8 Man in Adelaide...fallout

[Voice]

Risking stirring up the ant's nest again, I wanted to ask what the fallout from this event was? I just read Hammer's and Alan Wong's articles in IK Mag (nice one Alan, say it how you see it!) and wondering if Ricardo/Parr were still paid 2nd place, any embargos on Ron for future fights etc?

I can imagine this is an absolute nightmare potential for promoters (if it happened in Syd or Melb there'd probably be a riot). I can't understand why Ricardo didn't at least begin the round and feign a muscle tear or dislocated toe or something rather than the ignominious outcome as it occurred.

Can't wait for the Fox broadcast on June 17...won't the Hammer and Shiv go off <img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>

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A man's gotta know his limitations...

Edited by - Voice on 16 Jun 2005 10:15:31

[babyface]

as the other fighter was glad to win no doubt.... wouldnt the other fighter show that the training he has put in to get to the final was worth it?

[Mark 1]

Im really looking forward to watching this back tonight and getting a second view of it after being their live.

the talk after it screens will definitly be provocative.

[DazMon]

That was a weird decision, they shouldn't have even come to the ring and 'started' the fight. Imagine the other HWs out back who missed the opportunity, an opportunity given away. I agree with Voice, could have started and had the fighter call it off after an 'incident'...
Anyway, looking forward to seeing young Ricardo again sometime I guess. Do you think he'd be blackbanned?

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[DazMon]

That was a weird decision, they shouldn't have even come to the ring and 'started' the fight. Imagine the other HWs out back who missed the opportunity, an opportunity given away. I agree with Voice, could have started and had the fighter call it off after an 'incident'...
Anyway, looking forward to seeing young Ricardo again sometime I guess. Do you think he'd be blackbanned?

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[DazMon]

Stupid button.
And just who was that ref who did the 15 year old state title fight. Sorry, they looked really young...
First time I've seen that ref, hope he refines his style a little more.

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[Jimbo]

Can't remember the ref's name but both the boys are in their early 20's

jimbo

[harls]

What a disgrace!!! Van Der Bos and Slowinski both had fights in 3 weeks, yet Ron Parr spared his fighter. He said Paul was in a different league and his fighter wasn't ready yet. Well why put him in the 8-man in the first place and why not let Terangi have a go instead????????? Bull****. I sure hope Van der Bos didn't get the runner up prize money, with far more deserving guys like Roger and Terangi. Very unprofessional and un-sportsman like attitude to have. I wouldn't be surprised if Ron and his fighters were being overlooked by national promoters now, and for good reason too.<img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>

"One world, one Muay Thai"

[shaunw]

van de boss, it was a shame to see him quit. **** the fight in a few weaks worry about the one you are in now! just want to know wat was wrong with pete samson, he didnt seem like he wanted to be there, would have been good to see him fire. very contraversal!! **** me fight!!!!!!! they could of atleast got a hobbo out of the crowd to be a punching bag 4 sting!!!!! (taking nothing away from paul, he is a world class fighter. just deserves quality opposition) feel sorry for the paying crowd!



Edited by - shaunw on 18 Jun 2005 03:42:44

Edited by - shaunw on 18 Jun 2005 08:22:29

[SPADA]

Edited by - spada on 18 Jun 2005 12:20:03

[SPADA]

Ron " the bomb " Parr indeed........

I am suprised he made it out alive.If your fighter isn't up to the challenge....then do the decent thing and give another guy a go.
And what is with " He's only 20 years old and he has a fight in 3 weeks"....... well Ron,that didn't stop you from letting Dawson defend his world title on the gold coast,then make him back it up 1 week later on Judgement Day in an 8 man eliminator!!!!!!!

Not only that,why is he in Roger's corner and also Ricardos when they represent different gyms????Both of the guys were still in the running to win the tournament.
The same thing happened when on Judgement day..... Ron Parr was in Dawsons corner..... Dixons corner and the Riddlers.What happens in the case if all 3 advance..... does ron also throw the towel cause he doesn't want his boys beating each other up?????

