Australian Max Rankings

[Rising Promotions]

Hi all, we would like to know your thoughts on the best ten guys in Australia under MAX rules. Please make sure they can cut 70kg and they are still active. Thanks guys.

Roy Luxton

Rising Promotions

[bigrocket]

JWP
ELSON
SOREN
PIXIE
PREACHER
KEOGH
F-16
Theres a few
ps, good luck this weekend:)

bigrocket

[Rising Promotions]

thanks big rocket, great list, I originally compiled one and found only queenslanders, would like to include guys from interstate too, but realised most of the stronger and experienced guys are here.

Can Elson cut 70? would be awesome if he can, also I'm hoping Ecklboom can cut 70. Waiting to see how that goes

If you interstate guys can put in some names such as Purcell, Foreman i know about, i want to cover the whole of Australia, so we may end up with 10 or 12 guys to pick from, if their are injuries etc then we will know who to call.

Also, how about Eli Madigan? he looked good at the warriors at war show.

My fights been postponed until Paul's next show on August 27th.

Roy

[Voice]

Greg Foley would definitely make that list though he is obviously a kickboxer...would be interested to know if his comeback includes a move to K1 rules.

How about Ben Spivak (not sure of weight). Scotty Butler, Shaggy King, Ash White.
The problem with the rankings is that there are really only about 5 or 6 actual K1 exponents in Max here, the rest are kickboxers or MT fighters.

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Edited by - voice on 02 Aug 2005 12:05:04

[bigrocket]

Hi Roy,
Warren will be down to 70kg for the super 8 in september,i think he will be very hard to stop at that weight.

bigrocket

[Voice]

indeed he would with a few more comeback fights....we really need fresh blood to take on the big 4

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[Bushi]

Ben Spivak's mid - high 50's by memory..

"Yours in Bushido"

[Imsta]

Ben' 57-60Kg

[Voice]

Doh! Thought he was fighting the thai at mid 60s at bf3. My mistake.

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[cut cut strike]

Dom DeVanna could cut 70kgs

[DMS]

It'd be awesome to see DeVanna in this lineup but I can't see it happening without a lot of notice & maybe a couple of warm ups.

[Imsta]

What about Johny Diesel? He gave Preacher a hard time.

[sniper]

can i ask what date this would be??? will take a while but would be something to strive for if given enough time.

[Voice]

don't even think about it Snip...your ribs would be sticking through your pasty white skin at 70kgs bro...<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

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[SPADA]

Top 10 K1 Max Australia.......

1. JWP
2. Elson
3. Preacher
4. Pixie
5. Soren
6. Behic
7. F16
8. Foley
9. Shaggy
10. Manigan
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JWP..... definately at number 1.A cut above the rest.

Elson.... "if" Warren can make the weight,then he would have to be right up there.He is naturally heavier then 70 kgs and with his long reach and awesome knees,he would cause dramas for the others.

Preacher,Pixie and Soren...... **** of the coin between these guys.Depends on who can put it together better.All are capable of taking it out.

Behic..... If he is still fighting,then he would make the line up.He has good experience in the Oceania MAX having fought in 2 tournaments.
The 3 x 3 mins rounds with limited clinching should suit Behics fast paced style.

F16....... Skill wise,he is up there,but i think that a taller and heavier fighter like Elson might put a end to him.Tough as nails

Foley..... Would like to see Greg make this field.Not sure if he is still fighting,but like Behic,the 3 x 3 mins are right for his style.

Shaggy...... underfeated,and the perfect event to test his skills against the best in Australia in a 8 man format.

Manigan...... "UNDER-RATED"!!!!!!!!!... derserves to be in there.He totally shut down Andrew Keogh and simply needs to be presented with opportunities like the MAX to further showcase his talents.
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Others:-

Keogh :- out of form at the moment.

Aird:- inactive?????.... but could fit in

Riddler:- Retired

Purcell:- Any pull ots or injuries.... he would go in.Showed the Preacher that he is no push over.

White:- good fighter... but the weight and knees will find him out.

Sniper:- Too heavy

Boom Boom:- Same as Sniper??????

DeVanna:- Inactive and weight????????

cheers Spada

[supermario]

1. JWP
2. Preacher
3. Soren
4. Pixie
5. F16
6. Elson
7. Shaggy
8. Madigan
9. Keogh
10. Damager

I know they're all Queenslanders, but what can I say, I'm biased. Also, they had to be still active, which is why I did not include Behic or Foley, otherwise, they would've made the list also.

