Australia's Best Heavyweight [Archive] - International Kickboxer Forum

Voice

12-06-2005, 03:33 PM

not a new topic but definitely recent form may change things. In my mind, only two of note...Sting and Chief.

From recent development and watching ANZACS II, I believe Sting is now our premier heavyweight under K1 and Thai rules. Chief has just been a bit too idle and *not* shown improvement after that great display in the K1 GP.

Sting is really coming along well as a tough heavyweight...proving he has an iron jaw and great power. Not sure about his endurance yet, but at 3 x 3 this can be improved.

Big Chris is an outsider, but I feel more a tough journeyman who always puts on a spectacle.

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Edited by - Voice on 12 Jun 2005 19:20:37

humble

12-06-2005, 04:04 PM

without sounding like a nuthugger id say I agree with you voice. Did you mean graham is "NOT" showing improvement instead of "NOW"? If so I agree also.

There were also rumors though, that Sting might be leaving Alan, If that is true, THEN STING, IF YOU READ THIS, DONT! I know im not in your situation but your trainer has gotten you this far and can eventually get you further. Dont be haste, were all supporting you in what you have achieved thus far and staying loyal to alan will only improve you mate.

If the rulers knew how much peace a poor man had, they would fight them with swords to obtain it. - Imam Al Haddad

Merino

12-06-2005, 05:18 PM

i personally beleive, slowinski should go abroad(japan) and train if he wants to further his career.its not going to happen here.all these years you have these big boys fight their heart out(4 peanuts)just to make it one day to a japanese k1 show and earn a decent purse.most of them will never b on a k1 show in japan,and that will b a real heartbreaker 4 them!u have to go there,they wont come 2 u!! and let me add by saying that being a good fighter is not enough to get u 2 japan!sometimes u dont even have 2 b good!!we have seen this in the past on some k1 japan shows.but u do need to have something going 4 u,and u must sell it to the best of your ability.nothing against alan,he has done wonders 4 paul up until now.k1 r not that keen on the chief and i think his days of going 2 japan r over unless he qualifies through the oceania tournament.slowinski is more exciting to watch than peter,and will need 2 make the most of his opportunity,because in most cases u only get 1 chance in japan 2 impress!

Voice

12-06-2005, 08:22 PM

humble, exactly, note the correction to my post.
I agree with both you guys...esp Sting needing to go abroad, as much as i love watching him here.

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Alan Wong

13-06-2005, 01:27 AM

Hi guys....I think what all of you are saying is correct. As for Paul leaving me it is news to me but I do know there are people out there in his ears telling him what wonders they can do for him and so on. Personally I have no ability in terms of finance to beat this guys but what I do have is loyalty....from me to Paul and from Paul to me. Of all the fighters I had trained Paul is the most loyal. He is like my own blood. There will always be people out there that will take all your hard work and claim it as theirs.

Paul has a manager in Ray Matsumara. Ray will and can do lots for Paul and that includes getting Paul to Japan to train and fight. Paul and I have an understanding that I will always be involve in his fights even if he trains overseas (Japan). It will be a sad day for me if Paul does leave me for good but I am confident that I will always be involve in some ways with Paul

Thanks guys

harls

13-06-2005, 03:29 AM

I think "The Sting" for best OZ heavyweight.

Fuska & Voice, Why would Paul want to leave Alan, when Alan seems to be doing a great job with Paul anyway? Why do you think he needs to go abroad?

I think it's great that Paul is loyal to Alan, it's a pity that there are many fighters out there that are just gym whores..

"One world, one Muay Thai"

humble

13-06-2005, 08:09 PM

thanks for clarifying that Alan and it is really nice to hear that bond exists between you two.

If ray is his promototer then it should be in his best interests to keep fighter-trainer together and include you in pauls overseas conquest. im sure he'd hate for someone to take the carnage from him so I think he is a smart enough person to realise you cant take years of development between you and him and then expect the same from another trainer and him. Look at what happened to tyson.

