Scoring 9.5 for Rounds...

[KL]

Rob Murdoch explained to me on the weekend that in the ISKA, you can have half-points in the scoring. So a fight might be scored:

10 - 9.5
10 - 9
9.5 - 10

I've been a fan/participant for quite a while, and never realised this - in fact, it goes some way to explain decisions that I didn't understand at the time...

Mr Murdoch said the WKA also uses this scoring.

Anyway, just thought other people may not have known this. I also think it would be interesting if there was an article in IK that contrasted the different rules/scoring methodologies of the major sanctioning bodies...

[Issanwarrior]

i like it. some fights have very close rounds like that.

jwp vs maddog i would have scored 10-9.5 first 4 rounds to jwp

[flashlegs]

i think 9.5 scoring is stupid,the fighter either won the rd or they didn't.If it's that close make the rd a draw,how can u say one fighter did half a point more than the other,what did they land a toe to take the rd.

To me it seems more like an excuse for the judge to cover there arse,when a rd or fight should be a draw and they want there fighter 2 win.

A fight i heard about which took place on sat comes to mind and the final decision seemed very biased.

this is the final score,it was the same by all 3 judges and it appears 1 or more of the judges came from the gym of the winning fighter.

winner. rd1: 10 rd2: 10 rd3: 10 rd4: 10 rd5: 10

other. rd1: 10 rd2:9.5 rd3: 10 rd4:9.5 rd5: 10

I can not beleive that 3 judges can score a fight exactly like that,surely atleast 1 judge would have scored those rds 10/9,not all 3 judges 10/9.5.If the fight was that close then it should of been a draw,or was it a case of this fight should be a draw but we want this person to win,or maybe even worse.

This is my oppinion and i am entitled to it,biased judging takes place in all sport and we all know it and it especially happens in combat sports ie. boxing and muay thai.
It seems to be common place when fighters travel to other states 2 fight and i think it needs too stop,a fight should be judged on the merits of each fighter,not if u train with them or there your mates girlfriend or he or she are your favourite fighter.These 3 people the judges are taking on a very large responsibility and they are literilly taking peoples lives and futures in there hands.Fighters put everything into there training and put there lives on hold to do this sport they love and then too go and fight and lose just because you don't train at the right gym or come from the right state is just not on.Many a good fighter has just given up for these exact reasons.you might say thats weak minded too give up for losing but lose a few fights u really won and lets c how u feel.Every1 always quotes Dana white ''don't leave it in the judges hands'',if only it was that easy fighters would be better of,but when u have 2 really good fighters facing each other,it's not easy 2 get a knockout.

If people think i am out of order i am sorry just voicing my opinion and saying something i think needs 2 be addressed in our sport by the people at the top of all the associations,we need to look after the fighters they are the future of our sport.But don't just look after your fighter because without opponents there would be no fights.

[DazMon]

Yeah I got told about this rule when I judged on a NSW WKA show, interesting. Not sure if it could have covered my arse though???

[hunter02]

not a fan. If its close look at technique, stamina and strength to make a call

[Voice]

I think the full point scoring works just fine...you win convincingly, you lose convincingly or the round is drawn.
Do that for 5 rounds and you will generally get a winner but on perhaps 1 time out of 10 you get a draw.
Isn't that fair? Shouldn't some fights be awarded a draw as they are too close to call? Given each round is subjective by each judge you would feel pretty aggrieved if you lost a fight by 0.5 of a point.

Clearly the issue surrounds competent and accurate judging rather than the point system.

[Issanwarrior]

10 to 9.5 is like 100 to 95.

What's so hard to understand about that?

10 to 9 clear winner
10 to 9.5 slight winner
10 to 8 standing 8 count and dominate winner

makes sense

[Voice]

great...
so what if you knock me down but I beat you up for the rest of the round?
Is it 10/8, 9.5/8, 9/8 or 8.5/8?

Why reinvent the wheel, it works just fine if the judges have experience and aren't napping or chatting up the ring girls during the bout.