[babyface]

Jenk Behic....if in action would be in that top ten......
the list is great....

[shaunw]

dont think foley deserves to be anywere near the 10 in my opinion.hey voice scotty butler yet to step up against big guns, so i wouldnt put him in.(from memory only fought rex redden and hammid both ko loses)
JWP
ELSON
SOREN
PIXIE
PREACHER
FINLAYSON
f16
ELI
SHAGGY
WHITE
????

10th spot a mystery fighter, maybe ngakau spain depending on how he goes in supa 8. also what has happened to clayton collier? if active he could be a darkhorse.

pig goes oink oink, cow goes moo, chicken goes cluck cluck, how bout you?

Edited by - shaunw on 03 Aug 2005 17:03:28

[Glass Jaw]

I don't know re: activity and weight and location but:

Collard
Curovic
Aird
Allen
Halford
DeVanna
Jenk
Baris
Oliver Warren

.....all good enough to sub for any guy.

Collard, DeVanna, Allen are boxers now, don't know if will convert back.

John obviously a little heavier.

Aird was injured last I heard.

Jenk was taking time off.

Baris still good enough to have as an entrant but don't know story with him.

Curovic.....still waiting for his return. Him vs. Elson on first round would be great start to tournie.

Didn't know Foley was returning.

Oliver Warren would be ok, four man tournie winner in WA and record like 7-1-1.

Oliver Olsen come back????

of course Elson, Pixie, Soren, JWP, Zam, Preacher even maybe smaller F-16 good line up.

Shaggy is ok too.

[Rising Promotions]

guys, some great picks their, lets try to find out which of these guys is inactive so their names stop coming up for future events.

As far as we know, we have to rule these fighters out due to these reasons, if we are wrong on any of these, please can their trainers or managers advise us through info@rising.net.au

Devanna- cannot cut 70?
Collard- is retired from kickboxing?
Curovic- is too big or retired?
Aird- is definately retired
Allen- is not training seriously?
Halford- cannot cut 70?
Jenk- retired, but I heard he may be returning
Baris- retired
Oliver Warren - dont know much about him more info please
Foley- doesnt fight with knees
Riddler- retired
Sniper- cannot cut 70
Boom Boom- maybe cannot cut 70
F-16- still popping up but a natural mid 60's fighter
Spain- cannot cut 70
Shaggy- need more info, sounds good
White- cannot use knees, maybe retired
Keogh- need more info

Their are some other names we have, remember we have to look to the future, and try to include guys from all over Australia, these guys may not be as strong as some of the queenslanders, but have the potential to be A level if they are brought on the right way.

Diesel- from Vic, We like, great future ahead
Foreman- from Mungkorn, loads of potential, will step up to fight the best
Milan Milosevic- Best in Adelaide, trains hard, great potential

Any more up and comers you guys can think of? We are also looking at using smaller xplosion shows to bring on these younger guys, we cannot allow such a generation gap to happen again, JWP,Preacher,Pixie,Soren, then............the next guys. We realise theres great guys like Elson coming down, F16 moving up, but need to look at the future of the sport also, guys coming out of retirement maybe be a hit locally, but generally its only going to stop the up and comers getting opportunities.

So lets sort out the list I made above, who is available, who is not, then we can make a realistic list.

Thanks again guys

Roy

[Voice]

quote: White- cannot use knees, maybe retired

haha, very harsh Roy.

He did, after all, appear on your last Xplosion show against Pixie under K1 rules...but I agree, he can't use them, can he.<img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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[dutts72]

Ahhhh Jenk may be returning? Please let me no if so as there is still an outstanding score to settle.:):):)

"Muay Thai Never Dies"
"Life in Every Breath"
Ome Mane Padme Hum

[Bushi]

Throw Zambo in as a wild card against the Aussies....

I know this is for Oceania...but it's under Max rules and contracts !

Here's an opportunity !!!!

"Yours in Bushido"

[Rising Promotions]

zdk, zambo already has inroads to K-1, so there is no point bringing him here and stopping or slowing down our boys careers. He is an awesome fighter and im sure K-1 will keep inviting him back for a long time, K-1 dont want him to represent Oceania, they want him to remain greek, so they can bring in an Oceania boy.

roy

[Voice]

in that case Roy, don't forget to put Jordan Tai right up there next to Pixie. If it is Aus/NZ he certainly should be close to the big names.