Theres an old metaphor in Arabic when one seeks the guidance of a teacher: What happens to a person who digs for water and gets fed up when he doesnt find any and then moves to another spot and the same thing happens again and again? Nothing! Thier hands get dirty and they end up probably dying of thirst, rather than continuing to dig in one spot and eventually coming to that water, drinking from it and letting others drink.
Likewise with any kind of teacher, if you shift around too much, you will never reap the rewards the same way as if you had stayed put. If Alan was a bad trainer and paul wasnt getting anywhere then fine but paul has really stepped up and shown how much he still possesses. Soon, he isnt going to just find water, he will burst open a stream.

Alan, he doesnt know me and I dont know him, but I'd love to see an Aussie give it to everyone at K1, I think paul can do that.

good luck.

If the rulers knew how much peace a poor man had, they would fight them with swords to obtain it. - Imam Al Haddad

Alan Wong

14-06-2005, 01:16 AM

Humble, Thanks for your post. It is great to see people supporting Paul the way you are. Like you I think Paul will be the one to make it in Japan. If you know Paul then you will see that he also believes that he will make it. I had a conversation with his weights trainer (Nick Jones) and Nick's comment was, "Paul is one person that believes in himself so much that he doesn't need to be told that he needs to train to succeed, he just do it because he knows" Paul is driven by his believe and is always positive although he is sometimes impatient. Thanks for supporting him

One step at a time....that has always been my motto and I believe in that fully. Paul's time will come and training in Japan does not necessary help him although it can be a plus. If he keeps winning outside of Japan then the Japanese have no choice but give him the opportunity. Learn to walk before you run.....Good things comes to people with patience.

Mungkorn

14-06-2005, 01:32 AM

Alan has been like a father to Paul, I know him personally and there is no way that he would do anything without Alans concent, Alan has sent Paul to go and train in Thailand on more than one occassion, Japan would just be another part of his trainig scedule.

One World One MuayThai

Voice

14-06-2005, 11:58 AM

Harls,
I did not say he needs to leave Alan at all...I merely said he needs to fight o/s, and that is pretty obvious i think. Without experience in Japan and Europe like other world class fighters he will not gain the experience level needed to give the K-1 GP a shake.

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Sicarii

14-06-2005, 01:57 PM

He has already fought in Europe, Korea, Japan, Thailand and New Zealand. I would say Voice that he already fights internationally wouldn't you?

His next fight after Xplosion will be K-1 Oceania in NZ in July and after that look out for him on the next Titans show in Japan in August, I think his performance there will be of great importance in impressing Japan.

I fully support Sting and I am behind him 100% in becoming the King of Kings, K-1 World GP winner. I know he can do it and I will be so happy to see that day. Like Alan says patience is the key, Paul is still young and has not yet reached his full potential, though the way he is going it seems like there is no limit!

As for here is Aus, there is only the Chief to consider besides Paul. Paul will come out on top when the day comes for them to fight again (maybe K-1 Oceania), and he knows he will.

Merino

14-06-2005, 02:10 PM

Lol...calm down there son.we r talking about australia's best only here.slowinski is still way off in regards to winning a grand prix final!!he is a walk up fighter without much head movement, so he does get hit! as far as LOYALTY is concerned, it dosnt take much for some1 to bail if it means furthering their career.it has and will always happen in sports! where did he fight in japan? was it k1?

Voice

14-06-2005, 02:47 PM

i think Sicarii might be a 'she' there Fuska, and I am thinking we might meet her at Xplosion in a couple weeks if lucky!!<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

My point was that Paul needs to make a decent buck while he is young and can back up for fights quickly. He is still a rising star and the bigger money is o/s. Fighting for $5k here and there is peanuts compared to the 50-100k+ that K-1 fighters regularly pull in.

So let's see him fighting the so-called big K-1 names in Japan etc as i am sure he will do us proud and make some very good money in the process.

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Merino

14-06-2005, 02:54 PM

<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>I do beg ur pardon youg lady! I had no idea. XX now back in the kitchen where u belong!!<img src=icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle>

Voice

14-06-2005, 03:06 PM

I think you might be in for another surprise also Fuska...

