ZAMBIDIS RIPPED OFF?

[admin]

Hi guys

I have heard from several of my sources in Japan now that Zambidis may have been RIPPED OFF in Japan... Tarik just got back from the event and he is usually straight up as to whether someone got beaten or not and even he said this:

"Zambidis was ripped off... they said Zambidis was knocked down with a knee to the head in one of the rounds but the way it looked was that Masato pushed him at the same time he was throwing a knee and the ref though the knee caught Zambidis and knocked him down... full credit to Masato because he pushed Mike all the way, but Mike was hard done by... how do you figure this scenario: it was a split decision with one Japanese judge giving it to Mike! Had Mike gone on I think he would have won it all because all the other fighters were wide open for Mike's punches! They led with their chins."

Well guys, that's Tarik's summary and he just got back from Japan. Everyone has an opinion I suppose... I will have to wait till I see the fight to form mine, but just thought I'd tell you what I have heard from Tarik who was there.

Interesting...

Michael Schiavello
- Editor -
IK Magazine
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SKY TV NZ

three judges each gave it a split decision and one judge (a Japanese no less) gave it to Zambidis!"

[cyb5]

I actually got to see a stream of it over the net..

all i can say is ... we should of sent wayne parr...

[Dynamite Drew]

Zamibidis ripped off ?? NO WAY
More like Masato ripped off

Should have been unanimus points win

The way a figher would win a fight by throwing haymakers at someones body and head and hoping for a KO would be in a local pub not a major kick boxing tournament.

Masato took most of the head high haymakers on the gloves or arms and the ones that did connect , he took well , same with the body shots , although they did connect more and in return his punches were straighter , connected with kicks ( zambidis threw very few ) and totally dominated when it came to knees.

So , how in the hell would Zambidis be ripped off ???



Cheers
Drew



We who are truely brave will never live in fear!

[Glenn]

Gee, sounds like Solak forgot whose show it was when JWP was ripped off against Zambidis.

[paul c]

Even though I agree with you guys that I think Parr won Oceania, Ripped off is a little harsh I think. Honestly, I would have hated to be a judge on that night. So I guess he was, but I don't think it was obvious enough to be intentional fellas.

I know several people that absolutely felt it was a draw, but then changed their minds after the video.

[Choppa]

I think Masato would have beaten JWP if it were JWP figthing instead of Mike.

[lamb_chops]

i bet Zambidis lost fare and square all he does is throw wild haymakers with alot of force behind it,and thats why he beats most kickboxers coz he wins coz of his hands,but forget winning fighting a good knee fighter i could just imagine masato skip kneeing one knee after the other into zamdidis,just like john wyane parr did. if ya gonna fight a knee fight score it by the agression and constant kneeing not wild haymakers,if you throw a big right hand and a big left hook and you get grabbed and kneed sensless thats agression and work rate wild haymakers only only score if you win by knockout not scoring if you hit gloves. So as far as im conserened zambidis has lost twice to parr and masato!!!! P.s i agree wayne should of been in there!! cherrs.

[harls]

Ah the beautiful thing called Karma! I love it right now!!!

[sooty]

I'm witcha their harls! lol

Later
Msooty

[krama]

Well well - a bunch of ZAM hater!!

Lampchops, hars and sooty (or is it sooky)
Fact is ZAM beat JWP - get over it
Fact is ZAM fought Masato not JWP - get over it
ZAM is not an average haymaking thrower - he is brilliant athlete with devastating form and function - fact, so get over it

Fact - ZAM was NOT fighting in peak condition against Masato -

HArls - karma is a wonderfull think - and you will witness just what it is all about when JWP and ZAM meet again!!

Why dont some of you accept the fact that JWP simply could not put away ZAM with the ease that he put away chopper and Tui that night?
JWP threw everything he could at the little, short fellow, without success - why? because ZAM is not your average fighter, he has a great defence, fitness and a great counter as well
and the JWP club needs to comprehend JWP came close to being KO'd himself that night, whether his pride allows him to admit it or not , he stated himself ZAM punches bloody hard, and easily has the ability to knock him out - if given the opportunity -

ZAM will be back - he WILL have his revenge, you wont hear him winge like a little school girl(something probably Harls and sooty would do)
he will let his haymakers do the talking!!

In closing - it is sad that some of you love to s h i t bag the up and coming favorites, for whatever reason - ZAM lost, big deal, he will go on and continue fighting - so will JWP - lets respect what these guys put in and support them rather than bag them and call them odinary -
(spring)Lamb chops - he would tenderise those punny little ribs of yours with a haymaker left hook - first round, first punch - quickest KO in K1 history - that I would love to see
Harls - karma is a wonderful thing, we will see what the future holds, dont write off a champ like ZAM
sooty - JWP v ZAM - great fight - 4th round KO win to ZAM, overhead haymaker to the forehead - followed by a flying knee to head from ZAM (as he did against Behic) cant wait!! BRING ON THE KARMA AND THE HAYMAKERS!!! HERE WE GO!!

