WMC Promotes KickboxingNSW!

[Lucy Tui]

Well it was interesting to see all WMC fighters fighting kickboxing on JNI show..heard it was a good night Congradulations to JNI for still getting the fights on with all the controversy week before show....
Regards
Lucy Tui
NSW rules in Kickboxing.....

[sniffa]

Lucy do u plan on sending that video tape i sent u back to me ??
from the amir/tui le-montage 2 months ago

[Lucy Tui]

No worries Ian would have brought if had gone to show lastnight but had a 21st to go too..would have come to show if Shane had of fought but will send it to you in the post...
Regards
Lucy Tui

[Wongie]

Lucy, is your statement title a pat on the back for JNI for doing what is right for all the fighters who trained hard for the show as well as for his own financial risks???

As a promoter you should know how much effort it takes to put a show together and for it to be closed down a week before is just not fair for all the fighters and the promoter since the amount of money invested is just too much to write off. I just want people out there to know that JNI and the WMC had no other choice due to the time constraints but to get the show on the road with a change in rules. I think it is just a logical thing to do or else one would be cutting their own throat. No the WMC does not sanction Kickboxing but in this case we have no other alternatives.

One World One Muaythai

Muaythai is not Kickboxing.

[cyb5]

Im with you on this Alan...

[Lucy Tui]

It is going to be very interesting to see the result...if the NSW Boxing & NSW Dept of Sport, allowed Muay Thai to be promoted without shin guards,chest protectors,headgear..I would promote it tomorrow.....I hope you guys out there understand my situation
in this sport as well...This is about the SPORT whether it be MUAYTHAI or KICKBOXING...I have a invested interest to where it is going as well,does my opinion not stand because I do not promote it on shows.. I have put thousands of dollars into the sport over the years and supported alot of people here and overseas ...Because I have chosen to do a different way to JNI
does that make me not supporting MUAY THAI....(I think not)
Regards
Lucy Tui:)

[sniffa]

No Probs lucy,,,just thought u had forgoten me <img src=icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle>

And i think john did a great job regardless and good to see the promotors looking out for fighters ,,not just there pocket $$

[duncan]

sowho tipped off the authorities????? If people know let them post cause thats a low act. Otherwise ALL nsw promoters are suspects because of their jealousy of what wmc and jni are diong for the sport and more likely taking $$$ out of there pockets

[tylerdurden]

Duncan, u got it right, all the backstabbing in NSW is disgusting. There all hanging back and feeding like sharks. Lucy brought up a good point "It is going to be very interesting to see the result...if the NSW Boxing & NSW Dept of Sport, allowed Muay Thai to be promoted without shin guards,chest protectors,headgear..I would promote it tomorrow....." so if JNI wins will all those sharks be able to Promote Muay Thai while they we against him in his fight with the dept. .Well i hope he wins and he only he gets the benefits of putting his ass on the line, while everybody else remembers what the others tried to do.

PS Sharks are those who tried to f@#k things up not saying Lucy is the Shark.

[Wongie]

After all the hard work and fight I think only the WMC should be allowed to sanction Muaythai events in NSW and JNI being the prime mover in this should be given the first option to do so. There are always going to be people jumping on the band wagon after the fight is over but they are nowhere to be seen when the shots are fired. Sharks!!!! maybe but I have my opinion of them.

[paul c]

With all due respects, I think that's a bit unrealistic Allen. I know you guys are taking some risks, but I'm sure others have tried to get Muay Thai to happen for years. And regardless of WMC or not, I'd bet that John's tried in the past before his link to WMC.

Sort of like microsoft feeling that they are the only people that should be allowed to build windows software.