A low blow for kickboxing in general and extremely dodgey......
maybe Ron should try on a pinstrip suit at some stage <img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>

anyway... thanx to Foxtel for at least showing a fill in fight instead of leaving it in the sh*t.


cheers Spada

[shaunw]

well said spada. i just watched it again b4 i tape over it, wat about andrew peck. all talk at the stare down then didnt want a piece of sting. with all due respect to the promoters, dont give up on the 8 man tourny idea. im sure we have 8 heavyweight (a class) fighters willing to do battle. mod thai then full thai. chuck in suttie, the cheif to name a few and this tourny will go off.

[Matt J]

and leave out andrew peck for gods sake the guy is a total stiff. loves himself and reckons he is sh*t hot, but he only has the first part right. how many times has he been knocked out now, 30?

[Merino]

if that was in melb, ron parr would have been ambushed!! a dissgrace indeed! how about the 1st fight with peter sampson? looked like a dive to me!<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> and what is the deal with that spitting on the face/head in the corner of paul slowinski from his trainer?? that is just ridiculous! and dont give me that thai tradition crap! that goes for the bloody music in the backround as well! for goodness sake, we are in australia not fricken bangkok! they are there to fight and put on a good show, not prance around like fags! the thai influence is just overused in my opinion! slowinski gets hit way,way too much! he is too stiff with no head movement what so ever! after seeing that display, im back with graham for australia's best current heavyweight.

[Bushi]

Fuska,

The "spitting" as you call it is all part of the tradition...

What's wrong with the tradition....

Would you go see a Solak production without firweorks & dancing girls (and guys I'm not comparing)...

Thai Boxing has it's rituals, this is part of it.

And as for being in Australia and not Bangkok, if the "tradition" of Thai boxing wasn't kept, you'd be watching kickboxing...there'd be no TRUE Muay Thai fighters in the country..

"Yours in Bushido"

[Matt J]

lol! i reckon tarik would have put ron parr head first into a toilet if he tried to pull a stunt like that on his show.

[Jimbo]

Fuska
A wise man once said
"It is better for one to remain silent and be thought of as a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt."

Stick to your mind stimulating debates about how Ozkan will smash Zambidis or vice versa next time they meet or what the outcome of the next A1 World Wombat Cup will be:)


jimbo

[Merino]

lol...some tradition! i wouldnt want no cornerman spitting in my face! i'd be like..."what the f%ck are you doing?!?!"...but its tradition!..."i dont give a f%ck, i dont want no spit coming out of no mans mouth you hear?!" that kinky stuff is 4 the bedroom not the fight game! i also noticed this on the sydney show with 1 of the serb fighters!
unf%ckingbeleivable!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

[Bushi]

Jimbo...

Well said,

Fuska, it's WATER....

"Yours in Bushido"

[Merino]

lol...yeah rite! not all of it! <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>

[Matt J]

fuska, maybe its because slowinski is being spat on his head that he didnt either take a dive or crumble as soon as he got touched on the chin like some of those other guys. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

[Matt J]

btw my aim now is to found a style where as part of the pre fight ritual the trainer sticks his ass in his fighters face and drops a liquid fart. ridiculous you say? well lets wait a few hundreed years then when future generations will hail it as a great tradition and still be performing it happily. The martial art of Goo Wee Kum is coming your way soon!

[shaunw]

mattj you are on sum good ****, i dont know how you come up with your ****. seriously though i did think there was a lot of dives taken(im not judging the fighters, it just looked that way).

[shaunw]

mattj did you mean POO WEE KUM?

[Matt J]

No its definitely Goo Wee Kum,think about it. but im also considering calling it Hoo Flung Poo.

[shaunw]

yep got it, GOO WEE KUM, coming to a pcyc near you.

[dutts72]

MattJ

Andrew Peck is an absolute gentleman and there is not a hint of arrogance about him whatsoever. Your the arrogant one here mate!!

Spada

Ron brought Ricardo out from Holland to Australia as his sponsor and he had been in Perth pre fight. Roger now lives in Perth after moving from Adelaide and trains out of the same gym as Danny Dawson which is affilaited with Ron Parr.