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Edited by - Voice on 14 Jun 2005 14:06:56

Merino

14-06-2005, 03:29 PM

lol...show me the money!<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

mick

14-06-2005, 04:15 PM

hi guy's,
i have pleasure of training and being a good friend of Pauls, he spends a lot of time in thailand training but when ever we have a conversation about how it all started and were he is going he has told me that Alan wong has been like a father to him. he started training paul at a young age and i am sure that he has alot of respect for him. i have only met Alan Once, but when i did paul couldn't wait to introduce us, you can see the respect has for him.
As for paul i have backed him eversince i met him. i knew he would make it to the top, and as far as iam concirned he is there.
Like Alan said. people are like sharks and i am sure that a lot of money has or will be waved in front of Paul. how can Alan compete with that. But just remember who took paul from the skinny little kid to the Machine he is with today? ALAN WONG. A smart Manager would not break a good thing.
this is just my opinion.

Voice

14-06-2005, 04:21 PM

Fair point Mick, I'd like to see Alan taking Paul o/s for fights...I agree silly to break the successful partnership but really he does need to step up to the bigger named opponents for the bigger paycheque...and he deserves it. No reason Alan can't organise all this in league with other promoters.

btw, my apologies...Siebert definitely in the top 5 heavyweights in Oz! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

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dutts72

14-06-2005, 04:45 PM

Fuksa

Paul has fought in Japan a few times. The last was I think on a Titans show V Ignashov whom he came very close to beating an even people such as Aerts said he should have got it.

The Team behind Paul is awesome! Allan, Steve and Nick can take him all the way and theres no reason to suggest otherwise. Look at Hoost who has been with Johan Voss since day one or Ramon Dekker with Cors Hemmer.

"Muay Thai Never Dies"
"Life in Every Breath"
Ome Mane Padme

Alan Wong

14-06-2005, 04:48 PM

Fuska you started this and maybe you have been asked by one of those sharks to set this up. Anyway, you do have a point, LOYALTY!!!! Its a big word and bigger to carry. I don't know what Paul thinks and i don't control his destiny. If he is to leave then he does it with his conscience and well being. I am his trainer and I will always do all I can to help him succeed. So far i have done well I believe. So if he goes then my bad luck and my lack of judgement.

However not everyone thinks like you. Maybe LOYALTY to some people dictates their life. I know mine does. You have to understand how paul started and why he stuck with me. On more than one occassion, I had told him to piss off but he still stayed. WHY???? Bad question to ask you because you wouldn't know the answer.

Sure he still gets hit and he has a long way to go. But he wants to get there and he believe that he can and will.

Where did he fight in Japan??? Tokyo and Fukouka. No its not K1, but Titans and Shootboxing. And yes the japanese knows about Paul and they are watching him closely. Time will tell.

Sicarii

14-06-2005, 04:53 PM

What's your surprise Voice? I am keen to know. And yes I certainly will be at Xplosion. I have no doubt you will see me there! Maybe I will come to the casino beforehand as well.

Fuska - He fought in Titans 1st last year against Alexey Ignashov.

And as for the GP, I am just stating what other people are thinking when they say he will make it to the top - "the one to make it in Japan" as Alan said.

Well making it in Japan is winning the GP. That's Paul's aim, all I say is I believe he can, he has the determination, the skill and the dedication and that's half the battle won.

Voice

14-06-2005, 05:05 PM

yeah, I don't think fuska is really suggesting he leave, so the loyalty point is moot, my like my point that he might travel a bit more...I'd just love to see him get stuck into some more of those K-1 'big shots'. Anyone following my posts in the past will concur i have claimed Sting above Chief for a long time (and that's no disrespect to Chief), and along with Carnage are probably the 2 biggest improvers over the past 2 yrs.

I hope Alan can take him to the top of K-1 and as he says lots more work to do (that point about better defence is valid point as he looked a little rocked/tired from Sefo's head shots in ANZACS)...Sting definitely my fav heavyweight to watch over here and hopefully the ever 'evolving' K-1 rules will allow a bit more grappling in which case he will be a real shot at the K-1 GP.

Sicarii, if I mentioned that then where would be the surprise for fuska? I will definitely join you for a drink at casino tho...I will even bring young Sniper for a ginger beer as well!

