Hallford would kill Ozkan

[hercules]

What do you reckon. C'mon Mr Solak get this one on, we all know who would win...
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Edited by - hercules on 02 Jul 2003 01:51:57

[cyb5]

so very true..

please tarik make it happen..

John would win


:)

[krama]

Well well - another bunch of amateurs underestimating Ozkan again

you have to be kidding yourself if you think Ozkan will be a pushover for Halford!!

Halford barely survived the fight against Arthur Tsakonas - and its well known that Ozkan whipped Arthurs arse during their last encounter.

[sooty]

I think styles make fights. John fights naturally at 74-76kgs when he is superfit & relativly lean. Gurkan & Arthur on the other hand suit and site more comfortable at 76-80kgs, so thier is a difference in power to weight in general, "But" their are not many fighters in OZ who can give away that sort of weight and still be competative.

Now Hallford vs Ozkan II would be very different with regards to the fight rules and the stratagies involved with each fighter. To say John would kill gurkan is assuming we will underestimate him if a rematch evolves, this would be a huge mistake, but at the moment the way John is working the pads and is as hungry as hell, he will be a handfull for anyone. Lets hope this fight comes off, but we also understand that we are in line with many others who too could claim a matchup.

osu
Mark [ aka sooty ]

[cyb5]

who do you think you are calling me an amateur..

do you know me? ... no !


There has been no underestimating..

gurkan has dodged hallford for years..

and showed his lack of inteligence and respect for john in that IK interview..

if any one has underestimated anyone its gurkan...

i never said it would be easy..

I just vocie my opinion that john would win.






Edited by - cyb5 on 02 Jul 2003 12:35:32

[BULLET]

I personally dont think ozkan has what it takes to match Hallfords perfect form. I watched hallford fight on last year's KB4 @ manly, and was impressed with the ring skill Hallford "showed off" against all top names in his weight division.

but what happens in the ring may be a different story if tarik is running the show. HOw about all the other promoters out there!!! lets get behind the bigger fights in oz!!

BULLETS OPINION
BULLET

[harls]

My money would go on Hallford for sure!!!

[krama]

cyb5 - you are certainly entitled to your opinion -

I have enormous respect for John Halford as a fighter, I still believe that as Ozkan stands today, being trained by the Guru Fyfield, and doing the progressive training he is doing, he would either beat Halford on points, or KO TKO him
John would not win -
and no, according to my sources Ozkan HAS DEFINETLY NOT been avoidning a ematch with Halford, Ozkan has diferent goals and objectives at the moment, and all challenges will have to wait until he is ready
My money defiently goes on Ozkan, again no disrespect to Halford, he is a great champ
Again my opinion - thats what the forum is all about
cyb5 - didnt mean to insult you re the amateur thing, but simply stating 'John would win' sound like a very naive statement.

[paul c]

Hallford is tough and durable.

If the fight went ahead I reckon or I'm pretty certain it would go the distance. I'd actually bet money that we wouldn't see a K.O.

Look guys, I believe in Milking as much excitement out of a big fight as possible. Do you think we'd get that if they just put John in now with Ozkan, or do you think it would be far more exciting if we saw Hallford have a few high profile wins on Fox first.

To give you an idea of what I'm talking about.

You and I know were the quality of John Hallford and Stanley Nandex are. But which fight do you think would do better with ticket sales against Ozkan?

I predict Stanley by double.

Why,
It's not that I think Stanley is more exciting than John for a split second. It's just that I think the media have done the work on Stanley, and it's all already in place for a high profile showdown of the deadliest puncher against the deadliest kicker (we're talking television here). Us 400 members at the blitzforum are not the entire crowd the industry needs to get the numbers to fill exciting venues. We may know better, but how many of the 3000 or so spectators that I reckon we'd get at Ozkan V Nandex are as kickboxing exucated as you guys.

So, I'd prefer and would hope that the same could be done regarding John. A couple of high profile televised fights to hype him up to the entire Fox audience first and then have this fight.

[madjack]

Hey Paul, how many more high profile fights do you think John needs, he beat Prince Amir (his first loss in Australia), has been world champ and Aussie champ.
This would be a beauty having met John and seeing how hungry he is I reckon he would trouble Ozkan but would not like to pick a winner.
Maybe this matchup would be possible, remember John beat Prince Amir and I am sure Tarik was not real wrapped about that at the time. This could be a good opportunity to get revenge.
How can we (on the web) get this noticed and make it eventuate. Suggestions please.
Maybe some thoughts from Blitz staff!
I think it is a bout that needs to happen!
PS Harls, I thought that you would pick John, I wonder why!
Jacks back...

[paul c]

Madjack, I think you've missed my point.

Play out the couple of scenario's and see what you think.

Scenario 1

Michael Schiavello starts hyping up the Ozkan Vs Hallfford fight now, he does as good a job as usual, and we get 1500 odd people at the show.


Scenario 2

Michael does the same sort of publicity for Hallford as he did for Behic last year.

We see Hallford have a great win and the television audience is impressed with his fight spirit and technique.

Michael Hypes up the same for Hallford Vs next opponent on Fox
Audience is even more impressed. They let it be known that it's Hallfords intention to fight Ozkan.
The fight forums go nuts. People are posting hundreds of oppinions in the Ozkan Vs Hallford thread (as in Ozkan Vs Zambidis thread) instead of just us 4 or 5 guys.

Now they build it up to a big event show.


I'm not doubting John's ability for a second, all I'm saying is that with Ozkan's fox profile now, it would be good to get John's built up a little for a Super Show. Because Ozkan is running out of local competiton.