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[Rising Promotions]

thats right voice, after we have determined Australia's top 10 we will cut some off the elite list, only the top four will battle nz's top 4, but the other 6 are just as important as they are the future of the sport, and they can keep pressing for higher positions.

roy

[bad boy]

Haven't posted or checked out the site for a while but just saw this topic so,
Brad Aird - Definatley retired.
Agree with Roy on a couple of things. Have to bring up new talent,
I remember seeing Pixie have a fight against another young guy from his gym for practice the night F16 and I fought each other so alot of these guys have been around for 10 to 12 years. Good to see a few still going strong, but we do need to bring some new talent through. No one new has realy made a mark on the 70kg for a while. Hopefully we will see some new talent come through. Eli Madigan will be one to watch I think.
Must be some new up and comers interstate, come on all you Mexican's lets see if you can give the Queenslanders a run for our money. Max rules favour kickboxers as much as thai fighters so no excuses for what rules you have fought under in the past. Time to step up and take a chance.
Bad Boy

[shaunw]

is rex redden still active?(for the nz part)

pig goes oink oink, cow goes moo, chicken goes cluck cluck, how bout you?

[SPADA]

Foley doesn't fight with knees????????

Didn't he train with amir... and then with the Bulldog gym????

This is K1 rules.... so Greg should have no problem with the limited clinch rule.

Roy........

If you are looking to the future and have only 4 spots available...then how about a 4 man or 8 man for the up and comers with the winner to get the 4th spot in the Oceania MAX.
It gives the "new breed" a chance to show their skills with an incentive to win.

4 man:-

Shaggy
Manigan
Diesel
Foreman

winner to join Pixie,Soren,Preacher and the other 4 fighters from N.Z


If you compare the talent pool...Australia has more fighters available at 70 kgs then N.Z.
Who would be in the draw from N.Z????
Jordan Tai and ?????

cheers Spada





Edited by - spada on 03 Aug 2005 17:12:08

[Bushi]

Roy,

Is JWP an automatic for Oceania in K1's eyes or does he also have to requalify...

If he's already in why not the K1 Oceania Super fight with JWP v Zambo...just to fill the GC Exhibition Centre...<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

"Yours in Bushido"

[shaunw]

spada choppa?

pig goes oink oink, cow goes moo, chicken goes cluck cluck, how bout you?

[Glass Jaw]

Rising - ask DeVanna and Curovic, you never know, besides....these two guys will put up great efforts and have a real chance.

Of course Soren, Pixie and Preacher if accustomed to the weight would be good additions as already mentioned. We know a little of how they look at the weight.

Warren has good record like mentioned, and has a win in a 4 man against Adam Bailey et al. from Phons.

Recently beat Demitry.....

A Warren vs. Shaggy bout would be a good good one, winner to get a place would be fair enough.

Warren is trained by Blair Smith, one of few men to beat Eugene.

Hope helps.

Mungkorn could help for sure.

[SPADA]

Shaunw........

I thought of choppa,but does he have to requalify again????
Going on past years,he problary has to go back and start again since he lost his qualifier for the K1 MAX finals against JWP.So you could be right.

Rex Redden????? is he still active and can he make the weight???
At 70 kgs,he is simailar to Ash White in the way that he is more of a 66 kg fighter.

Prince Hamid would have to be in there as well.

Arslan could also be in it again since he is based out of N.Z

cheers Spada

[berzerker]

quote:
Foley doesn't fight with knees????????

Didn't he train with amir... and then with the Bulldog gym????

This is K1 rules.... so Greg should have no problem with the limited clinch rule.

Edited by - spada on 03 Aug 2005 17:12:08


I think foley has retired from KB and has taken up boxing now. I remember reading about his boxing win a few months ago in my local paper.

[Voice]

he is now back in the kickboxing circles and is scheduled to fight in August at Hornsby...

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[Kostet]

Voice, can you please tell me a little more about it? When in August and who is he fighting?

Cheers!

[Voice]

Kostet,
I've just spent 20mins trawling past topics. I can swear there is a poster somewhere of this show....let me delve into deeper waters and revert.