[Koshy]

I think JWP is great and I support him all the way but I dont think he is better than Kraus and Kraus ended up getting Ko by Masato.

[Servant1]

You tell them krama!!!!

[cyb5]

fact is zambidis cant handle knees..

mike cope proved it.... and his no where near wayne parrs level...


masato proved it... i bet anything that zam doesnt repreent oceania next year.....

[lennox]

zam is kicking ass out there (against knee fighters)and all you haters are sweating from the ass before during and after the result! i love it!

[cyb5]

so which knee fighters is he kicking ?

cope ? parr ?

no !

[Servant1]

Jealousy is a curse!!!!

[paul c]

I don't think we've seen Zambidis's best yet. This guy is something else. He adapts well to challenges. I think this season we've seen as good as he's probably got for now. But, remember how much he improved between coping with his first knee fight to now. Remember the Parr fight. What else could he have done. I don't know because I'm not a fighter, but I imagine he's going to have to come up with something to stop these guys that like being up close enough to knee.

At the same time I think Parr has the potential to be the best fighter of his generation. He's going to have to come up with something that will surprise Zambidis and give him the opportunity to get those knees connectiong to his head, because Zam seems to be able to handle them to the body without too much damage being done.

Masato, don't know about him. But I firmly believe that Parr and Zam would beat him in Aus. And firmly believe we have the best max fighters in the world here in the Oceania. I don't give a crap that Zam isn't an Aussie. He fights here more than anywhere else, so I consider this as his home soil.

[cyb5]

jealous of what ?

im just annoyed the best oceania max fighter didnt get to fight

[Servant1]

Well if he is the best y didnt he fight then?

He obviously didnt disserve to figh!!!!


SUPERKICK

[krama]

cyb5 - lets look at it another way - ZAM's background is boxing and KB - he came across to Aust and kciked the living **** out of our own world champ - Baris -
he fought one of his first K1 fights against Cope - he was probably a punch away from ko'ng Cope until he copped the knee and lost -
what makes Mike different is that he did not simply vanish and give in, nor did he say - bugger it K1 is too hard, I'll stick ti KB, he adapted, learned and moved on -
he has fought against K1 6ft giants in Europe and knocked every one of them out , 2 within the first round, and the 3 in the second during the final - knees and all!!!
he then fought a bloody tough battle against JWP - according to you blokes - the greatest knee fighter on earth - and proceeded to beat him!!
whether you agree with the decision or not is irrelevant - the fact is Mke was not ko'd, stopped or whatever by JWP's brutal knees - and Mke copped a s h i t load of them
what does this mean - Mike, the little 5ft bulldog, can take knees just like any other champ out there
the most frustrating thing I believe, esp for someone as tall as JWP - is the fact that they cannot stop this bloke with knees!!! funny is it???

[krama]

Koshy - about JWP and Kraus - my opinion is JWP would destroy him - just like ZAM did within a few rounds - KO and finish with ease

[Dynamite Drew]

Hello people

I havent seen the zambidis / cope or zambidis / parr fights , but i have seen others and from what i have seen , i of zambidis as nothing nothing more than a glorified pub fighter who throws haymaker after haymaker

if he ever fought the true superstars of the sport in his weight class like jomhod and sakmongkol ( no elbows ), i couldnt see him lasting the distance unless he runs around the ring all fight, he doesnt have technique or skills to do so

call me a purist or what ever , but i would much rather watch 2 fighters with great technique and skill than a fighter who only tries to KO opponents with wild haymakers .

POINT BEING : great technique and skill make for enjoyable fights to watch while a guy throwing wild haymakers is boring as and can watch those types of fights live for free at my local pub

cheers
Drew

We who are truely brave will never live in fear!

[lennox]

what a malaka this guy is! drew you have no clue pal!

[Koshy]

Krama I didn't know Kraus and Zam fought. What was the fight like eg how did it pan out?

[Dynamite Drew]

koshy

zambidis and kraus fought earlier this year

zambidis KO'd kraus when when one of his haymakers connected flush on his jaw

cheers
Drew

We who are truely brave will never live in fear!

[mrcrook]

Thats good news, know tarik will know how JWP & Themelakis feel.

[Glenn]

Drew, I doubt that most of the people on this board know who Jomhod & Sakmongkol are, let alone know the difference between Muay Thai rules and K1 rules!

[Dynamite Drew]

hey Glenn

yeah your probably right that not many here would know of jomhod or sakmongkol

both have fought well over 300 fights , have 220+ wins each and are absolute legends of muay thai

both fight in europe now and some are non elbow fights too

cheers
Drew

We who are truely brave will never live in fear!