[BabyCube]

What if he knocks you down and you beat him for the round anyway.
2 examples come to mine: I was at a fight night in brisbane and one of the bouts was 3x3 min rounds and the blue fighter totally dominated his opponent from round 1-3 with the exeption of a very flash knockdown recieved by a jab wich many believe was even a slip. The fight was awarded a draw.

Example 2 is another promotion where another fighter got dominated with the exeption of giving his opponent a flash knockdown with a headkick but the fighter who got knocked down was awarded the win (this fight was also 3 rounds).

I just think there should be some consistancy or some firm rule for these instances.

[Voice]

what you are saying has less to do with the point system but rather bad judging.
On your first example (if what you said is true), the judges would score 2 rounds of 10-9 (or even 10-8 if totally dominated) and a round of 8-10 or 8-9.

I will agree with you though that on a K-1 or other 3-round bout there is more a case for 1/2 points than 5-round MT bouts, but remember that K-1 always employs 1 or 2 extension rounds. Therefore if a promoter is hosting many 3 round fights he risks draws more often unless there are extensions.

[Hellfighter]

wow Voice, you'll be taking over dekker's job soon

[flashlegs]

i agree with voice it is clearly an issue of competant and accurate judging not the point system.but if it is that close make it a draw don't have some1 lose by a half point.

Also as hunter02 said if it is close look at technique,stamina and strength 2 make a decision,who looks like they could continue and which fighter is done,all these should be considered when coming 2 a decision.

[DazMon]

great...
so what if you knock me down but I beat you up for the rest of the round?
Is it 10/8, 9.5/8, 9/8 or 8.5/8?


None of the above, you'd recover the score back to 10/9 in their favour.

[BabyCube]

So which judges were competent? The one's who followed the scoring system and awarded the draw, or the ones who gave the win to the obvious winner?

[Hellfighter]

you'll have to wait to see the fight, junior

[dekker]

I have learned a long time ago do not give drawn rounds, a fighter must win the round after all its a fight not a tennis match, and i have judged a lot of fights and been involved with many more over the years ! judging a fight is harder than it looks in the stands or on tv i assure you !

[Voice]

It seems from the years of discussion on the forum about judging it still remains highly subjective even when the 'rules' appear clear. How some people award aggression and others don't, Dekker's comments above about drawn rounds etc. And then of course there might be judges from one style who let those rules creep in on their judging of another style (eg. a person who judges mainly kickboxing bouts might subconsciously award aggressive boxing techniques over other MT techniques when they in fact rank lowest).

Football referees have it easy...very little scope for interpretaion of the rules in all the codes.

[BabyCube]

LOL, sorry to disagree voice but football referee's have it the worste. [I am talking 'soccer' though]
Even when they make the right decisions people will yell, scream and abuse them [they would crucify them if they could].
With the exeption of this forum I rarely ever see a crowd boo a referee in combat sports.

[Hellfighter]

stay over there long enough, junior, and you'll see a ref escorted out of the ring by police

[Voice]

lol, BC...you wouldn't be an English PL linesman for quids. Those guys cop shillings in the head from the angry and aggrieved fans...

[BabyCube]

No Voice I'm more like Eric Cantona with fans like that haha.

[Voice]

ah yes, my fav football moment ever. Love the look on the faces of the other Crystal Palace fans...
http://www.jimjagger.com/Sites/EricCantona/Media/Kick/Cantona_18.jpg

[greenm16]

No Voice I'm more like Eric Cantona with fans like that haha.

that famous night, what a typical scum bag, and couldnt of happend to a nicer club than manchester utd....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-WmfTIRUWY&feature=related

cant wait to see sanchai play.......lol

[BabyCube]

I should change my username to...threadkiller hahaha

[dekker]

Manchester United GREATEST CLUB IN THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cantona LEGEND!!

[Voice]

That was gold. Perfect balance considering he was in football boots. That incident showed past hatreds from two countries were well forgotten the way Schmeichel was about to take over the offensive from his ousted brother.
A defining moment for neo-relations between England, France and Germany...

