View Full Version : Ozkan wins Adam Watt
delusion
12-10-2002, 12:39 AM
gurkan ozkan has won adam watt on a points decision
any knock downs, what were the final scores, how did the fight go?
Congratulations Gurkan on an excellent win, I haven't seen the fight yet but to beat the reigning K-1 oceania champ is an amazing accomplishment.
JANER
12-10-2002, 09:26 AM
More info please!!
paul c
12-10-2002, 10:08 AM
It was a friggen war.
I think Gurkan easily outpointed Adam.
By that I mean clearly outpointed, and not that it was easy.
Both guys were throwing wicked leather, and some of Adams kicks looked bloody deadly.
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Keep checking back and refreshing this page.
Janer, Remy, you guys would have loved to have been there. The Turkish fans were singing throughout the entire fight. It was an absolutely incredible atmosphere. Almost like being at a night soccer game.
Turkish people make great spectators, they really get behind their kickboxers. Good stuff.
paul c
12-10-2002, 10:38 AM
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Sydney's beautiful Town Hall.
paul c
12-10-2002, 10:43 AM
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Auckland Aumitagi (Clay's younger brother right) Vs Fia Tuamafai.
It's great to see Auckland back in the Oceania circut. Last I spoke to him which was at Lucy's Manly Leagues KB4, he mentioned maybe having a crack at Boxing. So I'm glad to see we haven't lost him to the big devil.
paul c
12-10-2002, 10:48 AM
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allanf
12-10-2002, 11:19 AM
excellent news, well done Gurkan Ozkan!!!! what a true warrior
Awesome effort Gurkan. I have to say that Adam Watt is one of the most underrated fighters ever associated with Australian Kickboxing. He has achieved some awesome feets through out his career. I am confused as to how the NSW government alowed such a contest considering the many restrictions they have made on the sport in the past.
Again, congratulations to Gurkan. Great job, but where to from here?
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Pete M
12-10-2002, 12:33 PM
Come on guys you have to be kidding me me
to think gurkan easily out scored adam
is an insult. I was there, yes Gurkan did put his head down and just let fly with the leather. But nothing he threw worried Adam.
Every time gurkan would tag Adam, Watt would laugh. I think Gurkan only threw about 3 leg kicks in the whole fight. Between rounds Watt was standing in his corner with one hand on his hips the other on the top rope, while Gurkan was sitting there breathing heavily. When the result was read out, you could see even Gurkan was extremly surprised be the result. Even he thought he had lost
But any way other than that it was a great night, but poor Frank Zamitt was knocked out in 43 seconds of the first round and had to be stretched out the ring. But anyway it was a good night and thankyou to Mr Solak for putting an event on in sydney.
Three leg kicks, wasn't it above waist kicks only
Paul, i'm jealous I missed out, I guess I'll just have to wait to see it on fox, hopefully. Any pics of the Gurkan fight?
Pete M
12-10-2002, 01:38 PM
Because Adam had a large height
advantage, Gurkan had trouble
getting his kicks up on Watt so the
kicks he did throw landed on Adams upper thigh
paul c
12-10-2002, 01:46 PM
We'll have to watch the replay on Fox I guess and see just how close it was.
I thought Ozkan landed a lot more punches to both head and body.
Adam landed more kicks. And they hurt. I thought Ozkan did a pretty remarkable job in not showing just how much. One of Watts mid kicks was so bloody brutal, that I'm surprised it didn't break a couple of ribs. It was so bloody loud.
Prior to the announcement being made, I was thinking to myself if they score punches and kicks equally....It's Ozkans.
But sometimes it's hard to understand judges.
Smiling at your opponent?
Surely that doesn't meen much Pete.
how many times have we seen a fighter all cross-eyed and smiling when they get tagged. It's hard to tell whether it's for real or not, but the fact that they find it so necessary to smile is kind of worth thinking about.
I thought it was a great fight. I like Watt more and more as a fighter, the more I see him fight. I think he has a lot of class and wish he well in the Oceania next feb.
JANER
12-10-2002, 02:06 PM
hey paul, your one lucky man to be at every SOlak event!!!