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sniper

14-06-2005, 05:07 PM

oh my goodness sicarii you have no idea what you are getting yorself into hehehe yes we will all be at the casino prior to the event so should be fun.

Merino

14-06-2005, 05:08 PM

Allan,if he stays with you it will definately say something about his character.he would have my respect as a person if he decided to stay with you by showing such loyalty.btw, im no shark! lol.end of the day the kid needs and wants to get paid!any1 just doing it 4 the luv of the game is just plain stupid! good luck with it all.

Rav

14-06-2005, 06:57 PM

I have seen Paul's progress ever since his first fight in Adelaide. He has improved with every fight and have learnt from mistakes and is getting stronger and stronger. Alan is the person who taught him how to kick, punch, elbow and knee and also on how to live life. Alan and Paul have a very good bond. I hope all goes well for both of them as they make one awesome team!

coach

16-06-2005, 09:34 PM

with all your hype about paul and top contenders i cant believe you all forgot to mention big chris godzilla ? and if i had to put money on a fight between sting & godzilla it wouldnt go on sting.

been around

Bushi

16-06-2005, 09:54 PM

Well done Coach...<img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

This happened Dec 18 2004 on the Gold Coast and it was a no contest.

Sting is in a different league. Sting won by UPD..

No disrespect to Chris, ALWAYS gives 110%, but they're just miles apart.

"Yours in Bushido"

bigrocket

16-06-2005, 09:55 PM

Coach

Did'nt you see there last fight!!!!

You are off your head pal.

bigrocket

Bushi

16-06-2005, 09:57 PM

Hey Bigrocket, I thought I was being subtle enough.....<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> to a first time poster.....you just SMACKED him...LMAO

Don't be turned off Coach, it's all about comments, opinions and fun...<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

"Yours in Bushido"

Jimbo

16-06-2005, 10:04 PM

Coach
they've already fought twice with a similar outcome, while i like watching Big Chris fight and he seems like a top bloke i don't think they really need a third fight at the moment because the outcome will be the same, Slowinski needs bigger challenges at this point in his career not more local cannon fodder, again no disrespect to Chris and i'm not saying that he won't get there but at the moment they are in different leagues

jimbo

bigrocket

16-06-2005, 10:10 PM

Yeh i suppose your right ZDK,

Coach, welcome to the forum :)

I'm a fan of big Chris as well,But he should stop talking on the mic after every fight(sounds like a tool).

bigrocket

Bushi

16-06-2005, 10:17 PM

Another classic bigrocket....<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

And Jimbo, no disrespect to the cannon fodder either...LMAO...

Reality is Sting has proved he's undoubtedly improved in leaps and bounds to be the most promising heavywieght in Oceania...

Good luck to him and Alan for the future..

"Yours in Bushido"

Matt J

16-06-2005, 11:06 PM

stings good but i'm still going with graham as oz's no.1 heavyweight.

Bushi

17-06-2005, 12:06 AM

Stick to your boxing forum MattJ....<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

If Sting is to continue in Oz, he needs to match the Chief, then move on to Japan etc..

Sting for me, more active and STILL learning and getting better..

"Yours in Bushido"

dutts72

17-06-2005, 08:17 AM

Paul definately has continually improved at a rapid rate after his shock loss to O'Hello and though Graham won there 1st encounter my money this time would be on Paul. His style is aggressive his power in his legs is unmatched in the Oceania region and his work rate is huge. The big thing in his favour is he is still very young and unlike Graham he his an exciting fighter to watch.

Paul and Chris Chirs have fought twice the 1st time was in Adelaide which Chris took on very short notice. The fight went 5 rounds with Chris controlling the early rounds with his akward style but Pauls superior fitness enabled him to punish Chris over the last 2.5 rounds. The fight ended in a draw which was fair enough as it was a titanic fight.

The second fight was on the Gold Coast I think in December last year under K1 and Paul really served it up to Chris this time over 3 rounds and a lesser man would have fallen.

Note: This fight is being replayed this friday on Fox sports.

