie' burton on the front cover. and i'm reading the article about mike winning the "king of the ring" tournament in italy. it says that mike knocked out all of his opponets in the first and second round, pretty impresive for someone who is only 22. it also stats that his opponets were all some sort of world champoins from all parts of Europe. if this article is acurate and they are true world champions than that is a huge effort in itself. shortly after the baris fight. Mike knocked out an all time ring great Dutch Morrocan Hassan Kassrioui, in grease.

I'm not against you Janer or paul C or anyone.
it's just that Janer you asked about some of the fighters that mike has fourght before.
i don't really care who wins because i really don't care much for mike or baris. i was going for mike cope when he fourght mike last year in the k1.

but anyway i just thought i'd post this information.