[J.N.I]

Hi Paul
Just let me tell you this, I have not tried in the past to get Muay Thai happening here the reason being the restriction from the Government with the pads. I mean they have to where pads everywhere. Now I am not having a go at the guys that wear pads but how many of them is there? I'll tell you, not bloody many.So what happens when you have a state Muay Thai champion here that has had a dozen fights that fights a Queenslander (God forbid) there,a very uneven match up.
Like you and most other fight fans I look and listen to what is going on in our industry (the fight game)and I am sure you will agree that the sport of Muay Thai is growing at a very steady pace.
The WMC that I have worked very closely with now has really gone out of there way to make things happen.I think what Allen is saying, people should be rewarded for there efforts and I'll say this to you that I have had no support from any other promoter which is fine it doesn't bother me either way.Other promoter's themselves have said to me that they will do a WMC show, but will wait and see what happens to me. So Paul it's a little like this I'm trying to climb this mountain first.

John Ioannou

[paul c]

I'm sure you're getting good support from the WMC John.
But I'm imagining - as I know no better - that it's your head on the chopping block as your are the promoter and the one taking the risks. So I give you full credit and grateful to you and the WMC for your efforts.

We all know what's going to happen once you guys get permission. Other promoters will hold shows of their own. Some will no doubt be with the WMC, and some won't. Again, I agree that you guys should reap the rewards, but the rewards will have to come - and I'm sure they will - through the quality and the popularity of your shows. Muay Thai belongs to no one guys.

Best of luck John. I'm genuine with my well wishes towards you guys.

[Lucy Tui]

Hi Guys,
We all have our opinions about Muay Thai and it was the same with kickboxing when it started here everyone went to WKA because that was the only sanctioning body in NSW at the time now we have WMC been the only Muay Thai sanctioning body in NSW all I can say is support the sport no matter what body it is for it comes down to which fighter is fighting who??? where the creditability comes from....
all I can say is this I have now started teaching Muay Thai at a Auburn gym and cannot wait to promote it.....
Regards
Lucy Tui

[J.N.I]

Hi Paul
Your statement "Muay Thai belongs to no one" I couldn't disagree with you more.We all know it belongs to Thailand and it's people so why not the WMC a Thai sanctioning Body controlling it, and they do world wide.It's funny because Thailand is known for it's wide range of copy products etc,watches and clothing. This time the other sanctioning bodies are copying their product.
Just my say.

John Ioannou

[paul c]

Sorry John,

I dissagree,

Muay Thai is the Thai national sport and I can understand them being proud of it. But, no one intitiution has or should have any rights over it.

Think about it, does anyone at all deserve to control Soccer or Boxing. These sports started of in other countries and are now enjoyed the world over.

In N.S.W you have Rugby League. Even though the 'First Grade' teams are controlled by a governing body of sorts, the game is still enjoyed by non first grade teams thoughout several states. And the NRL or whomever don't have a say. It's even gained popularity so much that I recently was reading about a Rugby League comp that was started in Russia.

[J.N.I]

Well Paul you and I agree to disagree.
How about Bulgaria controlling Aussie rules LOL.
Have a nice day.

John Ioannou

[paul c]

Them controlling it wouldn't be on. On anyone controlling it in it's entirity.

But I don't think there would be anything wrong with them having their own comp.



Edited by - paul c on 25 Jun 2003 17:51:49

[Wongie]

Paul C....I see your point. However the WMC was formed to promote the sport and to ensure it is praticed correctly and traditions followed. The WMC is not a sanctioning body as such but a body like the World Tae Kwon Do Federation. Its main purpose is to ensure the rules are followed and the officials and trainers are properly certified. Now if something bad happens in a fight sanctioned by some other body who do you think will get the blame.....THE MUAYTHAI FIGHTERS OR THE THAIBOXERS. Ultimately the sport itself will get the blame. Sure something bad can also happen in a WMC show but we know that we have done all we can to avoid something like that.

Why do you think it is so hard for Kickboxing and Muaythai to get recognition from the ASC. Because there are so many sanctioning bodies out there. Why do you think the media is not interested in our sport or our champions???? Because there are some many sanctioning bodies out there. How many World Champions do we have in the same weight divisions????? We have the WKA, ISKA, IKBF, WKBF, IKBO, IKF and many more. Try applying for membership with the ASC and they'll laugh at you because we have some many bodies representing the sport. Who controls Soccer in Australia? Who controls Rugby Union? Who controls Rugby League? What about Swimming or Track and Field? I don't see Soccer Australia and Soccer Australia II and Australian Soccer and Australian Soccer Mark II. Why do you think all these sports get government funding? Because they are represented by ONE BODY AND ONE BODY ONLY.

