Overeem's last K-1 fight...

[MichaelSchiavello]

here it is, against Dzevad Poturak... Good Night Irene

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqLCK0qcxrU&feature=related

"The Voice" Michael Schiavello

[Nick Boutzos]

So who you tipping Michael?

[chicano]

Ouch!!!! He is one hell of a unit.

Good calling as always mate. Can't wait for his fight with the Guvner. It's going to be a big noise when Overeem hits the canvas... lol

[phkmma]

If Overeem tries to cover up like that against a big hitter like Ben he will be put into orbit big style. Ben will destroy Overjuiced the overrated

[Steve P]

here it is, against Dzevad Poturak... Good Night Irene

Good Night Irene and Good Night Overeem. Sweet sounds.

[heavy]

Overeem overrated??? I could do a DD google search on him and destroy that comment. He is a gun! Did you watch the Badr Hari fight?

[phkmma]

Overeem overrated??? I could do a DD google search on him and destroy that comment. He is a gun! Did you watch the Badr Hari fight?

Yes overrated, are you talking about the fight he won againts Hari in 2008 or the loss in 2009? 6-4 record in K1 33-11 in mma which he seems to loose to any well ranked opponent, his strikeforce belt is a joke.

After his fight with Ben his nickname will be "the Demolished man"

[heavy]

The 2008 fight when he KOed Hari in the first round with a left hand http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHLviK5XzMo

I was very impressed with that fight. I just watched his loss in 2009, hadnt seen that one. Still don't think hes overrated. This is a guy who has fought the best on the world stage, in massive promotions like Pride, K1 and Strikeforce. In the upcoming fight with Ben, it is a huge step up for Ben, firstly to fight on such a big promotion, and secondly to fight against a superstar. However, personally I hope that Ben smashes Overeem.

[Gospeljohn]

I watched an old Pride event tonight. One of Alistairs early fights. 'INCREDIBLE' . . . . how much he has filled out. . . ahem. . . cough.

[Russ]

The 2008 fight when he KOed Hari in the first round with a left hand.

I was very impressed with that fight.

Honestly, how impressed could you get about a 1st round KO. Even a dud heavyweight can KO someone in the first round.
You get impressed by wars, not the odd 1st round KO

[MichaelSchiavello]

Corbett has had about 9 or 10 first round KO's. I was impressed every time. Edwards won the K-1 Oceania with first round KO's. I was impressed by that too.

But hey, I guess not everybody feels the same way about first round KO's.

"The Voice" Michael Schiavello

[Voice]

imagine Ruslan trying to 'box' for 3 rounds...BORING!
Some guys you want to see bang on for 3 rounds (Semmy, Hari) and some you want to see going for broke.
I like the GP because you get all types mixing it which is quite different to the Max.

[Hironaka]

Overeem's early Pride fight against Atajev is an underrated gem. Devestating spinning heel kick in that fight that he shakes off as though it was nothing.

[Adambjjoz]

I watched an old Pride event tonight. One of Alistairs early fights. 'INCREDIBLE' . . . . how much he has filled out. . . ahem. . . cough.

He was fighting at 104kg in Europe in the late 90's and early 00's, before cutting way down to the 205lb LHW class in Pride.

[Russ]

Corbett has had about 9 or 10 first round KO's. I was impressed every time. Edwards won the K-1 Oceania with first round KO's. I was impressed by that too.

But hey, I guess not everybody feels the same way about first round KO's.

"The Voice" Michael Schiavello

not the odd 1st round KO

CARNAGE is a KO specialist, as is Ben.

[MichaelSchiavello]

... as is Overeem

"The Voice" Michael Schiavello

[ttp]

Yes overrated, are you talking about the fight he won againts Hari in 2008 or the loss in 2009? 6-4 record in K1 33-11 in mma which he seems to loose to any well ranked opponent, his strikeforce belt is a joke.

After his fight with Ben his nickname will be "the Demolished man"

ok so your not a fan of overeem... that's fair to say.

but overeem has been quite active past 2 years fighting in K-1 and MMA... against legit fighters.

who not impressed by first round KO's??? NOT all HW can ko people so i think that's a bold statement.

overeem might not suit everyone's style but it not easy to swap between your mma stance and your kb stance.

