Where's Tibor?

[Slyman]

Can someone bring me up-to-speed with the where-abouts of Tibor Vermes? I haven't heard of him having a fight for a while.
Is he here? Overseas? Retired? Any fights in the near future?
He was pretty much a high profile fighter, but after his fight with Gurkan he seems to have gone to ground.
Maybe I've just been living under a rock.

[allanf]

Last thing i heard about him was he was in jail!! on drug chargers

[Glenn]

In jail. See Sundays paper for the latest news.

[madjack]

And I got told to keep it quiet, looks like everyone knows already..

[remy]

http://www.sundaytimes.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,7034,5316971%255E421,00.html

[Slyman]

<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> Thanks guys, being in Sydney I haven't heard any of that stuff!
Sorry to hear he has made some bad choices in life - it's a pity to see people go off the rails like that.

Did you notice how the media portayed a link between crime and Kickboxing in the opening sentence by stating that "A WORLD champion kickboxer was yesterday jailed for at least a year."

Would they have mentioned something like that if he cultivated Koi Carp (fish) as a hobby? Ignorant minded media always seem to put their angle on certain things upon which to cast dispersions.

[Axekick157]

Agree with you their Slyman, it is very disappointing to see someone so gifted as Tibor crossing the wrong side of the tracks. More so that he broke the law for a second time after he was warned and received a slap on the wrist.

As a fighter I think he was the best, even if Gurkan did beat him by default. As a fair and square fight I think Gurkan would have found it extremely hard to come close to Tibor.

At the end of the day though Gurkan is still kicking most people's arse and has proved himself time and time over again that he is a true champion and great entertainer.



Edited by - Axekick157 on 22 Oct 2002 16:23:29

[da GhOsT]

well said axekick<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

[Glenn]

Interesting to see that both Gurkan and Tibor have had trouble with the law. Remember Gurkan's motorbike escapade a while back?

[remy]

Is this going to become 'name the fighters who have had trouble with the law' thread?

[Glenn]

Well they are sportsman who are in the public eye, so it should be no suprise if these things are discussed (ala Ricky Pointing).

But on the other hand, I see your point and will pull my head in.

[John K]

Axekick, Tibor was totally dominating Gurkan, hence Gurkan started fouling and acting like a mini-Tyson, hence Tibor got fed up and walked out of the ring. Tibor could have kept a cooler head and continued his dominanace, but clearly he was getting no help from Gurkans fouling or the ref not doing anything about it. Gurkan did not come close to beating Tibor, I would not say he beat Tibor by default or by anything. If you call that a win, it's shameful for the sport. Although it resulted in a "no decision", Tibor was the real winner that night while Gurkan and Tarik had to do some big damage control afterward to heal the huge hit their reputations took for the rubbish that went on that night. Thankfully its forgotten now.

[paul c]

Guys,
Yes they are sportsman who are in the public eye.
It doesn't surprise me that people want to discuss such things on public forums.
I choose not to because
A: I don't think it's good for the sport
B: I don't think it's helping the fighter any espescially since this sort of forum is probably read by the industry leaders, perhaps sponsors whom support kickboxing etc.

I'm not judging people who choose to discuss these topics of Fighters or people within the industry and their bad choices. I know you guys don't have any malicious intent, but please consider what it would be like. You've made the mistake and your going to pay for it. We as the better educated kickboxing fans I think can do our champions the courtesy of not helping the news get about.
I'm sure none of us would want to read such things about our friends, family or neighbors.

Just my oppinion.

[Servant]

Paul thats a bit like boxing fans saying "oh we shouldnt talk about how Tyson raped that girl".
Acting like it never happened is futile wouldn't you say? The fact is it's in the mainstream news.

[paul c]

Sash,

The Tibor thing is pretty old. I was more referring to an 'In General" for the half dozen other times during the past year or so that kickboxers have got themselves in trouble with the law. I guess the majority of those guys were lucky that they didn't make it into major newspapers, but sure enough there was someone in the Kickboxing community compelled for whatever reasons to share this info with the 5000 or so registered ax members and the many hundreds whom would use the 2 other major Australian message-boards.

[JANER]

I still have the AGE newspaper clipping of the Ozkan article! As for the Tibor V Ozkan fight, Ozkan was improving as the fight went on... I have the video right here and I have watched it many times. Gurkan dropped with a knee kick but the last round or so, Tibor did feel the power of Ozkan!

Tibor created the shame as HE WALKED out. The referee David Hedgcock did warn Ozkan. However Dana Goodson bit more than he could chew that night, he isnt a promoter but just a trainer and for him to take the microphone and create an already hostile crowd feel even more angry was dead right wrong. Dont blame Tarik, David Hedgcock or even Ozkan as Tibor walked out of the ring. Like Tarik said, you walk out, you LOSE. It was claimed a "no decision" just to put a sock in the media and tibors mouths.