[krama]

Dynamite - you stated not long ago that you had a go in the ring - it seems to me you believe ZAM is a pushover - why dont you walk the walk pall - train up - it wont take you long - just go to the local pub and ask a few yobos to throw some haymakers - and practice ducking and weaving them - and you're ready to take on Mr average ZAM!!
I will be seriously having chats with my contacts - definetly mention your posts and drum up some comotion on your behalf - start training and make the challenge Mr Dynamite -
dont be suprised if you're at avenue watching ZAM ko another victim, and he mentions your name as the next challenger!!!!
My prediction - first punch - haymaker full ko to ZAM in 3.6 seconds
GO HAYMAKER!!!! BAIL THAT HAY BABY!!!!!!!!

[Servant1]

Dynamite Drew i have now reasized what a comlpete full (MALAKA) you realy are, i thought ill give u a chance on ur opinion but you seem to keep going on and on about something u now very little about wich is fighting.

You have now pvouven that u have no clue what-so-ever so i suggest u keep ur mouth shut and ur eyes open wene Zam is fighting cos that way u might learn somthing.

You have no arrgument to back ur self up with and all u talk about is HAYMAKERS, so dont wast yours and our time wene u can come up with a good arrgument let as now, but by then will be probeply taking day trips to the moon!!!!


SUPERKICK

[Dynamite Drew]

what i said in other topic :

would i be prepared to fight zambidis ?

DAMN RIGHT I WOULD

i used to fight as same weight , sure zambidis might kick my ass , but atleast i have the balls to step in there , DO YOU ?

unfortunately , it will never ever happen , i retired from in ring fighting 4 years ago due to a very serious injury and if i was to fight again , i would be quite possibly risking my life

with regards to the injury i recieved -- after recovering and being told by 2 specialists that were different and independant of each other that i risked death if i continued to ring fight ,i really had no option but to retire.

what my injury was is no ones business but mine


Drew



We who are truely brave will never live in fear!

[Glenn]

Sakmongkol is great to watch and I'm pretty sure he is training at ISS in Thailand at the moment. I have seen Jomhod fight a couple of times, once at Lumpinee during the early 90s and he actually gets his legs kicked from him. On the same tape, there is an EXTREMELY tall Thai(Lumpinee Champion) who absolutly knees his way through his opponent. My first thought was that it was Diesol-Noi, but he was from a different era.

Not that any of this has anything to do with Zambidis!

[da GhOsT]

just finished watching the whole show on dvd.zambidis got his ass whipped. masato was more technical, where as zambidis was trying to ko masato with 1 punch.i have seen all of zambidis fights in australia, he didnt look the same.he was having a bad day out, wasnt at his game at all.oohhh well you win some, you lose some.

[HHH]

Hi guys, do you guys know if there are any places on the net with highlights or something along the same lines?<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

[dutts72]

Man..... I get out of bed nice and early as usual flick on the screen to read my emails, not much there so i had a question to ask on this forum and once again I find trash talking *****es raving on about Zambidis and JWP like you guys are either there mortal enemys or bed buddies? Lets look at some facts Zambidis and Masato rematched?( yes/no) Didnt Zambidids Ko Masato 1st Time? Anyhow thats the game they play, they rematch and Masato wins. So Tarik Solak says he gets ripped off............HELLO.............?! Thats all we see on Solak Promo's. Of course Masato is going to get the desicion in Japan were Masato is a Superstar not just in the ring but on TV etc. It would be the same if not worse in Melbourne roles reversed.
Now the real Point is all the Fighters you guys have mention being Zambidis, JWP, Masato and I saw Sakmongkol & Jomhod included. Firstyly leaving the Thais out, the other 3 guys are simply great fighters all of them, in there on Country and World Wide a fact that cant be disputed. Most of the time these guys win, ****...... when they dont every one is freaking out calling conspiracy or aliens were involved( get my drift?). These guys no the fight game and a loss inst the end of the World, yer everyone one gets ripped off from time to time. I once lost at the World Amatuer Champs in Bangkok 1997 to the Dutch champ after the bell had gone??? Apparently I had won at the conclusion of the fight but as the bell rang I collapsed in exhustion and therefore showed weakness to the Thai judges. Being a tournament style format It was deemed post fight that I lost on the count of being weak after the bell to a guy who on cards I had beaten. This is not to mention he had 40 Pro fights to my 7 at the time. Hard pill to swallow, yes Sir but I learnt something!