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[Rising Promotions]

ZDK- JWP is directly contracted to K-1 through us, so at this stage no he doesnt have to qualify to get a shot at the final 16. As we saw with the last MAX series he faced off with Choppa, who was the Oceania Tournament winner.

Glass Jaw- We tried getting Devanna for our first K-1 Challenge show last year but was told 72 minimum. Any news on Curovic? We are not sure if he is active, and can cut 70? Maybe you can help me with info from the west about those matters.

Guys, I too would like to know more about Foley.

Spada- Just looking for aussies at this stage, Dixon has a list of Kiwi's.

Roy

[Kostet]

Thanks Voice.

[corks]

Someone please approach Johnny p and give him a fight. He will give his all for Melbourne. Great fighter who comes to fight and loves the sport.

He has been plagued by people pulling out on him. John has taken on some great oponents and pushed them all the way.

I've recently watched a video of eli madigan

madigan vs purcell would be awesome.

[Bushi]

Roy

Could you imagine the crowd if you had JWP v Zambo as a superfight !!!

Is it at all possible, they're both K1 Contracted !!

"Yours in Bushido"

Edited by - zdkbushido on 05 Aug 2005 14:22:23

[Donny]

Why would Greg Foley take a side step in his current career path to take on a kickboxing fight?? It wouldn't make sense.

He is with one of the highest profile boxing gyms (Jeff Fenech) in Australia. Which puts him in great steed to further his fight career professionally and financially.

His has had 4 Professional boxing fights and won all four, 3 by KO.

[Daz]

If I cut one of my legs off I might be able to make 70<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

[harls]

LOL Daz.

Also I agree Corks, John Purcell is very underrated and would be a worthy addition.

"One world, one Muay Thai"

[Rising Promotions]

Yes I have contacted Purcells (Diesel) trainer, he will be involved in the rankings for sure.

So after

Preacher
Pixie
Soren
(top 3 in no particular order)
Purcell
Foreman
Milsevic
Madigan
(seem to be the up and comers)
one more...Foley?

Top 8 will be decided very soon, would like to include another non Queenslander but running out of options...

Roy

[Voice]

Roy, did you call the number i gave you for foley's manager? I'm now starting to doubt myself, as hearing different sources saying he is boxing still but others claiming he is back on the circuit (if the money is there). DOH!<img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle>

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[Glass Jaw]

What about Marwin and or Rhino, or the Thai who trains with Phon?

Finlayson too small????

[Rising Promotions]

Voice- Yes I've called Greg's Manager and they are "super keen" to be involved.

So Greg Foley is in!!!

Roy

[shaunw]

i dont think foley can match the big names? maybe he may surprise me

pig goes oink oink, cow goes moo, chicken goes cluck cluck, how bout you?

[Rising Promotions]

Hi guys, here's the current list for the MAX Rankings, in no particular order (though the top three will remain the top three)

Preacher- (QLD,K6 Gym Brisbane)
Pixie- (QLD,Strike Force Gym Gold Coast)
Soren- (QLD,Nugget's Gym Brisbane)
Foley- (NSW,Full Force/Fight Rite Gyms Sydney)
Foreman- (WA,Mungkorn Gym Perth)
Madigan- (QLD, Mad X Gym Sunshine Coast)
Purcell- (VIC, Young Bulls Melbourne)
Milosevic-(SA, Flinders Uni Muay Thai Adelaide)

Need help with the reserves guys, Keogh? someone else interstate?

thanks

roy

[Bushi]

Roy,

Just to clarify...are these the fighters to compete !!!

How will the rankings work, points, KO points etc..

"Yours in Bushido"

[Rising Promotions]

ZDK- This is the list I will submit to Ray and K-1.

Any other guys forum members think should be in or reserves, let me know asap.

Roy

[Voice]

Shaun,
don't write Foley off, I think he will be a dark horse in K1 and will do very well. I saw him a few days ago and is looking fit.

Roy,
keep an eye on Tim Drury as a potential...needs to put a few kgs on but has tremendous fitness and workrate and is keen to move to K1/MT as they train heavily in that at the Supalek gym. Outside the Top 10 at present but given a few fights will be a decent K1 fighter.

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[Rising Promotions]

Hi Voice, can you please send me the contact number or email for Tim Drury, also the fighter he fought on the weekend.