Fuksa

What a **** you must be!!! If you open your eyes you may have realized it wasnt spit it was water. Therevada Buddhism which dominates Thailand and therefore Muay Thai is at times very mystical. So after taking off the Mongkong either water or breath is blown through the hair or top of head to ward of negative forces.

Thai influence hey! So should Karate guys stop wearing Gi's and performing Kata's? In your small minded typical Australian attitude then yes and the music well I love it and fighting live in Thailand with live music is an experience you will never no. The Wai Khru and Ram Muay is what your prancing statement I guess refers to well in most people eyes this is a beautiful and very soft side to a very hard Martial Art and Sport.

As ZDKBUSHIDO said its Muay Thai not Kickboxing so look outside the square box you must excist in, perhaps opena book or two and expand your mind.

Lastlty I have known Ron for a long time and was trained with him for several fights one in which he took me places I didnt think was possible at the time. Im not sticking up for his desicion and didnt agree with it at all but he is a smart buisness man and obviously this lead him to his desicion.

Most definately Terangi should have gone through, I was in his corner and he was fine and was ready to go and would have put up a good fight against Paul.

"Muay Thai Never Dies"
"Life in Every Breath"
Ome Mane Padme

[Alan Wong]

Mr FUSKA, you are a funny guy. There is a solution to all your disgust of the Thai Tradition......DON'T GET INVOLVE in thai boxing if you hate it so much. Sorry to disgust you but if you look at me carefully, I have yellow skin and slanty eyes. And I am Buddhist, will you lock me up for trying to practice my beliefs. If you hear any of my fighters on Foxtel please turn away for a minute or so until the fight starts because I will continue to do what I have been taught by my trainers. I do not take offence in what you said because as a Buddhist I tend to be very tolerant of other people's beliefs. I know I cannot please everyone but I think I do have a right to practice my beliefs as you have a right to voice your opinions no matter how offensive it may be.

[MadMatt]

It is quite typical of this forum that someone always manages to reduced the topic to total bull****. The traditions performed in MT and most other MA are performed out of respect for the original masters (who were kind enough to teach foreigners) and also to preserve the cultural heritage of that art. If you feel that it is strange or even ridiculous, then of course you are welcome not to practice the art. Just keep in mind that fighting is as much about building the mind and spirit as it is about the body and that is where these rituals have real significance because MT fighters are part of a fighting tradition that has been continuing for thousands of years. Every warrior that steps into the MT ring becomes a part of that heritage.

As for the show, I feel it was a big step back for MT, an absolute disgrace, regardless of the reasons. Is it too harsh to say I hope 'The Boss' gets punished in his next bout? I'm sure it wasn't his decision but he should dump his trainer and fight for someone with more integrity.

I feel sorry for the promoters, the fans and the fighters that were all duped into thinking MT was above and beyond this type of crap.

"Let's get it on!!!"

[Voice]

Before commenting on aspects of tradition, I would simply advise to take a look at many of our fighters. I am constantly surprised how polite and obliging most of them are and certainly I have found it a pleasure to call many friends. In no small part this is due to the values taught to these guys (and girls) by their trainers who are often mentors.
Channeling positive energy into the ring and not negative energy into unlawful activity is the sign of a strong mind, good values and discipline. If people are not baffled how so many of our top kickboxers can be absolute wrecking machines in the ring and perfect gentlemen outside of it, then I'd suggest that some of the 'ridiculous' tradition and ritual that is taught by master trainers has actually succeeded in its intent.

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[Matt J]

no dutts, pecks a bit of a moron. would you like me to go into details about "absolute gentleman with no hint of arrogance?"





Edited by - Matt J on 19 Jun 2005 16:07:17

[Bushi]

Dutts & Alan Wong, WELL SAID..

I think that'll be the last time FUSKA has ANYTHING to say about MT Traditions....Buddhism etc.

Enought Said, he's been told..<img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>

"Yours in Bushido"

Edited by - zdkbushido on 19 Jun 2005 11:11:12

[Rav]

Nicely said Alan, Dutts and Jim!