[Mchenry]

I was not aware that scoring fights in Australia by the half point system was in place. I have heard it has been a big success in parts of England in Kick Boxing and non title boxing fights. In real close fights it dosnt matter what scoring method is in place some one will say they have been robbed , just depends who your barracking for or got your money on. Also with the half point system in a close round you can still have fights go the wrong way its just that it only goes wrong by half a point. In saying that I think this would be a major step in the right direction.
Having the identical scoring system as professional boxing for a 3 or 5 round Mauy Thai fight isnt really the best option . Even in boxing they realised this 10 years ago and sc****d the ten point must system from the amateurs , not that I think the computer system in use is fantastic either.
Using half points would allow judges to score bouts in a way that accurately reflects the difference between the combatants in that round. As mentioned by a judge [ DEKKER] you try not to score even rounds . It is a unwritten directive from most sporting associtions to avoid 10-10 scores at all costs , other wise you end up with five draws on a ten fight program , with the whole crowd yelling bull****. You might as well have one fighter win, all be it by the slimmest of margins and only have half the crowd yelling at you .
I will give a brief run down of a 5 round mauy thai fight I judged earlier this year and it will be apparent in the advantages of the half point system if it had of been in place, being the result would of gone to one of the fighters .
Because its a pro fight I will not use the names of the two involved and you will know that my score card is picked up at the end of every round .
ROUND ONE ! Red corner wins round by slight margin makes blue corner miss and scores some nice counters. Actual score 10-9 red . ( 10-9.5)
ROUND TWO ! Red corner picks up where he left of and continues to land some shots and make blue corner miss ,still not a real lot of action. Actual score 10-9 . (10-9.5)
ROUND THREE ! Blue corner comes out with a fire cracker in his ass and fairly gives it to Red corner . No eight count and red was still having a go till the end of the round . Actual score 10-9 blue (10-9)
ROUND FOUR ! Blue corner comes out opens a can of WHOOP ASS and dumps the lot on reds head , still no eight count and red is still having a crack thru out the round. Actual score 10 -9 blue (10-9) . I will score a 10-8 round proberbly more often then most judges in a round where there is no eight count. But this round did not warrant it.
ROUND FIVE ! Red corner comes out stands his ground and starts to land some shots as if the last two rounds never happened , then blue corner says hold on and starts to get on top they are both fairly even on shots landed for the round when they both start missing and the bell rings . Actual score 10-10 (10-10)
Last round was so close that one judge gave that round to red , one judge to blue and I gave it even . ( I know fence sitters get splinters on both sides of there ass) But thats how I seen it.
All three judges scored first four rounds identical so with last round the way it went to the score cards it was a split draw.
Now my score card was 48-48 under ten point must system , with half point system 48-49 Blue . Judge 2 score card 48-47 Blue and 49-47 Blue . Judge 3 score card 48-47 red , with half point system 48.5-48 Blue .
With half point system it would of been unanimous BLUE which would of been the correct decision in my opinion. Not a split draw.
Some will proberbly say if you had of scored the first two rounds even then the result would also have gone the right way. But you never know whats installed for the next three rounds so you can only score each round as you see it .

[promoboss]

After years of fighting and judging & refereeing hundreds of fights the best you can do for yourself is to go and do a ref'n'judges courseand learn what is expected of you as a judge & referee. As we all have our own opinion of who wins a fight through personal bias.
I personally don't agree with the .5 point rule but I cant speak on behalf of other sanctions but just give my own opinion.
So all you armchair judges get off your butts & do a course even if you never use it only to educate yourself and your friends on what's expected for a fighter to win a fight.
So if your interested contact your local sanctioning body to find out when they are running a course in your local area.

[daniel_kmt]

Manchester United GREATEST CLUB IN THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cantona LEGEND!!

LIVERPOOL FC FOR LIFE!

YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONE

[Hellfighter]

go the BRONCOS!!!!

[Voice]

LMAO about that little break-in from one of those light-fingered Wallabies on the GC. Strange stuff goes on up north...
I know, don't believe everything you read...yada yada yada.