honestly what do you get from kickboxing???

[Danielle]

kickboxing teachs teach how to hurt a person but not how to defend themselves so is this sport just a act of brutality???? dani

[Pete M]

it's a sport
and a damm good one at that

i mean look at rugby league thats hell brutal

but if you choose to fight you have to expect that there will be pain etc..

[BB]

that's a pretty big call, that it doesn't teach you how to defend yourself...

[ljh]

lol

[everlast]

Hi Danielle,

Kickboxing and Muay Thai has some of the best and powerful strikes in MA, therfore as a student /fighter of KB and MT - you need to have an excellent defence.
The fact is that it is not as fancy as it is practical

IMO -basics are best

[BULLET]

Danielle,

IN response to you question, I have been training kickboxing and Muay Thai now for just over 8 years. I began because I had low self esteem, however in that time, I have become a better person and succeeded many goals, some i am still reaching today.

In that time, i have achieved:
* Self defence
* Development of attack and counter-attack styles of fighting
* Self discipline
* High level of fitness and strength
* Met a hell of alot of good decent people in the sport
* Learned the different fighting techniques between kickboxing and
muay thai
* How to avoid fights (which i love doing as well)

I dont know if its just me, but I have achieved alot through kickboxing and muay thai, and i have probably learned more which has just become a normal way of life for me, but i believe that it is wrong to say that it doesn't teach how to defend yourself.

Maybe you should ask yourself "what do I want to get out of the sprot?"

BULLETS OPINION
BULLET

[ozkan_the_second]

i have started a bit of training in KB and MT and at first i only did it for self confidence and for some forms of self defence - against the school bully! the things i have been taught show me how not to be brutal against others but only to attack when being attacked. i live by a simple wing chun philosophy from a sifu at school - 'By learning how to fight, you learn how not to fight'

[BULLET]

I second that mate, thats a great response.

BULLET

[JANER]

What do I get from Kickboxing? A solid hard on! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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"Seriously, What the HELL did you expect?"

[Danielle]

thanx for that janer!!!!!!!!!!
i didnt mean to offend anybody for my question its just i have seen alot of kickboxing at the club that i train tkd at and i must say i have seen alot and alot of blood !!!!!!
i was surprised that not once had i seen defencive moves only attack so that is why i asked but thankyou for your replies

so kickboxing if you dont mind me asking but can you like grade from level to level or is it a 1 sort of thing??? im sorry i ask dumb questions i it just i dont really know alot or anything about the sport and it is something i am interestd about thanx dani

[lamb_chops]

There is alot of defence in muay thai some fights are somtimes just being defencive and not all attacking,it is such a diffrent defending to tkd because it is more harder and complicated because you have to defend 8 weapons. its all about defending and countering.i think you should watch a couple more fights dani and see how marvouless the defense is in muay thai. And to your question about is there gardding in muay thai,there is some clubs that just train fighters and some clubs train fighters and run fully gradded classes. In muay thai we use singlets instead of belts. In my opinion TKD is useless and i wouldent recomend it to noone. i think they have the worst defence.just my opinion.

[lamb_chops]

There is alot of defence in muay thai some fights are somtimes just being defencive and not all attacking,it is such a diffrent defending to tkd because it is more harder and complicated because you have to defend 8 weapons. its all about defending and countering.i think you should watch a couple more fights dani and see how marvouless the defense is in muay thai. And to your question about is there gardding in muay thai,there is some clubs that just train fighters and some clubs train fighters and run fully gradded classes. In muay thai we use singlets instead of belts. In my opinion TKD is useless and i wouldent recomend it to noone. i think they have the worst defence.just my opinion.

[paul c]

From an outsiders point of view,

I think TKD is beautiful to watch. Man I love watching the kicks.

But I reckon it's not for the hardcore that know they are going to be getting in a lot of scraps.

E.g, If I were a bouncer I think I'd be looking at a combo of Muay Thai and some sort of ground fighting.

I once watched a TKD black belt walk into Choc's gym in Wodonga. The guy was really impressive. His movement and balance was superb.............untill he hopped in the ring to spar. For the life of me, I just couldn't understand why he couldn't get the concept of holding his hands up high enough to protect his face. You could just tag this guy at will.

Anyway, he didn't stay long enough, which is a shame, cause I reckon he could have been a decent ring fighter. He had no problem kicking you wherever he wanted, and he wasn't scared to take a hit. Eventually he would have just lost the bad habits I reckon.



Edited by - paul c on 01 Jul 2003 21:45:17

[Don Damage]

Firstly when learning KB/MT the basic punchs kicks elbows must be trained over and over. So if you just walk into a club and have a quick look this may be all you see. What concerns me is you say you've seen alot of blood, from sparing I assume, but not being present to see it myself makes it hard to comment. If you sit and watch a few full classes or even do them yourself you should see the defence being tought. If you still don't you should look at training elswere.