[brooklyn_lee]

I have to be honest and say Overeem will win.I think he's a better all round fighter,but hope that big head of his gets him in trouble and he decides to throwdown with Ben so Ben can knock him out.

[Cedric]

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[Hironaka]

Goddammit, when are people going to get over this? Yes, he has put on a remarkable amount of bulk in a relatively short amount of time, but it is not unreasonable. Don't forget that he was a 6ft5 natural heavyweight who went through hell to make 205lbs back in the Pride days. It showed in almost every single one of his fights when he was blowing up about three minutes into the first round.

While he looks somewhat unnatural now, he is actually probably closer to his natural weight than he was at 205lbs.

[Voice]

Goddammit, when are people going to get over this? Yes, he has put on a remarkable amount of bulk in a relatively short amount of time, but it is not unreasonable.

ahem, do you also believe in these Hiro?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rM2GYSNNXN4/ScC4JaNZ6FI/AAAAAAAABA8/9JRn2EGJgYw/s400/Leprechaun.jpg

[MichaelSchiavello]

People need to stop fooling themselves if you dont think that many of the guys you revere in sports aren't on something, and yes, even the guys you revere locally ;-)

Just because someone is not ripped and buffed, doesn't mean they dont take any form of PED.

I'm not saying Alistair is or isnt on stuff. He fought in SF in the USA and passed his tests. So until he gets tested postive...

"The Voice" Michael Schiavello

[Voice]

exactly, and the jury is still out on whether it really helps in the combat sports (I recall we did a thread on this a few years back).
Positives are strength, bulk and enhanced soft tissue repair.
Negatives are endurance, bulk and peanut balls.

[Hironaka]

ahem, do you also believe in these Hiro?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rM2GYSNNXN4/ScC4JaNZ6FI/AAAAAAAABA8/9JRn2EGJgYw/s400/Leprechaun.jpg

Regardless, he is a natural heavyweight that used to torture himself to get to 205lbs.

If people are going to talk about Alistair taking roids, why not talk about the illegal diuretics that fighters take make weight classes that are 10-20kgs below their natural weight? They are cheating just as much as juicers and are arguably more dangerous.

[Voice]

I don't think we are on topic about illegal substances in this thread but I agree that he is most definitely a legit and very good heavyweight.

For what it is worth, I think the fighting arts is probably a sport that (if any do) could permit the use of PED implicitly (by not testing).
But that is for another thread.

[phkmma]

I do think that Overeem is a good fighter, i dont think he is a great fighter. (thats why i called him overrated)

I just think Bens style will be too much for him, he does not handle pressure fighters well Ben has a higher work rate with strikes and his chin will not handle Bens power, If he gets hit by the combos that he got hit by in his last fight it will be all over, his last opponent did not have the power Ben does and Ben will not let him settle in.

And yes I love a first round KO as well as a 3 or 5 round war :)

[Voice]

People do underestimate the importance of experience at this format and are perhaps a little too parochial but hey, here's hoping for a little good fortune for the brave.

[Russ]

even the guys you revere locally ;-)

"The Voice" Michael Schiavello

Maybe the ones you revere, but not the ones I do. And your joking yourself if you even think you know.

[sniper]

anyone keen for some lobsters on the fight. its the kind of fight that i would happily lose my money for to support ben but im inclined to put it on overeem!

[MichaelSchiavello]

Maybe the ones you revere, but not the ones I do. And your joking yourself if you even think you know.


Hahah, okay buddy.

"The Voice" Michael Schiavello

[ttp]

we don't see overeem EVERY single day of our lives and like hiro said he is a natural HW who cut bulk in pride to get that slim build and use his kb/thai style with lots of step up knees etc to his advantage...

he fights full time means he trains full time and i think slowly over time he would be able to gain that build.

look what happen to frank mir after brock smashed him, he went and trained and dedicated himself to putting on more muscle etc and gain 20-30 pounds of muscle. in a short few months and frank mir looked WAY different.

So i don't see why everyone saying overeem body is not legit and like MICHAEL THE VOICE stated fair enough he fought mainly in JAPAN and the testing might of been a bit dodgy... but he did fight for STRIKEFORCE and was clean for that test.

[Hironaka]

look what happen to frank mir after brock smashed him, he went and trained and dedicated himself to putting on more muscle etc and gain 20-30 pounds of muscle. in a short few months and frank mir looked WAY different.