In France the Muaythai Federation gets funding from the government and so does Savate and Kickboxing. Why? Because they are only represented by one body respectively.

The only people who don't see my point will only be those out to make money. Do you know how much the Oceania Muaythai Federation (WMC) charges for a state title, National Title, Regional Title, World Title and so on....very little, you can check that in our website. Ask the other sanctioning bodies what they charge? Who owns the WKA or the ISKA or the WKBF or the IKF? Nobody owns the WMC because the WMC is formed by the Thai Government to control the sport.

I am babbling too much but I do hope you get my point

[Wongie]

PS....In my last post, about the sanctioning fees, I am not implying that the other bodies are out to make money. I was trying to say that the WMC is there to look after the sport and hence charges very little in terms of sanctioning fees. These fees are for administration purposes as we do have a whole lot of people working in the WMC office in Thailand. So please don't be offended by my statement.

And I also overlooked that the body looking after Muaythai in Australia is the Oceania Muaythai Federation. Our president is Mr. John Cockburn who runs the Federation from his office in Brisbane. Our intention is to gain recognition as a sport in Australia. The only way we can do it is to have one body representing the sport.

Its too bloody late and I am still babbling on too much. Soon I'll sound like a bloody idiot.

[paul c]

You guys have good arguements, and I respect your good intentions. But, I personally still don't accept that giving power to the one Org is a good thing, or that it's necessary. We live in a democracy, one that usually encourages competition.

Muay Thai is some what different to track and field. It's an openly pro sport practiced the world over, and it's competitors or atheletes should be allowed to fight for the most prestigious and highest paying promoters. I don't see how that would be possible with only the one Organisation having the power to decide which promoter shall be given rights to promote Muay Thai.

Too many sanctioning bodies. Yes.
But the ones with no credibility will fall by the wayside sooner or later.

So, now if by some chance you guys get special permission to hold WMC sanctioned events in N.S.W and no other promoter is allowed......what would be the next step?
What good will it do for anyone if any promoter in Vic, South Aus or Queensland can promote Muay Thai?

You see, I feel that you guys need to earn the reputation as the no 1 authority, and in turn attract the best fighters and best promoters, rather than legally preventing others from competing with you.

Doing it that way would make me respect your titles a whole lot more.

Sorry I'm so left wing on this. I just remember phone prices when Telstra was my only option.

Please don't get me wrong here. I'm not at all against such a body having ambitions of being the number one authority on the sport. Sort of like the World cup of Soccer. But consider the consequences for a second if no one were allowed to compete with you. Imagine the potential for corruption alone.

And, O.K, all your officals are supremelly trained. Should there be a law preventing someone even more skilled than you with even higher ambitions?

I just can't see this as a good thing sorry guys. But, I'm not on any sort of crusade so I will now stop writting on the evils of monopoly.


Edited by - paul c on 26 Jun 2003 01:39:58

[Lucy Tui]

The only reason I moved with WKBF is because of just that Paul,
and I do not own my own home or anything to show for that the sport has given me financially, we to charge minium sanctioning fees and are growing at a steady pace, my fighters will fight with any sanctioning body and that to me is the importance of a fighter let him be champion in every sanctioning body ...
The reason there are so many out there is because some people think there is money to be made some people do not get along with each other, but as a sanctioning body here in Australia we have put money back into the sport by sending fighters to Europe, NZ, America, Japan as rewards to been part of our body...
spent money on overseas fighters worldwide, as you know Alan I have even negotiated good purses for your fighter to fight on our WKBF shows because he was unable to get fights in the past....
Now because I am not supporting WMC does that make me not doing the right thing by the sport...(promoting Muay Thai)
Until people can get along with each other the sport will never unite as one...for you will have good and bad in all bodies...
Going back to my last post I am doing the right thing by the LAWS OF OUR STATE now if I am been crucified for doing that.....(you guys are not been fair) ......
Regards
Lucy Tui