I'm not talking about building up John's fight profile, we know his accomplishments. I'm strictly talking about television time here.
I reckon they could get much bigger audiences and make it more exciting.

Where as if they just throw the both of them in now,
one looses the other doesn't........The End.

Think back to last year guys when Behic was on a few fox shows. They didn't just throw Jenk in with Zam. We were told that Jenk wanted a world title and wanted to fight the best in the world to get it.

Do you reckon it was more exciting the way they did it, or do you reckon it would have been better to put Jenk up against Zambidis straight away without the Cope and Parr fights.

Behic was a far superior fighter than most of Mike's Australian opponenets. Why didn't they just let them get it on.
Well they could have, but it wouldn't have been as exciting.

That's all I'm trying to say here. Not doubting John at all. Not suggesting that he isn't in the same Fight League.


Edited by - paul c on 03 Jul 2003 08:29:25

[cyb5]

Krama,

no problems mate,


everyone is entitled to an opinion...

i just hope the fight happens ... for the both of us.. the both of them.... and kickboxing in general...

Will be a great fight.. who ever wins

[cyb5]

paul,


you have a very good point..

One thing that concerns me though is the time frame.....


I hope john doesnt decide to retire at the end of the year...

i think tarik, michael, mark, etc. should be able to create enough hype about the fight..

it will be a tradgedy if it doesnt evenutate.. no matter who you are picking to win

[tylerdurden]

Paul makes a very good point about hype, an idea would be to have Halford on the same card as Gurkan and let it be known then that he wants to fight.Maybe on the Zambidis/Ozkan undercard.

Bullet which other promoter can afford to pay both fighters?? i think Tarik can only afford this match. I would assume Ozkan gets a very good payday compared to the rest of Aussie fighters.

[paul c]

If they had these fights I'm suggesting back to back cyb5 on Solak shows, it could be done over maybe 4 months or so. Like if they have one today, second one in 2 months, and finally the fight with Gurkan on the following show two months after that.

Though, Ozkan is boxing in August, and then fighting Zam in December, so I imagine if John works out the deal with Tarik Solak, they could have it about mid way through next year.

I believe that Jenk Behic is still oversees Training. Weight permitting, I reckon Behic V Hallford would be awesome.

[harls]

Geez John's body rips hurt!!! Madjack, I reckon you would have been smiling from ear to ear when you saw him knock the starch right out of me!!! I've been training for several years now, but on the weekend John made me and everybody else look like we had just put our shorts on for the very first time.<img src=icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle>

[paul c]

I posted before traad's post was up.


Traad excellent idea about having Hallford on the Ozkan Vs Zam fight.

That would do very well I think.

[cyb5]

john is a great guy, a great fighter, and a great trainer.
I was a student of his before leaving tamworth..

He is also a very humble and down yo earth guy.. not sure if he would "call out" gurkan as such..

as i keep saying i just hope the fight happens..
we need to see more of him on fox sports.

Glad to see you guys enjoyed sparring with him etc..

Fingers crossed..


also good to see a pretty mature discussion going on here..
with fans from both sides..
keep it up guys :)

[paul c]

cyb5

Perhaps he could do it in another manner.

You know, perhaps he could say that Gurkan has accomplished a lot and he wants to test himself against him.

That way he doesn't come off as someone brash who says 'I'm gonna teach him a lesson' sorta thing.

I dunno.

[tylerdurden]

Tarik should put Halford up against another fighter who wants a shot at Ozkan. Winner of that fight gets to fight Ozkan on the next show, if they put on an impressive performance, the crowd of 1234 will already be thinking hey i wounder how he will go against Ozkan.You have people showing interest in that next fight and a good undercard fight (incentive for the two fighters to win to get a shot a Ozkan).

[hercules]

The only fight I believe these 2 have had was boxing only and Ozkan won by a controversial decision. Is this true?

[paul c]

I think they drew Hercules.

[hercules]

pretty ordinary! was there any controversy? As a mate of mine said John should have sh it it in!

[len]

gurkan is being protected by tarik until the zambidis showdown. he has no kickboxing fights planned for the near future and it has proven my theory right as far as tarik knowing gurkan isnt as good as he thinks! he does not want gurkan to lose a fight until the zam fight, simple! the stan fight was bull**** and alot of guys i talk to are saying the same thing and they are deep in the kickboxing circle, not just your average bloke at the local gyms!

[paul c]

I can't remember a controversy Herc.

A couple of mates who were always picking Ozkan to loose fights reckon Hallford should have got it. They also reckon Daniel Tai should have got the decision when he fought Gurkan, and the same with Adam Watt.

I only started shooting earlier that year, so I wasn't experienced enough to really have an oppinion, but I didn't find the fight exciting at all. There wasn't a moment that I remember where it looked like a possible K.O to either fighter.

I think they both just respected each others abilities and didn't want to take any unnecessary chances.

[paul c]

Do you honestly believe that Len?


I think most people here, even the guys that don't like Ozkan would at least credit him for having some of the biggest balls in the business. I've also heard at least 3 other promoters say that Ozkan is mad, the guy will absolutely fight anyone anywhere that you put in front of him regardless of how big or heavy they are.

Regarding Solak protecting him.
I think I would acuse Solak of the exact opposite before I considered the protected theory.

Just my oppinion.



Edited by - paul c on 07 Jul 2003 12:31:51

[paul c]

Edited by - paul c on 07 Jul 2003 12:42:25