Mir bulked up years ago. He was quite soft when he began his career and was carrying what some like to call 'puppy fat'.

Check out his physique in the the Tank Abbott fight for proof of how he bulked up using traditional bodybuilding methods to gain muscle mass, which does not transfer well to MMA. The second time he undertook a serious strength program for the Lesner fight, he did it the right way, but it still did him no favours.

[Russ]

Hahah, okay buddy.

"The Voice" Michael Schiavello

What i meant is, apart from the actual fighter, and maybe a weight trainer, everything is just conjecture .

[ttp]

Mir bulked up years ago. He was quite soft when he began his career and was carrying what some like to call 'puppy fat'.

Check out his physique in the the Tank Abbott fight for proof of how he bulked up using traditional bodybuilding methods to gain muscle mass, which does not transfer well to MMA. The second time he undertook a serious strength program for the Lesner fight, he did it the right way, but it still did him no favours.

yeah i know he bulked up over the years but if you see the weigh in photos from the FIRST lesnar vs mir fight compared to lesnar vs mir 2 you can see his back and his overall build he has put on that extra 20 pounds of muscle and he did look different....

like you said it didn't do him any favours lol.

[zeyar]

On youtube...theres a video of Overeem talking about his diet and how often he eats and rests..

they show him absolutely chowing down on some big big plates of tucker...he eats 7 - 10 meals a day..and they are fkn massive sittings...

[ttp]

If Overeem tries to cover up like that against a big hitter like Ben he will be put into orbit big style. Ben will destroy Overjuiced the overrated

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.... dunno if you watched the fight yet.

[phkmma]

yes yes im eatin my worrds, but i will always back Ben and any Ausssie fighter even if it means saying something over the top, just passionate. but wholy hell how hard is Ben to get up after those shots, if any other fighter in the world got hit like Ben did in from that overhand it would be lights out.

[ttp]

i agree with you as a aussie 2 i wanted ben to do good and put us aussies on the map but to be realistic overeem just to skillful atm for ben...

agreed his a spartan for sure... ben will come back form this it was a huge stage and a huge step up in competition.

to get overeem first is like going 1 on 1 with any of the lakers in basketball.

[Voice]

yes yes im eatin my worrds, but i will always back Ben and any Ausssie fighter even if it means saying something over the top, just passionate. but wholy hell how hard is Ben to get up after those shots, if any other fighter in the world got hit like Ben did in from that overhand it would be lights out.

in all fairness to Overeem and the fight objectively, all the crowd will remember is Overeem scoring a Rnd 1 triple knock down to win comfortably. We are very parochial on this forum and will always back the Aussie but you don't get points for second.
Still, hopefully FEG liked the way Ben came out bangin' and there will be future opportunities.
Check out Overeem's dismissive opinion of Ben (and check out his chick).
http://www.k-1.co.jp/en/event/2010/1002_wgp/10_results.html

[fighta29]

in all fairness to Overeem and the fight objectively, all the crowd will remember is Overeem scoring a Rnd 1 triple knock down to win comfortably. We are very parochial on this forum and will always back the Aussie but you don't get points for second.
Still, hopefully FEG liked the way Ben came out bangin' and there will be future opportunities.
Check out Overeem's dismissive opinion of Ben (and check out his chick).
http://www.k-1.co.jp/en/event/2010/1002_wgp/10_results.html

Didnt seem dismissive at all

[Ausmat]

I thought he should Ben allot of respect. Overeem has gained some respect from me aswell the way he carried himself in the interview. In my eyes Semmy is the only one that could get in his way the rest of the tournament.

[Voice]

my read of it was that he was polite but 'deciding' you were going to KO someone in the first and then carrying through with it is a little dismissive. Perhaps I'm looking at it wrong.
Check out that pic (first one in 2nd row) when he connects with Ben. Massive biceps and shoulder swinging through the punch, you don't realise quite how hard it was on the video.

[Hironaka]

I havent watched this yet. Been busy on Mars.

[ttp]

yeah man i rewinded the video like 10 times to see how heavy that second ko was far out that was like perfect timing and just clean on the button

if that was anyone else good night irene.....

[Russ]

I havent watched this yet. Been busy on Mars.


She greek?

[Hironaka]

She greek?