[Wongie]

Unfortunately Paul, what i wrote is not an argument. It is the facts of what is happening here and other countries. The OMF (WMC) is working very hard to have our sport recognise by the relevant Authorities in Australia. It is terribly difficult for us to do that if we cannot show them we are united under one body. I am not saying that it has to be the OMF but my question to you is who else is doing it. I know for a fact that John Cockburn is working very hard to get the recognition, plus he is doing it as an unpaid individual like all of the rest of the members of the Executive Board of the OMF. I know that all of us, the coaches, competitors and officials for the Australian Team to the World Cup or the Kings Cup has to finance our own way to these Championships. Imagine if we can get Government fundind. Then at least the competitors do not need to worry about raising funds privately to attend these championships.

As you can see, what we are doing here is not for the sake of profit but for the Sport itself. It is not about giving power to one sanctioning body, it is about promoting the sport with the traditions that goes along with it. And Paul you should visit the WMC website and find out how many member countries we have (over 100). You should also find out what countries and how many accept Muaythai as a sport under the WMC. Earning a reputation, I think we have done that around the world. As for corruption maybe we better look at the controlling bodies of other sports like Cricket or maybe Rugby!!! I thought all legitimate controlling bodies have a "CODE OF CONDUCT" and we run by it. I know the WMC has, what about the others???

If we continue down the track as it is now, our sport will stay in the fringes for the rest of eternity.

I agree with what Lucy is saying, we must all work together. However we cannot work together under multiple representations. We are not in the business of preventing other promoters from promoting Muaythai under the WMC. Where the hell did you get that idea from? All we want is to have the OMF (WMC) controlling the sport. Lucy is welcome to promote Muaythai fights under the OMF (WMC) so is Joe Bloggs down the road, provided they follow all the regulations laid down by the WMC. I am sure if a legitimate body finds out that one of their promoters is doing something illegal or unprofessional, the body will have something to say about that. We in the WMC will certainly do the same. I am sure if JNI wants to promote a Kickboxing show he will see the representatives of the sanctioning body concern.

By the way Lucy thanks for negotiating the purse for Slowinski. Weren't you contracted (employed) by the promoter to do the ground work for him? I thought I was negotiating with you because you were acting on behalf of the promoter. Sorry if I misunderstood. I don't remember saying he can't get any fights so we put him in your WKBF shows. I remember you contacting me to put Paul in the KB4 contest and I told you that I am happy to do that but the KB4 fell through and the promoter was going to pay him some figure to fight in a single bout which I was not happy with. Which is why I negotiated with you. As for the purse, did the WKBF pay him or did the promoter of the show pay him, I am confused. But on the other hand what has this got to do with what we are talking about here. This is a business arrangement between a professional fighter and the promoter. It has nothing to do with the sanctioning bodies or controlling bodies. Bringing this up only confuses the issue.

PS....Lucy, I am interested to know which fighters did the sanctioning body you are talking about, help financially to go compete in Europe, Japan, NZ, America. This is great, because the WMC cannot afford to financially support their fighters travelling. I must bring that up with the WMC in our next World Meeting. This will mean my fighters can fight more outside SA as most promoters cannot afford the expenses. In my experience, the promoters not the sanctioning bodies pay for the travel, accommodation and food expenses.