How many rounds was the fight? and the scorecards if you can.
paul c
12-10-2002, 03:31 PM
I mostly just go to the Melbourne shows Janer. Occasionally to the Sydney ones if the main event is a big fight. I've never been to any Queensland shows unfortunately, though I'd love to go.
Damn, Parr Vs Behic should be awesome. I was tempted to fly up and see it, but ended up getting a good job on the same day shooting a boxing show with Sam Soliman as the main event in Melbourne.
Pic:Ozkan Vs Watt
Excuse the quality of some of these. I just bought a second digital camera that I'm still not quite used to.
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paul c
12-10-2002, 03:46 PM
Hey, these long pants are pretty cool.
Serious question guys,
this is the first time I've seen this in a pro fight,
are these worn because the rules are Full Contact?
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I love the long pants too. I think that they were used mainly in the early stages of Australian Kickboxing (above waiste days) while we were still being introduced to the full Thai culture.
I have suspected fighters in the past of hiding padding under long pants but that is just a theory. Well, Im sure the ref or fight official would pick something like that up if it was not allowed.
I remember Sam Soliman wore long pants when he fought a Thai opponent at the Crown. Apparantly to accentuate the difference in fight styles and cultures.
Not really a big issue, but the long pants do look good and dont know why we dont see more of them.
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paul c
12-10-2002, 07:08 PM
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Pete M
12-10-2002, 07:50 PM
Paul C
I'm not knocking Gurkan at all
it took all lots guts to step into the ring
with an opponent who is much heavier.
But for the judges to give the fight so unanimously
to Gurkan was abit unfair on Adam. You could see on his face that he honestly thought that he had won and he said so in his post fight speech to everyone. the reason i said that watt was laughing wsas becuase he is used to fight guys like Mark hunt, the big guys with big power. I honestly don't belive that gurkans punches really effected Adam that much if at all. But i'm not here to argue with any one, everyone has there thoughts and views on the matter. i'm just telling you what i thought and saw. Besides all that it was great night, great fights and i hope we Sydney siders get to see more shows.
Glenn
12-10-2002, 09:14 PM
Pants = FC rules. Strange to see these guys in them actually!.
Does anyone know if they had an 8 kick minimum per round? I can't imagine Ozkan throwing too many waist high kicks.
Pretty stupid rules with the minimum kicks per round. I didn't think that those rules existed. I don't understand the logic of minimum kicks per round, I know the reason the used to enforce ot was so it wouldn't become a boxing match, but I don't agree with that logic. I wouldn't think those rules would have been used in the Gurkan Watt fight.
JANER
13-10-2002, 03:38 PM
Pete M, firstly welcome to Sportz Blitz!
I do and the people who know about kickboxing will laugh and disagree about Gurkan Ozkan NOT having power. He doesnt fight regularily in sydney so I could understand that you have little knowledge about him. Ozkan had knocked out 30 opponents in the first round! He has knocked out two heavyweights including Paul Robinson. OZkan has been around for 10 years so he earns all the respect!
As for Watt smiling, its an arrogance thing. Adam Watt is the bigger and heavier fighter who got hit plum with Ozkan's shots, and how do you think he felt??
Pete M
13-10-2002, 07:18 PM
Remmy
where you there on the night?
did you see the fight with your own eyes?
I'm not doubting Gurkans power at all,
all i'm saying is that Gurkan fights his best at 78kg
Adam fights at 100kg. Adam fights on the K1 heavy weight arena.
with the big boys that throw big shots.
Ok he knocked out paul robinson but is he in Adams class?
If Gurkan was so powerful and Adam got hit so 'plum' why did he go down, why wasn't there any 8 counts applied?. I do have respect for Gurkan, i mean the blokes a 5 time champion of the world, but for anyone to say that gurkan easily out pointed Adam. Is being extremly
disrespectful to Adam. when the fight was nothing like that
John K
14-10-2002, 01:22 AM
About this supposed stat of Gurkan's: 30 K.O's in the first round. This is a bull**** stat that is miles from the truth, its meant to sound impressive and attract non-fans. I dont want anyone to argue it with me because I've seen the vast majority of Gurkans fights and would struggle to count 10 first round K.O's.
