Ozkan vs Kara [Archive] - International Kickboxer Forum

WoG

14-08-2002, 03:40 PM

well first of all Nick coming back to fight daniel thai 1st september his been gone overseas for a while now.
i think Nick has improved according to what i have heard. And i think Nick would have a good chance beating Gurkan. But Gurkan has a good chance of knocking Nick out too! we all saw what daniel thai did to him the first time. my opinion if it goes all the way Nick would win because he throws great leg kicks. Gurks could not compete with him in that department my opinion. i belive their is no way Nick could knockout gurkan with his punches doesent have the power. If gurks did get droped it would be from the leg kicks.
HOW ABOUT IT GURKAN? WOULD U FIGHT NICK KARA?

Glenn

14-08-2002, 04:34 PM

I think Nick Kara could/would beat Gurkan Ozkan. Kara hits hard and kicks well. If it was a knee fight, even better.
Kara just beat Manson Gibson overseas, and Gibson is no slouch.

paul c

14-08-2002, 07:46 PM

Who's show is Nick fighting Daniel Tai on guys?

Is it Kelly Seifs Super-8 show?

I haven't seen Nick fight since the last time with Daniel.
It would take a hell of a lot to knock Ozkan out. I just can't see it happening. So far most of Nick's fights have been over in the first or second rnd (I haven't seen the Gibson fight).

It would certainly be an interesting fight. Both guys like to go all out from the very start. Except for Gurkan's last fight.
I like Nick and think he has a promising future, but think a fight with Ozkan would be a mistake until he gets a few more fights under his belt.

rebel

14-08-2002, 09:49 PM

Gibson is 41 years old!!!

As a side note Paul, you may be interetsed to know that Nick Kara made his debut BEFORE Ozkan!

allanf

14-08-2002, 10:07 PM

I cant belive you guys, diddnt you see Gurkan's last fight, look how good he is now and only getting better. Gurkan will Kill Kara!!!! That will be no suprise, his far too quick and strong and more experienced, i cant belive you guys think that Nick will win. What a joke!!!

paul c

14-08-2002, 11:15 PM

Rebel,

Yeah I heard that Nick started a long time ago, but must have stopped fighting for a while I guess.

Anyone have any more info.

Even though he may have started before Ozkan, the amount of fights they've both had wouldn't be anywhere near close I imagine.

Ozkan's experience of 63 fights is just too much for Nick I think, but I doubt that Nick would refuse the fight if given the opportunity.

I wonder what Gurkan's next fight after John Hallford will be. I honestly think Tarik is going to have to bring in someone from oversees to make it interesting.

rebel

15-08-2002, 12:03 AM

allan, i disagree. Gurkan is certainly not getting better and I dont think he was superb on Monday. He outhustled Arthur who didn't do much at all, but he wasn't outstanding by a long shot. Some may have iced Gurkan's legs playing up despite the fact Arthur didn't really unlod on them.

rebel

15-08-2002, 12:04 AM

Sorry that should read "Some may have noticed Gurkan's legs playing up despite the fact Arthur didn't really unload on them."

remy

15-08-2002, 01:06 AM

Every time Gurkan beats somebody, people come on hear and find another fighter that they think will beat him. There are bigger fights out there than Nick Kara, and Hallford is one. There seems to be anti Gurkan supporters lobbying regularly on this forum.

SIMARIK

15-08-2002, 01:06 PM

Gurkan has beaten everyone. Gurkan has the highest knockout ratio. Kara is good but a very messy fighter to watch, he is all over the place. As for Kara beating Manson Gibson, isnt Gibson like over 40years old?! Kara is good, but not great as Ozkan is.

Kara got knocked out by Daniel Thai, Ozkan won both fights against Thai and Gurks didnt work up a sweat.

Rebel, really what are you saying? You may be part of Arthurs camp? If not, Arthur got smashed. Ozkan style has changed significantly and he does pace himself. ARTHUR GOT HAMMERED! HARD! The legs, Arthur was to afraid to throw a leg kick for the fear of being open to the hands of Ozkan. thats your answer.

Paul C. I agree with you totally.

BIG AL

15-08-2002, 02:33 PM

Kara got k.oed by Dan Tai in about 20secs!! Ozkan should tear him apart!! but good luck Nick if it goes on!

madjack

15-08-2002, 11:38 PM

Nick got too lazy and left his hands down everytime he thru a kick against Tai, I'm sure he has watched that video many times and has learnt from his mistake. I'm sure that if this fight took place that Nick would take Gurkan alot more seriously and do himself proud, win, lose or draw..
By the way I know Gurkan resonably well (around the clubs in Melbourne) and I think he is a great fighter and has always been a gentleman towards myself and has always been a great ambassador for this sport we all support.
I reckon this would be a great fight....

paul c

16-08-2002, 12:40 AM

Well said Madjack,

I would never judge a fighters ability by the outcome of a single fight. Or even two fights of more fights.
The Daniel Tai fight was a shock to everyone in the building. Don't get me wrong, I'm not at all being critical of Daniel, he is one tough and very capable fighter. Just saying that Nick possibly just had a bad night.