[dutts72]

Hi Danielle

As someone who has competed and trained im Muay Thai Kickboxing Boxing and MMA for over 10 years you are living in dream land or the dream land of Tae Kwon do. What a boring emabarrsment it was watching that at the Olympic games- a joke!!! I only ever had to use the skills I have learnt twice in the street and they held up very well against drunk idiots, your fancy jumping spinning- flying turning kicks or whatever you do i dont think really teaches anything bar a false sense of security. Sorry but it been proven as such. I recommend you read a web site called the Belt is in the Ring.

PEACE<img src=icon_smile_kisses.gif border=0 align=middle>

AVD72

[krama]

Danielle - how are you
i rained in KB and a little MT at Fiztroy Stars under the former Dana Goodson - rarely saw any blood! - I think the place you are training at must have some crazy sadist running it - I'd say the techniques being applied are pretty crappy - the guys must have bad defence and probably bad form all round - its not healthy for a club to promote the bloody aspect of it
in terms of street warfare - a heap of my security friends simply state kicks are bull**** - they nearly always get pushed out of balance, get the kick caught by the aggressor then you're really stuffed,
good strong solid punches, knees and elbows, learn the basics - the bread and butter shots, hooks, uppercuts straight rights lefts, elbows - solid, powerful and effective, no fancy crap - you wiil find that the above nearly always win in the ring as well
if you have to use a kick - take out the knee/cap sections

[harls]

Danielle,
I trained in TKD for a short period of time when I was younger, but left when I saw the sparring. I felt the fancy relatively low powered kicks and almost non existent hand work made the Art useless outside the Dojo, so I left. Also some of their knife defences were also very dangerous- Kicking knives out of attackers hands and hoping not to get cut in the foot or sliced in a vital artery in the thigh(which would be fatal) says it all. All this aside though, it depends on what you want from a Martial Art. If you do value Self Defence, mental and physical strength and fitness or are looking to compete in the ring, Take up Muay Thai!!!

[CharlieA]

Danielle,

I have been training Muay Thai for a few years now. I have a long history of Martial Arts - I have tried almost everything.

Mostly what has led me to believe that Thai Boxing is the best form of self defence is the practical nature in which the techniques are tested. Most other martial arts are totally theory based.

I can remember the turning point for me was when I attended a Muay Thai event in Brisbane and saw Scotty Bannan (pre world title) in action. It occurred to me for the first time that for all of the belts and gradings that I had accomplished over the years, he (and any others on the card that night) would have belted the crap out of me on pure fitness and hardness alone - even without the awesome technique. After starting my MT training, it became evident very quickly how sadly lacking my defence was against any blow with real force behind it.

I now have a simple rule - don't learn any technique that you haven't seen tested in a full-contact situation.

If by 'self-defence' you mean the ability to not get hurt in a fight - I think that MT has most of the answers for you (yes, it doesn't have ground fighting). If you are thinking more along the lines of no-one getting hurt (submission holds etc) just look to the grappling stuff that gets tested in real situations (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu etc.)

Glad you show an interest,

Charlie2 (sorry to the other Charlie - I am just not that creative with my name)

PS. If you want to see a good display of defence - look at Sorren Monkongton fighting in the Super8 in Brisbane - he hardly gets tagged at all in 3 fights (against very worthy opponents)

[Slug]

quote: I have a long history of Martial Arts - I have tried almost everything.

Mostly what has led me to believe that Thai Boxing is the best form of self defence is the practical nature in which the techniques are tested. Most other martial arts are totally theory based.

CharlieA,

How can you say most other martial arts are totally theory based?! This would imply that 3,500 years of evolution in wushu (kung fu for layman’s) was wasted as nobody had used any of the techniques it preaches.

Just to let you know, history shows China as the most militaristic of all the nations around the world, this was a main reason for the invention of martial arts (which indecently is were all forms of martial arts originated from). Not one invader has ever succeeded in taking China and there have been endless attempts. How can you say that all of the fighting techniques (which you say are theoretical) have never been used?!

Dude I dare you to go to China and preach to them.......<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

[CharlieA]

Sorry Slug,

You are quite right - yes there is a long history behind the techniques and indeed probably everything good has come out of china.

Anyway, what I really meant to say was that most of the methods practiced in martial arts schools now are light on practical application and heavy on theoretical application - ie. 'let's assume that this would really work even with more force behind it' rather than 'let's go the biffo and see how it stacks up in practice'.

I didn't mean to imply that there was no basis behind the centuries of martial art development.

Cheers,

CharlieA

PS. What is the history behind the Chinese Burn?

[Don Damage]

Charlie A a woman i knew many years ago was in a shopping mall car park when a man attempted to snatch her hand bag. She ran after him and managed to catch him (she was a netball player at the time). She then aplied a chinese burn to the wrist untill he droped the bag. I still have trouble beleaving it to this day.

I think I might start the Don Damage school of Chinese burn.

[Danielle]

thats actually quite a funny story chinese burns do hurt alot lol
i know the one thing tkd is hard with is balance and i dont have it !!!!! but i know i havnt done many or none other forms of martial arts but i dont think i could leave tkd anyway its my life!!!