Anyway good on him for winning this fight. With full contact rules it was winnable for him and he got the decision. But I'm confused about Pete M's posts a bit. Pete M are you saying it was a rip off? Does Watt feel ripped off? I think the replay will help people make up there mind.
paul c
14-10-2002, 04:02 AM
Pete,
my comment about Ozkan easily outpointing Adam on the night was not meant to sound disrespectful to Adam. Had I seen Adam win by a margin, I would have said so. I like Adam very much and think he's one of the best role models the sport has.
It's just that I felt Ozkan landed many more shots and have called it that way. But, this may sound ridiculous...sometimes when peering through a camera you do miss a lot. Just from the time it takes for the mirror to return is enough to miss a counter.
I'll watch the replay and if I'm wrong I'll appologize.
Does anyone who was there remember the judges scores?
I sort of remember them being not so close, but I may have imagined that. My short term memory is pathetic.
Lucy Tui
14-10-2002, 10:09 AM
All 3 Judges gave it to Gurkan unaminous..one judge gave every round to Gurkan unbelievable,....
I was informed that Gurkan connected more with punches so he scored more..and when Adam kicked he missed Gurkan more than he hit him with kicks and Gurkan connected more with punches...
I thought Adam just did enough to win...not taking anything away from Gurkan he threw alot leather thats for sure seemed to be taking the fight up to Adam, looking forward to seeing the replay...
Thats the fight game..
Regards
Lucy Tui
paul c
14-10-2002, 10:41 AM
When you guys watch the replay, pay attention to how many times Ozkan ducked under Adam's high kicks. He did pretty well at avoiding quite a few of them.
paul c
14-10-2002, 04:12 PM
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Stanley Nandex right Vs Frank Zammit.
Stanley sounds like a realy dangerous fighter. Seems to have incredible power.
paul c
14-10-2002, 04:13 PM
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paul c
14-10-2002, 04:14 PM
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paul c
14-10-2002, 04:57 PM
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paul c
14-10-2002, 04:58 PM
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Pete M
14-10-2002, 09:15 PM
Paul C
there is no need to appologize
about anything.
it's a forum and everyone expresses there opoions and thoughts.
I respect your views on the fight and if thats the way you saw it
than so be it.
On the scores it was like 60-56 60-55 60-57
it was something around that.
Pete M,
I don't know what your comments have to do with any of my comments, I guess you are referring to someone else.
Paul, did Tarik say anything about the February show at Vodafone arena?
paul c
15-10-2002, 12:13 AM
I don't think so Remy.
I'm more interested in seeing the A1 Annihalation than the K-1 oceania hopefully early next year, perhaps at the Vodafone.
Slyman
15-10-2002, 10:43 PM
Hey Paul C,
Great pics again mate from what were extremely difficult conditions.
Too many tables around the ring and with FOX being there, the neutral corners were taken.
Sorry for not re-paying the favor with the drink too. I was talking with some people after the it finished and saw you packing up. Next time I looked I didn't see you. Please let me know next time you're in town.
OK, my thoughts on the main event. I think the rules played directly into the hands of Gurkan. With waist-and-above kicks and Watts lanky legs, all Gurkan had to do was duck under them and the attack was negated. He could just spring out of the duck and unleash his leather. Yeah, Gurkan has power in his punches but I dont think he hurt Adam. I've read the posts and feel that Adam can take what Gurkan has to offer - my opinion.
I read what you said about the kick Adam put into Gurkan and have to agree about how he withstood the impact and mate, I can still hear that 'boof' noise that emitted from Gurkans body. One tough boy no doubt about that! I think Adam took a huge risk taking this fight on. He now has a loss on his resume to a lesser weighted fighter. Then again should he have won, then it would have been touted that he beat someone lighter than he. Adam, wears the tag of having 'the best spinning back fist of the 20th century' and certainly would have had a better result had the rules have been different. But that's the risk he took, he accepted the rules as they were and he lost.