"Muay Thai Never Dies"
"Life in Every Breath"
Ome Mane Padme

Voice

17-06-2005, 10:50 AM

Perhaps a question for Alan Wong, and a point you mention Dutts...Sting's fitness.
He looked out on his feet against Sefo in that last round. Was that because he was taking a few knocks (was he hurt in that fight) or was his fitness a little down?

Serious question, I thought he didn't look as fit as he might be, any comments?

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imported_n/a

17-06-2005, 11:19 AM

I agree with MattJ- the chief is the man at the moment. You can talk about promise, etc,etc however to be the man you have to beat the man and last I looked that was Peter Graham.

Matt J

17-06-2005, 01:24 PM

i dont surf boxing forums zdk, only like annoying you guys.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

graham is still the no.1 guy, stings better activity lately isnt anough alone for him to overtake graham.

bigrocket

17-06-2005, 01:37 PM

Voice

I think the reason Paul looked a little buggered was because he threw a MILLION punches and kicks(maybe not that many), for a heavyweight to throw that many combo's theres nothing wrong with his fitness.

bigrocket

dutts72

17-06-2005, 03:12 PM

The Stings fitness is huge and as is his work rate, which is the reason why he was buggered during the 3rd round of the Sefo fight. He was doing bag work on Sefo for 3 rounds, Kick, Knee punch over and over. Not many heavyweights in the world can work like that.

"Muay Thai Never Dies"
"Life in Every Breath"
Ome Mane Padme

Voice

17-06-2005, 03:24 PM

Yeah, I understand his work rate is huge but I am wondering if maybe he should be picking his shots a little more wisely as a decent bang by Sefo could really have knocked him out in the final 30secs. His guard was around his waist and it was a real Rocky vs Apollo Creed ending...great for the fans but maybe not in his best interests.

Fitness and throwing millions of techniques is great but if you leave yourself open in the latter stages like Paul did in that fight, he risks getting hurt and ko'd, especially as he steps up in class.

Just my observations...

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SPADA

17-06-2005, 05:09 PM

I think both are going well at the moment.

If anything,they both need to work on their finishing power.We all know that the sting has a lethal high left round kick,but as voice has said,maybe he needs to pick his power shots better towards the end,concidering he should have better fitness than most of the heavies.
The chief also has trouble finishing a fight with a KO.I think he should leave his "rolling thunder" out for awhile and bring in better knee strikes.The chief is very flexible and has problary the best array of kicks to choose from.

Solution:-

Sting vs Chief on the gold coast at the end of the year.
Super fight K1 rules.

would like to see it,but not in an 8 man.These 2 need to be fresh to unleash on each other.

cheers Spada

Edited by - spada on 17 Jun 2005 16:28:05

babyface

17-06-2005, 05:14 PM

SPADA..great solution

Sting vs Chief on the gold coast at the end of the year.
Super fight K1 rules.

Bushi

17-06-2005, 05:37 PM

What's wrong with having it in Melbourne.....you Qlders can get on the plane and come down here for a change....

Melbourne IS the world most liveable city....<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

"Yours in Bushido"

SPADA

17-06-2005, 05:45 PM

ZDKbushido........

Fair enough....but do you have the sunshine and bikini's only 500 metres from the venue?????<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

cheers Spada

Voice

17-06-2005, 05:47 PM

mmm, Coburg or Broadbeach???? <img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Alan Wong

17-06-2005, 06:00 PM

Everyone is wondering about Sting's fitness.....Let me tell you that Paul was indeed tired at the end of the fight against Sefo and as Dutts said, he threw a lot of punches and kicks throughout the fight while Sefo only threw the occassionally flurry. Keeping his hands low is never an option and I have always said to Paul that i know he can take a knock but against heavies that can throw bombs can be dangerous. Paul fights like that all the time....maybe he wants to suck his opponent in for a bit of a surprise?????

Anyway like I said Paul has a lot to learn and the only way he can learn is to fight more of these big guys.

In my opinion, Paul will be amongst the fittest heavyweight around. He does a hell of a lot of rounds at each training session. Give you an idea how fit Paul is....15.6 in the shuttle run. That should give you an idea maybe.