Thanks

roy

[SPADA]

Roy.........

Can you give shaggy a crack at these guys.He is about 72 kgs but shouldn't be a problem to get him to 70kgs cut off.

Soren in the draw may put him out,as they are from the same gym.
But on form ( underfeated) he has to be one of the 1st chosen.

Young..... hungry.....capable??????

cheers Spada

[Voice]

I agree Spada...Shaggy ideal candidate. Too bad about the gym problem though, but really this shouldn't stop him. In the world of pro fighting, the ring is the office and fighting a stablemate (if it came to this) is reality.

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Edited by - Voice on 09 Aug 2005 16:56:45

[shaunw]

voice i just dont think he can do it. but k1 rules will suit him abit. should be interesting.

Max Power, he's the man who's name you'd love to touch. But you mustn't touch! His name sounds good in your ear, but when you say it you mustn't fear! Cause his name can be said by anyone

[Glass Jaw]

What happened with Oliver Warren from WA Rising? Or even Steve Zankl from Lanna Muay Thai if same weight.

Also why no F-16 now??

Alan Pond?

[Seth_2]

No offence to Oliver Warren, but he isnt up to these guys standards. He is still a developing fighter with alot of potential, but has only had 10 fights. Steve Zankle is alot lighter, he sits on about 63 i think..? and agen wuld b out of his league. As is Alan Pond, does he still fight?

"One World One Muaythai"

[stacky]

I'd go into the K-1 as the underdog i think i would do well,
i always come 2 fight no matter who it is, no disrespect 2 the top class fighter but it would be an honor 2 fight them.
Ive only had 16 fights but im ready 4 the next step.
If u think im worthy u can contact my trainer..<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

I think i can cut it, if not ill die tryin..<img src=icon_smile_blackeye.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_dead.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>

Edited by - stacky on 10 Aug 2005 07:51:00

[Rising Promotions]

Hi Stacky, sorry not sure who you are mate?

[sillybilly]

yes i really mean no disrespect to tim drury either but he is nowhere near the level of these guys. yes his super fit so not picking on him or anything but saw him mentioned and that is a very far fetched idea. i just reckon his very messy style would make for very ugly fights, not somebody i'd enjoy watching..... he'd be finished early in my opinion. stacky, much more potential.

[Voice]

Voice wrote:
quote: keep an eye on Tim Drury as a potential...needs to put a few kgs on but has tremendous fitness and workrate and is keen to move to K1/MT as they train heavily in that at the Supalek gym. Outside the Top 10 at present but given a few fights will be a decent K1 fighter.


Maybe read the whole post properly next time Sillybilly. As mentioned above no one said he should be ranked there right now but may be one to watch as a chance going forward. After all, aren't we looking for young guys to come through?
btw, Tim is about 31 wins from 38 fights I think, so is no bum...just needs some adjustment from KB to K1.

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Edited by - Voice on 12 Aug 2005 15:46:00

[stacky]

Rising promotions,
my name is christian stack and i train with johnny scida.
melbourne

[tdrury]

I accept constuctive criticism and use it to motivate me in training and fighting.

I understand what has been said and agree, I don't believe at this stage I am rated as top 10, however with the right fights and experience I have know doubt that I will be there.

It will be an honour to be in amongst these top fighters, as I respect them all for becoming what they are.

With out opportunities no fighter would become a success. I believe to be the best you have to fight the best.

Just my thoughts.

[Donny]

Well Said Tim !!

They are the words of a TRUE WARRIOR.

You sound focused, confident and yet humble.

I wish you all the best.

[DMS]

Roy, I spoke to Dom Devanna yesterday & he told me he may be interested in fighting depending on time. He has a few kg's to lose but might be able to do it depending on time. If you're interested give him a call. If you need his number i'll email you.

[Turtle]

Good Call Tim,
I think your a good fighter given the oppertunity i think you could step it up nothing ventured nothing gained.

[Voice]

It's been a good thread this one...certainly stirred up the ant's nest and got a lot of potentials involved...very effective.

Roy will be at the Manly Bulldog show tonight if anyone wants to catch up with him for a chat.

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[sachamcgann]

hey seth 2, just commenting on your piece, yer steven weighs in at 60kg but had to go down to 58 last week for a fight in japan, he won,, congrats on steven.... <img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_kisses.gif border=0 align=middle>

sacha