I wouldn't know. I was toasted.

[joeld]

Apparently Fedor's called out Overeem...

Posted August 26 2010.
Original story in russian (translated by google):
http://www.mixfight.ru/news/2010/8/26/Alistar_Overim_smeetsya_nad_srokami_boya_s%20_fedo rom/

Recently, the legendary Fedor Emelianenko has publicly called for the fight champion Strikeforce in tyaezhlom champion Alistair Overeem, proposing to meet in November or December. But 30-year-old Dutch striker has agreed to take part in the Grand Prix K-1, which will begin Oct. 2 in Korea and will end on December 11 in Japan.

"Unequivocal, I want to rematch with Fabricio Werdum. But as he went through surgery, this fight is unlikely to happen in the future. This year, in November-December, I would like to meet in a cage with Alistair Overeem "- told Fedor site mixfight. ru at the beginning of the week.

Intention to act Overeem K-1 are not surprising. Golden Glory fighter said about the possibility of its participation in the Grand Prix after a fantastic defeat Fedor for 69 seconds at the June show Striekforce and M-1 Global. Chapter Strikeforce Scott Coker also gave good Overeem on a journey under his belt champion K-1, although this means that Strikeforce may lose his championship until 2011.

In a letter to sherdog.com Overeem wondered why Emelianenko and his management are looking for a fight with him when he is unavailable.

"Two weeks ago I decided to fight in K-1, as Werdum was out. Have fun, because I tried to throw a challenge to Fedor for a year and two months later after a fight with Werdum, they suddenly want to fight with me. They are generally unaware of the I decided to fight in K-1 "?

Overeem believes that the first in the cage with him should be Werdum, but not Emelianenko. 33-year-old Brazilian world champion and ADCC opbeditel recently went under the knife to fix minor problems with his elbow and plans to return in early 2011. This was confirmed by his manager, Richard Werner.

Overeem continued: "I flew to the U.S. to challenge the winner. It is not even shown on TV. If Werdum was not injured, I would have fought with him, but not in K-1, as I already said that Strikeforce - my top priority this year. But now the situation allows me to follow a dream to become a winner K-1 Grand Prix ".

Chapter Strikeforce Scott Coker said Wednesday that the organization was still considering the list of contenders to fight with Emelianenko. Also, Coker and M-1 Global are in talks about extending their joint cooperation and future joint tournaments, which include Emelianenko, who remains the last fight on the contract with the organization, based in San Jose, California.

Overeem, spreading Brett Rogers in less than 4 minutes to show Strikeforce "Heavy Artillery" in May, believes that Fedor is the other more obvious opponent.

"Posmorite the virtual rating in Strikeforce. It is clear that Fedor - number 3 in the defeat of Werdum, and Antonio Silva - Number 4", - said the Dutchman, who also lost to Werdum in the recent past - "So let them fight, and Winner will be released on the winner of my fight with Werdum. "

Another obstacle may be, and there were rumors that the M-1 may ask Overeem tested the blood on the Olympic system to a potential fight with Emelianenko. The representative of M-1 Global declined to comment on this rumor on Wednesday.

In May, Strikeforce conducted independent testing of urine Overeem and nine other participants of the show "heavy artillery" in Missouri, a sports commission that such basic tests were not performed. All tests yielded negative results. Blood tests are more accurate and precise way to test a fighter, but in mixed martial arts, they are not used as stanadrtnoy measures. At present, only the sports commission in New Jersey conducted blood testing in some tournaments in MMA.

Coker did not give a specific answer to rumors that the M-1 Global could have requested additional testing Overeem.

[fighta29]

"Intention to act Overeem K-1 are not surprising. Golden Glory fighter said about the possibility of its participation in the Grand Prix after a fantastic defeat Fedor for 69 seconds at the June show Striekforce and M-1 Global. Chapter Strikeforce Scott Coker also gave good Overeem on a journey under his belt champion K-1, although this means that Strikeforce may lose his championship until 2011"



WTF?????

[joeld]

Haha obviously something lost in translation!

[Boosie]

makes sense that fedor would hold off on taking the fight till overeem got a bit more hype behind him.


anyone think that sting (on his good days) would've put a more interesting challenge to overeem than ben did?

not taking anything from ben, just think the strategy would've been different/more conducive to a result.