[Lucy Tui]

Hi Alan,

You were correct in saying you renegotiated because it was meant to be a KB4 event, my point is that we as a sanctioning body have done the right thing by trainers and fighters and promoters and we are looking forward to working with other promoters whether it be Muay Thai or kickboxing...It is good to see there is one unbrella world wide to try and get this event in the Olympics etc and government funding...
We toured Greece in 1999 with fighters who were sent over through our organisation and were funded by the WKBF Australia we came back with 1 World Title & 1 Intercontinetal Title
we were there for 2 weeks it was a fantastic trip and experience for the boys, we have also gone to America to tour not to fight
and have taken fighters also to see the K1 Grandprix and we have also taken fighters to shows in NZ paid by our organisation
for supporting us ...We try to do the best for the people who support us as a sanctioning body....
We will support WMC promoters with fighters in the future once everything has been sorted out here in NSW..
Some of those promoters who want to do promotions for WMC have been big supporters of our sanctioning body....
Regards
Lucy Tui

[paul c]

Guys, I guess because I don't follow Muay Thai as closely as I do Kickboxing and K-1, I'm a bit in the dark here as where many of the other promoters Australia wide stand. I mean, are they all with the WMC?

I would so much love to read some comments by the Queenslanders whom are heavily involved in the sports promotion. Just to see what their views are, and how they would feel if they were denied access to future Muay Thai promotion.

I think it's commendable that WMC has spread to 100 countries without the 'You're not allowed to promote without us rule". Why start now and risk a possible backlash by people who might feel you're using fascist tactics to simply protect your own interests.

And I honestly don't know that I would give the WMC my support either (sometimes I as others, tend to want to rebel simply on principle alone when someone tells me we're not allowed to do this). Just as you guys now are rebelling against the N.S.W authorities. But, I don't know enough about the WMC yet.

But I have to tell you, what I have read here is frightening to me. You can get all that which you are seeking, without the 'I'm going to try and stop you' attitude, and law in place. I highly doubt that you guys will legally be able to stop other promoters.......I just can't see what grounds you have to claim that you should be sole judge of all Muay Thai. So what if you are based in Thailand. Can't another better org out of Thailand come along one day. And, what if the Thai management becomes useless. Who do we turn to?

Even if you were a totally non profit org solely funded by the Thai ministry of sport, I can't see what authority that would give you in Australia to say that Lucy, Paul Grima, Richard Bradford, Murdoch and all the others shouldn't be allowed to promote a Thai National sport. All they would have to do is slightly modify the rules and call it Shootboxing without throws or chokes and refer to your legal prescedent, and ask why they too can't have the same rights as yourselves. Doing this wouldn't make Muay Thai grow in my oppinion, but splinter it off in even more directions. You see, in Australia, no one is above the law, but at the same time, no one is denied it's protection or denied to endevour in what the law says is allowed. In theory at least.

Again, gain all ou aspire with your quality, and not simply because you might be able to threaten someone legally. I don't think that will gain you any credibility over another body trying to do the same as you.

Here you guys are questioning the politics and sly dealings of other promoters, but your openly telling them it's your very wish to be able to surpress them the rights that you yourself want. Are you surprised then that some may want to go against you and perhaps point the finger at you and say "How come they can do it and I cant?"


Edited by - paul c on 27 Jun 2003 00:21:25

[Wongie]

Paul, what are you talking about? Where did you read what you wrote? I have no idea what you are on about. I don't think you understand what I have been talking about so it is pointless for me to continue with this. You have ignored most of what I said and added things that I have not even mentioned. If someone wants to promote some form of Kickboxing that looks like Muaythai and call it something else, that is their right. I can't see us stopping someone promoting "Thaiboxing" or whatever they like to call it. And you are right, it will further splinter the sport.

I will give it one last try Paul and after this I will shut up and let you guys write all you like.

THE AIM OF THE OMF (WMC) IS TO GET THE RECOGNITION FROM THE ASC THAT MUAYTHAI IS A SPORT AND THE ONLY WAY WE CAN DO IT IS BY HAVING ONE BODY REPRESENTING MUAYTHAI.

If you still can't see the point then I am wasting my time and that is all from me regarding this topic.

[paul c]

Wongie wrote

"After all the hard work and fight I think only the WMC should be allowed to sanction Muaythai events in NSW and JNI being the prime mover in this should be given the first option to do so. There are always going to be people jumping on the band wagon after the fight is over but they are nowhere to be seen when the shots are fired. Sharks!!!! maybe but I have my opinion of them."