Just as Michael Zambidis had at the last K1 Max. We would all be fools to write Michael off as a knee fighter after the outcome of that single fight.

allanf

16-08-2002, 10:33 PM

No point in this fight. Gurkan will hurt him.

delusion

17-08-2002, 12:46 AM

kara has not fought a hard fight yet that i know except daniel tai
gurkan will demolish him

madjack

19-08-2002, 12:34 AM

I dont think Gibson was an EASY fight!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JANER

19-08-2002, 02:02 PM

Kara isnt ready for Ozkan. He has to prove himself. The fight wont happen, yet.

da GhOsT

19-08-2002, 05:31 PM

if gurkan fights kara he will be taking a step bacwards.kara isnt in gurkans class.and he hasnt proven him self to be pound 4 pound.

dan

22-08-2002, 06:30 PM

Note to Simarik

Gurkan hasn't beaten everyone my friend.

The name Jocobs ring any bells down there?

I realise alot of Gurkan fans try to forget it but it was a pretty clear-cut win (even if it was a while ago).

Oh and Gurkan would KO Nick in about 35 secs.

remy

23-08-2002, 01:01 AM

Jacobs won no doubt but I scored it 48-47. Dan, if you have the tape watch it and give your score. Everybody has had loses, even the great Ian Jacobs. He has beaten most his opponents with a lot of big names on his resume.

Andrew P

23-08-2002, 02:58 PM

I think Kara has a shot. Can't predict a definite winner, it can go either way, but remember people said who the hell is this Ambrose guy and he KO'd (and embarrassed) Ozkan. They said Warren Elson had no chance under kickboxing rules, he TKO'd Ozkan. Mark May was unknown and not expected to win, he beat him. Gurkan has a few more losses in fights where he was favoured as well. Don't discredit Nick! He has a good shot.

Glenn

23-08-2002, 03:39 PM

Tibor Vermes was also beating Gurkan until the chaos errupted.

Andrew P

23-08-2002, 05:05 PM

Yes but many people expected Tibor to beat Ozkan, so it wasn't a big suprise to see him dominating that fight.

remy

23-08-2002, 10:26 PM

A lot of people know Ambrose, he was a well known world class fighter. Especially known in Europe. Tibor world class, warren elson now world class, Jacobs world class.

paul c

24-08-2002, 01:43 PM

Hey, I just read in International Kickboxer that Nick is one of the Bad guys in movie being shot in Thailand. Way to go Nick.

I actually allways thought Kara looked like an actor. Good stuff.

Andrew P

26-08-2002, 02:20 PM

Remy, nonetheless, before many of Gurkans losses he was considered the favourite (I'm not saying they weren't good fighters, I'm saying they were expected to lose in much the same dismissive way people are talking about Kara here) Eg: Elson is good, but under KB rules Gurkan was expected to slaughter him, that fight was supposed to be a showcase fight for him for the Sydney audience. So nobody can give a truly logical reason why Kara doesnt deserve to fight Ozkan and why he "has no chance". He has world class experience doesn't he? He fought Manson Gibson, yes an ancient Gibson, but a world champ nonetheless in his own backyard. How was the HEAVILY overrated Arthur tSAKONAS considered a big huge test but Nick Kara wouldn't be? If people say Nick hasn't earnt a shot, what the hell has Tsakonas ever done except fight on low budget shows in Springvale and have a big mouth manager?

Lucy Tui

26-08-2002, 06:17 PM

So glad to be back on line, I would love to see Nick kara and Gurkan fight isn't Nick to heavy 84kg Gurkan 78kg..
unless they came in at a catch weight..
Should be a good rematch with Daniel Tai and Nick goodluck to both the boys..
Regards
Lucy Tui

Glenn

27-08-2002, 12:06 AM

Ozkan vs Kara was pencilled in for earlier this year but didn't happen due to Karas injured hand.

remy

27-08-2002, 01:19 PM

Andrew, Arthur had a big mouth trainer as you say who tried to build up his fighter by bagging Jacobs and other fighters for not taking his boy on. His only claim to fame was a draw against Hallford and perhaps that was enough, as long as there is public interest there will be a fight, and his trainers mouth managed to build up interest. That's politics. If a lot of people want the fight, more than other fights he will probably try to put it on. I believe Gurkan should be fighting some world class fighters from outside Australia. He has beaten most of the best from Australia already.

Glenn

27-08-2002, 08:21 PM

I believe a lot of Australian fighters should be fighting overseas opponents, but it's not happening. Tarik can afford to bring them out, but for some reason won't. Maybe the general fight fan doesn't know/care much for overseas fighters?

Edited by - Glenn on 27 Aug 2002 19:22:14

paul c

06-09-2002, 06:36 PM

I thought I'd bring this thread back so it doesn't get too far down the list.

If Kara keeps winning his fights, I can actually see this one eventually happening. I thought Nick did pretty well, and was the most composed I'd ever seen him. He used to get a little messy, but I thought he looked pretty tight this time around.

About oversees opponents,
I honestly feel if Solak knew of a fighter that would give us a good performance that he'd probably bring him out. He doesn't seem to have a problem bringing Michael Zambidis over time after time.
It's just a matter of which fighter.
Remember the two Thai fighters he brought over?
I don't want to get into the 'he should have known better' two Thai's from the same camp arguement, but what a waste of money.

Don't know about you guys, even though I want to see oversees competition, more often than not I end up feeling that the import fighter wasn't as good as what our local guys are.

Glenn

07-09-2002, 12:10 AM

The only reason the Thais were a disapointment was because they were not allowed to fight in the 8-man, otherwise it would have been great. Tarik also had Ryan Simson roped in for the card, but that fell through.
Really, there a lot of great fighters worldwide but I get the feeling a lot of the time the 2nd class o/s fighters are just brought over to give the locals win.
The Tarik Solak/Songchai promotion a few years back was good though, top class Thais against the top class Australians, that's what I want more of!