So how bout everyone calm down your obvious passion for certain fighters and respect them all. One thing I will say about Zambidis Vs JWP at K-1, I believe truly that it was a awesome fight and yes as it looked very very close. JWP being well resricted by the K-1 rules smashed Zambidis in the body and forearms during each round, landed Punches and Kicks on a consitent bases. Zambidis worked well in his range and threw alot of power with overhand(not haymakers) shots which visibly moved Parr in his solid defense. Now from what I no of K-1 judging is they are looking for who is doing in essence the most damage to each other with there techniques. Who is forcing the action,moving the other guy around and being dominate. Well I tell you this if the forearms and arms are not part of the human body I never knew and I will therefore say that those kness JWP threw endless to Zambidis arms and midesction where PAINFULL. Unless perhaps he had used quaterzone( is that how its spelt?) His array of technique was all there to be seen and his alomst continual foward movement was obvious to see. Zambidis put in a almighty fight and could have easily landed some flush punches on the special spot we all posses and sleepy time for JWP. But alas it was not to be as JWP was strong in the guard most of the time. Point made!!

Remember this is a pleathora of different fighting systems now. We have Muay Thai, Modified Thai Boxing, Kickboxing, MMA, Above the Waist, Full Contact,Savate, Bando, Boxing, Shoot Boxing, Khmer Muay etc. Some fighters are highly tuned in one style perhaps due to the Country or Continent of there residence, some choose to expand and adapt to further there Martial Art skill and perhaps Career. Some great examples of this are Rob Kaman, Ernesto Hoost, Stan the Man, Tosca Petridis, Sam Greco, Changpuek Kiatsongrit, Krongsak( Not the aussie one his brother who twice defeated Kaman with 20kgs difference, Jomhod, Sakmongkol and of course Maurice Smith. This I believe is what makes a real Martial Arts Champion and people like JWP and Zambidis follow in these hallowed grounds. Go out into the vast World of Martial Arts, weed out whats real and whats not and give it all a go! Whats the worst that can happen? Nothing except if you open your Minds you will all learn something from someone great! As previously mentioned I am no World Champ but I lived in Thailand as a Kid as a large portion of my family lived there during the 80s and some still do. I have been training there since 1994 and am engaged to be married to my Thai Girlfriend since school. So needless to say thats were my true alliegence lies. Though through out the years I have opened my eyes and mind to other styles, I had my 1st KB fight and my 5th overall in Jenks den in Melbourne 1998. This is after he had KO'D Gountonass twice, warred with Tetoris and was on fire. ****ting myself I went over with Ronny Parr, Oliver Olsen and Brett Dalton from Perth. I had heard I was going to get ko'd asap which didnt just piss me of made me think I better not then. Anyhow 5 rounds later Ive gone the distance, lost on points took a hammering gave him my best as I could and learnt so so much. These days I Box everyday and learn MMA, had my 1st taste of Pro Boxing last year and am about to again very soon. Letting go of my stubborn Muay Thai Pride and learning from Many different Styles from Many different Masters is the best thing ive ever done for my Martial Arts. I train with the Highest ranked Westerner in Doces Pares in the World and Ex Spetnak Russian Special forces Drago looking dude and a 60 year Old ex Pro Italian Boxer who is AMAZING. We have guys like Pete Cunningham and Bennt the Jet drop in every now and then, Don Wilson chatting to me on the phone etc. When I was a kid I thought these guys were Nancy boys, Boy was I wrong.

All in all as I have said once before, lets get behind our guys of all styles and give them the credit they deserve. There are far bigger monsters we should be fighting like the law makers in this Government, the Medical Association who must think its okay to have your head ripped from your shoulders on the Rugby or Football field but its not okay for the Oldest form of self survial since Man walked this earth to be practiced and the competed in. Our corupte Government who lie to make us go to War and Kill innocent people and allow the real killers in drugs, cigarettes and alcoholto be fragantly supported. I try no to think of it to much to often but when you look at facts WOW.......!!! sorry for raving on!

peace out

AVD72

[paul c]

Dutts, you should be writing for Kickboxer.

Great post.

[dutts72]

Thanks Paul C, apprectiate the nice words:):):)

"ONE WORLD ONE MUAY THAI"
"MUAY THAI NEVER DIES"

PEACE

AVD72

[krama]

dutts72
great write up - your views make sense

[Knockdown]

dutts72

Informed, impartial and well written. Good to see someone can post a comment on a fight with out letting peronal preference and loyalties get in the way

[bosna001]

Well writen mate straight to the point by the way zambidis ko'd kraus not masato keep them comming mate love reading your posts

[andcrews]

hi guys,i'm from greece and i entered this room becaue i heard that ZAMBIDIS will kick some more turkish asses...
who do you think will KO whom?
i thing ZAMBIDIS will hardly beat ozkan despide the fact he is at different weights!

the match is on nov 30th and many greeks expect that event...
i hope i'll find a satellite channel to watch the game because k1 is newborn here! :(

thank you all



Edited by - andcrews on 12 Aug 2003 21:51:37