I don't understand Allen.
Didn't you say the above.

I'd interpreted this in the above as you guys (the WMC) feel that no other sanctioning body should be allowed to promote Muay Thai fights in N.S.W.
So, further I interpreted that as meaning that you also feel that unless a promoter was with the WMC, you also don't feel that he should be allowed to promote Muay Thai. A lot has been spoken about the legalities, I was thinking that maybe you guys feel that you should be the only ones allowed legally, as is Kyokushin Karate allowed to practice it's sport legally without interference.
In another post (I think it was in the WMC statement thread) it said, as I understood it, that you felt that becuase Muay Thai was a traditional martial art, that you feel it should be legally allowed in N.S.W without the N.S.W boxing board's interference, as Kyokushin Karate can be practised legally. And I totally agree with you here. I think that is a great and reasonable arguement.
You guys sound like you have some decent legal clout, so, what concerns me is, that the courts might recognize the WMC as being Muay Thai. And that it may give the WMC the power to say that only that which is sacnctioned by us is Muay Thai. Anything else by another Sanctioning body is not Muay Thai. In effect, anything else being sanctioned by say the WKBF for arguements sake, but under identical rules, is Thai Boxing, and therefore falls under the control of the boxing board, and is therfore an illegal sport in N.S.W.

Allan, I'd interpreted 'Allowed' as in your opinion legally,


Also then John wrote,

"Hi Paul
Your statement "Muay Thai belongs to no one" I couldn't disagree with you more.We all know it belongs to Thailand and it's people so why not the WMC a Thai sanctioning Body controlling it, and they do world wide.It's funny because Thailand is known for it's wide range of copy products etc,watches and clothing. This time the other sanctioning bodies are copying their product.
Just my say."

I also understood this comment to to be saying that you guys (the WMC) feel that the Thai government on behalf of the Thai people, owns Muay Thai. Basically the Trade Mark.
And that because you guys are (I don't have a word for this) funded, sponsored maybe, by the government of Thailand, that you should then be the global authority of Muay Thai. Look, in theory I agree with this principle. But John also brought up the fact that Thailand isn't a great one to be pointing the finger and sayinig 'Hey, that's our sport, it belongs to us' when they don't seem to be doing enough to respect Trade Marks and things copyrighted in other nations. Plus I can't think of a single country that would expect the same of a sport that originated from their soil.

So, I think a body like the WMC can be a great thing, but I was just concerned that you guys want to be the only legit authority of Muay Thai. In that case I would feel that it's too open for corruption. Competition is always good, that way your competitor can point out each others faults.

Now please if I have missunderstood. I'd love for you to educate us. Because I honestly am interested and am always looking to learn.
Plus I think you'd be doing the WMC a great service by explaining to us in detail your mission statement.

And also if I've missunderstood I apologize.
I never mean to offend. My communication skills are poor and most times I'm writting my thesis while surfing at the same time, so I sometimes come of as being antagonistic, where in reality it's furthest from my intentions.


Edited by - paul c on 27 Jun 2003 04:25:56

[paul c]

My absolute last say on this subject.

Only because I don't want to be appearing as someone who is out to try and annoy John and Alan.

I have genuinely enjoyed the conversation, sort of as an extension of our usual 'too many sanctioning body' threads that have emerged Numerous times.

If there is any confusion towards the end between us conversing, I suggest re-reading the entire thread and you'll see where both sides of the arguement have their pro's and cons. Well, in my oppinion at least.



Edited by - paul c on 27 Jun 2003 04:04:02

[Dynamite Drew]

Hello people

Everyone here seems to have a point of view but have any of you actually thought about from a figher's point of view ?

As a former fighter , kickboxing in NSW , muay thai interstate and internationally , on ISKA , WKA , WKBF AND WMTC shows , i would like to offer my point of view .