[Merino]

lol...your got to be kidding! but i will stop on this issue, because its not hygenic!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

[Bushi]

Either is getting covered in your opponents BLOOD, THEIR sweat, drinking out of THEIR water bottle after the fight when RESPECTING your opponent in THEIR corner, but it's done all the time....

Chess might be a better spectator sport Fuska..<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

"Yours in Bushido"

[Alan Wong]

Thank You ZDK. You said what I wanted to say but I thought it will be useless to respond

[Lucy Tui]

<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle>All I can say about the show is I felt sorry for Etham he put alot of work into that show and it was a very bad outcome.
He is a great person and a excellent promoter. ..
I was shocked at the first few KO's then fighters with headgear came out and thought it couldnt get worse than that .....then the final in the 8 man fight.
NO GO, in all the years been in this sport never seen anything like it ever....PROMOTERS NIGHTMARE......Keep your chin Etham
you are still the man in ADELAIDE....
All the best for your future shows
Regards
Lucy Tui:)

[Lucy Tui]

Sorry it was meant to be Keep your chin up...
Regards
Lucy Tui

[Merino]

what happens in the middle of the ring is 1 thing...you got no choice! but some1 purposely spitting a washload of water and saliva on you in the corner is another! anyway, if the fighter dosnt mind it, well its his choice! if it was me...no thanks! i just think its a weird custom or tradition or whatever you call it! btw, i'll beat your ass at chess any day!

[Bushi]

Fuska, I have NO doubt you will beat my ass in Chess, but you'll have a battle against my 11yo....<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> and if you beat him he gets ANGRY, all 5'3 and 60 kg's of him....<img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

He can throw a good kick....lol

"Yours in Bushido"

[Merino]

lol...bring it on little fella! <img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

[dutts72]

Hey Fuksa

Have you ever swapped saliva a girl???:)

"Muay Thai Never Dies"
"Life in Every Breath"
Ome Mane Padme

[Bushi]

Yeah, but "that's different" Dutts....<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>, Fuska doesn't like boy germs....

"Yours in Bushido"

[Matt J]

OK OK I have to butt in here! How do you even compare kissing a girl to getting a bloke spitting on your head!<img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle>
or to put it another way, who would you rather have drool on you?<img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

[Bushi]

MattJ...

You're a boxing fan, you appear well informed, butt have you ever been punched around the ring....<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

I suppose it depends on which side of the fence you sit, I'm FIRMLY in 1 camp (no pun intended), yeah unfortunately married with 2 kids....lol.....and there IS no comparison, but tradition & ritual is just that. But it also depends on the girl too....in some cases it might be better to have water "spat on you" as Fuska says than tongue tango with some of the fairer sex....

Poor Fuska just isn't open minded.....



"Yours in Bushido"

[Matt J]

I've been punched around one kind of ring,the square one,and think its much more wholesome than being punched around the other ring. lol. i'm a little worried about you though zdk! to quote from you :

"You're a boxing fan, you appear well informed, butt have you ever been punched around the ring...."

nice little joke, but what's with the extra "t" at the end of "but". you have butts on the brain there do ya? huh? well do ya? what rings do you get punched around in?
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[Merino]

lol...dont get me wrong there fellas, im into the kinky rick james sexual acts every now and again, but the booty has to be damn fine 4 it to happen! <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle> and your damn right...no males! sorry dutts72 & sorry alan wong! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

[Bushi]

<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Matty,

go back to YOUR post b4 my "joke"...I believe YOU where the 1 that started the BUTT jokes...

LMAO mate....

"Yours in Bushido"

[SPADA]

Dutts......

Peck brings new meaning to the word "journeyman".
He has never lived up to the hype after he won the K1 N.Z.
His much talked about hard leg kicks never seem to bother his opponents.

He should not be put on these type of cards when he has been putting on displays like he did in Adelaide for the last 4 years.

there has to be better heavyweights then what we were shown in Adelaide.

When are guys like Shiebert and Favuzzi going to get a run against
this type of field?????

cheers Spada