Remember, the crowd only got pissed off when Tibor left the ring...

[Servant]

JANER, it's clear you are horribly biased and have the blinkers on when it comes to Ozkan. He was well on his way to a dominant loss. Ozkans actions were deplorable. Tibor probably feared for whaty Ozkan may do in the state he was in, I know I would. What would he do next? Bite, headbutt, attack in between rounds? The crowd BOOED Ozkan and Solak when they acted like thugs, PARTICULARLY when Ozkan paraded around the ring arrogantly and Solak told the crowd to shut up and go home for booing Ozkan and himself. The crowd cheered when Tibor calmly said "everybody knows who the real winner is tonight". Ozkan meanwhile acted like a thug and lost a LOT of fans that night, believe you me. Please JANER, don't insult peroples intelligence and try to justify whatever it is you are trying to justify, the facts were kind of clear, regardless of what the fan in you WANTS to believe! I fully expect to read a bunch of posts (probably from the same person) telling me how awesome Ozkan is and how I'm an idiot or whatever, so fire away. Neutral fans aren't stupid.

[Axekick157]

Sorry Janer, I can't agree with any of your comments in the Vermes - Ozkan Fight, Gurkan was never going to win the fight and he knew that, thats why he kept on fouling Tibor, this was a professional fight for a World Title and not some kind of back street brawl that Gurkan made it out to be. I am sure a lot of fighters would have step out of the ring on the night because of his antics; professionals don't display those sort of actions, like head butting, headlocks etc.

I too was there on the night and in my eyes Vermes was winning all the way and I'm a huge Gurkan fan.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Axekick157]

Also in relation to speaking about sportsman's criminal background, I believe as fans and spectators it is just natural for us wanting to talk about the subject, these people are in the public eye and as everybody on here will know, we talk about anything and everthing to do with the sport.

What we must do is think before we comment and be very carful not to make judgement on these people as they are still same people that we admired prior to any event that may have happened.

[remy]

I don't think that it should be kept a secret, especially when it's in the papers. Vermes trouble for this incident was in the paper early last year. Like axkick said however, just be careful on the comments actually made. In saying that it shouldn't be a secret, everybody deserves privacy and many have had trouble with the law, but I think Tibor's situation is a little different.

[JANER]

Sorry, but you never walk out of the ring and EXPECT to win a fight. I dont care what happened in the ring as there are officials who judge whether a fighter can be disqualified. Us fans are just only spectators and hold no bearing over a decision. So just sit down in your chair and let the officials do their job. If Gurkans antics were soooooooooooo bad, why didnt the ref stop it? The official are there for a reason, respect their decsions or you will never love watching the sport, as there will ALWAYS be decsions we dont like.

Yes Tibor was winning,BUT the rule states "if you walk out, you forfeit."

its like 1 + 1 = 2. Or isnt it? Or am I insulting your intelligence now?

If you name Ozkan a thug, look what tibor is now!!!!

[tylerdurden]

Hedgecock's and the officials would have allowed Ozkan to pull a gun and shoot Tibor, they would have then declared Ozkan the winner by TKO, as Tibor couldn't continue.

Please Ozkan & Tarik didn't do themselves any favours that night & the officials, WHAT OFFICIALS why do you think Ron Parr kicked up a fuss for his boy Dawson????

PS Janer your support for Ozkan is awesome, but be seriously u must be trying to stir us up

[rebel]

Sorry Janer, I like Ozkan as well but I have to agree with everyone else on this. There's a reason why Ron Parr did not want Dave Hedgecock to referee his boy Dawsons fight against another Solak fighter in Price Amir. Hedgecock was NEVER going to DQ Ozkan, and if you recall it wasn't even him who stopped the fight with Ozkan and Tibor, it was Solak who stormed the ring and raised Ozkans hand and told everyone where to go. Hedgecock just went along with whatever Tarik said.
Janer, the rules also state who aren't allowed to attack your opponent in between rounds, or when the referee is calling for a break and has his back turned, you aren't allowed to headlock and you aren't allowed to wrestle. What would have been next? Let's say it was a night Ozkan should probably forget, because any time he brings it up in recent shows, it shows me that its sticking in the back of his mind and he is insecure about it in some way.

[rebel]

The fact Ozkan was not warned once for the many infractions he made tells you why Vermes was frustrated with the way the whole thing was stacked against him and to be honest I would have feared for whatever Ozkan had coming next as well. I cannot blame him for getting fed up and stepping out the ring.

[JANER]

There are too many good points against Ozkan. Ok guys, I accept defeat!!