1. I think JNI should be applauded for having the balls to try and get muay thai fights happening in NSW with the support of a sanctioning body . Unfortunately , too many others are glory hunters and cant stand the fact that JNI could be the 1st to promote muay thai in NSW and instead of supporting him ( officially or unofficially ) , you tried to sabotage his efforts and deny the NSW fighters the opportunity to fight muay thai in their home state.

If he had succeeded , then others could have the opportunity to promote muay thai in NSW and a lot of fighters would be very happy but , besides the governmet , because of a few jealous people , its not happening.

2. Stop thinking about yourself and about the ones that make the shows possible -- THE FIGHTERS

3. For those that wish to critise Lucy Tui , i say SHUT THE HELL UP AND BACK OFF !!! .Did you consider that due to her position in WKBF she cant publicly or officially support JNI ? Lucy is a great person , always thinks of the fighters and has given me much support regardless of who's and which sanctioning body show i fought on . For that Lucy ,i would like to say THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I know alot of past and present fighters have received support from Lucy and are grateful for it .

The main point i am trying to get across is :
STOP THINKING ABOUT YOURSELF AND THINK OF THE FIGHTERS

cheers
Drew

We who are truely brave will never live in fear!

Edited by - Dynamite Drew on 27 Jun 2003 14:50:33

Edited by - Dynamite Drew on 27 Jun 2003 14:52:12

[Wongie]

Mr. Drew, I don't know you from a bar of soap so I do take a bit of offence to what you are saying....Believe me I look out for the fighters particularly mine. You can always ask any of my fighters and they will tell you the same. If you think that I am only thinking about myself then you must be reading some other posts. I am certainly not just thinking about myself, but I won't tell you that I don't own my house, I do because I work bloody hard for it. I have a real job too.

Just to get a bit of sympathy from the readers here, I have taken $400 out of my fighters purse over the last 10 years. Paul Slowinski alone earned over $20,000 in the last 18 months and I have only taken $200 off him and that is for expenses I have incurred. Why you may ask!!! Because I know this is his job and $20,000 is not very much for a pro fighter over 18 months.

Maybe you don't see my point, this is not about me or John or the WMC, this is about getting the sport recognise in this country of ours. Now if some other organisation wants to do it and has put a lot of effort into it, they will get 100% support from me. The fact is no other org. is doing it except for the WMC. If we don't fight hard then NSW Muaythai fighters will need to leave their state to fight. I hope this will really be the last time I have to write on this subject.

Have a wonderful day Mr. Drew and maybe we'll meet one day.

One World One Muaythai

[Dynamite Drew]

hey wongie

i didnt name you or anyone else for that matter , as you say , we dont know each other from a bar of soap.

i just mentioned that "others" , not names , not all , just others


cheers
Drew

We who are truely brave will never live in fear!

[Lucy Tui]

Hi Drew, well it has been along time hope you and your wife are well,Thankyou for your support I really appreciate it..
It is ashame that we seem to be misunderstanding each other on this thread..Alan with his support with WMC, JNI show in which he thought someone sabotaged his show when you look at it he did it himself...then myself letting everyone know that WMC promoted a kickboxing show to Alan's discuss of my headline.. in which I should have put what Alan said ....and Paul giving his views on the sport in general...
I just really hope that with WMC efforts that the sport will thrive to
go forward instead of backwards...
Peace to you all and lets move on...
Thanks for all your input, I hope we as adults do not take this personally for we will be probably seeing each other in the near future on shows and hope that we are able to still talk with each other...
Alan GOODLUCK WITH PAUL AT THE K1 OCEANIA, PLEASE GIVE HIM MY BEST WISHES...For he is a great fighter and person...hope to see you there..
Drew all the best and keep us informed with want is happening in Japan...
Regards
Lucy Tui

[duncan]

Dear Lucy I wish I had $1 for every time you have had to write that you have been misunderstood on this and other boards......you are without a doubt one of this sports more colourful characters.........throwing grenades, running, changing sides, being misunderstood. You make these types of topics entertaining. Lucky for me I am just an observer who is not involved.

[J.N.I]

Lucy, I sabotaged my own show, WHY??????????????????????????????

John Ioannou