I've seen Stanley Nandex fight on several occasions. First time was in 1998 in Brisbane. He was competing in full contact ring karate. Many people were left horizontal I can tell you. He took the grand champion trophy for his efforts.
Stanley has tremendous leg speed and can throw that right round kick at any distance. He is a dynamic fighter who will do what it takes to make contact - including somersaults while kicking!
I have to say, that while I have seen Frank Zammit fight some tough guys (his fight with Chris Johnson was an epic and worthy of a look on video) my honest thoughts as Frank was heading down the passage to the ring were "I think Frank's going to get hurt". Had someone have been beside me that's exactly what I would have said.
I just hope that Frank is OK and that he gets his mind back on the job and is in the ring again real soon.
I wasn't there but Stanley also KO'd a guy, Lenny Biggler, at a show on the central coast and after one of those kicks to the neck. He was out for 15 minutes. You're going to hear more about this guy Nandex and is definately a worthy opponent for Gurkan.
What happened to Paul Le? I didn't know who was fighting until I got there but heard that Greg Foley was to have fought Paul Le. He (Foley)annihilated the guy he did fight and question why someone of that calibre would be matched against Greg. Again, Greg had so much to lose if an unheard of guy beat him on a high profile promotion, but he's a champion and took care of that fight, as a champion does.
ah well, hope to catch up with you again soon.
cheers Slyman
Webmaster: I have to agree with Paul C, it would be sooooo much easier for us to upload our shots directly to the forum - how about it huh?
paul c
16-10-2002, 12:47 PM
Hi Ian,
It was good catching up again.
Yeah, those tables are a friggin nightmare.
I was honestly just about to pack up and go home, I refuse to shoot pictures of ropes all night. I know there are a lot of important people to seat at shows, but promoters forget that thousands of people are seeing through our lenses, and perhaps we should get priority over good looking babes.
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I'll call ya when up next.
paul c
16-10-2002, 01:16 PM
Re Paul Lee,
Just a guess, but I think he probably didn't end up fighting in Sydney because it was too close to a boxing show which he fought on last night in Melbourne.
Unfortunately he ended up being outpointed last night.
Mike Cope had an awesome boxing fight on the same show and drew points. Man, Cope is one tough dude.
Sam Soliman also fought and defeated Jeff Fenechs fighter Saiko points.
Koshy
18-10-2002, 01:34 PM
For such a strong nugget Paul Lee doesn't seem to have much power.
sooty
18-10-2002, 04:08 PM
I cant seem to get over the fact that the rules were modified to suit.. To fight under above the waist rules seems to me to be going backwards.. For one to take another seriously as a Kickboxer, one must be prepared to not just give Leg kicks but to defend againsted them as well. To take leg kicks away just makes the victory kinda hollow.. No disrespect to Gurkan.. "But" fighters at this level ( World Champions ) should take the leg kicks as a part of the norm, and not modify, adjust or alter the rules because one fighter does not like them.. At the end of the day, are the fighters Kickboxing or not! Champions do not like fighting within dialuted rules to favour one fighter over the other.
The "real" test would have come from working the legs. From what i read on the posts, it was more like a Boxing bout.
Osu
Mark
Dowgy
18-10-2002, 04:13 PM
Have watched a few of Nandex fights he sure has awesome kicks but I dont think the hands would hold up against Gurkan.
Paul Grima would know a bit more he used to train him.
paul c
18-10-2002, 04:17 PM
Koshy,
I have to agree with you. He's built like a bull and keeps coming forward non stop, but your right. I'd like to see him dish out with a little more mustard.
Sooty,
World champion kickboxers should take leg kicks, but I believe this was a once off thing. A kickboxer should fight with leg kicks today, but what you have to consider is that Gurkan to fight Watt with leg kicks would be stupid. His legs took punishment in the heavyweights so why would he want to go through that again with somebody who fights at heavyweight, while he usually fights at super middleweight.
I guess what it came down to was no fight, or a fight with a heavyweight without the leg kicks, and they chose to have a fight. Perhaps they should have just made it a boxing fight.
Koshy
20-10-2002, 07:46 PM
Just on that note about Paul Lee does anyone know if he has KO'ed anyone?
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